MaxInDHouse:
So you can see that what you're fabricating can't be found in God's word.
Adam was alive but he never lived up to 1,000 years which is the equivalent of a day before God {2Peter 3:8} he died before the next day at the age 930 years! Genesis 5:5

Take it or leave it the phrase SPIRITUAL DEATH is not written anywhere in the Bible!

.Congrat on your appointment, bro.

Janosky:


John W FRAUD, you have multiplied your GIBBERISH

You MUST tell this forum where & when Adam confessed his repentance to you or your 3 dogheads idols

Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool




mumu brain fraud jw janosky

i'm not telling the forum, i'm telling you false jw
and pointing out some of your lies and confusion which you have no come back on

you just come back all the time with changed topic and more confusion and lies, and chronic nonsense as that above


1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.




you cannot honestly reply to any of the things i showed you to be wrong on
but then you are a scardy cat false jw

Rev_21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.


and truly so pathetic janosky, one doesn't have to stay spiritually dead

and who do you think raised able and seth to be God fearing,
of course cain went the way of satan, as you false jw's do

MaxInDHouse:
We direct everyone to the same source of sound teaching: Governing Body
JEHOVAH chose Jesus and Jesus chose the GB that's just the arrangement but if you feel it's not so then go and pitch your tent anywhere else let people see the good works of your church, that's what Jesus said! Matthew 5:13-16
But it's obvious you have no direction so keep working on your hatred for the good works of God's Holy Spirit those who have ears will listen no matter what you think, say or do!

perverted false jw sex mad max

you direct people to your governing body
christians direct people to Christ through God's word


you clearly don't know the Holy Spirit
you call Him a thing, a it, a active force

this is why the spirit of satan can easily fool you into believing him(satan)
false prophecies, continual lying, puffed up pride, etc. etc. etc.

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Mat_7:15  Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Mat_23:15  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

chatinent:

.Congrat on your appointment, bro.

yes false jw mad max is working his way up in the house of satan
leaving all you other devils for dead

he can't find the exact wording "SPIRITUAL DEATH" in the bible, so there is none, laugh

yes the deceiver satan is continuing to teach him well
teaches him sex tricks too

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

johnw47:


yes false jw mad max is working his way up in the house of satan
leaving all you other devils for dead

he can't find the exact wording "SPIRITUAL DEATH" in the bible, so there is none, laugh

yes the deceiver satan is continuing to teach him well
teaches him sex tricks too

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Get behind me.

chatinent:


Get behind me.

laugh, there is not a bit of truth in you self adulating people pleasers

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

johnw47:


laugh, there is not a bit of truth in you self adulating people pleasers

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Get behind me.

chatinent:



Get behind me.

ha ha, oh pea brain false jw

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

chatinent:



Get behind me.

get behind a false jw! laugh, your daddy has u so deluded

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

johnw47:


[s]Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool




mumu brain fraud jw janosky

i'm not telling the forum, i'm telling you false jw
and pointing out some of your lies and confusion which you have no come back on

you just come back all the time with changed topic and more confusion and lies, and chronic nonsense as that above


1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.




you cannot honestly reply to any of the things i showed you to be wrong on
but then you are a scardy cat false jw

Rev_21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.


and truly so pathetic janosky, one doesn't have to stay spiritually dead[/s]

and who do you think raised able and seth to be God fearing,
[s]of course cain went the way of satan, as you false jw's do[/s]

Is Seth and Abel the person of Adam ?

You MUST tell this forum where & when Adam confessed his repentance to you or your 3 dogheads idols.
Give your proof of Adam's confession & repentance
OR
gerrouta here with your GIBBERISH

Janosky:


Is Seth and Abel the person of Adam ?

so deluded know nothing false jw janosky
and what has that your nonsense got to do with "spiritual death" being a reality

Janosky:
You MUST tell this forum where & when Adam confessed his repentance to you or your 3 dogheads idols.
Give your proof of Adam's confession & repentance
OR
gerrouta here with your GIBBERISH

Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool



fraud jw, look at your your extreme gibberish of adam confessing repentance to me, laugh
and what has it to do with the reality of "spiritual death" oh confused son of your daddy the devil

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


scardy janosky, you keep running away from the truths i say, showing you to be a confuse liar, and you come back with even more of your much confused babble

Rev_21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Janosky:


Is Seth and Abel the person of Adam ?

oh duh very confused know nothing false jw janosky

it was adam and eve who raised able and seth to be God fearing, who else
showing that they had repented of their sins oh most dum dum

johnw47:


and who do you think raised able and seth to be God fearing,

of course cain went the way of satan, as you false jw's do

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

scardy cat false jw janosky u have run into the building, posted your much confused gibberish
and then run out again as fast as your crooked little legs would take you

Rev_21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, [u]shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.[/b]

Thanks brother!

chatinent:

.Congrat on your appointment, bro.

Janosky:


gerrouta here with your GIBBERISH

false jw janosky, u false jw's forever shouting out and laughing like fools at you getting it wrong
Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool


false jw's, heap big luna tics

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chatinent:
TO ANSWER this question, certain Bible facts must first be considered. Among them are these:

Through his manifestation upon earth nineteen centuries ago, the Son of God “shed light upon life and incorruption through the good news.” (2 Tim. 1:10) Through him God gave to many persons “a new birth to a living hope . . . to an incorruptible and undefiled and unfading inheritance . . . reserved in the heavens.” (1 Pet. 1:3, 4) Jesus Christ himself was the first person resurrected to fullness of life, the first to be resurrected to heaven.​—Rev. 1:5.



Jesus was therefore the “forerunner” of those receiving life in heaven. The inspired Christian writer said of the heavenly hope: “This hope we have as an anchor for the soul, both sure and firm, and it enters in within the curtain [into the Most Holy of the temple, representing God’s own heavenly dwelling place], where a forerunner has entered in our behalf, Jesus who has become a high priest according to the manner of Melchizedek forever.” (Heb. 6:19, 20) The same writer shows that the curtain to the Most Holy compartment of the wilderness tabernacle represented Jesus’ flesh. (Heb. 10:20; compare Exodus 26:1, 31, 33.) As long as Jesus was in the flesh, he could not go into heaven, for “flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s kingdom.” (1 Cor. 15:50) By his giving up his flesh, which he gave “in behalf of the life of the world,” and by his being resurrected “in the spirit,” the way was opened for those who would be invited to the kingdom of the heavens.​—John 6:51; 1 Pet. 3:18.


Furthermore, Christ’s resurrection is said to be “a guarantee to all men” that God will resurrect others. (Acts 17:31; 24:15) This would not be true if God had been resurrecting righteous men to heaven all through the preceding centuries.


How, then, are we to understand the Bible account about the prophet Elijah, which reads: “As they [Elijah and Elisha] were walking along, speaking as they walked, why, look! a fiery war chariot and fiery horses, and they proceeded to make a separation between them both; and Elijah went ascending in the windstorm to the heavens.” (2 Ki. 2:11) Did Elijah actually go into the heavens of God? Or did he die?


We have the words of God’s greatest prophet, Jesus Christ, who resided in the heavens with his Father for untold centuries prior to his coming to earth. He said: “No man has ascended into heaven but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man.” (John 3:13) Speaking of John the Baptist, Jesus said: “Among those born of women there has not been raised up a greater than John the Baptist; but a person that is a lesser one in the kingdom of the heavens is greater than he is.” (Matt. 11:11) Accordingly, Elijah, not being greater than John, could not be in heaven.

What, then, were the “heavens” into which Elijah was taken by the windstorm? These were the physical heavens, the atmosphere, the “expanse,” also called “Heaven” at Genesis 1:6-8. A windstorm could exist only in this atmospheric expanse, not in the spirit realm of Jehovah’s heavenly presence. Elijah was carried up out of Elisha’s sight by the windstorm.

The Bible does not say that Elijah died on that occasion. As a matter of fact, Elijah was still alive and active as a prophet at least five years later, apparently over in the territory of Judah. The Bible tells us: “Eventually there came a writing to [Jehoram, king of Judah] from Elijah the prophet.” This letter foretold the sickness and death of Jehoram because of his wrong, idolatrous course. (2 Chron. 21:12-15) A further evidence that Elijah did not die at the time of being taken into the “heavens” is that his servant and successor Elisha did not then hold the customary period of mourning for his master.​—Compare 2 Samuel 19:1; 1 Chronicles 7:22; 2 Chronicles 35:24.

What about Enoch, the seventh in line from Adam? Of him, the Bible says: “Enoch kept walking with the true God. Then he was no more, for God took him.” (Gen. 5:24) Enoch as a prophet of Jehovah foretold God’s coming with his myriads of angels to execute judgment against the ungodly. (Jude 14, 15) Persecution was likely brought against him because of his prophesying. However, God did not permit his opposers to kill Enoch. Instead God “took him,” evidently meaning that He cut short Enoch’s life at an age far below that of most of his contemporaries. It appears that, as in the case of Moses’ body, Jehovah disposed of Enoch’s body, for “he was nowhere to be found.”​—Heb. 11:5; Deut. 34:5, 6; Jude 9.

;DSo, in view of Jesus’ clear statement at John 3:13, Enoch was not taken to the heaven of God’s residence. He died, ;Das the apostle Paul, after naming Enoch and other ancient faithful witnesses of God, makes clear in saying: “In faith all these died, although they did not get the fulfillment of the promises, but they saw them afar off and welcomed them and publicly declared that they were strangers and temporary residents in the land.” (Heb. 11:13) These men knew that their reward was far in the future. The prophets of old knew that their Messianic prophecies did not apply to themselves, but had fulfillment later on. Hence, the apostle Peter says to those who are footstep followers of Jesus Christ the heavenly Forerunner: “Concerning this very salvation [promised to Christ’s joint heirs and being a heavenly hope] a diligent inquiry and a careful search were made by the prophets [including Enoch and Elijah] who prophesied about the undeserved kindness meant for you. They kept on investigating what particular season or what sort of season the spirit in them was indicating concerning Christ when it was bearing witness beforehand about the sufferings for Christ and about the glories to follow these. It was revealed to them that, not to themselves, but to you, they were ministering the things that have now been announced to you through those who have declared the good news to you.”​—1 Pet. 1:10-12.

Peter, speaking to the assembled Jews on the day of Pentecost, shortly after Jesus’ resurrection, said of the faithful King David, “a man agreeable to [Jehovah’s] heart”: “Actually David did not ascend to the heavens, but he himself says, ‘Jehovah said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand, until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.””’ (Acts 13:22; 2:34, 35) :DLikewise, Elijah and Enoch, along with others, are in the grave, awaiting the Lord Jesus Christ’s action in putting his enemies under his feet by destroying them. (Acts 2:29) The glorious enthroned Christ will then resurrect these faithful men from the dead, making them “princes in all the earth.” (Ps. 45:16; Rev. 20:11-13) These trustworthy men will work well with the heavenly King to administer righteousness and justice in the earth .

I know you are a Jehovah witness but am not judging you either also am aware you don't believe on hell or heaven but in regards to Elijah and Enoch please can you explain this verses to me then i will ask you something based on your explanation

1@ this was said by Jesus also
Luke:16.19
"There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day.
Luke:16.20
At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores
Luke:16.21
and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
Luke:16.22
"The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side at the feast in heaven . The rich man also died and was buried.
Luke:16.23
In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.
Luke:16.24
So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
Luke:16.25
"But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony.
Luke:16.26
And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'
Luke:16.27
"He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house,
Luke:16.28
for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'
Luke:16.29
"Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.'
Luke:16.30
"'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.'
Luke:16.31
"He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.'"

2@ Revelation:20.14
Then death and Hell were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death

3@ then wait for my question �

There are traditional teachings in the Churches of Christendom so you just need to be careful in other to distinguish between truth and falsehood.

Jehovah's Witnesses never dispute the existence of heaven or hell but the real meaning and purpose is where Churches of Christendom got it all wrong.

Heaven is where God dwells with all his spirit sons and earth is where he built for mankind {Psalms 115:16} Hell simply means Grave so the both surely exists.

Jesus' utterance regarding Lazarus and the Rich man wasn't a real life story, it's just an illustration (Parable) so what we need to understand is the meaning of this illustration.
The lake of fire has been explained in that same verse you quoted (the second Death) all of us knows what death means so there's no need to worry over first or second death, we don't have any business with this if we know and practice the righteousness of God! Genesis 2:7

Asuredwin:
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I know you are a Jehovah witness but am not judging you either also am aware you don't believe on hell or heaven but in regards to Elijah and Enoch please can you explain this verses to me then i will ask you something based on your explanation
1@ this was said by Jesus also
Luke:16.19
"There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day.
Luke:16.20
At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores
Luke:16.21
and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
Luke:16.22
"The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side at the feast in heaven . The rich man also died and was buried.
Luke:16.23
In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.
Luke:16.24
So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
Luke:16.25
"But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony.
Luke:16.26
And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'
Luke:16.27
"He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house,
Luke:16.28
for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'
Luke:16.29
"Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.'
Luke:16.30
"'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.'
Luke:16.31
"He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.'"
2@ Revelation:20.14
Then death and Hell were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death
3@ then wait for my question �

Asuredwin:
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I know you are a Jehovah witness but am not judging you either also am aware you don't believe on hell or heaven but in regards to Elijah and Enoch please can you explain this verses to me then i will ask you something based on your explanation

1@ this was said by Jesus also
Luke:16.19
"There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day.
Luke:16.20
At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores
Luke:16.21
and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
Luke:16.22
"The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side at the feast in heaven . The rich man also died and was buried.
Luke:16.23
In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.
Luke:16.24
So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
Luke:16.25
"But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony.
Luke:16.26
And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'
Luke:16.27
"He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house,
Luke:16.28
for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'
Luke:16.29
"Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.'
Luke:16.30
"'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.'
Luke:16.31
"He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.'"

2@ Revelation:20.14
Then death and Hell were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death

3@ then wait for my question �

I'm a Jehovah's Witness, yes, and we believe in heaven and hell. We don't believe in hell fire, a place of torment. We believe hell is a common grave of mankind.


Hope you know the Rich Man and Lazarus story was a parable, and not a real life account?

Concerning your Revelation account, tell me, can death burn in fire literally?

Asuredwin:
I know you are a Jehovah witness but am not judging you either also am aware you don't believe on hell or heaven but in regards to Elijah and Enoch please can you explain this verses to me then i will ask you something based on your explanation

1@ this was said by Jesus also
Luke:16.19
"There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day.
Luke:16.20
At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores
Luke:16.21
and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
Luke:16.22
"The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side at the feast in heaven . The rich man also died and was buried.
Luke:16.23
In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.
Luke:16.24
So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
Luke:16.25
"But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony.
Luke:16.26
And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'
Luke:16.27
"He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house,
Luke:16.28
for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'
Luke:16.29
"Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.'
Luke:16.30
"'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.'
Luke:16.31
"He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.'"

2@ Revelation:20.14
Then death and Hell were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death

3@ then wait for my question

chatinent:
I'm a Jehovah's Witness, yes, and we believe in heaven and hell. We don't believe in hell fire, a place of torment. We believe hell is a common grave of mankind.

Hope you know the Rich Man and Lazarus story was a parable, and not a real life account?

Concerning your Revelation account, tell me, can death burn in fire literally?

it is Jesus Christ, in the New Testament, who brought things into a clearer and better perspective for us, when He shared the hyperbolic illustration of Sheol, the equivalent of the 'common grave of mankind', with the story of, while in Sheol, meaning the 'common grave of mankind', the Rich Man was being in an uncomfortable elsewhere there in Sheol and Abraham with the Poor Man were being, on a different side, that was cosy side of Sheol.

Even, if the Rich Man and Lazarus story was a parable, and not a real life account, just like because you're telling a joke, it doesnt necessarily mean, the joke is devoid of some element of truth and reality in it, so is the case with the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus, the poor man story.

chatinent:
Concerning your Revelation account, tell me, can death burn in fire literally?

With ordinary physical eyes you wouldnt be able to see death burn in fire literally

chatinent:


I'm a Jehovah's Witness, yes, and we believe in heaven and hell. We don't believe in hell fire, a place of torment. We believe hell is a common grave of mankind.


Hope you know the Rich Man and Lazarus story was a parable, and not a real life account?

Concerning your Revelation account, tell me, can death burn in fire literally?

This shows you lack one thing the knowledge and understanding of the scripture
Jesus said in
Matthew:5.29
If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell fire
Matthew:5.30
And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell fire

because you believe in hell only as a graveyard and not hell fire that's ridiculous there can't be a hell without fire nor fire without hell that's why it's called (hell fire) do this practical and give me your observation
((* apply a little fuel on your head then light it with a matches allow it to burn for 5 minutes i believe you will understand why fire is referred as hell*))

Jesus speak of hell fire many times in the Bible
OK you said Lazarus and the rich man is just a story or parable and not real and this makes me to question if really you a Christian or a Jehovah's witnesses because a Christian can not be a Jehovah's witnesses neither can a Jehovah's witnesses be a Christian because Jesus said if you aren't for us then you are against us.

Please try to read carefully, study diligently and meditate thoroughly on the highlighted because @ Revelations 20:14 we read:
"And death and HELL were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death" KJV
Are you saying there is a living entity called Death?
Or Hellfire is thrown into another Hellfire again?

Asuredwin:

there can't be a hell without fire nor fire without hell that's why it's called (hell fire) do this practical and give me your observation

There is a reason why why are separated from all the religions claiming Christians today {Revelations 18:4} and as regards the name we bear now well it fulfilled of a long time prophecy! Isaiah 65:15
Jehovah separated his sheep from among the goats using Jesus' teachings {Matthew 13:30} you will notice that despite claiming Christian you can't engage in any sacred service with your so called Christian brothers due to contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines everywhere. So don't worry Sir we know why we are totally different from all of you today {John 17:14-16} spiritually speaking we can relate with our fellow believers throughout the earth just like one family {John 13:34-35} even though we live in different places {Mark 10:29-30} but think of those claiming Christians like you, apart from the building where you gather for worship you can't relate cordially with a so called Christian elsewhere! Luke 11:23

Asuredwina:

Christian can not be a Jehovah's witnesses neither can a Jehovah's witnesses be a Christian because Jesus said if you aren't for us then you are against us.

You ended up talking nonsense.

Asuredwin:





This shows you lack one thing the knowledge and understanding of the scripture
Jesus said in
Matthew:5.29
If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell fire
Matthew:5.30
And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell fire

because you believe in hell only as a graveyard and not hell fire that's ridiculous there can't be a hell without fire nor fire without hell that's why it's called (hell fire) do this practical and give me your observation
((* apply a little fuel on your head then light it with a matches allow it to burn for 5 minutes i believe you will understand why fire is referred as hell*))

Jesus speak of hell fire many times in the Bible
OK you said Lazarus and the rich man is just a story or parable and not real and this makes me to question if really you a Christian or a Jehovah's witnesses because a Christian can not be a Jehovah's witnesses neither can a Jehovah's witnesses be a Christian because Jesus said if you aren't for us then you are against us.

MaxInDHouse:
Please try to read carefully, study diligently and meditate thoroughly on the highlighted because @ Revelations 20:14 we read:
"And death and HELL were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death" KJV
Are you saying there is a living entity called Death?
Or Hellfire is thrown into another Hellfire again?

What's described in verses 14 and 15 is nothing less than the final, complete accomplishment of total victory over sin. The judgment is complete. Now Death and hell are cast into the lake of fire. Unbelievers spend their lives following the will of the Devil. Ephesians 2:1–3 reminds Christians that prior to salvation they were dead in trespasses and sins. Sins characterized their lives, and they followed Satan, the prince of the power of the air. Also, they lived in the passions of the sin nature and were the children of wrath. However, in a remarkable act of love, God showed mercy and saved by grace, turning their wicked lifestyle into a beautiful life style (Ephesians 2:4–10).

This verse in Revelation calls the lake of fire "the second death." The first death is physical. Upon death, the soul is separated from the body, and
At the second death, the those their names were not found written in the book of life will be separate from the Lord and his glorious powers into everlasting punishment in the lake of fire that means total victory there will be no more death nor hell fire as both are now in the lake of fire.
the above scripture doesn't mean death and hell are living entity but all the above are as a result of sin that's why they have to be permanently taken .

You specifically said "there can't be Hell without fire" but now we read "Death and Hell were cast into the lake of fire"

My question is how many times fire will be thrown into fire and does that sounds reasonable?

Asuredwin:


What's described in verses 14 and 15 is nothing less than the final, complete accomplishment of total victory over sin. The judgment is complete. Now Death and hell are cast into the lake of fire. Unbelievers spend their lives following the will of the Devil. Ephesians 2:1–3 reminds Christians that prior to salvation they were dead in trespasses and sins. Sins characterized their lives, and they followed Satan, the prince of the power of the air. Also, they lived in the passions of the sin nature and were the children of wrath. However, in a remarkable act of love, God showed mercy and saved by grace, turning their wicked lifestyle into a beautiful life style (Ephesians 2:4–10).

This verse in Revelation calls the lake of fire "the second death." The first death is physical. Upon death, the soul is separated from the body, and
At the second death, the those their names were not found written in the book of life will be separate from the Lord and his glorious powers into everlasting punishment in the lake of fire that means total victory there will be no more death nor hell fire as both are now in the lake of fire.
the above scripture doesn't mean death and hell are living entity but all the above are as a result of sin that's why they have to be permanently taken .

chatinent:
TO ANSWER this question, certain Bible facts must first be considered. Among them are these:

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Much ado over nothing!

Where do Angels of God drop their physical bodies whenever they put on human flesh? Is it impossible for God to treat Enoch and Elijah like that?

Elijah rode in a chariot of fire!
Enoch was not, for God Himself took him!

This is why Jesus said about John the Baptist.
Mat 17:12-13:
"But I say to you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done to him whatever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them."
"Then the disciples understood that he spoke to them of John the Baptist."

For those who limit not the power of God, there is no problem if they didn't die!

For it is appointed that man should die ONCE but after this Judgment Hebrew 9:27

The Bible revealed how John was born and killed, God's word clearly stated "It has been appointed that man should die ONCE", how many times did Elijah died if he is John the baptist?
Therefore John can't be Elijah in person but he is the prophet to come in the spirit (manner) of Elijah!

shadeyinka:

Much ado over nothing!

Where do Angels of God drop their physical bodies whenever they put on human flesh? Is it impossible for God to treat Enoch and Elijah like that?

Elijah rode in a chariot of fire!
Enoch was not, for God Himself took him!

This is why Jesus said about John the Baptist.
Mat 17:12-13:
"But I say to you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done to him whatever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them."
"Then the disciples understood that he spoke to them of John the Baptist."

For those who limit not the power of God, there is no problem if they didn't die!

MaxInDHouse:
For it is appointed that man should die ONCE but after this Judgment Hebrew 9:27

The Bible revealed how John was born and killed, God's word clearly stated "It has been appointed that man should die ONCE", how many times did Elijah died if he is John the baptist?
Therefore John can't be Elijah in person but he is the prophet to come in the spirit (manner) of Elijah!

But Elijah didn't die. He was carried bodily away .
...by a flying saucer LOL!

2Kin 2:10-11:
"And he said, You have asked a hard thing: nevertheless, if you see me when I am taken from you, it shall be so to you; but if not, it shall not be so.
And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven."

1. Something not of this world carried Elijah away
2. Whatever it was didn't leave the body of Elijah on earth
3. The "vehicle" pushed Elijah and Elisha apart.
4. The destination was Heaven

Did Elijah really died here?

Elijah surely died because the Bible made us know that he was taken to another place where he wrote a letter back home {2Chronicles 21:12} Jesus confirmed that nobody has ever ascended to heaven before {John 3:13} and John was born as a baby so if at all Elijah would come back as John which implies reincarnation (not scriptural) he could have died at a point in time before his rebirth!

So let's work on the scripture that says a man must die once and all men were born once too!

shadeyinka:

But Elijah didn't die. He was carried bodily away .
...by a flying saucer LOL!

2Kin 2:10-11:
"And he said, You have asked a hard thing: nevertheless, if you see me when I am taken from you, it shall be so to you; but if not, it shall not be so.
And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven."

1. Something not of this world carried Elijah away
2. Whatever it was didn't leave the body of Elijah on earth
3. The "vehicle" pushed Elijah and Elisha apart.
4. The destination was Heaven

Did Elijah really died here?

MaxInDHouse:
Elijah surely died because the Bible made us know that he was taken to another place where he wrote a letter back home {2Chronicles 21:12} Jesus confirmed that nobody has ever ascended to heaven before {John 3:13} and John was born as a baby so if at all Elijah would come back as John which implies reincarnation (not scriptural) he could have died at a point in time before his rebirth!

So let's work on the scripture that says a man must die once and all men were born once too!

A begi, which town did Elijah escape to: Ibadan or Maiduguri!?

I think my bible says "to heaven!" I don't know what your NWT says!

2Kin 2:10-11:
And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

It's surprising that you don't know that there is overlap between the books of Samuel, Kings and Chronicles. These books are not sequential my dear.

2Chronicles 21:12 happened before 2Kin 2:10-11.

An aircraft will do the same thing, lift from the ground and straight up to heaven, thanks to advancement in technology a child of 5 years old today will tell you that the aircraft is going to land somewhere else!

When talking about heaven Jesus (resides there before coming to the earth said "no man has ever gotten their" and @ Hebrew 9:27 God's word said men die once.

So it's settled you stick to what you believe and JWs will stick to what we believe!

shadeyinka:

A begi, which town did Elijah escape to: Ibadan or Maiduguri!?

I think my bible says "to heaven!" I don't know what your NWT says!

2Kin 2:10-11:
And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

It's surprising that you don't know that there is overlap between the books of Samuel, Kings and Chronicles. These books are not sequential my dear.

2Chronicles 21:12 happened before 2Kin 2:10-11.