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Image123: i think i like this potentpraise, potent. i fortunately don't have time to read through though. i see zikky, tithe-talk is like oxygen for that fella.

Thank you my brother i love you too.. God bless you richly... Let us help Goshen360 and his brother Zikkyy to understand some clarity with what they have been reading.. They are like the Ethiopian eunuch who need Philips around for a moment for some scriptural clarity.. Anyways.. I love you too Goshen360 and Zikkyy

Zikkyy: .....and you told me we can assume Melchizedek to be an angel of God! the men, women & slaves will be running errands in heaven abi?

Our bible told us that Enoch walk with God and he was no more because God took him. So because God is in the image of man does not mean he will take his helpers when he is gone. Jesus was a clear example and Elijah was another example.. Elijah did not take Elisha with him even though he saw him face to face when he was airlifted with the chariot of fire.. My brother believe and do some independent thinking

Zikkyy: Bros even if Lot was still walking, what about his hands? maybe his hands were tithed na

You are your brother Goshen360 are just catching fun.. Lot was not tithed but the goods they got from the people that kidnapped Lots

Zikkyy: Thanks for the response. what about the part that has to do with Melchizedek not having end of life, can i conclude that Melchizedek is still somewhere in the middle east?

Since we cannot ascertain where Melchizedek came from, it therefore mean we cannot be sure if Melchizedek had relatives. So therefore, we cannot also ascertain that the order of Melchizedek is related to Jesus remember you said this was one of the justification for claiming the order of Melchizedek is related to Jesus, so we are not sure anymore

If he has no end of life.. it means Melchisedec was God incarnate or an angel who could be anywhere and not limited to place, time and location. God is everywhere not only in the middle east, but also in Africa and North America including Asia, South and Central America and if you are in Europe he is there also.

If we say the bible is an inspiration, then we should believe God inspiration and if it was written by a person who has been inspired by God, then why would we not believe? If we don't believe all that then, we need not to be talking about the abolition of tithes in Hebrew 7 and i want to believe you are directly admitting that the tithes was not abolished in New Testament like your brother Goshen360 has done..

Goshen360: ^^^ My brother. You dey make me laff too much o. TITHE OF ALL.....in context right?

Verse 16 tells us the ALL that was recovered - And he brought back all the goods, and also brought again his brother Lot, and his goods, and the women also, and the people.

So Abraham tithed 10% of 'Lot is brother' also? Did he tithe 10% of the women also? and of the people? The last time I checked, Lot was still walking in the next chapter had it being he was also tithed inclusive the 10%. YES or NO?

You don't want to agree that what Abraham gave was TENTH PART, NOT TITHE according to Hebrews 7:1-2, KJV

For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

Abraham could not have PAID 'tithe' (if it means 10%) BUT he GAVE 'tenth'. As we could see, Lot wasn't part of the ALL, hence he could not have paid 10% but 'tenth' part of what was divided from ALL what he recovered from war.

Interesting that you ask questions like this. I would have suggested that you read all before you conclude. However, i am glad i am here for you to help you out.
Verse 16 says: "16 And he brought back all the goods, and also brought again his brother Lot, and his goods, and the women also, and the people."
Verse 21 says: "21 And the king of Sodom said unto Abram, Give me the persons, and take the goods to thyself."
and Verse 24 says "24 Save only that which the young men have eaten, and the portion of the men which went with me, Aner, Eshcol, and Mamre; let them take their portion."


While Lot was not part of the spoils: the goods recovered from a battle, the men and slaves were part of the tithes paid. Slaves in those days were commodity or we say property. So if they are property and they are goods, including the women, that means 10% of their total number could have been given to Melchisedec to help him carry the tithes that was given to him to wherever he was going and also to help him with some errands.

Except if you want to change english word then we will go with your definition, but as long as universal definition of tithes means the tenth percent then i am very correct. O

Goshen360: This is where you're wrong! Say if I earn 100 dollars as income in a month. I pay say 15USD as rent. I pay tuition. I pay transportaion or gas. etc Say everything divided accordingly, then I can take a TENTH PART of my income which DOES NOT EQUAL 10% in keeping with my income (1 Corinthians 16:2, NIV) and give that 'tenth part' to the worship places or my neighbour or my family members......That's why Zikky said that about 'tenth part'

Do not say am wrong until you are very sure i am wrong. The tenth of income of $100 is $10 and it should be taking out first before you pay all your bill.. Where did i get that from?

Lots of reference in the bible, but i will use one that we have been referencing to since..

Genesis 14:16-26

16 And he brought back all the goods, and also brought again his brother Lot, and his goods, and the women also, and the people.

17 And the king of Sodom went out to meet him after his return from the slaughter of Chedorlaomer, and of the kings that were with him, at the valley of Shaveh, which is the king's dale.

18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:

20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

21 And the king of Sodom said unto Abram, Give me the persons, and take the goods to thyself.

22 And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the Lord, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth,

23 That I will not take from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that is thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich:

24 Save only that which the young men have eaten, and the portion of the men which went with me, Aner, Eshcol, and Mamre; let them take their portion.

Zikkyy: Good. Now that you are teaching, can i conclude that Mechizedek does not have father, mother (i.e. he fell from heaven or he was made from dust just like Adam) and since you said that Melchizedek does not have end of life, can i conclude he is still around (somewhere in the middle east)? i hope you know that's the message you are passing across. Your response will be very much appreciated sir.

We can conclude part of what you said, or rephrase what you said. Melchisedec has verse 3 said does not have relatives. The question on where he came from can not be ascertain by man, but God. We read Genesis 18:1-3 you will see that he met three men.. we were not told where those three men are from, but we later noticed that they were the same men that went to destroyed Sodom and Gomorah and they met Lot at the gate of the city in the evening of the day.

18 And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;

2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,

3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant: in the bible of 3 men also called angels came to me


Melchisedec history was unknown nor was he really talk about before and after the tithes Abraham gave him. However, we could assume that its was God's in man or an angel. One thing you will also note about Abraham was that he can discern from ordinary men and stranger/angel of God.. When you walk with God to some level you will will have that sensory organ developed through your inner man: the spirit of God

Goshen360: Formula to pay my tithe ke? So God God don start dey give formula? The example I gave you about 12. Isn't 12 a number. Okay, let's take another one. 30 days a month. So 30 taken as number. 10% of 30 is 3 BUT 'tenth' or 'tenth part of 30 is 10 or tenth day. NO?

A word like i said earlier could mean different thing at different sentence or phrase. On the 10th of the month, on the 10th of the year meant the 10th day of the month and year.

The 10th of your income, the 10th of your salary meant different thing which is 10% of your income and salary

Zikkyy: i am waiting

Verse one says :"7 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;"

and verse 3: says "3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually."

Verse one said Priest of the most high God and verse 3 said just as Mechisedec had no father, mother, children nor have end of life but was made like the Son of God. Who is the son of God? My bible tells me is Jesus

I think this should answer your problem.. Never say i run from your questions... I don't run and i don't quit except if i see that it does not make sense to continue especially if i am not imparting knowledge.. But if your question or argument is genuine trust me i will respond and if i don't know, i will tell you to give me a time to do my research and if i am wrong i will admit.. that is the characteristics of a good.. you should know

Zikkyy: You know it would have been easy for you to refer Goshen to the many illustrations in the bible regarding the definition of tithe & tenth, but feeling confident you decided to open a dictionary. so i want you to adopt the same approach here; lets see some display of confidence and tell us how the order of Melchizedek is related to Jesus if you understand what you are talking about and you want viewers to learn from you, kindly answer the question! Don't know why you are scared.

Its interesting to think i am scared at this point after my reference. If there is any concern at all, it is the fact that you and Goshen360 are just being entertained and not really interested in learning, but argue for the fun of it. Await my response and i will answer

Verse one of Hebrew 7 says :"1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;"

and verse 3: says "3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually."

Verse one said Priest of the most high God and verse 3 said just as Mechisedec had no father, mother, children nor have end of life but was made like the Son of God. Who is the son of God? My bible tells me is Jesus

I think this should answer your problem.. Never say i run from your questions... I don't run and i don't quit except if i see that it does not make sense to continue especially if i am not imparting knowledge.. But if your question or argument is genuine trust me i will respond and if i don't know, i will tell you to give me a time to do my research and if i am wrong i will admit.. that is the characteristics of a good.. you should know

Goshen360: ^ This is not argument for arguing sake or what have you. Let's begin to put the difference (tenth and tithe) into use now. For instance, there're 12 months in a year. The 'tenth' month is October. Are you telling us that 'tithe' (10%) of 12 is will automatically be EQUAL 10 (10th) month?

Again i say.. you either do it deliberately or you do not understand what is going on..
How do you relate 10% with Number 10?

10 PERCENT Meant if everything is divided into 10 places

if you are talking about a year you are talking about 12 months and lets do little maths here

10% of 12 months =1.2 month.. Here is the formula should you have reason to use it to pay your tithes

Zikkyy:

Don't talk about things you don't understand. How exactly is the order of Melchizedec related to Jesus. i am very sure you don't have a clue.

ANS
If you are arguing this after the illustration in Hebrew 7, then it means you have selective memory or you do selective reading that leads to selective comprehension


Zikkyy:
The concept of giving tenth cannot be abolished and do you know why? i will tell you; every giving (whether giving to pastor, or giving to beggars or giving to your next door neighbor or even your regular offering in church is a tenth part of something irrespective of the name you call it). What was abolished is the tithe instituted by God himself. i.e. the giving of tenth of agricultural produce to the Levites. Every other tithing practice is man made (including giving of tenth of personal income to church or pastor).----


ANS
It will make good sense to reference your conclusion to the bible because all you just state is opinion. You will need to go read exodus where the bible tells the rich to give to the poor. And if you don't understand that tenth and tithes is the same then you should get a dictionary.


Zikkyy:
Goshen360's initial post (below) is valid.

ANS
If himself directly or indirectly admitted that his argument has been refuted

Goshen360: ^
Our brother needs to first understand there's difference between TENTH and TITHE first before he can argue successfully and teach the truth.

First i think you should stop confusing yourself and stop arguing blindly... English is not your language of birth and even if it is, PhD's in English language also referrers to dictionary for words that they don't understand or need clarification. For you to come and say tenth meant different thing after a dictionary just prove that its the same as tithes say something about you...

Secondly i think you are jumping everywhere to argue out yourself. If you do not understand english word, use dictionary and if you need clarification on comprehension which i understand that many of us do, especially if you are reading from King James version ask people who know and don't argue. Not everything that one does not understand one should argue, argument only comes when you are sure and have facts to buttress your point. Also a good learner is the one that saw that his argument has been defused and take correction or do more research to establish his advance thought on the same subject matter. No just argue for argument sake

Goshen360: Circular dictionary to define God's word?

Okay, lemme begin with this verses so you see the differences,

To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; (vs 2)

This might shock you also,

Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, [even] a tenth [part] of the tithe. - Numbers 18:26

can you see TENTH and TITHE in the same verse addressed to the LEVITES? God gave a commandment to take tithes. It was a commandment - The same God cancells the commandment when He cancelled the Levitical Priesthood says Hebrews 7:18.

Sometime i think you understand what you are saying and that you are just taking pleasure to ask question you have answered to.

Circular dictionary is made up of word interpretation and if you do not understand the words you read in the bible, you can reference to the interpretation.
Also what is tithes.. what is Thenth?

We all know that different words are used in the bible that mean the same thing... Let look at the word oblation and sacrifice ...


Before i go too far to show you that... look at verse 9 of Hebrew 7 "9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham." If tithes meant different thing, the chapter would have said "9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tenth in Abraham."

Going back to using different words that mean the same thing at similar scenario, lets look at Leviticus 2: 4-5
4 And if thou bring an oblation of a meat offering baken in the oven, it shall be unleavened cakes of fine flour mingled with oil, or unleavened wafers anointed with oil.

5 And if thy oblation be a meat offering baken in a pan, it shall be of fine flour unleavened, mingled with oil.

While in the same chapter the word offer was used in verse 1 of Leviticus 2

"And when any will offer a meat offering unto the Lord, his offering shall be of fine flour; and he shall pour oil upon it, and put frankincense thereon:"


I know you are more than convince that tithes and tenth meant the same thing. I also know that you are convince that there was no abolition of tithes in the New Testament as you popularly proclaim. If so i thank God for your life and i pray that God will continue to teach us his words

ooman: this is not a premise of debate, it is a fact: GOD IS ACCEPTING ANYTHING FROM ANYONE, EVEN HUMAN SACRIFICE(HE DID FROM JESUS).

lol i smile

Goshen360: Melchizedek collected tithe or TENTH? And who was He? Christ?

Dictionary defines tithes :
Sometimes, tithes. the tenth part of agricultural produce or personal income set apart as an offering to God or for works of mercy, or the same amount regarded as an obligation or tax for the support of the church, priesthood, or the like. Reference: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/tithes+?s=t

He was a priest like the chapter explain, He was not Jesus .. He was being referenced to

Goshen360: ^
I do not argue that Hebrews 7 IS NOT talking about priesthood of Jesus better than that of Leviticals. That's not the argument here. The argument is, tithe was also included in this teachings of Hebrews 7 to drive home to the conclusion of the priesthood of Jesus Christ.

Okay, lemme play a soft game here. If you say it was the priesthood that was nullified, will the tithe commanded to the levitical priesthood according to the law still remain if the priesthood is gone?

If you see that the priesthood was related to Melchisedec and it was reference that he collected tithes and the order of Melchisedec is related to Jesus.. You should also know the author was more concern about the Israelite to see Jesus as the new priest.

So if its reference to Melchisedec and he also collected tithes, the tithes is not abolished.

Goshen360: God bless you. Now, lemme me show the reference is singular and it was referenced to tithe. Look at it,

And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: vs 5

The commandment (in RED) is singular and is specific, TO TAKE TITHES.

For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. vs 18

Again, the commandment here in vs 18 is singular. Will it INCLUDED (but not limited to) TITHE or NOT?

No it does not include Tithes. Please do not select a particular word to interpret a whole paragraph of entire chapter. Look at Leviticus 4:2 ""2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a soul shall sin through ignorance against any of the commandments of the Lord concerning things which ought not to be done, and shall do against any of them:"

The bible is a comprehension or a narative book, that explain event and thought through God inspiration. We know that in narrative essay, we can compare and contrast and we can make examples that relate to what we are trying to establish.

If you look at the following verses which are conclusion of the chapter, just like you and i know that every essay has introduction, body and conclusion.. and usually what is not clear in the introduction is establish in the body and sometime the body of an essay could have references and thoughts that should help to establish the introduction and if the body fails the conclusion clarifies all.

From verse 19 through 28, you will notice there was greater concentration on Priesthood and Jesus.. look at it here:

19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:

21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec

22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:

24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.

25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

Goshen360: ^
I will not quote everything you said, but just this part,


First, you dodged my simple question. I asked you show tell me how many times 'commandment' is used in context of Hebrews 7 and to what is it referenced to/with in each usage.

Two, I understand PERFECTLY well that Hebrews 7 was on priesthood of Jesus Christ. I do understand that! Now, from your above and as highlight,

1. According to you and I quote, "[size=20pt]All[/size] in the table that Moses collected from God on the mount of Sinai [size=20pt]are commandments[/size], keep the sabbath day holy, leaven and unleaven, no one should bring blemish male goat for sacrifice [size=20pt]all are commandments[/size].

2. Will these COMMANDMENTS also include commandment to TAKE TITHES? - Yes or No?

First i am not dodging your question and i think with your second question you are been very specific.

The answer to your second question is NO... This is usage of plural and singular in a sentence. "ALL ARE COMMANDMENTS"
Chapter 7 verse 8 of Hebrew was specific as to COMMANDMENT(plural) no "S" So all it was talking about was the change of priesthood from Levi to Judah which also means from Aaron to Melchisedec that is now centered on Jesus as the high priest

Here is the answer that you think i dodge

5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:


16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.


18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.


The three verses in the Hebrew 7 where commandment appears are 5, 16, and 18
The word use is commandment a singular and particular command of the change of priesthood from the Aaron lineage to Jesus the son of God

Goshen360: I knew you cannot answer my question. Joagbaje said it was the 'priesthood of Levi' that was cancelled. Hebrews 7:5 says, "the COMMANDMENT is to take tithes" NOT commandment to "PRIESTHOOD OF LEVI"

I now asked, when verse 18 cancels the 'COMMANDMENT', will this commandment that is cancelled ALSO include "to take tithes" or NOT? Just answer simple YES or NO....if you want with explanation.

I think my response hereshould clarifies that

Goshen360: ^ Question to you again: How many times is the word 'commandment' used within the context AND WHAT REFERENCE WAS IT USED TO/WITH in each usage. This will help us in clarity.

I will answer the questions, but lets look at the entire comprehension of Chapter 7.
or the best way to look at it is to go back to Exodus and Leviticus. Exodus 30:30 "30 And thou shalt anoint Aaron and his sons, and consecrate them, that they may minister unto me in the priest's office."
Exodus 28:1-2 "And take thou unto thee Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him, from among the children of Israel, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office, even Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, Eleazar and Ithamar, Aaron's sons.
2 And thou shalt make holy garments for Aaron thy brother for glory and for beauty."

Leviticus explain details of their duties which is called commandment. Let us take example chapter 6 of Leviticus, but i will advice you read from chapter one.

Leviticus 6: 19-16 "19 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

20 This is the offering of Aaron and of his sons, which they shall offer unto the Lord in the day when he is anointed; the tenth part of an ephah of fine flour for a meat offering perpetual, half of it in the morning, and half thereof at night.

21 In a pan it shall be made with oil; and when it is baken, thou shalt bring it in: and the baken pieces of the meat offering shalt thou offer for a sweet savour unto the Lord.

22 And the priest of his sons that is anointed in his stead shall offer it: it is a statute for ever unto the Lord; it shall be wholly burnt.

23 For every meat offering for the priest shall be wholly burnt: it shall not be eaten.

24 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

25 Speak unto Aaron and to his sons, saying, This is the law of the sin offering: In the place where the burnt offering is killed shall the sin offering be killed before the Lord: it is most holy.

26 The priest that offereth it for sin shall eat it: in the holy place shall it be eaten, in the court of the tabernacle of the congregation."


The book of Exodus and Some of Leviticus uses commandment and law or the lord said to Moses. for instance again look at Leviticus chapter 4:1 "4 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a soul shall sin through ignorance against any of the commandments of the Lord concerning things which ought not to be done, and shall do against any of them:"

Answer to your question

All in the table that Moses collected from God on the mount of Sinai are commandments, keep the sabbath day holy, leaven and unleaven, no one should bring blemish male goat for sacrifice all are commandments. But Hebrew 7 was not specifically talking about tithes. It was using the figurative and comparison of the lineage of Mechisedec and Aaron together that is why he used something common that they both did. Aaron and his sons the priests collected tithes and Melchizedek also collected tithes.. .. You will see that there was no comparison of burnt offering, because Mechisedec did not burn any. So the compare and contrast match well with tithes, but the main commandment of chapter 7 of Hebrew was that Jesus is the new highest priest who is now from the lineage of Judah.. He helps us carry our sin to God like Aaron and his sons did for the people of Israel in form of sin, burnt, trespass and peace offerings

Goshen360: ^ I'm not thinking or assuming the text. The text speaks for itself. All we have to do is study it in context. We've done exposition on Hebrews 7 in the past and the text proves God ended tithe/tithing in Hebrews 7. Christian are ONLY left and encourage to give and giving doesn't go with a legalistic 10% for which the law instituted tithing.

I have quietly monitored your advocacy for abolition of tithes in New Testament. But I think you are wrong. While I understand that you might be making a grave unconscious mistake, I think you should have ask before reaching that conclusion, at least ask people who are advance in this profession.

Hebrew 7 Summary

It explain thus that the Levite priests with commandment of receiving tithes among other commandments are human beings that dies. Verse 8 said in this place the man that die receive tithes and here Jesus who do not die receive them and its is witnessed that he lives.

In verse 9 he said levi also pay tithes and verse 11 said, if perfection were by the Levitical priesthood in which people received law then there should not be any other priest that should come in order of Melchisedec and not related to Aaron who through the law had the commandment to receive tithes.

Since the priesthood have been changed from Aaron, there should also be change of the law. Knowing that the new priesthood does not relate to the tribe of Levi but Judah who do not conduct sacrifice with altar and Moses did not talk about the tribe of Judah to be a priesthood tribe. -14

Verse 15, It is certain that after the ordinance of Melchisedec came another priest, who is not made after the law of human commandment but after power of endless life, because he testified that he was priest forever after the order of Melchisedec,
VERSE 18- Because there is cancelation of the commandment (of Levitical priesthood and a new commandment is Jesus becoming priest forever without coming from the tribe of Levi which receive commandment from God through Moses to be the only tribe that can become Priests in Israel)going before the weakness of the Levi and un-profitableness thereof because its made by law and not eternal like Jesus who is made priest inform of Melchisedec


Please do not confuse others because God does not forgive people who ignorantly disobey his commandment, except they repent

Goshen360: ^ You may want to read everything in context but let me share with you with the context. This is it,

I think you should re-read the entire chapter because this is a pure mus-intrepretation of the chapter and misquotation of texts
When you are done, then i will give you summary of the Hebrew 7, so you should stop assuming what you are thinking

Goshen360: ^ I got it from Hebrews 7

What does Hebrew 7 Says?

FrontPageLawyer: Will God accept tithes and offerings from looters and criminals?

yes if they repent and returned the money they looted

Goshen360: ^ That's why God NEVER demanded tithe ANYMORE in the first place from NT believers. Another point is, will a Christian be a 'criminal' and 'looter'? The answer is NO!

I don't know where you got that from that God does not demand tithes anymore.

Logicboy03 & Javanian:
I await with bated breath

I have carefully considered your argument. First I will like to say you jump from everywhere to establish different arguments. This makes it very challenging to tackle one argument after the other especially when you consider that many of these arguments are not yours, but from different authors or atheistic thinkers. Although that does not bothers me, except that I will not rewind to start addressing them one after the other as I think it will be redundant.

To be sure that I am not running away from you, there is one option, either you create another thread and bring your argument one after the other for thorough debate or you repost which specific argument you want us to trash to be convince that there is God that controls the affairs of men.

Also on Pascal’s Wager assertion I do not want to deliberate on that, because I saw that you are trying to counter his argument and that was the only post in the thread that reflects your thorough analysis and contribution and not made by another atheist.

So I say if you are very particular about a certain aspect of why you think God does not exist. Please lets have some reasoning; however, in your conclusion of “Debunking Pascal’s Wager” there are some things you thought of, but you are not sure, if not I would have take one of that to establish the existence of God if only you assert that as a fact and not what you think.

Javanian: https://www.nairaland.com/1150005/library-best-40-atheist-arguments

Logicboy03: Click on the first link on my signature

Seen the link.. I saw your argument.. but i will need some time to read through the argument made by some other people then i will follow up from that.
Since its been on the 5th page, i will make sure my argument is addressed to you Logicboy03 and your atheist gf/girl that is friend Javanian and we will follow up from there.
So be prepared.. i have studied you to dwell on some inadequacies, or less supported argument for God.. But this will be different and will be comprehensive

Please note argument must be referenced to either Biblical or scientific or other write up not just imaginary with no prior author.

Javanian: It's not an arguement, it's a fact! Your god does not exist. But you can proove me wrong...

When someone say something is fact.. it must be base on premises.. e.g Your God do not exist because he does not hear or talk or a better example was OOMAN's argument. That God does not exist and he also hope it exit but he does not think he should be served because he did not save him when he called him in time of emergency or that he is God that destroy people..

So whats your premises.. what make it fact? You do not have supporting reasoning that make you reach that conclusion of your fact?

Javanian: Please in the statement "Your god does not exist"

which letter, word or syllable is difficult for you to understand??. The ST.UPID bible you are quoting in NOTHING but a book of fairy tales. Your s.tupid yahweh is a useless, cruel and imaginary being!

I think you jumping, my argument is for the OP. And if you have an argument state it clearly.
What is your basis for that argument that God does not exist?
or you are just making a statement that you can not establish with sound argument like the OP has done?

ooman: OK, I MUST HAVE HURT SOME PEOPLE. I DIDNT MEAN TO HURT "PEOPLE", I MEANT TO HURT GOD THE OGRE. BUT ITS PEOPLE THAT'S GETTING HURT, BECAUSE GOD CANNOT GET HURT, BECAUSE HE DOES NOT EXIST.

Why dont you attack the fact that your Monster God murdered the Amalekites, Hittites, Hivites and the Cannanites or that this monster of yours destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah with fire. Tell me his actions are justified because he is God, the Monster.

An objective thinker would know God is the great evil that must be eradicated. Heck, he created lake of fire to burn "people" forever, he is really a monster. He must love horror movies so much.

I am not the attacker, i am under attack by God, he threatened to throw me in his lake of fire if dont worship him, and you know what, i will not worship him because i know just the right match for him. THE GREAT LUCIFER, SAVIOR OF MANKIND, CREATOR AND THE KING OF ALL THE UNIVERSE, SAME GOD WHOM YOU KNOW AS THE DEVIL, OUR REDEEMER, TO WHOM ALL PRAISE BELONGS. ALL PRAISE THE DEVIL.

to prove that am not out to hurt people but God (IF HE EXIST, WHICH I HOPE), i have changed the word "bastard " to "illegitimate", but dont they mean the same thing?

Something tells me you are smart gentle man. Something also tell me you are not to some extent. The reason is because you make an argument and you are also contradicting it. But one thing distinguished you and its common with people we generally called Atheists: They are usually smart and always engage Christians with logical questions. Including being patient and never get angry easily but focus attention on reasoning.

In the red highlighted portion above you said God does not exist. In the bottom one you said you hope and in the middle green one you testify that the living God exist with your statement.

I now think your argument was established in all your other posts that You surely think God exist, but you are not satisfied with him being God, because his judgement is dreadful--- He kills, he does not answer emergency call you made or some people made when they most need him most.

I strongly agree to this argument, but i think your rational does not reflect a sound reasoning that could establish your judgement. It also appears that you read well your bible and knows most of the judgement that has been passed to the people, country and cities of old. For instant you talk about the Amalekites, Sodom and Gomorrah, but one thing that appears that you have not study is that the God of Israel whom is also the Christian God. You carefully study some of his prolific judgment and not his personality, his potential, his efficacy and how magnitude he is.

The sad thing is that you compare him to small gods that can not see or hear among many other gods like Obatala you mentioned. You also fail to see in the most high God how magnificent he is to have created heaven and earth.

My argument is this, like i said earlier is that you have not really study God and really know his personality like you know some of his dreadful judgement he pronounced to people of old..Please do some research on that and if you can't i can help you.