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oaroloye

WHERE DID YAHSHUA TEACH HIS DISCIPLES TO LAUGH AT OTHERS?

. LUKE 6:20-26.

20. And he lifted up his eyes
on his Disciples,
and Said,
"Blessed be ye Poor:
for yours is
The Kingdom of God.
21. "Blessed are ye
that hunger now:
for ye shall be filled.
Blessed are ye that weep now:
for ye shall laugh.
22. "Blessed are ye,
when men shall hate you,
and when they shall
separate you from their company,
and shall reproach you,
and cast out
your name as Evil,
for the Son of Man's sake.
23. "Rejoice ye in that day,
and leap for Joy:
for, behold, your Reward
is Great in Heaven:
for in the like manner
did their fathers
unto The Prophets.
24. "But woe unto you
that are rich!
For ye have received
your Consolation.
25. "Woe unto you that are full!
For ye shall hunger.
Woe unto you that laugh now!
For ye shall mourn and weep.
26. "Woe unto you,
when all men shall
speak well of you!
For so did their fathers
to the False Prophets."

IT WOULD BE A GREAT SHAME ON ME, IF IGNORANT DUNCES, SUCH AS YOURSELF, WERE TO PRAISE ME!

You and I know that you have very well misconstrued that passage, now, who is the IGNORANT DUNCE? Your Yahshua taught you not to laugh and not to get rich, but very well taught you to call people names. I see! O ye paragon of knowledge. Such Immaturity!

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DON'T JUST TALK RUBBISH.

If you have Knowledge SHOW PEOPLE, that they may BENEFIT!

If you know any other valid Teacher, TELL US THEIR NAMES!

Whom have you helped, railingly accusing your Elder and Better?

Where are your websites?

How many Forums and Groups have you been kicked out of?

How many Death-Threats have you received?

Sigh! Accolades. You're no different from a worldly man, yours is just for spiritual things. I wouldn't satisfy you by stooping so low. I have nothing to prove with you. Your Yahshua didn't go asking the Pharisees that challenged him such ridiculous questions. You have a lot to learn from your Yahshua, really!

With your responses, revelation(s)/understanding of scriptures are not at all exclusive to you. In fact, one should be most careful of you.

People are DYING, because they don't know what I know.

You say "TAKE DOSES OF CHILL PILLS?"

Where would you be today, if the martyrs of the past had just "TAKEN DOSES OF CHILL-PILLS?"

I am not doing this to make MYSELF comfortable- but to make THOSE WORTHY comfortable.

You are UNWORTHY.

Hahahaa! I very well appreciate your complement. O Worthy ONE! You do not only misunderstand scriptures, you also misunderstand statements made by people to you, I wonder how your folks cope.

That is HIS Knowledge, and YOUR Knowledge.

Paul's Vision and YOUR Vision.

Not MY Knowledge, and not MY Vision.

Alright then sir. Thank You. I see my post obviously wasn't to and for you. I'm sorry for making wrong assumptions that you had partial knowledge, and you possibly couldn't ever be wrong about a thing.

Hey, I'm only 56 years old- what the Hell could I POSSIBLY know?

You don't say!

Of what use is your age to do with me? Your Yahshua was merely 12 when he posed to be a problem to people your age. Of what use was their age to him?

ON THE CONTRARY, I AM THE GREATEST AUTHORITY ON "LOVE" PRESENT AT THIS TIME.

The Ancient Greek Language had TWELVE DIFFERENT WORDS the last English Barbarians called "LOVE."

The only one YOUR ILK know, EROS: ROMANTIC LOVE, is the only one not used in the New Testament.

[See my Blog: LOVE: DISAMBIGUATION AND CLARIFICATION.]

Guy! Shift abeeg.

HOW DO YOU COME UP WITH THAT ALLEGATION?

Pride comes before a fall, knowledge puffs up. You are very well puffed up, and you don't know it. You are 56 doesn't mean the rest of us don't have a brain. 56 doesn't mean brain, doesn't mean sh!t bro. My allegations about you aren't wrong, and they weren't even allegations in the first place, they were merely (Concluded) observations. And dude! Your reply just proved all to be TRUE.

My Knowledge cannot do you any good, since you are not worthy.

THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH trains its Undercover Operatives to disrupt Christian Gatherings.

If everybody here is okay with you slandering and reviling me, they must all be Vatican Servants.

And because you are 56, and a paragon of knowledge, it is now you who dictates who is worthy? LOOOL. Now, I see where your hate is coming from. Your beef is not with me, it's with the Pope and his people.

And please STFU! Nobody is slandering and reviling you. Bring yourself out of the sh!thole self-pity you're trying to put yourself in. Nobody is buying it.

Sigh! Dude, you need help! You're seriously suffering from PARANOIA, almost PTS if you ask me.

Sunglow:
Everybody have been saved LEGALLY, BUT EACH AND EVERY SOUL NEEDS TO ACCEPT THAT SALVATION VITALLY.

Now if any SOUL rejcts the Salavation wrought in Christ, and eventually dies, that SOUL will go to hell, not as a result of their SINS cos their SINS has been taken care of, but as a result of NOT ACCEPTING SALAVATION IN CHRIST.

God gave up His, sent Him to hell that we should not end up in hell, but if one refuses the offer God has proposed in Christ, then hell shall be their eternity.

God is too good, and SALAVATION in Christ is the antantidote for the Sinner Man.

No other way.

It deeply grieves me to see and know people think this way. To think that what God did for mankind is an OFFER to be accepted. Who the blessed taught us so? What on earth is LEGAL and VITAL Salvation? Are you one of them apologetics too?

Salvation is not an OFFER, otherwise, it is reduced do something that can be "rejected". However, if considered from the angle of a signed CONTRACT (the blood of Jesus being the Seal), the it's only to be REALIZED.

So, does one's not realizing this make God's PERFECT FINISHED WORK in Christ for the World ineffective? Naaaah! Check out Romans again, you'll see Paul making it the more clear which is the most significant and eternally important realities (Legal or Vital).

Does the clay say to the Potter, why hath thou made me so?
The clays RECEIVING shape and size is in the Potter's GIVING it.
Is the Potter thus raping the Clay? Ask Paul.

Have you ever heard in this life that the baby in a Pregnant woman was either accepting or rejecting the Mother's love? Legal or vital reality. Otherwise, I don't think you seem to understand God's connection with man. EVERYTHING PERTAINING TO SALVATION IS GOD, All God. There's not one thing Man did or will do to make it any more EFFECTIVE than it already is.

smsglory:
Habatically,the difference is clear na...Tehno is not in same legeaue as Huawei ooo,Lialia.
Have you seen a techno on GSM ARENA....? HOW E WON TAKE ENTER.

IN FACT THE PHANTOM 6+ DESIGN IS STOLEN, COS IT LOOKED LIKE THE Mate8, but the stuff inside the Mate8 is out of this world, little wonder the phantom6+ is selling for #128.

But don't ever compare both device

Wait, I'm not the one who compared both devices to start with. I only SAW the comparison and was surprised about it. Secondly, GSM arena is not the only website you could find authentic devices. That Tecno isn't there doesn't mean they are any less authentic. It could be as a result of some unknown bias. Have you ever seen LAVA or YU in Africa? But if they happen to enter Naija, wouldn't you doubt their authenticity even as they are on GSM Arena? The website isn't the ultimate guarantee for authentic smartphones, so just lockup that GSM Arena talk. That a company decided to make Africa their major market, rather than home country, doesn't make them less authentic, their research probably showed African market would be most lucrative.

You say the design is stolen, I say you're probably not wrong. Does it do just as well as the Huawei mate 8? Almost, the ratings aren't too far from each other. I don't think the price is overhyped. It was what I saw I said, and here's my reason for my initial claim that wasn't even a conclusion, because I was just as surprised as y'all.

aliyubaka:
Tecno agents we know una. Techno can never produce a phone like Huawei-Mate series. Have you used any huawei-phones before?. Stop deceiving people. Techno is not even a world brand. Check Gsmarena or phonearena if you will see anything like techno Phantom.

You're unfortunately sad, and I can't help you. Check my profile well, and ask me if I look like a Tecno agent to you. See how you're afire for Huawei, have I called you a Huawei agent? I came up here to tell what I saw on a website and you began cursing me. Because of social media, you've thrown your manners to the wind. What a waste!

aliyubaka:
You must be crazy to compare Huawei-Mate to techno

LOOOL. You're angry o. You obviously haven't seen the benchmark scores online then. Please, go and check before calling me crazy. Bye!

I just saw benchmark for Phantom 6+, mehn! it beats the Ascend Mate 8 o

Team TECNO blazing the trail. . Somebody some days ago called them the AntiChrist. I laugh in spanish.

LOOOL. Anytime I read oaroloye's input on religious posts, I just chuckle. LOOOL

The audacity is quite ridiculous sir. I'm not sorry for putting it out to you. The revelation(s)/understanding of scripture is not exclusive to you. You really need to take doses of chill pills. Even Paul said we know in parts, and our visions are as like a smoky screen. You say you speak with knowledge, what exactly do you even know? really?

You have no understanding of Love, and you think your knowledge is on feet? You better look down and check again, Mr. Knowledge. Just come here to drop monotonous long posts

Hi Berlynn,

"For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body, but made alive in the spirit, in which He also went and preached to the spirits in prison, who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah, while the ark was being built. In the ark a few people, only eight souls, were saved through water." - 1 Pet 3:18-20.

Not like I know stuff or anything, Just sharing. No soul goes to waste with God. NONE! is condemned. He either saves ALL or saves NONE. But since he said he will save ALL, then He meant it. I haven't died sha, so I can not tell yet LOL. Except to answer you using same scriptures from which you asked your questions.

About Hell, "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death." - Rev 20:14. Hell apparently isn't eternal, it has an end.

Upon reading scriptures thoroughly, Everything about God is ONE, hence God's judgement isn't apart from His Love, neither is his wrath apart from His righteousness. Only wicked people that do not understand these workings separate them and threaten a people with the fear of wrath and Hell.

Some people propose it is the ones who do not believe that will use their freewill to go to Hell. That God is loving but he will allow them the choice they make/made. But that sounds quite ridiculous if you asked me. Here's why: "the Living One. I was dead, and behold, now I am alive forever and ever! And I hold the keys of Death and of Hell" - Rev 1:18. This same one that holds the keys of death and hell is said to have this mission - "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved" - John 3:17. How will the one said to save rather than condemn, whom also has seized the keys of death and hell, fail at his mission because of an irresponsive attitude towards Love? Was he not the same one that asked us to "love our enemies and pray for them?" - Matt 5:44 Ridiculous? I think the same. If he can't keep his own laws, why should we? are we more righteous or merciful?

"The Lord's portion is His people" - Deut 32:9
"The earth is the LORD's, and everything in it. The world and all its people belong to him." - Psm 24:1
"Then the end will come, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father... And when all things have been subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will be made subject to Him who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all." - 1 Cor 15:25, 29

Consider these things, then will you begin to know your God

Stupedinluv:
prOblem oo

Thank you for taking your time to explain some things to me.

But i have two questions:

1, Are you saying everyone will be saved? I thought God chose some people, even predestined them. Why choose when he would supposedly save everyone ?

2, Will some people be saved in the grave or after life since you say there is no hell?

LOL. Any time dear, I sent you a mail btw. Plus, my moniker is pr(number zero)blem, not pr(letter O)blem. This error makes me miss your mentions.

1. See, a lot more is behind the idea of "salvation" than the concept of whether a few people are selected for heaven or hell. Consider this, if God should choose some people, it is whose fault the others that weren't chosen the fate they have? If God should choose some people before the even beginning the order of the world, why didn't he just work with those number of chosen people, and save himself the stress of the unneeded? If God chooses half of people A for destination B, ultimately it can be said that he chose the other half of people A for destination C (if there are only two destinations B and C).

The concept of Grace is not Grace for some, it is Grace for ALL. This is Grace:
- "who was delivered up because of our offences, and was raised up because of our being declared righteous." - Rom 4:25
- "Clearly, Christ's love guides us. We are convinced of the fact that one man has died for all people. Therefore, all people have died." - 2 Cor 5:14
- "Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved" - Eph 2:5.
- "Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead." - Col 2:12
- "And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:" - Eph 2:6
- "That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life" - Titus 3:7

By the God maths: it's ALL or NONE. He didn't die for a chosen people, so the said verses cannot and do not imply He left some out of this operation called Grace - this has put everybody on equal grounds. So, when God says he can and he would, he wasn't joking. He's titled God the Savior of all because he couldn't fail at what he knows to do best.

2. Interesting question, it is often said, taught or thought that "death" is the end. But have you ever considered this statement made by Paul:

"Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power... And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all." - 1 Cor 15:24, 28

This is the true END, when the Son returns all the father has given, that God should be all and in all. An end suggests the conclusion of an act/plan.

Jesus also once made this statement "Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice" - John 5:28.

Do you think GOD has any limits at all?

In fact, do you remember when Christ told John "I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death." - Rev 1:18

See, I don't know much about an afterlife, neither have I died, but it is obvious from the writings of you Holy Book that "death" isn't the end; for in fact, death has it's appointed end. LOL

Lol. This is ridiculously unfortunate. But all of una go dey alright last last.

AnonyNymous:
I didn't get your mention! It must've been a glitch.

-As for the part of the metal, although they are communicating, we don't understand. Not everyone is a material scientist. But I feel like the supposed master of the universe, despite the fact that 'he' doesn't have a human appearance, if he is omnipotent, amd omniscient like Christianity says, then he should be able to understand whatever language or method we use to communicate.

-I really enjoyed discussing with you, honestly. And the main thing is that we have common ground in the most important thing, that what matters the most is the PRESENT, the NOW, and peaceful coexistence should be our goal. We have minor differences in philosophies but all those don't matter as long as we have this same ground here. The wish to do what is best for humanity

Hehehe! Thanks for your questions and contributions bro. Really, I honestly enjoyed my conversation with you too.

And I'm the more glad we agree that Love and Peace is greater than doctrines and philosophies. And we understand that whatever doctrines we come up with should profit our coexistence. I honestly wished our religious brothers understood the sayings of their Masters and Prophets so much as to realize our conclusion was always their point.

If you asked me, upon scrutinizing a little bit every thread on this section... it has come to my observation that there are two Lords in battle.

Lord God - the one who started the business of Creation only to gain a little profit in the end because his creation thwarted his plans. Or, no! His plans were in fact to make little profit all along. Purify a few metals and throw the slag in the trash. Bake some breads and throw the excess to the dogs. Deliver packages of salvation to the house of every human, and become the evil Santa who goes over to punish the ones that left the gifts untouched. What a smart business man. Why should I place my confidence in such a one?

Lord Satan - the smart guy in the history of bad ass. This one waits for the business man to open shop, in order to make him run at a loss. The best at recycling trash. This one unlocks the ability to possess a Being, breaking many rules the Oga at the top sadly maintains, because of Ego-Pride (or whatever it is). This same bad guy, somehow is better at convincing these Humans to do his will rather than the will of their creator combined. Most of the time, he sha outsmarts God. When God makes a gain of 1, this bad Nigga right here makes a gain of 1million. LOOL. He makes God look like a complete failure who doesn't know what he's doing.

Abeeg, shouldn't the more Lucrative Lord be the true God, àbí? What's your take?

frubben:
Brother the simple truth is, the more you visit religious gathering (church) the more u doubt God because of what you would see there. Stay at home study your bible regularly, let the holy Spirit be your true guild and always be open minded, look for people of like mind and christ like to share the scripture with. That's how I overcome this organize religion. God bless u.

Joeblis, I quite agree with this post. Jesus is not a Christian, God is not a Christian. The same Bible you're holding says God is Love (explaining a lot to help the PRESENT NOW).

Let your spiritualism be in pursuit of Love. You'll find God, just as you're finding yourself (and all peoples). You could never stray, for all paths are in God. Follow the peace in your heart, for peace is the voice of the Shepherd that calls.

DoctorAlien:
This is the type of gospel men are preaching today that a sinner will not perish even if he continues in his sin.

If there was no problem with man continuing in sin, when then did Jesus come to die?

"He that, being often reproved, hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy." Prov. 29:1.

"Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." Luke 13:3.

"But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption." 2 Pet. 2:12.

Tell the sinner to repent or else he will be destroyed!

Brother, you think "reproof" in that passage is talking about Sin? Haha! Read it again sir. You need to do a lot of redefining.

You think Sin is the problem? Then you're living in the past Sir. You think "sin" and "no sin" is the purpose of life and creation as implied by your Holy Book? I'm sorry to say, then, you haven't gotten the point of the Book you hold in your hand. Maybe you should take a quick look at this scripture.

"Christ died once and faced the judgment of the entire human race! His second appearance has nothing to do with sin, but to reveal salvation for all to lay a hold of him." — Heb 9:28 ([See Heb 9:11]

He appeared as High Priest before the Throne of Justice once, with his own blood to atone for the sins of the whole world. In his resurrection he appeared as Savior of the world! Sin is no longer on the agenda for the Lamb of God has taken away the sin of the world! Jesus Christ fulfilled mankind’s destiny with death! [1 Cor 15:3-5, Rom 4:25, Acts 17:30, 31.])  Note: (Even in his first coming, he did not come to condemn the world. The Father judges no one for he has handed over all judgment to the son, who judged the world in righteousness when he took their chastisement in his own body. Now in his appearance in us, his body, his mission is to unveil the consequence of redemption through the Holy Spirit. This is not to be confused with the doctrine of his second coming. Many scriptures have been translated and interpreted with only a futuristic value and have consequently neutralized many, like the Jews, to diligently wait for the Messiah still to come. The Messiah has come once and for all as Messiah. Jesus appeared again after his resurrection and now his resurrection life in us as his body is the extension of his second appearance; God making his appeal to an already reconciled world to “be reconciled!” [Acts 3:26, 2 Cor 5:19, 20] The church continued to postpone the reality that God introduced in Christ. We are now already fully represented in his blamelessness! The second coming as doctrine is not in context of these chapters at all! [See 1 Pet 1:10-13] The Aramaic word, maranatha, means our Lord has come!)

DoctorAlien:
So according to you, no one will perish? Does these verses agree?

"For GOD so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish..." John 3:16

"But the heavens and the earth, which are now by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men." 2 Pet. 3:7.

A better read for you to understand - Sir:

John 3:16-17

16 "For thus God loves the world (the universe; the ordered arrangement; the organized system [of life and society]; or: = all mankind), so that He gives His uniquely-born [with other MSS: the only-begotten] Son, (or, reading wste as an adverb: You see, in this manner God loves the sum total of created beings as being the Son: He gives the Only-begotten One; or: reading wV te: For you see, [it is] in this way [that] God loves the aggregate of humanity – even as it were His Son: He gives the uniquely-born One), to the end that all (or: everyone) – the one habitually believing, putting confidence and trusting into Him – would not lose or destroy himself, or cause himself to fall into ruin, but rather can continuously have (or: would habitually possess and hold) eonian life (age-durative life with qualities derived from the Age [of the Messiah]; living existence of and for the ages). [note 1): I have here given the “fact” sense of the aorist tense of the verbs “love” and “give” rather than the simple past tense. The statement by Jesus is a “timeless” fact of God; it signifies that the object of His love and His gift (that object being the cosmos, the universe, the world of men and created beings) is in view as a whole, and both the love and the gift are presented as fact, as one complete whole (punctiliar) which exists apart from any sense of time (i.e., coming from the realm or sphere of the “eternal,” or, “the Being of God;” note 2): Paul Tillich defines "love" (agape): the whole being's drive and movement toward reunion with another, to overcome existential separation; an ecstatic manifestation of the Spiritual Presence; acceptance of the object of love without restriction, in spite of the estranged, profanized and demonized state of the object;

17 "For God does not send forth His [other MSS: the] Son as an Emissary, or Representative, into the world (or: System; aggregate of humanity) to the end that He should continuously separate and make decisions about the world (or: would at some point sift and judge the System, or the aggregate of humanity), but to the contrary, to the end that the world would be delivered (or: that the System could be healed and made whole; that the ordered arrangement should be restored to health; that the aggregate of mankind may be saved – rescued and re-established in its original state): through Him!

Just maybe you should study a little Greek to see the explanation of things behind the English interpretations given you by your translations.

Then, when you get the picture of the most part of scriptures, you'll be able to divide rightly Christ from Culture.

AnonyNymous:
I appreciate you too. My opening comment on this thread was fueled from the disgusting nature in which Christians in this section justify evil and make mockery of anyone who challenges them. Just before I opened your thread, I saw one guy calling Tecno mobile phone company the Antichrist.
Now, when I said life wasn't fair, I failed to add 'from our perspective'. You have done that for me, and you went further to say that the creator of the universe sees it as fair and just from his perspective, which we are too limited to understand. Your belief also correlates with Einstein's scientific understanding of the multiverse theory(there are many different approaches to the multi verse theory) in which all possible outcomes exist in an infinite number of parallel universes, and that free will is an illusion. A lot of metaphysicists and scientists disagree with his assertion, while some support it. Its basically saying that in some parallel universe somewhere, that Aliyu that you see begging on the street is the president of Nigeria. This, makes everything fair and balanced. However for this to work there is no free will, and the 'free will we experience is only an illusion'. Just like you stated. I'm on the side that disagrees with this, however.

First off, some recent studies show that consciousness could be separate from the physical body. This would definitely explain the verified cases of reincarnation phenomena. Some philosophies also use reincarnation to account for the 'balance in nature', saying that for example, the beggar you see today could've been Hitler in his past life, etc. All that is so crazy to even start to think of. There are so many philosophies, so much to learn, and I prefer to say 'I don't know' than to hold on to one belief as the absolute truth.

I just don't think that a god, who has personal feelings (as described in the bible) would allow people he created with emotions, to experience pain. You said that as we bang metal and so on into place, how are we sure the metal isn't feeling pain? Its a nice analogy, but the difference is that the metal cannot communicate with us, however, the christian god is supposed to be able to communicate with us. That is, we cannot hear a piece of metal crying out, but god, the creator, can hear us crying out to him.

So you don't believe in the conventional return and reward strategy used by religion to scare people into believing. OK good. I don't either.

And I'm on par with you encouraging people to 'do the good they can do'. That's basically just humanism. Doing good not because of fear of punishment, but because you're human.

-Something I really question is his you came to the conclusion/firm conviction about your description of god. How do you know that description is correct? Were you taught? Or what exactly is your source?

You asked to know my opinion on things like thus, coincidentally I opened a thread this morning. Here: https://www.nairaland.com/3373615/musings-agnostic-deist

Hahahaa! Whoever calls Tecno the antiChrist is Hungry. LOOL

Now, on the matter of freewill and predestination - A Sage once said "Whether or not Freewill or Predestination is what is playing out, what IS would remain what IS". So, basically, many of us use these two concepts to justify our description of life and God. But whoever said the idea that is "freewill" was not in fact predestined to play out as a possibility, just as the shadow is a cast of the real Being. The shadow does not have independent operation. So, when I implied "the free will we experience is only an illusion", I meant something like the relationship between Shadow and Being.

Now, I absolutely agree that consciousness is separate from Physical body, and there's one Consciousness expressing itself in the infinite number of physical body. So, the idea of reincarnation shouldn't be far fetched. I'm not different from you, neither are you from the leader of the Boko Haram group. And I agree with you that there is a lot to learn, however, if we do not share what we know (just as we are doing now), how do we increase in the understanding of things? I would rather tell what I know how I know than say I don't know. Since we started this conversation, I've been wanting to know what you think, and I have been asking you to consider my statements, and give your opinion. I do not claim to know it all, but I sure know better than to hold on to certain opinions.

Now, about the metal analogy, you think the metal isn't complaining? Wait till you do material science. Language is not only to words and expressions, everything existing communicates (to a certain degree). The metal communicates by displacements and reactions. That it is not yelling doesn't mean it is not responding to your action. However, we ignore the responses to all "supposed non-living" things. Material scientists can tell that all materials communicate. ALL. There's a pattern of communication. Many times, we are lost in the idea that God is a man, with ears just like ours and mouth just like ours, and he speaks our languages. "You are God, but God is not You".

LOOOL. I've not concluded bro. I'm of Christian background, however, inconsistencies as taught led me to understand things for myself. I connect with that which resonates within me, and I've somehow found a connection in and with all things. This has brought me some great amount of Peace, unlike that given to me buy religion.

The truth is, our concepts of whether or not God exists or not will not create or uncreate One. The point is, I presently exist, and so does a billion others. So, my quest has been on how do I find my peace as I vibrate through time? Whatever I find helpful in the NOW, I share with others. I don't need the Universe to be my audience, I just need the few who find peace in my considerations just as some find in yours. We do not need to condemn our opinions, we can co-exist if Peace is our goal.

What you think?

DoctorAlien:
Will anybody go to hell? Yes or No?

What is the purpose of going to Hell sir? If there is going to be a Hell, it has to be in God, for God is the omnipresent ALL that is in ALL. Where does Hell want to exist if God has occupied all the space. God doesn't need hell to do his job.

If all things are in God, and are made up of God, then sending some to Hell is like saying you cut off your finger and threw it in the trash. God has a WHOLE BODY.

There's no such thing as hell. It's not a place anyone goes to. If one person goes, all people go. If one person doesn't go, all people do not go. That's the order of Christ; God.

DoctorAlien:
So, according to you, nobody will go to hell or perish?

God will not condemn what he can fix.

"For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him" - John 3:17

"For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but to do the will of Him who sent Me" - John 6:38

“You are judging carnally; I am judging no one.” - John 8:15

"As for anyone who hears My words and does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I have not come to judge the world, but to save the world." - John 12:47

"Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust." - John 5:45

The one who condemns is the one who cannot do the fixing, Moses and his Law. The one who doesn't condemn, is God, he makes sure to fix all them that needs fixing.

AnonyNymous:
-OK, nice. Yes, I feel good when I accomplish things. But the supposed omnipotent, omniscient, omniprescent, creator of the universe who is the EPITOME OF PERFECTION should not make mistakesm. He shouldn't be capable of having any burnt dodo when frying. Because he's supposed to be perfect.
-Another thing I want to add is that you're basically implying that life isn't fair, and there is nothing we can do about it. Now when you fry dodo and some turn out good, while some turn out bad, the plantain is a non living thing so the burnt Ines can't complain. But when you give the plantain the ability to think and feel, isn't that evil and wicked? To allow some plantain actually feel the pain of getting burnt and watching their mates turn out into perfect brown dodo? If they are allowed to blame the fryer, what good does it do them when the fryer isn't even visible or available? Why would the fryer, who is supposed to be the number one chef is the world, allow some of his did to get burnt? And give them the ability to feel and endure the pain of getting burnt, then getting thrown in the trash?
-Lastly, you said you don't believe that god will throw people in hell since it isn't their fault. Then, what happens when we die? Will you both send me, and the person who killed me to the same heaven? What explanation do you want to give to them to understand? What will you tell the person who was born and dumped in a trash can, that had to live in the streets all his life? How will god convince him that despite doing that to him, while letting other people enjoy lavish wealth and money, they still get to take the same reward? How will anyone still believe such a god is all-loving and benevolent?

I really appreciate your questions though, and I like that to this point, we haven't become violent. I say a big thank you.

- Yes, Exactly. The one who should be the better judge of the matter should be the cook, fryer of plantain. He should be the one to better tell whether or not a plantain got burnt or not, or whether or not such plantain should be condemned. Of course, we both know such dodo never goes to waste, however. Now, it is because we are in the process of life that we thus judge the way we do; Some burnt, others brown. The plantain is never in the right position to judge whatever it is going on in the pot.

- LOOL. I didn't imply so. I'm implying we aren't in the position to judge whether or not life is fair or not. Let us let life be the judge. When we meet life, life will give us it's own opinion and perspective to things. Now, I consider your pointed out scenario a little inaccurate, it's not like mine perfectly states accurately this relationship as well. All analogies are merely to help get a point. I don't want to get defensive and closed-minded but I will try to explain as best as I can how I see things. Of course, we are humans who feel whatever it is that's going on now.

I'm sorry, but in the grand scheme of things, how we feel is somewhat inconsequential to the planned purpose of the process that is life. Here's my point, the process is not the thing. We heat and beat metal to form things, whoever said the metal doesn't feel what we are doing, and isn't complaining? On a smaller scale, the atoms that make up the metal are being displaced in that process - that's it complaining btw. We justify our actions for carrying out such actions by concluding our quest is to achieve much more beautiful works. Why can't we see this as same thing "life" is doing?

How best can existence be explained if it isn't with a planned end? Otherwise, what is the purpose of man's trying to make sense out of it? In fact, I'll love to hear your opinion on this matter.

Plus, there's no such thing as trash as suggested by many. LOL. Even slag metal, waste metal upon purification, is still put to use. Nothing is condemned by the force behind all things.

- The love of the fryer for the plantain is not emotional, it is purposeful. Now, the idea of a return and a reward and a punishment and a hell and a heaven is just something used to get people to behave better (behavior and moral purposes). Do you think the one who designed all things will need those to achieve his goal or aim? Now, on passing light through a prism, colors and different frequencies are observed, it doesn't mean all together are no longer light. For you to perfectly judge the individuals, you need to first return them to the origin. All we do with divided religion and spirituality is divide one Life that runs through and holds the universe as one. The only wise words I could give people such as "the baby that was born and dumped in a trash can, and living in the streets, the ones experiencing wars, plus the ones who don't know suffering and are living lavish in luxury" are
1. Do the good you know to do, we are individuals made out of one body.
2. And for peace; there are two perspectives to life's matter, the perspective of the clay and the perspective of the potter. When the clay is "fondled" on the potter's wheel, it obviously doesn't look peaceful, but from the perspective of the potter's purpose for it, it is in fact in the most peaceful state. Hence, "Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.".

DoctorAlien:
Pr0blem,

Those who will be lost, will it be that they couldn't have done anything about it?

Na wa o. You're still about "those who will be lost". LOOL

Where in scriptures did it say ANY WILL BE LOST?

And if any will be lost, we blame the One who was assigned to watch over them.

The idea that a thing can be "Lost" suggests they "Belong" to someone, and they are "Watched" by that said one.

So, if there's any such case of a "LOST", then the Integrity of their owner should be questioned.

DoctorAlien:
Problem,

Those that will be lost, will it be that they couldn't have done anything about it?

The interaction between Jesus Christ and that impotent man represents GOD's relationship with sinners. Someone can choose to be lost. At that particular instance, the impotent man could have told Jesus "I don't want to be made whole", just as we hear some atheists today declare they don't want to go to Heaven.

GOD provided salvation for all in Jesus Christ, but John 3:16 says that you first have to believe. Believing in Jesus Christ is the first step towards salvation.

Again, I'm telling you your instance is not accurate to be used as any sort of relationship between God and sinners. Do you not understand Paul when he says "ALL MEN DIED", " WE WERE DEAD". What DEAD man has a choice abeeg? The better instance to perfectly explain God and sinners is Lazarus and Jesus. We are talking about "LIFE", not "healing". Healing is merely a subset of LIFE. He came to give LIFE to ALL them that were dead; this was how he found the LOST.

When Jesus got to the grave, he didn't ask Lazarus (meaning: Whom God helps/saves) if he wanted to be resurrected, that's a very ridiculous question. But he gave Lazarus LIFE.

I'm not sure you know what Sin and Sinner is as used in your Bible. It is DEATH, not a state of partial consciousness or impotence. It's a state of TOTAL and ABSOLUTE UNCONSCIOUSNESS. That's how you Bible put it by Paul's explanations.

Take for instance, your child was drowning in a pool, and it was apparent she was unconscious, would you wait to ask if she wanted to be saved? Really?! In fact, even if she was partially conscious, would you grant her the opportunity to play the "freewill" card? If yes is your answer, you're not worthy of being called Father. Reckon same scenario to Salvation, God and Sinners.

AnonyNymous:
OK, my bad for assuming.
I didn't know you practice another brand of Christianity.
-But first off, why does your god praise himself for what he has done? Isn't that a bit, narcissistic?
-Secondly, in other words, your god is responsible for people's suffering, and there's nothing they can do about it. Can you give me any good reason why people who are suffering should not curse god and spit at the mention of its name?
-Also, if he didn't supposedly send Jesus to die, then why did he send him (assuming Jesus actually existed)

I like your questions. And I'm for no brand of Christianity. I simply used Christianese to speak to the Christians on this forum who keep blaming and condemning people for what and who they are.

It's without question that not all people chose to be where the are. If they had the choice, the would have chosen better than the Universe did for them.

- Consider this, you're God on a small scale. The Universe is a grand scale. Now, you do things like "fry plantain" and you feel good about it. The architect draws a plan and upon completion, he feels good about the accomplishment of his work. The doctor saves a life, and she feels good about the accomplishment of her vision. The cook derives pleasure in preparing a delicious meal. If "Self-admiration" is mistaken for "excessive self-admiration" then the problem is with English and your interpretation of what I said. Unless of course, you have a problem admiring yourself.

- Existence is happening through and as each and everyone of us. We didn't choose to exist, we found ourselves existing. Do you suppose you chose to exist? And the people suffering chose to? If I would blame anything, I will blame Existence, or whatever it is that's behind the play of existence. If that's God, yes, I'll blame God. If you know who it is, tell me... I'll still blame whoever, just as you are.

- Many great philosophers/scientists/spiritualists have proposed the duality in Nature. How that of two things, one must first occur before the other comes. e.g. darkness and light, hate and love, nothingness and the bigbang... I'm however of the opinion that these two things are One. Just like the caterpillar transforms into a butterfly, and the seed transforms into a tree, as a baby transforms into a man and night transforms into day. One must die for the other to express itself. However, upon expression, there's the multiplication effect. Just like light passed through a prism is divided into frequencies or colors. Jesus was simply seeking to enlighten his people (Israelites) how the Universe/Existence is. One thing manifesting itself in ALL things.

Simply put in my own little understanding, if you know better, share and I'll put your words to consideration. But I'm definitely not a man that supports the god of the Bible. I just know I support Love (and I'm for each and everyone of us manifesting as it in different frequencies and colors). In collectedness, sense is made of the whole.

AnonyNymous:
That's what I'm saying. I read your post thoroughly. The fryer doesn't punish them because they didn't cook themselves, right? But the Christian god punishes people to burn eternally.

Of course, the conventional Christian god does.

It's not an attribute of a God who knows what He's doing. It's not an attribute of a God that calls Himself Love. It's not an attribute of a God that says He forgives and is full of mercy. It's not an attribute of a God that says he cannot even recall the offenses of the world. It's not even an attribute of a God that would need to "kill his own son to be able to forgive, and forget".

The real fryer never punishes the plantain for turning out burnt, or for being beautifully brown. All is to the fryer's glory. He praises himself for what HE HAS DONE. Anyone that must boast should boast in what the fryer has done.

Wefiak1414:
Take a look at iphone 7 price tag. Hhhhmmmmm is like overpricing Pogba

Buying the iPhone 7 is a Pogba of my money

MizMyColi:
You guys are greatly missing the point here.
It's what I always talk about whenever Tecno releases a flagship and such is compared to iPhone.

Tecno actually sees IPhone as a role model.
You get? Look at the way Phantom is designed, and look at the body of iPhone, you will Defo see similarities.

So it's like this....

If you are so good at something, the catch is that no one should be able to smell your back cos you are far far ahead of them.

But for someone to come near or be even noticed in the field you are so good at, you can be rest assured it's only a matter of time before the catch up and overtake if you don't up your game.

Take P6 plus for example. Many of us are already wailing at the price. How much more an iphone7.

So the point is this; if I can get a device that is 3 times cheaper than what an iPhone will offer me, if I can get a device that packs so much beauty and class in it like the Phantom 6 PLUS and knowing fully well that as it stands now, I cannot afford an IPhone 7.....what's stopping me from going for it?

Would it actually be a bad idea to go for Second Best, when actually such device ranks first in a class of its own?

Think on this.

Indeed, I think they should be commended and given a kudos. Really, Tecno has put in much effort since they first landed Naija. That they are even trying to compete with Apple is enough to show Nigerians they are trying to make a difference.

Abraham97:
funny una no dey use beta compare scrap

I'm sorry, scrap is Gionee and Itel

DoctorAlien:
Pr0blem,

I have a question for you: those that will be lost, will it be that they couldn't do anything about it?

Jesus say an impotent man by the pool who had lain there for 38 solid years, yet Jesus asked him "do you want to be made whole?" Why do you think Jesus asked him such a question? Don't you know that the could've said "no"?

Think again.

You have obviously mistaken miracles for Salvation sir. Healing a lame man doesn't translate to making him CONFORMED in the Image of the SON, or ACCEPTED in the Beloved sir. You have obviously missed the point of Salvation if you use such as an example.

Now, let me tutor you using same statements Jesus made, "It is about a shepherd who leaves his flock of ninety-nine sheep in order to find the one which is lost." - It's the Parable of the lost coin, however Jesus says "it's about the SHEPHERD". He made the decision for the supposed lost sheep. The sheep didn't become a goat because it was lost.

Likewise, the parable of the lost "Son", and the parable of the lost "coin". There's something particularly similar in these three parables. ESSENCE! The Son was born a son, and always a Son even when lost. The Coin was always a coin even when lost. The sheep was born and always a sheep, even when lost.

The word "believe" or "faith" that is ascribe to man doesn't have power to cause any change. It only means "to be persuaded about a thing", "to be convinced".

You child, when you give birth to one, does not need to "believe" in you to have your DNA sir. That would be the most ridiculous thing ever. But as he grows, and he hears your words, and knows he bears your name, only then would he be "convinced" that he's your son, and he would have POWER (authority to act out as your son) to be your son.

It's honestly that simple.