The way to the holy place(heaven) was only made open after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ so that wasn’t possible. Hebrews 10:19-22

Enoch and Elijah are outstanding examples of men of strong faith. Hebrews 11:5; 35, 38

Yet Paul wrote at Hebrews 11:13 that ALL of them including the aforementioned died.

Exmilitant:
The white man didn't invent religion, the blackman did, the epic of Gilgamesh, the flurry of religious activities in the land of Kemesh, the early church fathers who championed christianity were all blacks! The Bible is just a plagiarised documents of all spiritual activities that occured in African. read the bible again you are sure to find Obatala's story carefully retold to accomodate the Jews.

is black man that create zeus or huduism, buddhism, christianity? there is symbiosis between culture and religion, every race have there culture which is related to there religion so you not wrong if you see religion as a culture.. but to say the black race are the originator of christianity I found that so ridiculous...

Moses called Jesus Prophet and Apostle Peter confirmed it! Deuteronomy 18:15-18; Act 3:22

So Jesus was a God and Prophet just as Moses was both God and Prophet! Exodus 7:1

Nephilim:
You will believe this if you have no understanding of who Elihah or Enoch are! Now tell me did Melchizedek died or is he still roaming the earth!
Op for your information, Jesus is not a prophet or a greatest prophet, He is God.

MaxInDHouse:
Elijah did not get to heaven where God and Jesus lives, [s]the chariot carried Elijah away from the ground[/s] and in what way could a person living back then express what happened? A 7 year old child today will watch an aircraft lift from the ground and enter the clouds but will tell you confidently that this aircraft is going to land somewhere else on this same planet because we now have aeroplane in our own time.
So Elijah was safely carried away to another place the chariot only went through air not on the ground, that's why Elijah could sent a letter back home from where the chariot took him {2Chronicles 21:12} evidently that's where he spent the rest of his days and died just like all other descendants of Adam!

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK i'm just not interested in chatting with you Sir!

I dont want to chat with anyone that lies and falsely claims, that Elijah was taken up in chariot when he wasn't, so you goat your way.

Besides a goat, cant be interested in chatting and going into the barbing salon, when a lion is the barber.

Seun, lalasticlala, Dominque

It's well Sir may you have PEACE!

BassReeves:
I dont want to chat with anyone that lies and falsely claims, that Elijah was taken up in chariot when he wasn't, so you goat your way.

Besides a goat, cant be interested in chatting and going into the barbing salon, when a lion is the barber.

MaxInDHouse:
Neither did God mention SPIRITUAL DEATH!

What God said is DEATH which is the exact opposite of LIFE!

Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool


know nothing false jw mad max


Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

there was no sin in adam, he was a perfect man, spiritually alive, til he sinned and died spiritually


false jw mad max:

"for in the thousand years that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."



Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

MaxInDHouse:
It's well Sir may you have PEACE!

Isaiah 57:4
'Who are you mocking?
At whom do you sneer and stick out your tongue?
Are you not a brood of rebels, the offspring of liars?'

All liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone

The chariots of fire.

BassReeves:
2 Kings 2:11
'As they were walking along and talking, suddenly a chariot of fire appeared, drawn by horses of fire.
It drove between the two men, separating them, and Elijah was carried by a whirlwind into heaven.'

Elijah was not recorded as being carried away in any whatsoever chariot, but that he was carried away in a column of air moving rapidly round and round in a cylindrical or funnel shape (i.e. tornado, or also could be called a whirlwind or windstorm).

The purpose of the chariot of fire, drawn by horses of fire, being there, was to separate Elijah from Elisha, and so prevent Elisha making any attempt to try and stop Elijah being lifted up in the air by the tornado, that is equally a whirlwind or windstorm.

donnie:
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The chariots of fire.

What is the meaning of that your posted spacecraft or spaceship picture that is used for travelling in space?
Read 2 Kings 2:11 about how Elijah was carried by a tornado into the air.

There was no mention of SPIRITUAL DEATH Sir!

johnw47:

Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool
know nothing false jw mad max
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. there was no sin in adam, he was a perfect man, spiritually alive, til he sinned and died spirituallyfalse jw mad max:"for in the thousand years that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

It is well with your soul Sir!

BassReeves:
Isaiah 57:4
'Who are you mocking?
At whom do you sneer and stick out your tongue?
Are you not a brood of rebels, the offspring of liars?'

All liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone

MaxInDHouse:
Were they Adam's descendants? Romans 5:12

Like i said, i repeat it is much ado about nothing by empty Bible gymnasts. Whether Enoch died or not, whether he went to Heaven or not, you are still the same hypocrite, liar, jealous, proud, sad and angry Jwickedness looking for the next opportunity to share awake and remind us how your denomination is the only follower of God. It has no influence on your life what the truth is, only what the sad hall elders say.

Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

He was translated that he should not see death. You're free to argue the incompetence of Who translated him not to see death. How can JW be wrong? The Bible is. It's your sad life to live not mine. Look for how your life can be truly Christian.

BassReeves:


What is the meaning of that your posted spacecraft or spaceship picture that is used for travelling in space?
Read 2 Kings 2:11 about how Elijah was carried by a tornado into the air.

Chariot means vehicle. The whirlwind could have been the effect of such movement. This is what our old black Isrealite ancestors alluded to when they sang, Swing low, swing Chariot, coming to carry me home.

2 Kings 2:11
[11]And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

UFOs are not made by humans. Humans don't have the technoligcal capabilities to make such machines that travel between dimensions at unimaginable speed. They can choose to appear and disappear. Humans are still discovering and studying this phenomenon.

Those are the chariots of fire, vehicles used by angels in heaven. Those are the wheels mentioned in the book of Ezekiel. Sometimes it's refered to as a cloud. Eg. MESSIAH went up, and into a cloud as his disciples looked on.

Ezekiel 1:16,18-19
[16]The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.
[18]As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four.
[19]And when the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.

See an example of a wheel within a wheel, with rings full of eyes.

Thanks you're welcome, NEXT?

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Like i said, i repeat it is much ado about nothing by empty Bible gymnasts. Whether Enoch died or not, whether he went to Heaven or not, you are still the same hypocrite, liar, jealous, proud, sad and angry Jwickedness looking for the next opportunity to share awake and remind us how your denomination is the only follower of God. It has no influence on your life what the truth is, only what the sad hall elders say.

Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

He was translated that he should not see death. You're free to argue the incompetence of Who translated him not to see death. How can JW be wrong? The Bible is. It's your sad life to live not mine. Look for how your life can be truly Christian.

johnw47:
Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool


know nothing false jw mad max


Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

there was no sin in adam, he was a perfect man, spiritually alive, til he sinned and died spiritually


false jw mad max:

"for in the thousand years that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

MaxInDHouse:
There was no mention of SPIRITUAL DEATH Sir!

Sin causes separation from God. When sin causes a separation from God, then that person is spiritually dead.

God being a Spirit, requires that one connects to Him spiritually, but when one's spiritual antennae is broken, then one would not anymore be able to carry, receive, transmit messages and signals from God and vice versa.

It's OK Muttleylaff!

BassReeves:


Sin causes separation from God. When sin causes a separation from God, then that person is spiritually dead.

God being a Spirit, requires that one connects to Him spiritually, but when one's spiritual antennae is broken, then one would not anymore be able to carry, receive, transmit messages and signals from God and vice versa.

MaxInDHouse:
There was no mention of SPIRITUAL DEATH Sir!

Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool


blinded know nothing false jw mad max

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Just quote the phrase "Spiritual Death" in God's word and it's done!

johnw47:


Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool


blinded know nothing false jw mad max

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

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Like i said, i repeat it is much ado about nothing by empty Bible gymnasts. Whether Enoch died or not, whether he went to Heaven or not, you are still the same hypocrite, liar, jealous, proud, sad and angry Jwickedness looking for the next opportunity to share awake and remind us how your denomination is the only follower of God. It has no influence on your life what the truth is, only what the sad hall elders say.

Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

He was translated that he should not see death. You're free to argue the incompetence of Who translated him not to see death. How can JW be wrong? The Bible is. It's your sad life to live not mine. Look for how your life can be truly Christian.

Nice reply

tobechi74:


The Bible saidvJohn the Baptist had the spirit of Elijah. He waavElijah incarnate

Christ said John The Baptist was the Elijah they where waiting for

donnie:
Chariot means vehicle.

Chariot, in that biblical setting, is a two-wheeled vehicle drawn by horses, and often used in ancient racing and warfare and not anything like that your spaceship you are twisting it to appear as

donnie:
The whirlwind could have been the effect of such movement. This is what our old black Isrealite ancestors alluded to when they sang, [i]Swing low, swing Chariot, coming to carry me home.

You are trying very hard to twist things to suit your preconceived and crooked ideas

donnie:
2 Kings 2:11
[11]And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

UFOs are not made by humans. They don't have the technoligcal capabilities to make such machines that travel between dimensions at unimaginable speed. They can choose to appear and disappear. Humans are still discovering and studying this phenomenon.

Those are the chariots of fire, vehicles used by angels in heaven. Those are the wheels mentioned in the book of Ezekiel. Sometimes it's refered to as a cloud. Eg. MESSIAH went up, and into a cloud as his disciples looked on.

The Messiah, Jesus, in a glorified body, went up in the air without the need of any apparatus

donnie:
Ezekiel 1:16,18-19
[16]The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.
[18]As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four.
[19]And when the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.

See an example of a wheel within a wheel, with rings full of eyes.

1. Do angels have bodies?
2. Are the angelic host of heavens incorporeal or not incorporeal?
Or are angels spirits or physical?
3. Do you understand that Ezekiel 1:16,18-19 is part of the Ezekiel Chapter 1 - Chapter 48 visions of God that prophet Ezekiel had and that it is actually using imagery to depict God's omnipresence, omniscience and omnipotence?

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK Muttleylaff!

Your lies carry weight and occupy space

BassReeves:
A goat can be trusted to be as stubborn as ever and according to its nature
Muttleylaff ko. Muttleylaff ni. Muttleylaff keel you there

MaxInDHouse:
Just quote the phrase "Spiritual Death" in God's word and it's done!

Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool



false jw mad max

it's already done very dum one, you just don't know it

Rev 3:1  To the angel of the church in Sardis write: These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead.

the church of sardis were not physically dead, know nothing false jw, they were spiritually dead



about you lying false jw mad max:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

OK Sir!

BassReeves:
Your lies carry weight and occupy space

Is there any verse where the phrase "SPIRITUAL DEATH" is found in the Bible or not?

johnw47:

Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool
false jw mad max
it's already done very dum one, you just don't know it
Rev 3:1  To the angel of the church in Sardis write: These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead.
the church of sardis were not physically dead, know nothing false jw, they were spiritually dead
about you lying false jw mad max:
Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

MaxInDHouse:
Is there any verse where the phrase "SPIRITUAL DEATH" is found in the Bible or not?

poor confused and blinded know nothing false jw mad max

1Co_14:33  for God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.

2Co_4:4  in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.


Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool



Rev 3:1 To the angel of the church in Sardis write: These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead.

the church of sardis were not physically dead, know nothing false jw, they were spiritually dead
just like adam didn't physically die the day he sinned, he spiritually died, oh know nothing son of your father the devil

MaxInDHouse:
Hi brothers i'm using this medium to inform all of you that last two weeks was our circuit week and your brother Maximus has just been appointed a Ministerial Servant!

another know nothing ministerial servant in false jw sect
satan would be pleased

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

So you can see that what you're fabricating can't be found in God's word.
Adam was alive but he never lived up to 1,000 years which is the equivalent of a day before God {2Peter 3:8} he died before the next day at the age 930 years! Genesis 5:5

Take it or leave it the phrase SPIRITUAL DEATH is not written anywhere in the Bible!

johnw47:


poor confused and blinded know nothing false jw mad max

1Co_14:33  for God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.

2Co_4:4  in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.


Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool



Rev 3:1 To the angel of the church in Sardis write: These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead.

the church of sardis were not physically dead, know nothing false jw, they were spiritually dead
just like adam didn't physically die the day he sinned, he spiritually died, oh know nothing son of your father the devil

MaxInDHouse:
So you can see that what you're fabricating can't be found in God's word.
Adam was alive but he never lived up to 1,000 years which is the equivalent of a day before God {2Peter 3:8} he died before the next day at the age 930 years! Genesis 5:5

Take it or leave it the phrase SPIRITUAL DEATH is not written anywhere in the Bible!

know nothing false jw mad max
repeating your lies and confusion over and over again won't make them true

nothing fabricated oh cannot stop lying false jw, my posts and supporting verses are very clear
but not to the blinded:

2Co_4:4  in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

Joh 8:44  You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.


mad max, your posts are so dum dum, you should read them

BassReeves:
Chariot, in that biblical setting, is a two-wheeled vehicle drawn by horses, and often used in ancient racing and warfare and not anything like that your spaceship you are twisting it to appear as
You are trying very hard to twist things to suit your preconceived and crooked ideas

I'm talking about the Paleo-Hebrew word translated as vehicle, not the movies Hollywood used to deceive you. I don't need to twist anything. There are already too many twisted lies in your Christianity. You're already in love with fairy tales so you prefer to believe things that are abstract and unreal.

BassReeves:
The Messiah, Jesus, in a glorified body, went up in the air without the need of any apparatus

The true MESSIAH (a black man) lived here on earth before he was glorified. Even the Most High (described as a black man with wooly hair) has his WHEELS with Him. When MESSIAH returns, he is coming with his chairiots.

Daniel 7:9
I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

Isaiah 66:15
For, behold, YAHUAH will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Psalms 68:17
The chariots of YAH are tens of thousands, even thousands of angels: YAHUAH is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place.

Oops... I thought MESSIAH was glorified?
Is he now crippled that he will be needing chariots?

BassReeves:

1. Do angels have bodies?
2. Are the angelic host of heavens incorporeal or not incorporeal?
Or are angels spirits or physical?
3. Do you understand that Ezekiel 1:16,18-19 is part of the Ezekiel Chapter 1 - Chapter 48 visions of God that prophet Ezekiel had and that it is actually using imagery to depict God's omnipresence, omniscience and omnipotence?

Go and humbly read the Bible again, this time without the influence of whiteman's witchcraft, then you will begin to see. Do this before you think of questioning me.

Jesus Christ who lived with his father for centuries in heaven say at John 3:13 that no man has ascended into heaven. That tell us clearly that the likes of Elijah did not ascend to Gods dwelling place