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BekeeBuAgbara:
Are you blind, did you see i replied someone?

You're just being unnecessarily hostile, you Apple fan. Go and sleep. You're points are insignificant. The spreadsheet the OP made is obvious to them that have sight.

Stupedinluv:
Lol Are you saying people believe before they are born? Is believing not a spiritual fruit or something of such?

Hmmm.

PrOblem, pls which one comes first: Get birthed first and then believe or believe first and be born. Later sounds ridiculous now that i think of it.

LOOOL. Believing is a fruit of being Born jareee, my dear.

You're born into the family of Mr Adamu, no matter how much believing you do, you could never be Dangote's son. You are born into the species of Chickens, no matter how much believing you do, you could never be the son of a Lion.

It is only them that are Born that can Believe.

It is because we first are Born of God, that we have the power to believe that we are God's children. It is because you were first born of your father, that you had the power to believe and call him father.

It's that simple.

AnonyNymous:
So in other words there's no free will
So we shouldn't be blamed for our actions
Is it now fair to punish the burnt plantain to die by hanging because they turned out burnt
Are they the ones that cooked themselves?
Abg go sleep jare

You apparently didn't read my post through, you were just quick to make your comment. No where did I mention "punish" or "blame". Have you ever fried plantain before to blame the burnt plantain on the plantain? Wouldn't you blame yourself for making the plantain burnt? Throughout my talk, the question I was addressing was "Are they the ones that cooked themselves"? We blame Adam, blame the world, blame Judas, blame Hitler, blame the sinners, but my point is, these people didn't create themselves so. So, if at all we should do any blaming, we should blame the one who designed ALL things. But hey! My explanation of plantain frying pretty much shoes, The fryer isn't blaming anything or anybody, he is having fun making his Dodo (conforming all to the image of His Son). Nothing is wrong from the grand view, but everything is wrong from inside the frying pan.

DoctorAlien:
Stupedinluv,

On my university analogy: It actually depicts the relationship between GOD, man and salvation to a great extent. Let the parents represent GOD, the child the sinner, and university education salvation. The parents tell the child that he cannot be successful in life without university education(just as GOD through various means continues to warn sinners that they will be lost if they do not receive salvation).

The child cannot sponsor himself(just as a sinner cannot save himself). Then the father asks the son "Do you want to go to the university? I can fully sponsor you." The father cannot force him to school(just as GOD cannot force salvation on anybody). The child can either say yes or no to his father.

If he says yes(the sinner accepts and believes Jesus Christ), the father begins to see to it that the child gets university education(GOD cleanses and accepts the sinner as his son, and begins to help him in his Christian race).

Just my own way of depicting it.

Salvation is not (y)ours. It's Christ's. We are merely beneficiaries. Study Paul's sayings. There's no such thing as choosing to be saved.

The Potter doesn't ask the Pot whether or not to fix the crack.
The Vine doesn't ask the branch whether or not to give it life.
The Father doesn't ask the Child whether to Birth him or not.

Salvation is the expression of the Potter, Vine and Father... we are merely beneficiaries of God's salvation. You don't ask your dying infant child whether he wants to go to the Hospital or not. Unless, of course, you are not a Father. You don't ask your unconscious wife whether or not she wants blood passed into her, in order to regain consciousness, unless of course you're not a Husband.

All our analogies are very incomplete, because there's in fact no separation between God and man. Whatever God put himself through, man partook in, it's that simple.

Stupedinluv:
Thanks so much. Pls can you quote more bible verses and chapters that support your stance (i have limited time now). I need to be sure of this.

Meanwhile, what do you mean by God is not partial but has chosen the world?

"Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, AND CAUSE YOU to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God. I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you." - Eze 36:25 - 29

"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time" - 1 Tim 2:3-6

"This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance. For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe. These things command and teach" - 1 Tim 4:9-11

"And Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, because he also is a son of Abraham; for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost" - Luke 19:9-10. All (the Whole World) were LOST in Adam, hence, how many did he save? He's not a respecter of persons, he's not partial, he doesn't do favoritism.

"For God has committed them all (the World) to disobedience, that He might have mercy on ALL (the World)." - Rom 11:32

"But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself. He said this to show the kind of death he was going to die" - John 12:32-33

"For the death that He died, He died to sin once and he did it for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God" - Rom 6:10

"Then they said to the woman, “Now we believe, not because of what you said, for we ourselves have heard Him and we know that this is indeed the Christ, the Savior of the world" - John 4:42

"And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son as Savior of the world" - 1 John 4:14

Christ is indeed the Savior of the world. How can He be the Savior of the world and yet, at the same time, not save the whole world? If he didn't save the world, then, he is bad at what he does.

There's more, but let's chill here for now. If you have more questions, feel free to ask.

BekeeBuAgbara:
Its very difficult to go to a Chinese shop and see Tecno, Africa is the target market for the phone. They don't use it, they don't see it.

Your argument is unimportant and insignificant as relating to the quality of the Tecno devices, really!

davidigomanel:
I love this comparison. Becos techno beat the iPhone 7 because of battery and other compatibility. I don't mean to hate the iPhone user but if u have one u will know what I'm talking about.

The Phantom 6 and 6+ beats the iPhone no doubt, the only place I'll say there's a difference however is just in chipset difference and waterproof. But how do those two things and a little other almost inconsequential differences amount to almost 500k. The iPhone is a rip off.

This idea came to me some days ago while I was having a conversation with a friend of mine who asked me if her frying plantain was "predestined" LOOL. In considering that question, something like a balance between those two concepts came up within me.

Now, let's fry some plantain. (enter the realm of Shadows). Hehe!

Let's take God as the cook, the one who "will have" it that all plantain be fried (Salvation), and come to become Dodo (conformed to the image of His Son). He made ONE plantain sliced (male and female These sliced plantain started giving themselves names - Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Atheist, e.t.c) and he called them Adam, he put them batch by batch (generation after generation) in a frying pan filled with hot oil (earth). Now, ALL SLICED PIECES OF PLANTAIN are destined to turn to Dodo through this process; this is the plan of the Cook before the bringing of frying pan and oil (predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son before the foundations of the world).

I hope you're following closely.

This is the will of the Cook; the one who knows the end from the beginning (of course, Plaintain turns to Dodo when fried, so shall all men be conformed to the image of his dear Son). The fryer of all sliced plantain (Savior of all men), for he wouldn't slice that which he wouldn't make a part of the frying (all people are a part of his plan, they go through the salvation process). Now, these sliced pieces of Plaintain do not have a choice in the hot oil (like purifying metal in a furnace, so is man passing through earth).

In this hot oil, these sliced pieces of Plaintain think they have the freewill to either turn brown or not, but they do not know the cook is the one who watches and does the turning to his preferred color (we are kept by the power of God, in Christ, in whom all things consist, live, move and have their Being). Under microscopic inspection, a lot is going on in the frying pan that the fryer has no knowledge about (this is where the illusion of freewill lies). A piece in the oil thinks it is more conformed than the other because it didn't turn out black or burnt, the other feels condemned because it didn't turn out in the fresh brown color of the more righteous Dodo. The illusive idea of freewill and self-righteousness starts to go on in the frying pan even while frying is going on. LOOL.

The grandscheme is the idea of predestination. Eventually, the process of the frying is done, and the goal is achieved. All sliced Plantain (the natural/earthly) turns to Dodo (the second which is spiritual/heavenly), and the cook with Pride ends his frying (then cometh the end... the heaven and the earth shall pass away).

"And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly" — 1 Cor 15:49

If I choose now whether to buy iPhone 7 and drink garri for 6months or buy Phantom 6+ and upgrade my drinking to garri and groundnut for 6months, it's a Hoax. If I turn atheist tomorrow or Muslim, yet another Hoax. The grandscheme continues to be unveiled unto the end. Hahaha!

I'm sorry if I made you hungry for some dodo after this thread. LOOL

orunto27:
You can accept God, that is Faith. You can also acknowledge God and that is Hope. Free is Go, Fly or Stay if you wish. This is Life. Will is do, act, interact and move. This is also Life. So Free Will is living, ie, acting, interacting and moving without Fear or Favour, but in Faith and Hope that God is your Rock and Shield and your Shelter even though you move in the Shadow of Death.

You have spoken well, but do you know the poets at Athens, whom Paul quoted, said "in him we live, move and have our Being". All living is lived in God. Your life is not your own. The only valid faith, there is, is God's faith. The only valid acceptance is God accepting you in his beloved (nothing you did made this happen). It is God who keeps and has kept you in Him.

AgentOfAllah:
You're most certainly correct! As such, the most natural response to anyone who denies the existence of French will be to:

1) Define French
2) Falsifiably demonstrate the existence of French.

Once these two conditions are satisfied, the denier loses all intellectual support for their denial. On the other hand, asserting a claim about French when you are, yourself, ignorant of its existence makes you intellectually dishonest.

You have said it ALL sir. May Allah bless His wisdom in You!

Stupedinluv:
Whats wrong with studying with my own version, king James? You know its more reliable?

vs12" But as many as received him to them he gave the power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name.

vs13 " Which were^^^ (those in verse 12, who received him) were born, not of blood (not talking of natural birth) nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, BUT OF GOD"

Born of God! Thats what i am getting from reading this. Honestly, i think people get born again by the power and will of God not theirs.

Prior to this remember i believed in free will?

My dear, they cannot understand what you're saying. I understand you... and what you're saying is very well pointed out in many scriptures. Check the following out.

But you--and it is all God's doing--are in Christ Jesus: He has become for us a wisdom which is from God, consisting of righteousness and sanctification and deliverance - 1 Cor 1:30

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who in His great mercy has begotten us anew to an ever-living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, - 1 Peter 1:3

Being purposed (intended; willed), from pregnancy He brought us forth by a Word (collected thought; message) of Truth and Reality – [placed] into us – to be (or: to continuously exist being) a specific firstfruit of His created beings (or: of the effects of His act of creating; or: from the results of the creation which is Himself)- James 1:18

See... let no man fool you with the idea that is FREEWILL. It's mere a HOAX! The only person that ever had a Choice was GOD, and he has CHOSEN "You have not Chosen me, It is I who CHOSE You". And God is no respecter of persons, he isn't partial, hence, He chose the WORLD (1 Cor 5:14-21).

Let no Man fool you.


Therefore, as it is written: "Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord." - 1 Cor 1:31

Gboyee4fun:
oh, I guess you believed in scripture? you said I'm arrogant and I laugh because you are not God that seeth heart of man and that can clearly says the different between boldness and pride.....And praying is what Jesus left for those that believed in him, so I don't think I have to give you a reason before you know you ought to pray without ceasing since you are not been troubled with sickness

Hahahaaa! It is quite unfortunate you have wrongly misrepresented the BOLD character, my friend. There's nothing bold about separating what God has joined together. It's only in Pride you find separation, go figure!

About prayer, you still need to study your scriptures some more. Really! I have nothing else to say to you.

Adios!

Armani Hotel Dubai... OMO! Tecno ghenghen

Kingy10:
Are you sure you can tether that APN from ur phone using bb sub on Android?

Yes o! Honestly, I do. I tweaked my IMEI though, so the BB plan works on my Android fine. Hence, tethering it is just as simple as doing the normal Android plan.

If this problem you speak of persist, I think the problem may be from your laptop or phone. I guess you should Google why your zip files end up corrupt upon completion.

HCpaul:
I always tell the Christians that even if God exist, we will both have to dialogue together, advice each other and I will eventually help him out by helping him to administrate the universe for just 7 days with my intellect only and not necessarily with the use of power.

The God of any religion did not meet the standard of a Creator or an intelligent designer.

Honestly, this has been about one of the most intelligent talk I've seen in the religious section of this Nairaland so far. The God of the majority (mostly religious folks) shouldn't be called a creator, for they have presented him one to have lost his mind.

Some people be reading the bible from the back. LOL. smh!

The idea of freewill has always been from the pages of Adam, in order not to pass the blame on to God for man's supposed fall. But we are trying to help God in the case of Freewill. Whoever said he's not capable of taking responsibility? He created stuff that didn't work right and we blame the creation, really? Since the history of a creator and a creation, when did faulty design start to be the responsibility of the creation?

Blame the pot for the crack, leave the potter out.
Blame the tree for bad fruit, leave the seed out.
Blame the tower for poor strength, leave the builder out.

It's unjust.

The idea of freewill is a hoax. Take it or leave it, it's all illusive. God on the other hand is not trying to be helped, neither has he lost control over his creation. All things work according to his planned purpose. All for his glory. We don't need to pick and choose for him. He's God and in His absolute sense(s). We need to stop being responsible for Him with the idea that is FREEWILL.

Gboyee4fun:
whatever your view is..just pray

Pray for what and why exactly? You're just saying pray pray pray. What is your reason for asking me to pray?

Tecno outdid this one mehn. Ahan! The gehngehn is too much

Kingy10:
Which app do u use to download & do u download zip?, Which APN settings do u use?

my APN: internet.ng.zain.com
every other thing is default

username and password: internet

I use IDM on my laptop and UC Browser on my Phone. Actually, I use about anything to download and they all work. I download zip files as well.

This is no longer news, I'm sure most phone brands have learnt from Tecno's stunt.

Gboyee4fun:
lol, see a Christian arrogant to pray, I don't know shit before....thanks!!! ur name has speak it all.

I came up with this name because of Nairalanders just like you who come up with ridiculous Customary Christian theories. I'm most prepared for y'all. You come subtle at me, I'll honor you same. If otherwise, I have just about the same werey for anybody.

Davidblen:
The Bible Says In Ephesians 1:7 That
" In Whom We Have Redemption Through His Blood, The Forgiveness Of Sins, According To Riches Of His Grace"
But Today Many Churches Have Adopted The Style Of Baptism For Salvation.It Is Either By Baptism By Water Or Baptism By Mansion (purification) But Christ Died For Our Sins On The Cross Of Calvary For Our Santification. To Me The Baptism Is Not Neccesary
Anybody Should Comment His/her Opinion

See, my guy... you'll definitely get loads of horse crap from the opinions of Christian Nairalanders.

Baptism pictures how we were co-buried together with Christ in his death; then it powerfully illustrates how in God’s mind we were co-raised with Christ into a new lifestyle.

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. - Rom 6:4

Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him - Rom 6:8

One Lord, one faith, ONE BAPTISM - Eph 4:5

All of Mankind has been baptized in Christ Jesus. Tell the Others to go figure, whatever they are on about is called karamo.

Marvell23:
it looks like Tecno W4 at the top where you have the earphone Jack but looking the gionee at the front it's an insult to compare with the beautiful W4 or the Boom j8. The front is the ugliest I have seen.

hahaa! Bros, you don vex

elvision1:
abi, no run. Lemme go check it out.

Hahaha! You didn't hear about the launch of the Phantom 6 today? at Dubai.

Teknomatiks:
See the specs of Tecno Boom J8: Tecno Boom J8 specs & price in Nigeria

Hahaha! I know the Boom J8 specs though. I've experienced one before.

magnificientzaz:
LOL. Guess it's just you

Naah! It looks like a copy of the Boom J8 to me, maybe a closer handling would confirm otherwise.

Kingy10:
I have two different airtel Sim card, one for midnight sub, the other for 1k for 3gb sub, it happens in both sim, I use a laptop(IDM) & Android device(UC browser)

LOOOL. We run the same package, two airtel sim cards. But unfortunately, I don't have this problem you're talking about. I hope you get it sorted out soon enough sha. Pele.

benzics:
yes o, thanks

correct jaree... your head is there.

Gboyee4fun:
lol, bro spend your time in praying instead of arguing with me on what you think you know...

who is Jesus Christ?
why did he has to died on the cross on this earth?
what's is second coming all about?
who created man?
where did He that created man formed Him?
what's the purpose of this earth?
then who is the devil?
who are the falling angels?

if you can answer all those questions with what you think you know, I can seriously chat with you.

You are drunk with pride and knowledge, you think you know but you don't. You think answers to your questions are consequential? Then, you're yet to know stuff. I added a little bit of kindness to my previous replies at you, but you decided to throw subtle to the wind. You're no different from those proud religious whited sepulchers who think they are a paragon for knowledge. Let me break it to you in simple English - DUDE, YOU DON'T KNOW SH8T!.

You're not worth my time. Go argue with your Bible.

Wazzaowner:
Tecno Na phone name??

TECNO don upgrade o. Something that they did the launch of the Phantom 6 at Dubai today.

This is a rip off

Kingy10:
The one that happened yesterday, I used airtel bb plan on Android to download just 25mb zip. I still encounter the problem

Have you tried it with other airtel sims? The fault may be from your phone or app though.