Jesus made it cleared to us that we christians which are under the grace are expected to obey the laws given by God to Moses :

Matthew 5:17 KJV
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

For example , are we not to obey this laws ?

Leviticus 19:26-28 KJV
Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times. [27] Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.
[28] Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the Lord.

enilove:
Jesus made it cleared to us that we christians which are under the grace are expected to obey the laws given by God to Moses :
Matthew 5:17 KJV
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For example , are we not to obey this laws ?

Leviticus 19:26-28 KJV
Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times. [27] Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.
[28] Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the Lord.

We are not under the Old Covenant Law (The Law of Moses). So yes, we are not to obey the Old Covenant Laws depicted in the books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. And there are 2 reasons why not to obey those commandments.

First reason, not the most important reason mind you, is that the Old Covenant was made between God and the people who are descended from Jacob(Israel). The Covenant covers only those people and the foreigners who live in the land of Israel among them( Read Deuteronomy 30 to find out more). According to the Old Covenant, even though those foreigners who live in the land of Israel have only 4 commandments given them, out of the 613 commandments the Lord imposed on the Children of Israel, the foreigners did not get a part of the Promise that God made those who would obey His commandments.

Deuteronomy 30 vs 15-20 (ERV)
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15. “Today I have given you a choice between life and death, success and disaster.
16. I command you today to love the Lord your God. I command you to follow him and to obey his commands, laws, and rules. Then you will live, and your nation will grow larger. And the Lord your God will bless you in the land that you are entering to take for your own.
17. But if you turn away from your God and refuse to listen, if you are led away to worship and serve other gods,
18. you will be destroyed. I am warning you today, if you turn away from God, you will not live long in that land across the Jordan River that you are ready to enter and take for your own.

19. “Today I am giving you a choice of two ways. And I ask heaven and earth to be witnesses of your choice. You can choose life or death. The first choice will bring a blessing. The other choice will bring a curse. So choose life! Then you and your children will live.
20. You must love the Lord your God and obey him. Never leave him, because he is your life. And he will give you a long life in the land that he, the Lord, promised to give to your ancestors—Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.”

The second reason why you must not follow the Old Covenant, is Jesus Christ, the New Covenant of grace. Yes, Jesus Christ is the Law and the Lawgiver. His Covenant, which comes with a lighter yolk and an easier burden, is instead a Covenant between God Himself and individual men who will choose to believe in Jesus Christ. Unlike the Old Covenant, the New Covenant has about 46 commandments in total which His followers are commanded to accept(trust) and obey.

Matthew 11 vs 27-30 (ESV)
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27. All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.
28. Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
30. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”

Only those who accept(trust) and obey the teachings(commandments) of Jesus Christ are made worthy of Him and imbued with the very Spirit of God - these are the ones called "Children of God".

John 15 vs 1-11(ESV)
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1. “I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser.
2. Every branch in me that does not bear fruit he takes away, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit.
3. Already you are clean because of the word that I have spoken to you.
4. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me.
5. I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing.
6. If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned.
7. If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.
8. By this my Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit and so prove to be my disciples.
9. As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Abide in my love.
10. If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.
11. These things I have spoken to you, that my joy may be in you, and that your joy may be full.

Now as part of the Old Covenant, the Israelites are commanded against adding or removing from the commandments of God. In a similar manner, followers of Jesus Christ are commanded against adding the doctrines and rules(commandments) of men to the teachings of Jesus Christ(Mark 7) as this comes with the consequence of nullifying the power in the word of God as pertain to the lives of those who do such.

Mark 7 vs 1-13 (ERV)
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1. Now when the Pharisees gathered to him, with some of the scribes who had come from Jerusalem,
2. they saw that some of his disciples ate with hands that were defiled, that is, unwashed.
3. (For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they wash their hands properly,[a] holding to the tradition of the elders,
4. and when they come from the marketplace, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other traditions that they observe, such as the washing of cups and pots and copper vessels and dining couches.[c])
[b] 5. And the Pharisees and the scribes asked him, “Why do your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat with defiled hands?”
6. And he said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written,
“‘This people honors me with their lips,
but their heart is far from me;
7. in vain do they worship me,
teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’

8. You leave the commandment of God and hold to the (doctrines and rules)** tradition of men.”
9. And he said to them, “You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to establish your tradition!
10. For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.’
11. But you say, ‘If a man tells his father or his mother, “Whatever you would have gained from me is Corban”’ (that is, given to God)[d]—
12. then you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or mother,
13. thus making void the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And many such things you do.”

_{** substituted from another Bible translation for better understanding of what is impacted}

In addition, Jesus Christ also warns His followers against trying to mix Old Wine with New Wine by explaining the devastating results of saving Old wine in new WineSkin and then New Wine in Old WineSkin.

Matthew 9 vs 14-17
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14. Then the followers of John came to Jesus and said, “We and the Pharisees fast often, but your followers don’t ever fast. Why?”
15. Jesus answered, “At a wedding the friends of the bridegroom are not sad while he is with them. They cannot fast then. But the time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them. Then they will fast.
16. “When someone sews a patch over a hole in an old coat, they never use a piece of cloth that has not already been shrunk. If they do, the patch will shrink and pull away from the coat. Then the hole will be worse.
17. Also, people never pour new wine into old wineskins. They would break, the wine would spill out, and the wineskins would be ruined. People always put new wine into new wineskins, which won’t break, and the wine stays good.”

You got it wrong. Jesus only insisted that the Law of Moses should be kept until it is fulfilled. Now, it has been fulfilled and set aside. Grace is fully ushered in.

The word fulfill means to bring to an end in this context.

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Hebrews 7:18-19.
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

The evidences that point to the end of the law is overwhelming especially in the epistles of Paul.

The Scripture can't say in several verses that the Law of Moses has been abolished and then contradict it with just one verse. Matthew 5:17-18 has been highly misunderstood by so many ministers.

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Kobojunkie:
We are not under the Old Covenant Law (The Law of Moses). So yes, we are not to obey the Old Covenant Laws depicted in the books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. And there are 2 reasons why not to obey those commandments.

First reason, not the most important reason mind you, is that the Old Covenant was made between God and the people who are descended from Jacob(Israel). The Covenant covers only those people and the foreigners who live in the land of Israel among them( Read Deuteronomy 30 to find out more). According to the Old Covenant, even though those foreigners who live in the land of Israel have only 4 commandments given them, out of the 613 commandments the Lord imposed on the Children of Israel, the foreigners did not get a part of the Promise that God made those who would obey His commandments.


The second reason why you must not follow the Old Covenant, is Jesus Christ, the New Covenant of grace. Yes, Jesus Christ is the Law and the Lawgiver. His Covenant, which comes with a lighter yolk and an easier burden, is instead a Covenant between God Himself and individual men who will choose to believe in Jesus Christ. Unlike the Old Covenant, the New Covenant has about 46 commandments in total which His followers are commanded to accept(trust) and obey.
Only those who accept(trust) and obey the teachings(commandments) of Jesus Christ are made worthy of Him and imbued with the very Spirit of God - these are the ones called "Children of God".

Now as part of the Old Covenant, the Israelites are commanded against adding or removing from the commandments of God. In a similar manner, followers of Jesus Christ are commanded against adding the doctrines and rules(commandments) of men to the teachings of Jesus Christ(Mark 7) as this comes with the consequence of nullifying the power in the word of God as pertain to the lives of those who do such.

_{** substituted from another Bible translation for better understanding of what is impacted}

In addition, Jesus Christ also warns His followers against trying to mix Old Wine with New Wine by explaining the devastating results of saving Old wine in new WineSkin and then New Wine in Old WineSkin.

I have a question for you .

The law says , '' thou shall not kill '' .
Is this abolished ?

Ken4Christ:
You got it wrong. Jesus only insisted that the Law of Moses should be kept until it is fulfilled. Now, it has been fulfilled and set aside. Grace is fully ushered in.

The word fulfill means to bring to an end in this context.

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Hebrews 7:18-19.
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

The evidences that point to the end of the law is overwhelming especially in the epistles of Paul.

The Scripture can't say in several verses that the Law of Moses has been abolished and then contradict it with just one verse. Matthew 5:17-18 has been highly misunderstood by so many ministers.

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

It is the law not to steal .
Are Christians not bound by this law ?

enilove:
I have a question for you .
The law says , '' thou shall not kill '' .
Is this abolished ?

Jesus Christ did not abolish the Old Covenant. The Old Covenant is an eternal Covenant, just like the New Covenant. In fact, the Old Covenant continues to bind the people of Israel and those who live in their land forever.

The New Covenant is a separate covenant from the Old Covenant. As far as "Thou shall not kill" is concerned, in the New Covenant, we are instead given two major commandments which wrap up the message of that Old Covenant commandment.
1. The first of the commandments, also found as part of the Old Covenant, is as below.

Mark 12 vs 30-31 (ESV)
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30. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, all your mind, and all your strength.’[a]
31. The second most important command is this: ‘Love your neighbor[b] the same as you love yourself.’[c] These two commands are the most important.”

Another version of similar is found below

Matthew 7 vs 12 (ESV)
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12. “So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

2. The second commandment is as below

Matthew 5 vs 43-48 (ERV)
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43. “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[k] and hate your enemy.’
44. But I tell you, love your enemies. Pray for those who treat you badly.
45. If you do this, you will be children who are truly like your Father in heaven. He lets the sun rise for all people, whether they are good or bad. He sends rain to those who do right and to those who do wrong.
46. If you love only those who love you, why should you get a reward for that? Even the tax collectors do that.
47. And if you are nice only to your friends, you are no better than anyone else. Even the people who don’t know God are nice to their friends.
48. What I am saying is that you must be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

Anyone who accepts(trusts) and obeys the teachings/Commandments of Jesus Christ will know that it is wrong to kill anyone.

enilove:

It is the law not to steal .
Are Christians not bound by this law ?

"Thou shall not steal" is also covered in the two commandments given by Jesus Christ that are described above - particularly "Do on to others as you would like for them to do to you".

enilove:
Jesus made it cleared to us that we christians which are under the grace are expected to obey the laws given by God to Moses :

Matthew 5:17 KJV
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

For example , are we not to obey this laws ?

Leviticus 19:26-28 KJV
Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times. [27] Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.
[28] Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the Lord.

My dear, the new covenant which is a better one than the old covenant still have laws one must obey as a follower of Christ. Non-negotiable.

The standards of the new covenant are higher than the old covenant (Mosaic Laws). A good example of this where the things Jesus preached in Matthew 5.

enilove:


I have a question for you .

The law says , '' thou shall not kill '' .
Is this abolished ?

Since you knew, then you should not have raised this thread!

OkCornel:


My dear, the new covenant which is a better one than the old covenant still have laws one must obey as a follower of Christ. Non-negotiable.

The standards of the new covenant are higher than the old covenant (Mosaic Laws). A good example of this where the things Jesus preached in Matthew 5.

Why do you guys not hear "I have not come to abolish The Law?"

Which Old Law is Not In Force today?

Search and see if you can find any!

All The Items in Mathew 5 are contained in The Law!

Raise any up and I will show you it's corresponding Law!

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ did not abolish the Old Covenant. The New Covenant is a separate covenant from the Old Covenant. As far as "Thou shall not kill" is concerned, in the New Covenant, we are instead given two major commandments which wrap up the message of that Old Covenant commandment.
1. The first of the commandments, also found as part of the Old Covenant, is as below.

Another version of similar is found below

2. The second commandment is as below


Anyone who accepts(trusts) and obeys the teachings/Commandments of Jesus Christ will know that it is wrong to kill anyone.

"Thou shall not steal" is also covered in the two commandments given by Jesus Christ that are described above - particularly "Do on to others are you would like for them to do to you".

See how you decieve and mislead thyself? The Mark 12:30-31, did it not FIRST COMMENCE IN Verse 28?

With the Question, Which is The First Commandment of ALL THE COMMANDMENTS?
(And of course The Commandment Always means The Law)

So when are where did The Lord introduce 2 New Laws, as you represented?

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ did not abolish the Old Covenant. The Old Covenant is an eternal Covenant, just like the New Covenant. In fact, the Old Covenant continues to bind the people of Israel and those who live in their land forever.

The New Covenant is a separate covenant from the Old Covenant. As far as "Thou shall not kill" is concerned, in the New Covenant, we are instead given two major commandments which wrap up the message of that Old Covenant commandment...

Is this not contradictory? First you say

Kobojunkie:
We are not under the Old Covenant Law (The Law of Moses). So yes, we are not to obey the Old Covenant Laws depicted in the books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. ..

Then you say above

Kobojunkie:

...In fact, the Old Covenant continues to bind the people of Israel and those who live in their land forever...

A Law can not be both in Force and Repealed at the same time, for when it is repealed, it is extinguished, therefore, it can not have any force.

Eg "PMS is now 212 per litre"/We are not increasing the price of PMS in March!

Confusion!! Exactly the type we have today in the country, which is Why No Law can be in Force and be Repealed at the Same Time! No, not ever!

I perceive that you would not answer me but I wish to reasonably understand what kind of religion you are into, which is why I am reasonably but most Truthfully Presenting my disagreement with you for due resolution.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ did not abolish the Old Covenant. The Old Covenant is an eternal Covenant, just like the New Covenant. In fact, the Old Covenant continues to bind the people of Israel and those who live in their land forever.

The New Covenant is a separate covenant from the Old Covenant. As far as "Thou shall not kill" is concerned, in the New Covenant, we are instead given two major commandments which wrap up the message of that Old Covenant commandment.
1. The first of the commandments, also found as part of the Old Covenant, is as below.

Another version of similar is found below

2. The second commandment is as below


Anyone who accepts(trusts) and obeys the teachings/Commandments of Jesus Christ will know that it is wrong to kill anyone.

"Thou shall not steal" is also covered in the two commandments given by Jesus Christ that are described above - particularly "Do on to others are you would like for them to do to you".

I don't agree with you.

The old covenant is abolished by the death of Jesus on the cross .

The old covenant has to do with killings of animals as sin offerings & peace offerings .

The sledding of animal blood for cleansing of sins was a temporary measure meant to be abolished by the coming of the Messiah .

It is animal blood rituals that are no longer necessary in this period of grace.
The laws like killings , stealing , adultery , idolatry etc are not abolished .

The Pharisees and Sadducees are keepers of the laws and Jesus says our righteousness should exceed those of the Pharisees .
The reason being that we are under the leading of the Holy Spirit who makes our bodies his temples.

Kobojunkie:

In addition, Jesus Christ also warns His followers against trying to mix Old Wine with New Wine by explaining the devastating results of saving Old wine in new WineSkin and then New Wine in Old WineSkin.

Respectfully, Old Wine and New Wine had and has Absolutely Nothing to Do with The Laws!

It is rather about "Habits" and the Associated Difficulty Experienced in Taking Up Completely Different Conduct Contrary to what you previously knew and loved, exactly as what you are experiencing with my presentation.

OkCornel:


My dear, the new covenant which is a better one than the old covenant still have laws one must obey as a follower of Christ. Non-negotiable.

The standards of the new covenant are higher than the old covenant (Mosaic Laws). A good example of this where the things Jesus preached in Matthew 5.

Exactly . For examples :


Matthew 5:21-22,27-28 KJV
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
[22] But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

[27] Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
[28] But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.


Like you said , the grace cones with a higher standard of laws and obedience .

Thank you .

enilove:
I don't agree with you.
The old covenant is abolished by the death of Jesus on the cross .

Well, Jesus Christ Himself told you that He has not come to abolish the Old Covenant law. So to suggest that His death somehow did something Jesus Christ said He never came to do is to call Jesus Christ a liar.

Abolish

formally put an end to (a system, practice, or institution).

What Jesus Christ instead did was fulfill the requirements of the Old Covenant on behalf of those of Israel who will choose Him.

Matthew 5 vs 17(ESV)
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17. “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
18. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
19. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

enilove:
The old covenant has to do with killings of animals as sin offerings & peace offerings .

The Old Covenant was designed for the people who are descended from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob - those who forever inherit the land of Canaan. That covenant, as Jesus Christ reiterated, is an eternal covenant... Heaven and Earth will pass away but God's contract with the people of Israel will never pass away.

Matthew 5 vs 17(ESV)
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17. “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
18. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
19. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

enilove:
The sledding of animal blood for cleansing of sins was a temporary measure meant to be abolished by the coming of the Messiah .
It is animal blood rituals that are no longer necessary in this period of grace.
The laws like killings , stealing , adultery , idolatry etc are not abolished .
The Pharisees and Sadducees are keepers of the laws and Jesus says our righteousness should exceed those of the Pharisees .
The reason being that we are under the leading of the Holy Spirit who makes our bodies his temples.

Again, Jesus Christ is the Truth of God. If the Truth of God says He did not come to abolish the covenant, why do you keep insisting that He did what He emphatically told you He did not come to do.

Israelites are still expected by God to honor their agreement with Him regularly. They are still required to obey His commandments to them. That is God's deal with them and those foreigners who choose to live in the land of Israel.

Dtruthspeaker:


Why do you guys not hear "I have not come to abolish The Law?"

Which Old Law is Not In Force today?

Search and see if you can find any!

All The Items in Mathew 5 are contained in The Law!

Raise any up and I will show you it's corresponding Law!

The things Jesus spoke of in Matthew 5 are higher requirements than the Laws of Moses. For example compare Jesus’ standard on adultery, revenge etc.

You’ll see Jesus requires a higher standard from His followers.

Our righteousness must exceed that of the Pharisees and the Sadducees who were custodians of the Mosaic Law. A higher standard is required of Christ’s followers.

Dtruthspeaker:


Since you knew, then you should not have raised this thread!

No one knows it all. We are all learners .

Dtruthspeaker:
Is this not contradictory? First you say
Then you say above
A Law can not be both in Force and Repealed at the same time, for when it is repealed, it is extinguished, therefore, it can not have any force.

Eg "PMS is now 212 per litre"/We are not increasing the price of PMS in March!

Confusion!! Exactly the type we have today in the country, which is Why No Law can be in Force and be Repealed at the Same Time! No, not ever!

I perceive that you would not answer me but I wish to reasonably understand what kind of religion you are into, which is why I am reasonably but most Truthfully Presenting my disagreement with you for due resolution.

You don't read at all before you respond to posts.

My comments are very clear on the meaning implied. Yet somehow it still goes over your head.. how? I don't know. I want to respond but I am lost as to how it is I can help you.

Abolish

formally put an end to (a system, practice, or institution).

Kobojunkie:
Well, Jesus Christ Himself told you that He has not come to abolish the Old Covenant law. So to suggest that His death somehow did something Jesus Christ said He never came to do is to call Jesus Christ a liar.

What Jesus Christ instead did was fulfill the requirements of the Old Covenant on behalf of those of Israel who will choose Him.


The Old Covenant was designed for the people who are descended from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob - those who forever inherit the land of Canaan. That covenant, as Jesus Christ reiterated, is an eternal covenant... Heaven and Earth will pass away but God's contract with the people of Israel will never pass away.


Again, Jesus Christ is the Truth of God. If the Truth of God says He did not come to abolish the covenant, why do you keep insisting that He did what He emphatically told you He did not come to do.

Israelites are still expected by God to honor their agreement with Him regularly. They are still required to obey His commandments to them. That is God's deal with them and those foreigners who choose to live in the land of Israel.

There is a difference between a covenant and a law .

Jesus says he has not come to abolish the laws and not covenant.

The scriptures make us to know that the old and new covenant are not running concurrently :

Hebrews 8:7-8 KJV
For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
[8] For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

enilove:
There is a difference between a covenant and a law .

If you read carefully through the New Testament and the Old in many translations, the Old Covenant is typically referred to as "The Law" as in "The Book of the Law" or the "Law of Moses". Notice the word "Law" is capitalized in both instances.

So, when you read of the "Book of the Law" what is in fact being referred to is the Old Covenant and not just a single law/commandment.

enilove:
Jesus says he has not come to abolish the laws and not covenant.

With that in mind, you now see that since the reference to Law is indeed capitalized, Jesus Christ was indeed referring to the Old Covenant as a whole and not just a single law.

Matthew 5 vs 17(ESV)
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17. “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
18. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
19. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

If you are still in doubt, look at what Jesus said in verse 19, rather than use the singular for a commandment, He instead used the plural form of the word since Covenants contain numerous commandments.

The Old Covenant contains 613 commandments whereas the New Covenant contains only about 46 commandments - definitely a lighter yoke.

enilove:
The scriptures make us to know that the old and new covenant are not running concurrently :

Hebrews 8:7-8 KJV
For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
[8] For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Well, you either accept(trust) and obey the teachings/Commandments of Jesus Christ or you reject His teachings; it is up to you.
What we are taught, however, as followers of Jesus Christ, by Jesus Christ Himself(God's own Truth) is that He did not abolish the Old Covenant and since both Old and New are everlasting covenants, indeed both run concurrently for eternity.

Kobojunkie:
If you read carefully through the New Testament and the Old in many translations, the Old Covenant is typically referred to as "The Law" as in "The Book of the Law" or the "Law of Moses". Notice the word "Law" is capitalized in both instances.

So, when you read of the "Book of the Law" what is in fact being referred to is the Old Covenant and not just a single law/commandment.
With that in mind, you now see that since the reference to Law is indeed capitalized, Jesus Christ was indeed referring to the Old Covenant as a whole and not just a single law.
If you are still in doubt, look at what Jesus said in verse 19, rather than use the singular for a commandment, He instead used the plural form of the word since Covenants contain numerous commandments.

The Old Covenant contains 613 commandments whereas the New Covenant contains only about 46 commandments - definitely a lighter yoke.
Well, you either accept(trust) and obey the teachings/Commandments of Jesus Christ or you reject His teachings; it is up to you.
What we are taught, however, as followers of Jesus Christ, by Jesus Christ Himself(God's own Truth) is that He did not abolish the Old Covenant and since both Old and New are everlasting covenants, indeed both run concurrently for eternity.

Bro, please can you help me with the 46 commandments of the new covenant. It will go a long way in clarifying a lot.

Thanks in advance bro.

Kobojunkie:
If you read carefully through the New Testament and the Old in many translations, the Old Covenant is typically referred to as "The Law" as in "The Book of the Law" or the "Law of Moses". Notice the word "Law" is capitalized in both instances.

So, when you read of the "Book of the Law" what is in fact being referred to is the Old Covenant and not just a single law/commandment.
With that in mind, you now see that since the reference to Law is indeed capitalized, Jesus Christ was indeed referring to the Old Covenant as a whole and not just a single law.
If you are still in doubt, look at what Jesus said in verse 19, rather than use the singular for a commandment, He instead used the plural form of the word since Covenants contain numerous commandments.

The Old Covenant contains 613 commandments whereas the New Covenant contains only about 46 commandments - definitely a lighter yoke.
Well, you either accept(trust) and obey the teachings/Commandments of Jesus Christ or you reject His teachings; it is up to you.
What we are taught, however, as followers of Jesus Christ, by Jesus Christ Himself(God's own Truth) is that He did not abolish the Old Covenant and since both Old and New are everlasting covenants, indeed both run concurrently for eternity.

We are even forgetting the everlasting covenant God had with mankind (i.e. Noah and his sons) in Genesis 9

That makes it 3 covenants running I guess.

Genesis 9 also played out in Act 15 (not eating meat with blood in it) and in the Mosaic laws too...

The scriptures are quite interesting if we see the bigger picture.

Dtruthspeaker:


Why do you guys not hear "I have not come to abolish The Law?"

Which Old Law is Not In Force today?

Search and see if you can find any!

All The Items in Mathew 5 are contained in The Law!

Raise any up and I will show you it's corresponding Law!

1. Animal sacrifice
2. Stoning adulterers
3. Tithing (people don argue this one tire)
4. Cities of refuge for those who committed manslaughter.
5. Cutting off a woman’s hand for squeezing the testicles of a man.
6. Men with crushed testicles cannot join the assembly of men presenting themselves before the Lord


And many much more.

I can add scriptural references if you disagree.

Bear in mind, the mosaic laws were 613 instructions. Not just the 10 commandments.

Topic makes no sense.

Kobojunkie:
If you read carefully through the New Testament and the Old in many translations, the Old Covenant is typically referred to as "The Law" as in "The Book of the Law" or the "Law of Moses". Notice the word "Law" is capitalized in both instances.

So, when you read of the "Book of the Law" what is in fact being referred to is the Old Covenant and not just a single law/commandment.
With that in mind, you now see that since the reference to Law is indeed capitalized, Jesus Christ was indeed referring to the Old Covenant as a whole and not just a single law.
If you are still in doubt, look at what Jesus said in verse 19, rather than use the singular for a commandment, He instead used the plural form of the word since Covenants contain numerous commandments.

The Old Covenant contains 613 commandments whereas the New Covenant contains only about 46 commandments - definitely a lighter yoke.
Well, you either accept(trust) and obey the teachings/Commandments of Jesus Christ or you reject His teachings; it is up to you.
What we are taught, however, as followers of Jesus Christ, by Jesus Christ Himself(God's own Truth) is that He did not abolish the Old Covenant and since both Old and New are everlasting covenants, indeed both run concurrently for eternity.

That means you are rejecting or saying Hebrew 8: 7-8 is wrong .

Did you not read in the old testament that God will make a NEW covenant with Israel and Judah?
The Bible did not say with the GENTILES but with Israel :

Jeremiah 31:31-33 KJV
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
[32] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord :
[33] But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Why would God make a new covenant with Israel and keep the old one with the same people ?

OkCornel:


Bro, please can you help me with the 46 commandments of the new covenant. It will go a long way in clarifying a lot.

Thanks in advance bro.

I don't have a complete list of them separated out for myself either. And it is difficult because if you read through the gospels they appear in different orders and bundles.

But I like how, beginning from Matthew 5 through Matthew 13, there are defined a long list of them. I will do my best, over the next week to see how I can organize and post them please.

OkCornel:

We are even forgetting the everlasting covenant God had with mankind (i.e. Noah and his sons) in Genesis 9

That makes it 3 covenants running I guess.

Genesis 9 also played out in Act 15 (not eating meat with blood in it) and in the Mosaic laws too...

The scriptures are quite interesting if we see the bigger picture.

There is also the first "Covenant" made by God to Adam(applies to all those who die in sin) , that God redeclares in Ezekiel 18.

It is more a judgement than a covenant since God basically condemned Adam and those who are unbelievers that to Die(perish in the grave) when they take their last breath on Earth. God never declared it as an "eternal" covenant so it probably runs until the last human dies. And since Jesus Christ never revoked it since it was God's own judgement against the "dead", and God is God the living, and not God of the dead, it is still in place to this day.

Hi there. It is vital to know that Jesus did not say that He came not to destroy the law.

His words:

““Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:17‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

He actually said “The Law or the Prophets”.

When a word is removed from scriptures, it gives the text a different meaning or perspective to what was intended by the author or speaker.

To start with, the Law doesn’t refer to the
moral laws or commandments given by Moses. It refers to the first five books of the Bible traditionally believed to have been written by Moses.

Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy.

Likewise, the prophets also refer to the books written by the Prophets in the Old Testament.

Why did Jesus make this statement?

The way He made use of the Law and the Prophets was completely different from how the scribes and Pharisees used them.

By his setting up to be a teacher in opposition to the scribes and Pharisees, some might charge him with an intention to destroy their law, and to abolish the customs of the nation. He therefore told them that he did not come for that end, but really to fulfill or accomplish what was in the law and the prophets.

The Law and the Prophets were written because of Christ Jesus. His coming, sufferings and resurrection were foretold in the Law.

“And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel.””
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:15‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

“I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭18:18‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

This was why He said Moses wrote of Him.

“For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:46‬ ‭NKJV‬‬



It was also foretold in the Prophets.

““Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your King is coming to you; He is just and having salvation, Lowly and riding on a donkey, A colt, the foal of a donkey.”
‭‭Zechariah‬ ‭9:9‬ ‭NKJV‬‬


““But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Though you are little among the thousands of Judah, Yet out of you shall come forth to Me The One to be Ruler in Israel, Whose goings forth are from of old, From everlasting.””
‭‭Micah‬ ‭5:2‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Then the prophecy of the Prophet Isaiah in Isaiah 53, to mention but a few.

So when Jesus said He came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets, He meant He came to fulfill all that was written about Him in the Law and the Prophets. Jesus is the fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecies.

Notice what He says in the next verse.

“For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:18‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Everything written about Him in the Law and the Prophets must be fulfilled before the heaven and the earth pass away.

Also observe what He told the disciples.

“And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:27‬ ‭NKJV‬‬


“Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.””
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:44‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

In summary, the entire Old Testament was written because of Christ and He became the fulfillment of all that was written.

All you need to do is come and learn what true Christianity means from the true Christians (JWs) it will not cost you a dime!

The Bible revealed two covenants:
The Mosaic Law covenant with which God engaged (only) the nation of Israel.
And
The Christ's Law covenant with which God engaged faithful people from all nations.

When Jesus came he perfectly LIVE and FULFILLED the Mosaic Law, then he was hanged on a tree so Jesus died with the Mosaic Law. {Galatians 3:24-25} Therefore a Christian has nothing as in NOTHING to do with whatever that old law says! Romans 10:4
Answer to your question!
Know today that Christ is now our own Law, therefore i can kill, steal, coveth or commit any other thing you might think of only if Jesus also practice such things! 1Peter 2:21
I don't need the law all i need is Jesus, as long as i keep looking faithfully unto Jesus and following his footsteps closely as my role model i'm greater than all those who live by the Mosaic law! Matthew 11:11
May you have PEACE!

enilove:

I have a question for you .
The law says , '' thou shall not kill '' .
Is this abolished ?

Kobojunkie:
I don't have a complete list of them separated out for myself either. And it is difficult because if you read through the gospels they appear in different orders and bundles.

But I like how, beginning from Matthew 5 through Matthew 13, there are defined a long list of them. I will do my best, over the next week to see how I can organize and post them please.

Thanks bro, much appreciated.

MaxInDHouse:
All you need to do is come and learn what true Christianity means from the true Christians (JWs) it will not cost you a dime!

The Bible revealed two covenants:
The Mosaic Law covenant with which God engaged (only) the nation of Israel.
And
The Christ's Law covenant with which God engaged faithful people from all nations.

When Jesus came he perfectly LIVE and FULFILLED the Mosaic Law, then he was hanged on a tree so Jesus died with the Mosaic Law. {Galatians 3:24-25} Therefore a Christian has nothing as in NOTHING to do with whatever that old law says! Romans 10:4
Answer to your question!
Know today that Christ is now our own Law, therefore i can kill, steal, coveth or commit any other thing you might think of only if Jesus also practice such things! 1Peter 2:21
I don't need the law all i need is Jesus, as long as i keep looking faithfully unto Jesus and following his footsteps closely as my role model i'm greater than all those who live by the Mosaic law! Matthew 11:11
May you have PEACE!

How did Jesus die with the law ?

How would you teach your children the way of the Lord without references to the laws ?

How would they know it is not good to steal ?

How would they know it is a sin to look at the unclothedness of their parents ?

How will your children know that eating or drinking of blood is wrong without you making reference to the laws ?

You have heard from Jesus that he did not come to abolish the laws and anyone who teaches others to disobey it shall be condemned in heaven

enilove:


How did Jesus die with the law ?

How would you teach your children the way of the Lord without references to the laws ?

How would they know it is not good to steal ?

How would they know it is a sin to look at the unclothedness of their parents ?

How will your children know that eating or drinking of blood is wrong without you making reference to the laws ?

You have heard from Jesus that he did not come to abolish the laws and anyone who teaches others to disobey it shall be condemned in heaven

What believers do not understand is that the new covenant is a Law itself to be obeyed. An improvement or an upgrade (or replacement, depending on one’s level of understanding) of the old covenant

"Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say? - Luke 6 v 46