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Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by Kobojunkie: 11:03pm On Mar 14, 2021 |
Kingdomtruth:You are wrong. Jesus Christ, the one who is full of grace that you speak of, is the New Covenant that God promised His people. And Grace refers to the Teachings/commandments of the New Covenant, Jesus Christ, for it is through your acceptance(trust) and obedience of His grace(teachings/commandments) that Jesus Christ instructs that you will become Sons of God. Those of you who refuse to accept and His teachings can never become Sons of God, or Jesus Christ is declared a Liar and God the Father of Lies. |
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by desiredhome: 11:10pm On Mar 14, 2021 |
JayJohnson:Your problem is ignorant and lack of understanding, that is the reason you can't understand simple explanation.... it's only in Nigeria that everyone are rich on social media while in real life they are begger/living from hand to mouth,.... continue living in your illusion... |
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by BluntTheApostle(m): 11:12pm On Mar 14, 2021 |
stancydg: First of all, I never said people will stop going to church. I am saying the number of churchgoers will drop, and people like Oyedepo will feel a reduction in income. In the United States, the most religious states are black dominated states, and these states are also the poorest. About 60% of Americans are religious. But how many white Americans go to church? But you see the black Americans filling up churches every Sunday. Their pastors are wealthy, and own megachurches. Yet black dominated American states are the poorest. |
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by AmDayo: 11:31pm On Mar 14, 2021 |
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by Kingdomtruth: 11:36pm On Mar 14, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: pls kindly refer me to the biblical scripture that you've just quoted about Grace being the teachings and commandment of God. Just want to be sure it was not quoted out of context... Tanx |
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by yakson123: 11:54pm On Mar 14, 2021 |
Myer:IF YOU WANT TO KNOW and learn on how to be righteous come to winners If you want to know how to be rich in a Godly way come to winners All round transformation my brother All this una noise no go reach anything sha Because remove the church from Nigeria now You will be left with Nothing |
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by Kobojunkie: 12:13am On Mar 15, 2021 |
Kingdomtruth:In John 1, you find where John tells you that Jesus Chris the Grace and Truth of God The grace we have through Jesus Christ refers to the salvation we receive through the obedience of His one commandment that if we believe in Him, we are saved from the Condemnation of Sin(Death) and gifted instead with eternal life(grace upon grace). Now, according to the teachings above, Salvation is from the condemnation of sin(Death) and not from sin itself. Also, Salvation does not guarantee eternity in Heaven. If you look closely, there is no promise of Heaven included in the above, only a promise of eternal life and eternal life can be spent in either of Heaven or Hell. Next is Jesus Christ's teaching on how to overcome sin, by transitioning from being a slave to sin, and becoming a Son of God. Then in John 15, Jesus Christ also declares that it is in those who abide(accept(trust) and obey His teachings) that He and His Father will abide in.
Let me know if I missed anything. |
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by Nobody: 12:43am On Mar 15, 2021 |
desiredhome: Unfortunately, people like you will think everyone is your mate on nairaland, I don't blame people like you hiding behind Tecno phone to write rvbbish though. Some of us could feed some people for years, just continue yearning rvbbish. Ti Olubadan ba wo knicker, o mo egbe baba eni to n"se |
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by blackpanda: 4:58am On Mar 15, 2021 |
specialmati: Fake pastors false scam prophets |
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by Jayrockk: 7:07am On Mar 15, 2021 |
Antoeni:in a thousand years you will never achieve 1% of what he has achieved |
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by Myer(m): 7:28am On Mar 15, 2021 |
Antoeni: You've said it all. Nothing to add or remove. 1 Like |
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by Nobody: 8:40am On Mar 15, 2021 |
BluntTheApostle: Oga how is the school a missionary school? Did they tell you that school built by churches in Abroad are cheap? Please check the meaning of missionary and stop throwing words around any how. |
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by Nobody: 8:44am On Mar 15, 2021 |
CoolAmbience: How didn't you come about the statistics that 99% of the church members can't attend the school? Please can you tell us where those who attend the school came from? Lastly if the school is free, will it accommodate all the children of those who attend the church? Have you heard about Landmark built by the same church that they give free tuition for any agricultural course of your choice? Waiting for your answer |
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by Nobody: 8:46am On Mar 15, 2021 |
CoolAmbience: Europe that colonize us and whom we use it's language model shouldn't be a yardstick because it doesn't favor your narrative? |
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by Nobody: 8:47am On Mar 15, 2021 |
GEEBITE: This is a private school in the US? |
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by Nobody: 8:49am On Mar 15, 2021 |
Jaqenhghar: Really! So we can judge institution by the number of arm robbers caught who attended them? |
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by Nobody: 8:53am On Mar 15, 2021 |
Myer: When I was there, I was shocked to find out that the noise about him preaching prosperity messages was wrong. The point is that, the so call righteousness message is misunderstood. Because of the misunderstanding, people view others messages with bias mind. |
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by Standing5(m): 9:46am On Mar 15, 2021 |
BluntTheApostle:Missionary schools aren't meant to be cheap, they are meant to aid a mission. Cost is largely a function of value addition and inputs. Stop vibrating emotionally there. |
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by Jaqenhghar: 10:01am On Mar 15, 2021 |
soulpeppersoup:Yes. If the institution has lots of armed robbers then yes its nothing less than a den of thieves. Let me give you an example. The average cultist will tell you that their group is promoting unity or empowerong youths. But what they say and what they do are two different things. Do we say becauee they say they are for empowerment so we overlook the murder and mayhem? |
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by CoolAmbience(m): 10:47am On Mar 15, 2021 |
soulpeppersoup: What are you even saying? Did you have to misrepresent facts to make a point? Europe didn't colonize us, UK did. Europe isn't a country. |
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by Myer(m): 10:51am On Mar 15, 2021 |
soulpeppersoup: Juxtapose his preaching with 1 Timothy 6:5-12 especially the bolded. b]useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. [c]From (D)such withdraw yourself. 6 Now godliness with (E)contentment is great gain. 7 For we brought nothing into this world, [d]and it is (F)certain we can carry nothing out. 8 And having food and clothing, with these we shall be (G)content. 9 But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition. 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 11 But you, O man of God, flee these things and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, gentleness. 12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession in the presence of many witnesses. |
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by CoolAmbience(m): 11:01am On Mar 15, 2021 |
soulpeppersoup: Keep living in the blind world of religion. I do not see the relevance of your questions. First, the population of out of school children should tell you that, that percentage was even conservative. Whether these schools contain everyone isn't the question. What is important is the question of increased access to quality education, which these churches have further compounded by their bogus fees. You are asking of I have had of Landmark University? How much is the tuition fee that is free, and what is the balance amount undergraduates studying Agric related courses are expected to pay? My position is simple, if there is a component of society that should drive education at a very subsized rate in Nigeria and across Africa, it is the religious organisations.... Sadly, that isn't the case. |
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by Dawinlove(m): 11:14am On Mar 15, 2021 |
Myer: Jesus saying it will be hard for a rich man was because the rich man in Mark 10 said he does all things but Jesus said one thing is lacking "go sell all u have and give to the poor" the man went out sorrowfully cos he had a great possession -this connotes money gotten by oneself,wealth acquired by self. when God bless you, he does not rush you but see you have the capacity to carry what he gives u per time so that, you will recognize he blessed you and also make the kingdom of God. ROM 8:6 for to be can ally minded is death- death comes when your spirit man is not alive to the things of God and you are in love with gold. But,to be spiritually minded is life and peace- a wealthy man in the kingdom has given to get to where he is. Kingdom prosperity is a principle- God plan is to make us rich and also to make heaven. You have not been to winners,you should try listening to Oyedepo teaching. I have once condemned this man until I began to follow his ministry and it has blessed me..He has no teaching without the foundation of salvation. Gods kingdom must prosper through prosperity and it takes givers in the kingdom to promote the gospel. The more you give,the more you are blessed. So its a law. To the unbeliever,its hard to sell all and start afresh with God to bless him. They know how they got that money so,God want them to start earning his own way cos,in his way is peace and eternity. But the canal man will find it difficult to let go of his gotten gold by self input,greed ,pride etc and focus on Gods prosperity plan 3Jhn 2 |
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by Kingdomtruth: 11:31am On Mar 15, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: Good morning bro.First off, I'd like to address the very first point you've raised here. Also note that: we're all partners in Christ Jesus. And I believe our one desire is to learn from each other and to tell ourselves the truth rather than a mere desire to argue. That being said. you talked about Jesus Christ according to John 1 being the GRACE and TRUTH Oof God, which is true. I also remember that: The essence of these exchanges, is on GRACE being misconstrued as a license to indulge sin...Which I defer from, by saying that GRACE correctly defined, is the ability and empowerment to do what hitherto we could not do;because we now have power called GRACE to be able to do it though, we couldn't do it before for lack of the said GRACE. I also remember saying that: It's because of this GRACE that we as Christians should not indulge sin as oppose to Mr Myer's narrative( the first guy I quoted) who believes that Christians indulge sin because they believe that GRACE covers them even though they sin; which I strongly refuted and opposed to be untrue. However, referring to John 1 that you quoted, John was only saying that "Grace and Truth"came through Jesus Christ only by the power of the holy spirit which also embodies GRACE. I.e as the holy spirit comes upon you, it comes with a power called GRACE to help you do those things you could not do before( to help you live righteously the same way you could not live before because of sin). Just as it also comes with truth, to teach you about Christ and to reveal spiritual truth to those that have it. Reason the HOLY SPIRIT is called the spirit of TRUTH and also of GRACE. Finally, I do not believe that GRACE comes through our obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ as I understand from your comment. But I do believe however, that firstly: The teachings of Jesus Christ help us with Faith that causes us to receive salvation after we professed Him by Faith. Having so professed Him and are saved;then, His Spirit (which is the HOLY SPIRIT) comes with GRACE to help us live in righteousness as God wants us to live. Thanks and God bless you brodaman...Shalom! |
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by BluntTheApostle(m): 11:37am On Mar 15, 2021 |
Standing5: They are meant to aid a mission abi? Then how come Oyedepo makes it appear like they don't even earn through CU? With the amount (untaxed) that he gets every Sunday and weekday directly and through remittance, he still makes his missionary school expensive, and you are here telling me bullshit. Nonsense! Oyedepo has enough to make that school affordable. One Sunday offering at Ota can settle staff salaries. Remittances from a couple of churches overseas can settle all the paltry salaries he pays his graduate and non-graduate pastors. But the man is the definition of GREED. He would rather buy luxury jets that he needs a lot of money to maintain. The Early Church was not rich, but through the prudent handling of money by the Apostles, no one lacked anything. Oyedepo needs to remove luxury from his life, and make it his purpose as the man of God he claims to be to serve. |
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by desiredhome: 11:44am On Mar 15, 2021 |
JayJohnson:Yes feed yourself first....... I've learnt that empty drums makes the loudest noise...... |
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by BluntTheApostle(m): 11:45am On Mar 15, 2021 |
soulpeppersoup: Please, what qualifies as a missionary school? So, na follow follow una wan dey do? How many of those churches that own schools abroad are as wealthy as Oyedepo's Living Faith Inc.? How many of these churches enjoy the tax exempt that Oyedepo enjoys? What is the cost of living in these foreign countries compared to Nigeria? See, do your research well before you try to argue with me on things that you know very little to nothing about. |
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by GEEBITE: 11:45am On Mar 15, 2021 |
Nope, Abeokuta. soulpeppersoup: |
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by CoolAmbience(m): 11:56am On Mar 15, 2021 |
Dawinlove: Mtchewww. |
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by Standing5(m): 11:57am On Mar 15, 2021 |
BluntTheApostle:You can head to winners headquarters to arrest him if you feel offering must be used to subsidize the schools under him. The people in charge of the schools feel otherwise. Offerings are for the church operation and outreaches. Maybe you can tell us what the ones FG has been subsidizing for over half a century has achieved. You are the one that's greedy and want to belong to a church for the sake of enjoying subsidy with the offering of others. Oyedepo cannot be said to be greedy because he ends up releasing funds under him for ministry uses that pertains to the church unlike you who want it to fund a school you can send your children to without paying offering. |
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by BluntTheApostle(m): 12:05pm On Mar 15, 2021 |
Standing5: As usual, you will drag the FG into it. You Christians claim to be the light to the world, and yet the FG is your benchmark. Is Christ not supposed to be the benchmark? Would Christ have run an expensive school? So, offering is for operation and outreaches? Is CU not a part of outreaches? Abi did Oyedepo not mention it in his official page that the school is founded on a Christian mission? And what is the Christian mission? Is that not the tenet of outreaches and church operations? |
Re: Oyedepo: Why Nigeria Has Not Changed For Better by Nobody: 12:21pm On Mar 15, 2021 |
desiredhome: Send me your account number, please |
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