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Northern Governors Forum Salute Obasanjo At 76

The Northern governors paid tribute to the former Nigerian President

The Northern States Governors Forum has paid tribute to former President Olusegun Obasanjo who clocked 76 on Tuesday.

The governors said that the former Nigerian leader has lived a life of service to Nigeria and humanity.

The Chairman of the Forum and Governor of Niger State, Mu’azu Aliyu, said Mr. Obasanjo remains the reference point for good governance, statesmanship, diplomacy, conflict resolution and prudent management of resources.

In a statement, the Northern governors said Nigeria is lucky to have former President Obasanjo at every turn in the march to nationhood.

The forum recalled that Mr. Obasanjo had a distinguished carrier in the military and then went on to become Head of State and later democratically elected president, during which period he showed rare vision, courage and exemplary leadership.

“It is no longer news that in 1976, destiny beckoned on General Obasanjo to become Nigeria’s Head of State, an era that ushered in huge developmental drive in our journey to nationhood and in the exercise of greatness, he voluntarily relinquished power and handed it over to a civilian administration in 1979.

He returned to the presidency in 1999 from the verge of death to the flourishing tree of democracy he planted, this time as the gardener and the nourisher,” the governor’s said in the statement.

The governors poured more encomiums on Mr. Obasanjo saying he left legacies in all sectors of the economy.

They said they are proud to be associated with the achievements of the former leader, especially his contribution to the deepening of the nation’s fledgling democracy.

The governors prayed that God grant Mr. Obasanjo excellent health, courage and many more years of selfless service to Nigeria and humanity

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Why Do Hands Go Numb While Sleeping?


If you are routinely waking at night with numb hands, you may have a problem. Occasionally, the numbness can be explained easily if you are lying on your hands or arms when you sleep. If this is not the case for you, then you may have an underlying disease or other condition that is leading to hand numbness.



Nerve Damage

If you have sustained an injury to the nerves in your hands, or the nerves have been damaged by disease, this can result in numbness. You may not feel these other symptoms because you are asleep. Numbness is generally preceded by a pins-and-needles sensation or a burning or prickling feeling. These sensations are considered paresthesias. Numbness is not paralysis because you can still move your hand but you have experienced loss of sensation.

Carpal Tunnel Syndrome

If you are waking up with numb hands, this is a good indication that you may be suffering from carpal tunnel syndrome, also known as repetitive strain injury, according to Mycarpaltunnel.com. If you make the same movements with your hands over and over again during the course of the day, this can take its toll.

Carpal Tunnel and Other Conditions

CPS or RSI is a disorder that can spread into the elbow, neck and shoulder or result in other concerns such as thoracic outlet syndrome or even aggravation of fibromyalgia. Certain conditions can be crippling and prevent you from doing your job.

Diseases Causing Numbness in Hands

Numb hands can be a symptom of numerous diseases, including but not limited to, Guillain-Barre syndrome, Type 2 diabetes, Raynaud's disease, Siogren's syndrome, HIV or AIDS, syphilis, ulnar nerve compression and alcoholism.

Homeopathic Approach

Before you can effectively treat your numb hands, get a diagnosis so that you know what you're dealing with, according to Nativeremedies.com. Homeopathic remedies exist that reportedly not only treat the symptom (numbness) but the underlying condition. Homeopathic remedies are believed by some to be very helpful in healing damaged nerves. Ask your physician or herbalist about using magnesium phosphate, kalium phosphate and ferrum phosphoricum, all of which are biochemic tissue salts. Do not take magnesium sulfate, kalium phosphate or ferrum phosphoricum without first consulting with your health care provider. Native remedies.com reports that these salts assist in the nutritional needs of your nerves and your brain while additionally encouraging systemic balance in your total nervous system.

darichlife: I'm not very happy with the way these forces hold me down in the mid morning between 3-4am, wen it starts i wil try to scream but nothin wil happen the force wil just get stronger and dip. As i just remember The name JESUS it would just flea without much force. Anybody have idea on what i should do to prevent this cos it disturbs my sleep

It is body numbness.
Its not an attack,but sometime it might comes as a Lucid dreams where you are awake and it looks like you are dreaming of someone pressing you down. It also happens when you are awake, but can't move any of your body parts.

The reason is usually the way you sleep and the air available for you to breath in where you sleep. If the way you (posture)sleep cut circulation of blood or air to your body parts, your brain sense it and it will wake you up.
It all have to do with air and blood circulation. You will noticed that it does not happen when you are awake and if it does happen, its probably when you are sitting or laying down.

Your body might also be lacking some vitamins like vitamin c, and you might also need some daily or weekly exercise to reduce the effect. If you sleep sideways you should be fine.

You should check this forum and see what people say. An article from yahoo gave some medical reasons and you can check it here If i get more info i will let you know

Someone is seeing what i am seeing

Joe from ny
Bush and Cheney would be proud of you, President Obama. It won't be long now before American drones regularly killing African civilians by mistake can be added to your legacy. Beyond that, the possibilites are endless. A future Republican president, looking to justify a war of choice, won't have to rely on bogus intel from a looney-tune named Curveball about yellowcake from Niger. Our own drones will capture pictures which can be doctored to look like anything they want. Nicely done.

confusion247: This is a welcomed development. When northerners promised to make this country ungovernable for Jonathan, little did they know that it was an open invitation to drones.

Lets hope so. But be sure many innocent people will feel the impart too. Until the full development, we could only hope its a welcome development.
As long as more righteous are not dying than the unrighteous

Here is one of the comments from the source

Michael from Ohio
What ever happened to the Golden Rule? Would the UD allow North Korea, Iran, or other nations to build predator drone bases in Mexico?
We have met the enemy, and we are him

pastie: Hehehe lets organise a reception for this great achievement

Reception hmmn lets hope it worth it.. Be sure that some Boko harams will feel the impart of the Reception

What do you think?

New Drone Base in Niger Builds U.S. Presence in Africa

WASHINGTON — Opening a new front in the drone wars against Al Qaeda and its affiliates, President Obama announced on Friday that about 100 American troops had been sent to Niger in West Africa to help set up a new base from which unarmed Predator aircraft would conduct surveillance in the region.

The new drone base, located for now in the capital, Niamey, is an indication of the priority Africa has become in American antiterrorism efforts. The United States military has a limited presence in Africa, with only one permanent base, in Djibouti, more than 3,000 miles from Mali, where insurgents had taken over half the country until repelled by a French-led force.

In a letter to Congress, Mr. Obama said about 40 United States military service members arrived in Niger on Wednesday, bringing the total number of those deployed in the country to about 100 people. A military official said the troops were largely Air Force logistics specialists, intelligence analysts and security officers.

Mr. Obama said the troops, who are armed for self-protection, would support the French-led operation that last month drove the Qaeda and affiliated fighters out of a desert refuge the size of Texas in neighboring Mali.

Niger, one of the poorest countries in the world, signed a status-of-forces agreement last month with the United States that has cleared the way for greater American military involvement in the country and has provided legal protection to American troops there.

In an interview last month in Niamey, President Mahamadou Issoufou voiced concern about the spillover of violence and refugees from Mali, as well as growing threats from Boko Haram, an Islamist extremist group to the south, in neighboring Nigeria.

French and African troops have retaken Mali’s northern cities, including Timbuktu, Gao and Kidal, but about 2,000 militants have melted back into desert and mountain hideaways and have begun a small campaign of harassment and terror, dispatching suicide bombers, attacking guard posts, infiltrating liberated cities or ordering attacks by militants hidden among civilians.

“Africa Command has positioned unarmed remotely piloted aircraft in Niger to support a range of regional security missions and engagements with partner nations,” Benjamin Benson, a command spokesman in Stuttgart, Germany, said in an e-mail message on Friday.

Mr. Benson did not say how many aircraft or troops would ultimately be deployed, but other American officials have said the base could eventually have as many as 300 United States military service members and contractors.

For now, American officials said, Predator drones will be unarmed and will fly only on surveillance missions, although they have not ruled out conducting missile strikes at some point if the threat worsens.

American officials would like to move the aircraft eventually to Agadez, a city in northern Niger that is closer to parts of northern Mali where cells of Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb and other militant groups are operating. Gen. Carter F. Ham, the leader of the Pentagon’s Africa Command, visited the base last month as part of discussions with Niger’s leaders on closer counterterrorism cooperation.

The new drone base will join a constellation of small airstrips in recent years on the continent, including one in Ethiopia, for surveillance missions flown by drones or turboprop planes designed to look like civilian aircraft.

A handful of unarmed Predator drones will fill a desperate need for more detailed information on regional threats, including the militants in Mali and the unabated flow of fighters and weapons from Libya. General Ham and intelligence analysts have complained that such information has been sorely lacking.

As the United States increased its presence in Niger, Russia sent a planeload of food, blankets and other aid to Mali on Friday, a day after Foreign Minister Sergey V. Lavrov warned of the spread of terrorism in North Africa, which the Russian government has linked to Western intervention in Libya.

Mr. Lavrov met on Thursday with the United Nations special envoy for the region, Romano Prodi, to discuss the situation in Mali, where Russia has supported the French-led effort to oust Islamist militants. But Russia has also blamed the West for the unrest and singled out the French in particular for arming the rebels who ousted the Libyan leader, Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi.

“Particular concern was expressed about the activity of terrorist organizations in the north, a threat to regional peace and security,” the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement after the meeting. “The parties agreed that the uncontrolled proliferation of arms in the region in the wake of the conflict in Libya sets the stage for an escalation of tension throughout the Sahel.” The Sahel is a vast region stretching more than 3,000 miles across Africa, from the Atlantic in the west through Sudan in the east.

In a television interview this month, Mr. Lavrov said, “France is fighting against those in Mali whom it had once armed in Libya against Qaddafi.”

On Friday, suicide attackers detonated two car bombs near Tessalit, a town in Mali’s far north, according to news reports, while Islamist fighters clashed with Malian soldiers farther south in Gao, where fighting has flared in recent days.


The twin suicide bombings in Tessalit killed three fighters for the National Movement for the Liberation of Azawad, known as the M.N.L.A., an ethnic Tuareg armed group that has allied with the French forces, a spokesman for the group said, according to Agence France-Presse. The attackers were killed as well. On Thursday, a guard and an attacker were killed in a car bombing in Kidal, south of Tessalit, that appeared to have targeted a civilian fuel depot, France’s Defense Ministry said in a statement.

Responsibility for that attack was claimed by the Movement for Oneness and Jihad in West Africa, an offshoot of Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb. The group said it would continue to press its fight and also intended to retake Gao, hundreds of miles to the south.

In central Gao late Thursday morning, Malian and French forces killed about 15 militants from “infiltrated terrorist groups” that had seized the town hall and court, according to the French Defense Ministry. The initial firefight involved only Malian soldiers and militant fighters, the ministry’s statement said, but several French armored vehicles and two helicopters were later involved.

Two militants were killed outside a checkpoint north of the city after “sporadically” attacking the Nigerien soldiers standing guard, the Defense Ministry said. As many as six Malian soldiers were reported wounded.

On Friday, sporadic gunfire and at least two rebel rocket attacks were reported in Gao, according to a Malian officer cited by The Associated Press. Most of the militants fled to the east of the city aboard seven vehicles, the officer said.

Russian officials have pointed repeatedly to the unrest in North Africa and the political turmoil in Egypt as evidence that the Western-supported Arab Spring has created a dangerous and chaotic situation and potential breeding grounds for terrorists. Russia has also used the examples of Libya and Egypt to justify its opposition to any Western effort to oust the government of President Bashar al-Assad in Syria.



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milehigh06: STFU
do not come on here and spew rubbish.been thru the immigration system and I have never been thru any of the rubbish you are trying to portray on here
Do you know of how many easier ways the American govt can track you that does not involve this crude method the fake pastor mentioned??does he think america is uganda,somalia or nigeria where someone will just dig their hands in your a$$ to implant a chip?
I have done numerous finger printing
passport has codes on it
my vehicle papers can be used to find me
my tax,ssn,bank a/cs,credit card usage can all be used to track me
they will listen thru my phoneor just simply bug something that i will never know
but u think they will bug your a$$
lmao

Gone through immigration system does not mean you have gone through deportation process or been detained. If you have gone through it and was not detained for deportation then you don't have the experience the man is talking about

justwise: You talk alot of nonsense, how do Nigeria treat Boko Haram members? Give them national awards for killing innocent people? US have arrested alot of their own citizens who were caught trying to commit mass murder, trailed them in court and jailed them. Did the US killed our own Nigerian (under pant bomber) who tried to blew up delta airline couple of yrs ago?

I know since you have been made mod, your ego has gone beyond your brain. You are just an internet brat with little sense when you get to the computer.
Mr Justwise, you should just change your name to TOO WISE, because you are the greatest no brain talker here... alias I too know

I guess your eyes did not see this

POTENTPRAISE: This is not synonymous to U.S government alone, every country has their bad side, but the U.S government is pronounce, reason because they paint white picture and cover their black black picture

If you have never been to the America Detention Center as an immigrant, then you should not outrightly condemn the story.
In every rumor or fake story there are elements of truth.

If the U.S can kill its citizens for terrorism, and immigrants is nothing to them to destroy his life, especially when you are fighting your case not to be deported.
I guess we quickly forget that immigrants in U.S are considered an Alien, if you understand what that means, you should understand how an Alien is to be treated, especially if he proves too stubborn or trying to expose them.. Check the case of the LA corps Dorner, you will understand that U.S government could go to any length to settle a score with an individual, group of people and even a country.

We all hear news about how british immigration officers deals with immigrants that prove stubborn, so hearing this should not be new things.
Its quite unfortunate as someone has said that people would hardly say their stories or their experiences during deportation.

So if it had not happens to you or know someone in real life who has encounter such don't dispute it. This is not synonymous to U.S government alone, every country has its bad side, but the U.S government is pronounce, reason because they paint white picture and cover their black black picture

Here is the link from another source


Mr.Jacob Ajomale, a gospel artiste alleges how he was tortured by American immigration officers and how a chip was inserted in his body

You studied Economics, why music then?

Music for me is an inborn thing, it runs in the family. My late dad was a renown organist and accordionist coordinating the choir and that’s where I picked it up.

Why didn’t you study music then?

I didn’t because I believed it was just a natural thing for me. The same question was asked by the Papa Awolowo when I was playing for him at the Ogun State University in March 1983. He was asking the vice chancellor whether I studied music. It’s just a natural thing.

Which means that you didn’t use the certificate to work?

Well, I only did when I was working as a financial analyst. I worked with the Union Bank while I was doing my youth service. I won the best corps member award and got an automatic employment after my service and started a programme at the Bendel State Television Station. Then I was invited back to Lagos where I worked as an analyst reporting and coordinating marketing activities for Kodak International. That was all I did with the certificate.

Oke Mimo, an album you and others did as choir of Ayo Ni o Movement, was a chartbuster, I expected you to be swimming in millions.

We sold millions but we did it for the church and for the glory of God. I never made a dime on my own; it was a way of rendering your talent for God and that is what we believe in Nigeria. But it is different in America. I sang the song and we all marketed it but I never made a dime even till present.

On your own, can you mention about one or two hit albums you made?

The first one was a tribute to Papa Awolowo. After getting such a complement from him while I was serving in Benin and when I heard that he had passed on, I came to see his family and went into the studio to record an album in his memory. I did Comforter which was a breakthrough album and it was played everywhere. I got an invitation to come to the United States of America. In the US, I did two, Always by my Side and Great Testimony and they did very well in the market.

Did you enter America with valid papers?

I entered the US with a valid passport and a valid visa. I was invited by a church, Mountain of Peace C and S Church, Washington, for a musical workshop and it lasted for three months. Six of us went on the trip and after the workshop, the visa expired after six months and I didn’t know anything about the immigration stuff in America. I didn’t know I would need social security and other papers. I lost my status and that was the beginning of my problem in America.

But it was reported that you entered the US with forged papers.

No, that is not true. I entered America first with valid papers. I was given the visa on March 13 and I left Nigeria on April 11 and got to America on April 12 1997. I want them to check the record; I got there legally with a visiting visa but it got expired after six months. The church promised to help; they got an immigration lawyer for me but the filing wasn’t approved and I ran out of status. I borrowed money to go to America then and I had to work to be able to pay back. I stayed back until I got a job; I got the social security but I didn’t have green card. Throughout my stay in America, I was working with my social security number. I never used any other person’s or any other thing except the time I came to Nigeria in 2001 and I am not going to lie about that. I got a call from home that my dad was sick and I didn’t know how to get to Nigeria and I am the first son, remember I told you that I had lost my status since. A brother that I brought in to live with me in my first house in America suggested that I could use his information to travel home which I did successfully without any problem. Everything was done perfectly, I submitted my valid passport and the immigration people saw everything. I got back to America without any problem.

But what you did was not legal.

Yes, it was not legal and that was the mistake of my life. That mistake has turned into a ministry now because I keep telling people, if for any reason you have to travel, make sure your stay is as directed by your visa. I paid for that mistake because it was the same brother that reported me to the authorities when I got my own green card. The second time I came to Nigeria, I came with my own green card. Even that time that I used his passport, I was not arrested and he was the same person that took me to the airport and called my mum that I was safely back. My dad did not die until seven years after and by that time, I already had my green card. Before I got back to America, this guy had reported me to the immigration. His name is Emmanuel Adetokunbo Adegoke. When people asked him why he did that, he said he didn’t know what pushed him and that he never knew the implication. This is somebody I brought to my house and he lived with me for five years. I supported him to go to the best university and when he finished, he got a good job and after he left, he thought that’s how he could pay me back. Immigration didn’t know anything about what we did; it was not that they were that smart but it was Tokunbo that reported me. I don’t know what he told them but they were waiting for me to return and they promptly arrested me even when I had travelled with valid papers. Since I was travelling with valid documents, the best they could have done was to charge me to court, not arrest me. They asked me to tell them what I knew of Emmanuel Adegoke passport but I insisted on speaking with my lawyer first. I wasn’t going to lie but I needed legal advice.

So what then happened?

They kept me in a cold room for nine hours. I got to America about 1pm on February 5, 2009 and until 11pm, they didn’t allow me to come out of the extremely cold room. Let them check their record very well. I could have died. I was forced to tell them that I used Emmanuel Adegoke’s passport and from there, I was put in detention for about four months until I saw a judge. The judge checked and said I had a very clean record and that because of that she said she was going to give me the minimum sentence, six months and I had spent four months already. After the two months, I was released and that was supposed to be the end of the case. On August 15, 2009, a week after I was released, I received a call to pick up my green card and passport at the ICE BWI Airport office on August 19, 2009, but surprisingly I was rearrested by the same Officer Derrick who said they made a mistake to have released me. I asked questions why I was arrested and they told me I would have to see the judge again in three days. They locked me up for months. While in detention at Worcester Detention Centre, Snow Hill, Maryland, an ICE Officer, William Malone, told me I could be released but it was going to cost me money. I told my lawyer about it who reported to Senior ICE Officers. Malone was fired because it was discovered that he asked me for bribe. We knew that he was a drug dealer and an addict. I suspect that the authorities believed that we knew too much about Malone and decided to torture me in particular.

Investigation was carried out during which Officer Michelle Rawlings interrogated me and promised to get back to me, which she never did. Afterwards I became the target for the officers. I was hospitalised on July 12, 2010, at Atlantic Hospital for sinusitis and body weakness but was discharged abruptly without adequate treatment. I was maltreated by three officers, who flung me to an empty steel bed and I put in a grievance report concerning the issue. In August 2010 I was moved to Fredrick Detention Centre, Fredrick, Maryland, and same aggression was repeated against my person. I was feeling vibration on my bed and reported to the authority but no action was taken.

“On December 3 I was invited by the Chaplain Pastor John for Bible study with two other detainees. And coming back from the Chaplain’s office I felt strange movement in my umbilical cord and showed it to an inmate, Mr. Al. We quickly approached the officers on duty to take me to the medical unit but instead I was crushed to the floor by eight white officers and my pants was opened and a chip, an electric devise used to invade a person’s privacy and gather information about him and for the purpose of causing harm to his person, was put in my anus. I screamed but no one could help me. I was taken to another detention home where I was asked to remove all my clothes and speak to a speaker which I later learnt is voice sensor and as I am talking to you now, they are hearing me in America. Anywhere I go in the world, through the chip in my body and speaking to the voice sensor, they are monitoring me back there in America. What they inserted in me is called electronic harassment and once it is in your body, anywhere you go in the world, you are being monitored.

Why would they do that?

America would not want a scandal. They know that we know too much about what goes on in the jail houses, particularly about Officer Malone and they don’t want it out. They believe that once they mess up with my brain, I would be rendered useless but I give God the glory, I am okay. They inserted the chip on December 3 2010 and since then, I’ve been feeling a lot of strange movements in my body. I was arranged to see the psychologist, Ms Jessica, who interviewed me and advised that I should be sent back to the unit having seen nothing psychologically wrong with me, but ICE refused. Also I was arranged to see the psychiatrist, Dr Brian Simms, who said the same thing but I was still isolated. They even lied that I was planning to kill myself and put me under suicide watch.

After all this, I made up my mind to drop the case and go back to my country. They called the embassy and they discussed at length because everyone at the embassy knew me because I used to play for them. When I was given the phone, I opened up to them and pleaded that the officers should be compelled to remove the chip they inserted on me. One of them said, ‘nobody inserted anything on Jacob’s body, we don’t have such a thing in America and it is even illegal to do that.’ About two days after, they asked me dress up and I thought they were taking me to Nigeria, they flew me to California, away from my people and every contact that I had. I asked why I was in California, a six-hour journey from Washington but I was lucky I spoke to about two black people who I believed spoke about me to some sources. They put me in the midst of retarded people and mentally challenged people. I refused all medications to stay alive and in my senses. I was forced to take about four shots but all I asked for was water in which I prayed and drank so that all weapon fashioned against me would not prosper. They moved me to a private treatment facility; still I refused to cooperate and frustrated them even though they broke my back bone and I told the doctor to respect the laws of America.

So, how did you get out?

I asked for voluntary deportation and departure and I expected them to leave me alone without accompanying me to Nigeria. On February 24, 2011, I was told to pack and prepare to go back to Nigeria and I was happy. When we got to the airport in California with two officers that were with me and were about to board the plane, instead of passing through the scanner, they bypassed it but I created a scene. They knew that the scanner would expose the chip inside my body but I shouted and demanded to go through the scanner. They felt embarrassed and agreed to go through the scanner; meanwhile, they had spoken with the officer in charge to deactivate the machine as soon as we were to be screened. I protested and asked them why they did that. At the point of entry the plane, I sighted our board passes and discovered that they wrote ‘Sullivan brain’ against my own. I later learnt that it means that I should be treated on landing as a mentally deranged person. But instead of flying straight to Nigeria, we flew through Ghana. And when we landed in Ghana, our board passes were missing and we flew without any paper to Lagos when they handed me over to immigration. I made report that the two officers should be interrogated and be asked to remove what they put in my system but they were left to go.

So after they brought you, what happened?

There was nothing because I was not a criminal. As I am talking to you, my passport and green card are still with them in America. They have no right to do that. I wrote a letter to the Foreign Affairs and they said they are investigating. I have reported to the House of Representatives through the Diaspora Committee headed by Abike Dabriri but I suspect they have been intimidated. I have heard a lot of good things about Dabiri but I am sorry, this time around, I am disappointed. Abike said they were going to summon the US ambassador, she went there on her own and I don’t know what they discussed. I had thought they would summon the American envoy to explain why I was treated the way I was treated. She called me one day and said she didn’t want to get involved and that I could do whatever I wanted to do. I didn’t expect that from someone that is supposed to represent me.

So what is happening to your health now?

The chip is still in my system and I feel torture daily. I have 24/7 headache and the only time I feel any relief is when a plane flies overhead or when I am under the shower. I have written a letter to President Obama to deal with the bad eggs among the immigrations. As I am speaking with you, I am under torture.

Is it possible to remove the chip?

It is possible medically but we don’t have the technology in Nigeria. Many doctors don’t even know anything about it, talk less of removing it.

What of your family?

They are still in America. All my five properties have gone; I built two and bought three. I have lost all my houses, my family have moved out of my property. I was gainfully employed when I was rearrested. I was making $25 per hour; I was a licensed realtor and at the same time I was working with a big hospital in Baltimore. America is a land of opportunity but the people involved in this are the people destroying American society.

Goshen360: ^ Abeg comot for road joor. I have my own car, not rented and not borrowed. Say whatever you like. I was only laughing because you cracked me laughing with your words but doesn't mean you're right. I have eaten my tithe according to Deuteronomy 14. End of story! What are you gonna do about that?

I will hope as your logo says -SPRIRT FILLED- that your stomach will not be filled with ogogoro.. Cos no one eat the tithes and survive o.. Good thing you have been lectured, so when devourer comes knocking you can quickly beg God and start paying. He is faithful and just to forgive you and to cleanse you from all your unrighteousness.

Goshen360: You don kolo finish o Chei. So na me you dey give upper cut like this? No worry sha, you still be my brother....even though you like dey chop people tithe. Yeye boi

Truth they say is bitter and when you see one who say it with boldness its usually ascribe to him as madness... So my brother repent and dont go and borrow a car.. God has a bigger plan to bless you if only you will start paying your tithes

Image123: be mature in understanding, that is a Scripture command. Recognize the difference between kidding and seriousness.

Thank You my brother.. lets teach Pastor Christemmbassey some scriptural doctrine

christemmbassey: so God is now is a trader or money doubler or what we call in naija ecomog or wonder bank. So if person no pay tith God no go give am car?. Upon all the tith cecilia ibru paid with scam monies where is she today?

Who told you Ibru paid tithes.. he only pay the offering you guys advocated for.. Anyone who pay tithes would hardly steal, because for you to have the sense of tithes means you are really afraid of God's judgement and would be willing to make your way right before God

christemmbassey: pls answer this question sincerely if you are a christian, remember God is watching. Do you pay or collect tiths? Thanks and stay blessed.

I pay tithes and offering and you might be letting devourers enter your account if you don't pay tithes. I have never collected tithes or offering in my life, so don't even think of that

Goshen360: Tithe ko, Tithe ni. When God had already blessed me. You know the car I dey even drive sef? Make I send you my picture and the car I dey drive? You think say I pay tithe to buy my car?

Common you think i don't know how it goes.. You can either go to dealership snaps pictures of best cars or go to your friend that you think has a befitting car to borrow, you might even decide to go for car rentals so you can take the picture with so many cloths changed and also possible that you go to parking lots at Walmart to go take some pictures with car or on sunday take pictures with your pastors car.. We all know what is possible of you Mr Goshen360 my dearest brother...

Please pay tithes and you will have you own and would not need to pose with others cars

Goshen360: ANSWER below,

This is how people promote lies, heresy and error - Levites = pastors, ministers and workers in the house of God WITHOUT ANY BIBLE VERSE THAT SAYS SO OR TO VALIDATE WHAT IS SAID

A biblically sound refutation below....WITH BIBLE VERSES TO VALIDATE THE TRUTH,

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God bless you man of God! As we continue to ask them questions for the reason why tithe MUST continue for Christians, they will further be exposed because the truth will always expose falsehood! Glory to God.

You should by now be silenced with all my facts and references,,, You better go pay your tithes so God can bless you. If you pay your tithes you will see that your jalopy will be changed to Bentley in no time when God will shower his blessing on you. I know you like cars and you have been looking at those cars that pass by King Street in downtown NY

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ooman: when I say space, do u think am talking about the distance between two things in your room? you have no knowledge of what space is this is why u are quoting a creation that took place inside the earth
to compare space.

space is the empty region in which the universe exist. any apparent empty space On EARTH is not empty, its filled with gas, this is why there is gravity in the first place. so again, your god did not create space and he is a myth

For you to know that a space does not exist or is not created, then you should know how it was created? How will you determine that Space that you talk about is not created? First how do you know Space actually exist apart from scientific exploration? And if you depends on that, what actually make you think that science is right?

christemmbassey: what is false believe? So if some one refuse to steal its a false believe? Greed bad, hear and hear again, collecting tith is stealing, you must stop it, ur soul is precious, thats why we must tell you the truth, tith=law=death, but Jesus is the way, the truth and the life, just believe and you will be save .

You guys are just re-establishing my point that tithes and arms and also know as offering is the same and if its was not abolished by the law you mentioned, then tithes are not.
If you call tithes greed, what do you call arms and offering collected... i guess greedy?

christemmbassey: my beloved brother(pastor?) please answer this very simple question: who is a LEVITE in today's church? Remains blessed.

I will be glad to answer you question, however, i need to ask if you are convince by my argument?
If yes then i will tell you that the Levites in the case mentioned in this text is Pastors, ministers and workers in the house of God

christemmbassey: pay ur tith, pay ur tith, what did Goshen buy from you? Or is it a tax? Bro you cant pay God, tith, first fruits, sowing of seeds, harvests are all diff ways of stealing, be warned. Go and work, remove ur eyes from ppl monies. God bless u.

lol my fascinating pastor

Here is what tithes is to be used for in that passage you failed to read to the end:


28 At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates:

29 And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.


The levite and member of the church, community, stranger, orphan in the church and outside and they shall eat with the tithes.. meaning that money should be given to them if they need to pay their rent, eat food, buy cloths, sustain their family, get them work etc .... That is the same thing that the alms that is inform of offering which is also tithes i was telling you about is used and should be used for.. No one is advocating for eating the money and no God fearing pastor will take the money and live large on it

ooman: it is now know that SPACE and ENERGY cannot be CREATED or DESTROYED. these are the two fundamental reality in which everything else exist and are made up.

If the above are TRUE, which they are, the question is : WHAT THEN DID GOD CREATE IN THE BEGINNING.

the evident answer is NOTHING, CREATION WAS A LIE, GOD IS A MYTH AND RELIGION IS A FRAUD

If you say Space and Energy can not be created, then you do not understand some basic principles of the universe creation.
The above is not TRUE and it could have not been evident that your assumption that God created nothing is far from being true. God created Many things and God could never had been a myth, but if you say religion is fraud, and you mean the act of worshiping God is religion, then religion that does not reflect worshiping the almighty God is a fraud, but the religion that worship the almighty God is not and i repeat its NOT a fraud.


Remember that there is man creations and there is God creation.. Man might have failed in his endeavor to create space and energy, but God did not and that is one of the vintage omniscience of God. Let there be light... God created light the first day.. light is a source of energy .. The fourth day God created the Sun, moon and stars to generate light and heat for the day... light to see and heat for the plantation Genesis 1:1-6 and 14-19

He created space by separating the water that occupies the earth into one side. First from the sky and second from the ground to give way for ground and park the water to a concentrated place called sea today" Genesis 1:7-13

Goshen360: Shatap there Haven't I told you what you call 'offering' in worship places is nowhere to be found in the NT? I gave you basis on which we give money to worship gathering weekly when we gather to worship. How man times will I tell you that?

You do not need to tell me shut up, my argument will continue to talk and convince you the more till you admit publicly that i am right..So don't be afraid re-read my comments and get enlighten

Goshen360: Shey bi you don sign off the other I.D abi, now na to use another one Welldone! You wey I don catch you already

You are just being paranoid because you could not imagine someone tackling your false belief

Candour: i've read it and i asked you to expatiate on Deut 14:22-29, you refused.there is also the functions of the levites and priests that made it imperative for them to receive tithes and offerings in Num 18 and i also begged you to check it up but you did not.

Until you study them and ruminate over them,you might not understand ABOLITION OF THE PRIESTHOOD for which tithes was established.

for the records, according to Rom 15:25-27, 1Cor16:1-3, 2Cor 8:1-15, 2Cor 9:1-12 i affirm that giving as enunciated by Paul was solely for the purpose of helping poor and Needy christians primarily @ Jerusalem.It was NEVER done as a religious rite.call it offering,contribution,charity or whatever.It was simply a ONE OFF welfare contribution for THE POOR,not for A PASTOR OR A PRIEST.

One i think you might be mis-quoating yourself. I don't have that luxury time answering your question, one in part, you might find it hard understanding it, since your mind might not be receptive under a high volatile assumption of the scripture. Also i think you are misplacing fact with content of your scriptural text given.

Here in Mark 6: 7-8, Jesus was sending out his disciples and instructing them not to take money with them and food, can you tell me where you want them to get food if not from the people they were to preached the word of God to?


7 And he called unto him the twelve, and began to send them forth by two and two; and gave them power over unclean spirits;

8 And commanded them that they should take nothing for their journey, save a staff only; no scrip, no bread, no money in their purse:


In another passage Luke 10:3-6 He said the same thing


3 Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves.

4 Carry neither purse, nor scrip, nor shoes: and salute no man by the way.

5 And into whatsoever house ye enter, first say, Peace be to this house.

6 And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest upon it: if not, it shall turn to you again.

Also look at Jesus instruction again to his disciples

Matthew 6:25-28

25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?

26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?

27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?

28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:


You must have thought that the disciples would have died of hunger.. But Jesus knows that if they were accepted and the peace of God rest in the house, the people will surely give them food, money, cloths and anything needed for their needs and not for their wants...

Finally to buttress my point that the maintanance of pastors, i meant those that are faithful in his service are to be sustained by the church, the people, i mean church members through tithes and offering...

Look at Jesus here eating with with someone he was about to preach the gospel of christ to.. Mark 2:13-17

13 And he went forth again by the sea side; and all the multitude resorted unto him, and he taught them.

14 And as he passed by, he saw Levi the son of Alphaeus sitting at the receipt of custom, and said unto him, Follow me. And he arose and followed him.

15 And it came to pass, that, as Jesus sat at meat in his house, many publicans and sinners sat also together with Jesus and his disciples: for there were many, and they followed him.

16 And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?

17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.


Tithess and offering was not abolished, rather the new commandment that was abolished was updated.. The commandments are thou shall not

the commandment on kill for kill and eye for an eye in old---is now you shall forgive 70 X 70.. and if someone slap your right cheek turn the left cheek is the new commandment
thou shall not convert your neighbor wife, in old ---- fornication and adultery is bad in new testament
thou shall not serve any other God beside me,in old ---- in new it is thou shall love the lord they God with all thy heart
thou shall not maltreat your servant... --- thou shall love thy neighbor
Though shall offer your sacrifice of burnt, peace, sin offerings in old--- --Pray without season and pray for forgiveness, sing psalm and songs to God-- Psalm 22:3 God inhabit the praise of his people--And we can see paul and Silas pray and sing songs
Priest of Aaron the old---- Jesus the new priest
Thithes and offering in the old---- Give alms and as it was written in many places you quoated including Matthew 6:1-2 when jesus was commanding his disciples how to give alms in secret not openly

Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

The commandment is updated and therefore also mean its abolished...


If this does not convince you, there is nothing that will and your other believers of tithes abolition