BluntTheApostle:


As usual, you will drag the FG into it.

You Christians claim to be the light to the world, and yet the FG is your benchmark. Is Christ not supposed to be the benchmark? Would Christ have run an expensive school?

So, offering is for operation and outreaches?

Is CU not a part of outreaches?

Abi did Oyedepo not mention it in his official page that the school is founded on a Christian mission?

And what is the Christian mission? Is that not the tenet of outreaches and church operations?

Christ asked whoever desires to build a house to sit down and count the cost. Thats what is going on here. You desire an education with 24 hour power, water, good classroom, well stocked libraries? you sit down and count the cost on yourself and not on subsidy funded by offering meant for meat in God's house. That your own christian altitude of asking for everything to be done for you is actually almajiri and rankadede-ish

Antoeni:
WHEN THE CHURCH BECOMES A BUSINESS

1) Pastors function like CEOs
2) Members are turned into customers
3) Other churches are seen as competitions
4) Evangelism is reduced to marketing
5) Church planting looks more like franchising.

6) Numbers are primary measure of success
7) Prayer and Word study are replaced by formulas
Revival is reduced to a few days fund-raising
program
9) Preaching sounds more like motivational speech. All the people do is shout "I receive, Amen," throughout the concert. I mean the "service".

10) Praise and Worship is turned into a
performance. The best actors are made the worship and praise leaders.
11) The Spirit of God is reduced to "emotionalism". No real power of God other than hypnosis and sensationalism.

12) The saints are entertained instead of equipped
13) Disciples of Christ have become papa's sons, daughters and fans.
14) The Church, a living Body has now become a lifeless body
15) A leader's empire is built instead of the
Kingdom of God advanced
16) The pastor becomes the super man and Jesus Christ reduced to just another religious figure.

Unfortunately, this is what many modern churches are becoming.
It is well.

JayJohnson:


Send me your account number, please

Person wey never see food chop dey make mouth

Kingdomtruth:
you talked about Jesus Christ according to John 1 being the GRACE and TRUTH Oof God, which is true. I also remember that: The essence of these exchanges, is on GRACE being misconstrued as a license to indulge sin...Which I defer from, by saying that GRACE correctly defined, is the ability and empowerment to do what hitherto we could not do;because we now have power called GRACE to be able to do it though, we couldn't do it before for lack of the said GRACE. I also remember saying that: It's because of this GRACE that we as Christians should not indulge sin as oppose to Mr Myer's narrative( the first guy I quoted) who believes that Christians indulge sin because they believe that GRACE covers them even though they sin; which I strongly refuted and opposed to be untrue.

However, referring to John 1 that you quoted, John was only saying that "Grace and Truth"came through Jesus Christ only by the power of the holy spirit which also embodies GRACE. I.e as the holy spirit comes upon you, it comes with a power called GRACE to help you do those things you could not do before( to help you live righteously the same way you could not live before because of sin). Just as it also comes with truth, to teach you about Christ and to reveal spiritual truth to those that have it. Reason the HOLY SPIRIT is called the spirit of TRUTH and also of GRACE.

I am sorry, what?
What you have stated above does not even agree with the teachings of Jesus Christ, the TRUTH of God, that you speak of. How do you go about reconciling the fact that what your claim you believe does not line up with the Truth of God, Jesus Christ Himself?

Kingdomtruth:
Finally, I do not believe that GRACE comes through our obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ as I understand from your comment. But I do believe however, that firstly: The teachings of Jesus Christ help us with Faith that causes us to receive salvation after we professed Him by Faith. Having so professed Him and are saved;then, His Spirit (which is the HOLY SPIRIT) comes with GRACE to help us live in righteousness as God wants us to live. Thanks and God bless you brodaman...Shalom!

As you were told in John Chapter 3 vs 16-21, Grace(eternal life) comes through the obedience of one of Jesus Christ's commandments which is that if you believe in Him(believe He is from God, are baptized, and eat of His body and drink of His blood), you will be redeemed from Death, and instead gifted with Eternal life(Grace) by Him. This is one of the few commandments that come with a blessing attached to it.

So why do you believe, against what you read there, that grace does not come through your accepting and obeying a commandment, something that is made clear to you right there in John 3 vs 16-21?

The teachings of Jesus Christ is the Truth of Jesus Christ - He is the Law and His teachings are the very definitions of that which is Sin for those who are in His flock - and according to His teaching it is indeed by accepting and obeying His commandments that you can receive His Spirit. So, again, why do you deny what is written right there in the book for you to obey?

John 15 vs 1-11(ESV)
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1. “I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser.
2. Every branch in me that does not bear fruit he takes away, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit.
3. Already you are clean because of the word that I have spoken to you.
4. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me.
5. I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he, it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing.
6. If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned.
7. If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.
8. By this my Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit and so prove to be my disciples.
9. As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Abide in my love.
10. If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.
11. These things I have spoken to you, that my joy may be in you, and that your joy may be full.

Jesus Christ obeyed His Father's commandments and calls you to do the very same in order that He and the Father may abide in you. Are you saying that Jesus Christ lied?

desiredhome:

Person wey never see food chop dey make mouth

DM me your account and see if I don't send you 25k, we will know who is hungry between me and you, I dare you to send your account number!!

Kobojunkie:
I am sorry, what?
What you have stated above does not even agree with the teachings of Jesus Christ, the TRUTH of God, that you speak of. How do you go about reconciling the fact that what your claim you believe does not line up with the Truth of God, Jesus Christ Himself?
As you were told in John Chapter 3 vs 16-21, Grace(eternal life) comes through the obedience of one of Jesus Christ's commandments which is that if you believe in Him(believe He is from God, are baptized, and eat of His body and drink of His blood), you will be redeemed from Death, and instead gifted with Eternal life(Grace) by Him. This is one of the few commandments that come with a blessing attached to it.

So why do you believe, against what you read there, that grace does not come through your accepting and obeying a commandment, something that is made clear to you right there in John 3 vs 16-21?

The teachings of Jesus Christ is the Truth of Jesus Christ - He is the Law and His teachings are the very definitions of that which is Sin for those who are in His flock - and according to His teaching it is indeed by accepting and obeying His commandments that you can receive His Spirit. So, again, why do you deny what is written right there in the book for you to obey?

Jesus Christ obeyed His Father's commandments and calls you to do the very same in order that He and the Father may abide in you. Are you saying that Jesus Christ lied?

Good evening bro. I think you re really mixing up things here. you wrote about GRACE(eternal life) coming through obedience to Christ commandments and teachings. And then again, you talk about being gifted with eternal life which is also GRACE in another sense according to you. If that's your base point, then I would beg to differ with you. Not for the purpose of competing with you for whatever reason, but to set a perspective about the TRUTH that you and I believe in.

First off, no one gifts you eternal life as your comment tries to suggest. But it is true that we've been given the gift of GRACE through our union with Christ Jesus to help us work out for our eternal life. Reason Paul the apostle advised us to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. And by this GRACE, it means we now have the power to live the way God wants us to live in righteousness.

Secondly, GRACE however, does not equate eternal life. while it is true and necessary that we obey Christ teachings and commandments for eternal life, we only need to have Faith and believe after hearing the message of Christ Jesus, before we will receive GRACE through His spirit that will now come upon us as people who believe. we receive this GRACE not because we've done anything or observed any rules and regulations or commandments,but just because we believe in Him(Christ Jesus).

Telling a Christian to obey God's teachings and commandments without His GRACE is like telling a man to conceive and give birth to a baby. It is that impossible my brother. Because, as flesh and blood; we do not have the power to satisfy the righteous demands of God's LAW because of the weakness of our FLESH. Reason Christ told His disciples that: It is not possible with human beings, but with God everything is possible.

So my brother, putting it simply and straightforward, this is how it goes: we first hear the message, then FAITH will be birthed because of the message. Then, we confess Him(Christ) as our Lord and believe that he died and God raised Him from death. then, we will be saved. Then the Spirit will come upon us though undeveloped. And as the Spirit comes, it comes with GRACE to help us to obey Christ's teachings and commandments aimed at making us to conform to his image and likeness. It is only and only if we continue to obey those teachings and commandments and stay soo conformed to his image and likeness that we can be sure of ETERNAL LIFE bro. Else, I'm afraid there's no other way. So, take note that: GRACE does not equate eternal life; but that, GRACE gives us the power to obey God's words and live righteously which in turn, guarantees us ETERNAL LIFE. And lastly, we do not obey God's commandments and teachings to receive GRACE, but we receive GRACE first to help us obey God's teachings and commandments. Hope that's clear enough...Thanks and remain bless brodaman

IMASTEX:

Words....

Antoeni:
WHEN THE CHURCH BECOMES A BUSINESS

1) Pastors function like CEOs
2) Members are turned into customers
3) Other churches are seen as competitions
4) Evangelism is reduced to marketing
5) Church planting looks more like franchising.

6) Numbers are primary measure of success
7) Prayer and Word study are replaced by formulas
Revival is reduced to a few days fund-raising
program
9) Preaching sounds more like motivational speech. All the people do is shout "I receive, Amen," throughout the concert. I mean the "service".

10) Praise and Worship is turned into a
performance. The best actors are made the worship and praise leaders.
11) The Spirit of God is reduced to "emotionalism". No real power of God other than hypnosis and sensationalism.

12) The saints are entertained instead of equipped
13) Disciples of Christ have become papa's sons, daughters and fans.
14) The Church, a living Body has now become a lifeless body
15) A leader's empire is built instead of the
Kingdom of God advanced
16) The pastor becomes the super man and Jesus Christ reduced to just another religious figure.

@Antoeni

Someone in Nairaland ask me trice to tell him why I dont trust these pastors/preachers. I didn't answer him because I don't want to find myself pointing out the secret sins of this pastors.

I want to forward your write up to him

Lostchild:


@Antoeni

Someone in Nairaland ask me trice to tell him why I dont trust these pastors/preachers. I didn't answer him because I don't want to find myself pointing out the secret sins of this pastors.

I want to forward your write up to him

Bros, is there anything hidden under the sun?
Is the truth more important to you than their business centers?

Pls, spill the beans, nothing do you
NL is a public forum.

CoolAmbience:



Keep living in the blind world of religion.

I do not see the relevance of your questions.

First, the population of out of school children should tell you that, that percentage was even conservative.

Whether these schools contain everyone isn't the question. What is important is the question of increased access to quality education, which these churches have further compounded by their bogus fees.

You are asking of I have had of Landmark University?

How much is the tuition fee that is free, and what is the balance amount undergraduates studying Agric related courses are expected to pay?

My position is simple, if there is a component of society that should drive education at a very subsized rate in Nigeria and across Africa, it is the religious organisations.... Sadly, that isn't the case.

Why is it the religious body and not the government? Do the citizens not pay tax?

How many schools do Muslims have or are they not religion too?

Churches has no business in building schools. Since they are helping the government, you should be happy no matter the cost.

Everybody can't be at the same level financially. Attend the one that is your financial level and stop hating.

Should those who can't afford Domino pizza fight against it when Amala joint or Calabar kitchen is around the corner?

Myer:


Juxtapose his preaching with 1 Timothy 6:5-12 especially the bolded.

b]useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. [c]From (D)such withdraw yourself.

6 Now godliness with (E)contentment is great gain. 7 For we brought nothing into this world, [d]and it is (F)certain we can carry nothing out. 8 And having food and clothing, with these we shall be (G)content. 9 But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition. 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

11 But you, O man of God, flee these things and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, gentleness. 12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession in the presence of many witnesses.

Which church do you attend, let's make a comparison here on finance.

May God help us..