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Kobojunkie:
Exactly as God deemed it so since the beginning- Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22

Now I understand what you're trying to get out is that babies don't go to hell (as in a forever burning place) but rather cease to exist.

What would you say about Bible verses that talk about sinners going to a forever burning place?

Kobojunkie:
1. I wasn't attempting to solve a problem but clear up a scriptural fact.

2. According to Jesus Christ, you have to be born-again in order to gain access to the Kingdom of God where Heaven and Hell await you depending on the gate you enter through- Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14 and Luke 14 vs 25 - 33. Only those who have eternal life(born from spirit) can occupy the Kingdom of God..

Those who do not accept Jesus Christ, continue without eternal life, condemned to perish in the grave - John 3 vs 16 - 18 - just as they were from the beginning - Genesis 3 vs 16 - 22

Then you agree babies are born condemned to perish in the grave.

Ladyhippolyta88:
I am not an atheist,I will rather identify as an agnostic but I am definitely not religious I gave up on religion 4 years ago and never going back.(I am fancying Buddhism as a philosophy sha)

I won't identify as an atheist I still have a belief in God I believe that God doesn't have a religion but then I agree that atheism and freethought is growing here.

A lot of persons are using their head to question things and that is good, the astrological part of me would say that this is the age of Aquarius in action

This makes you a deist, not an agnostic. Agnostics are rather a set of confused people who claim to believe in God and not believe in God.

Kobojunkie:
The Bible does not state that we are all born sinners. That suggestion is made in Paul's letter which was written primarily to an audience of Jewish believers.

All gentiles are born dead to the law which defines sin so we cannot be said to have sinned. Instead we are born condemned to die, cursed by the God's judgment in Genesis 3 vs 16 - 22, the condemnation of Sin which is death.

It is only when we then accept Jesus Christ that we are then redeemed from the curse and reborn into eternal life under law - John 3 vs 16 - 18 - the New Covenant Law in the Kingdom of God.

I don't think you have solved anything here. You mentioned gentiles are born condemned to die and it is only when you accept Jesus Christ that you are redeemed and given eternal life. How is this different from saying everyone is born condemned to hell and would only get eternal life if they accept Jesus?

jesusjnr2020:
Thanks for the correction. I really appreciate it.

As for the Bible, I have a different belief, which is that as a follower of Christ, any saying that contradicts His in the Bible is meant to be disregarded.

Thanks and God bless.

You guys just keep on ridiculing yourselves. How can you a Christian openly say you disregard some verses in the Bible because they contradict the words of Jesus? You have, on one hand, admitted there are contradictions in the Bible. And on the other hand made a joke of yourself by implying you still believe the Bible anyway even if there are instructions/doctrines in it that are not true (or to be disregarded).

You want to cherry pick verses in the Bible that suit your own belief (because you're a pastor). Can you now see that you have exposed yourself as a scam or as someone who doesn't know what he is doing?

Stephenmoka4:
God made nature and let nature be, positive, negative or plausible to anything it could take effect on. Sunshine, snow, storm, gravity, friction, humidity, flow of water, two oceans seams separately.

When you start replying with craps I end a particular debate with you, as with this one.

2. I am the one that got healed not you, and it's prayer. Take or leave, this is not the first time a disease had happened so, there had been other things that had occurred. What will be will be unless altered.

That is the problem you get when you try to make personal feelings standard measures of facts. Let's say your point here can be tested (like curing a covid-19 patient with prayer) no one would argue with you.

3. You agreed on that one, not we. You think God approved the current pandemic, somethings were caused by ourselves. When you see someone throw stones at lions, the person shouldn't wait for God's approval for the lions to strike back.

If you also go in circles I will end a debate with you. Now you are back to causes. I have told you to leave causes aside and focus on the ability of God to cure the illness. Again, if God can cure an illness but chooses not to then he approves of the illness.

4. David prayed for his child he got outta adultery but, what will stand will stand. Jesus payed concerning his cup of suffering too

You still haven't made the sense out of praying against something that can not be changed. I will also end an argument with you if you clearly do not apply simple logic in your replies.

5. If you don't crash a car, I don't think it will crash itself.

Some things are responsible for the crashing of the car, mistakes principally. Or say imperfection. In a world where imperfection does not exist a car can never crash. For imperfection to exist with the world God must have created it because nothing that is in existence will not be existing if God doesn't cause it to exist, according to you.

Stephenmoka4:
Simple there is no known physical cure, oh John you have the virus take this, you too Jaimy take this.

I don't know about you, but I see that scientists are smarter than God as they can provide cure to some illnesses when God can't.

karo93:
In addition, God approves healing but it is obviously not as straightforward as the church as made it seem over the years. If it was that straightforward then the church will have been carrying out mass healings and finally bringing real life proof to the age long message.

The church, or at least the original post, draws the method of religious healing from the holy book. If anything is wrong you are saying the holy book is wrong.

karo93:
1. The earth has been given to man. Man is the all powerful on earth not God. If man can successfully pray the will of God be done on earth, it will be.... if not then the natural events will run their usual course.

2. The bible continually shows us that God needs men to properly channel his power to earth....if they cant channel it then nothing changes.

Gehazi once tried to raise a dead child on orders and instructions from Elisha and he failed. But Elisha raised the boy. God's power is constant but if you cant bring it down then natural events will continue unabated.

Consequently, since no believer can successfully cure a pandemic through prayer all who claim to be believers are fake. No one knows how to do it right including your spiritual leaders. I wonder what thought that leaves you.

3. God has 2 modes of intervention on the earth
A. Total intervention such as when Hezekiah put musicians in from of the army and angels came to kill the enemy
B. Partial intervention which describes a super majority of all the wars israel fought.

Yeah the bible says God gave them victory against mightier foes but it doesn't change the fact that it was them physically doing the fighting.

How God intervenes is dependent on him so where exactly do we even draw the line?

The life of the israelites show that most times God prefers to allow natural events to run their course with only partial intervention.

But ofcourse that is not what has been taught in the church over the years but i think corona is making certain things obvious

If the proper way the Bible puts it as laying hands on the sick and them recovering or recovery through prayer is not implemented in stopping a pandemic, you can't give God the credit. There is a difference between going through intense research for a long period of time in the scientific way to find a vaccine or a cure and simply asking God for what chemistry to perform to get a cure. The former has no intervention from God in any way. It is purely science.

Stephenmoka4:
1. I mentioned nature had to take it's way, God made nature.

So God can't always be of help as clearly he does not have power over nature.

Like I said I have been healed before from Faith/prayers and many others, I've heard and also seen, so do others. I don't want to start sharing contact of different people who are witnessed to this kind of thing in their own place... so it's not a personal something

If the same prayer you claim healed you but could not heal other people, who are now dead, then it wasn't prayer that healed you but medical intervention or your body immunity in cases where there was no medical intervention.

2. Simply some things are meant to be, God approved mine (according to the way you termed it).

Good. We finally agree on this. God does not always approve healing. Now the implication is #3 which would be why. And according to you, you say some things are meant to be which implies that God approves the current pandemic because clearly he will not do anything to stop it. Just as someone who can save another person from drowning simply watch the person struggle and die can be considered evil, how do you justify that God is not evil in this case?

4. So themselves and usually other people won't be affected too, we should all know that diseases and illness are real and should be avoided/prevented. Not just prayers but, physical attribute to it too.

I don't see the sense. If something is meant to be why pray against it?

5. We don't always have to blame the car company for road accident, there is manual, there is driving school and instructions. Should I explain this one too...

No, if the car company is also responsible for the cause of the accident we can blame the car company. According to you, nothing ever exists, including accidents, that is not caused by God. If I have such super powers I can create a perfect world where no accident exists. For accidents to exist implies an imperfect world, one that can not come to being if God didn't create it.

Stephenmoka4:
You can pick out something from there if you get, currently there is no definite physical cure for it as man's body will have to also fight against it with the assistance of drugs/injections or whatsoever. Coronavirus is a disease and like the woman with the issue of blood, she might have given up on specialist then and with faith she was heal, even the man with dread skin disease. Even after coronavirus there are still more diseases to come that's a concept of nature (negative to man), why didn't God stop eruptions, storms, blizzard etc they are meant to happened even Jesus witnessed some of them.

Does your failure to address the cure and not the cause, again, conclude that God can't always help his believers in times of distress and trouble?

Stephenmoka4:
1. You will lay hand on the sick... Didn't you read that faith without work is in vain. Also with faith things can be done but, faith is not something that you can just say I have it or I am in possession of it or as long as you are a Christian you have faith.

You imply that the reason there has not been a cure from prayer is because no one has applied faith and works together to ensure a cure as the holy books say. This would mean the same things I have stated - either there is no true believer or the holy books lie.

I have witnessed healness from laying hands (I was illed) so nobody can tell me nothing. The holy book didn't lied to me.

You can't use personal feelings for general standard sir.

2. God had given us wisdom to solve many things however, if it's not possible a contrite heart, faith and with humility bring it to God. Had worked for me, God made nature and the attribute of nature to his work, so nature can also take place too.

If this reply is to "God does not approve the healing", I do not see the correlation. And the reply on its own is vague.

3. I don't get the line here

It follows from #2. Simply put, if the holy books say we can pray to God to cure illnesses and the holy books do not lie, then when we pray to God for a cure and nothing happens we can say that either the holy books lie or God has a personal issue with our request and does not approve the healing.

4. There is difference between believer and a fallen brethen. All believers are not fake. Like I mentioned, nature must take place it; had been made. Under normal circumstances man should grow, water should flow, storm and earthquake should occur etc

You imply that this must happen because it is what it is. Why do believers still pray for a cure then?

5. If there is no God there can't be existence, only existence bring existence.

Leaving other flaws this statement poses aside, the implication follows that everything in existence comes because of God. This includes sin, death, temptations, evil, destiny, poverty, disasters, pandemics and every bad thing. How can you explain that God is justifiable for being the cause of every evil thing happening in the world? Please don't forget you said, "if there is no God, there can't be existence".

Stephenmoka4:
Coronavirus do affect the physical part of man as it's
consider somewhat a natural attribute (diseases). Children
or no children of God, there are other natural things that
have been happening and can tamper with the physical e.g,
flood, earthquake, volcanic eruption. You don't expect a man
to throw a stick to a pride of lions and wave to them
expecting the lions to applaud him. Faith without work is in
vain. There are cases where Jesus nearly got attacked but,
he left for safety. The physical nature of man needs to be
taken care of, coronavirus can't affect you spiritually. Man is
blessed with certain amount of wisdom and knowledge to
work on his nature. In conclusion diseases can affect any
mortal man where Christian, Muslim or others. Diseases of
various kind existed long ago.

The original post takes a jump over everything associated with the cause of coronavirus. The original post focuses on the cure after the infection has occurred which your reply here does not address.

N.B. Read this with a honest mind. If you won't, do not read. If you do and feel offended in the end, I owe no responsibility.

The world sets into torpor as SARS-CoV 2 waxes in strength. The novel virus has claimed over 150,000 lives globally and threatens to take more. Over 2,000,000 people around the world have been infected with less than 50% of them recovered. While many realisations have emerged through the pandemic period to open most eyes to realities passing by their face in different aspects of life (health care, politics, empathy) one this post aims to call to notice is the credibility of religion and assessing its claims.

First off, religion accounts for the beliefs in things or concepts that are higher in realm to the natural world which consciously interact or relate with the natural world and which require faith for acceptance or acknowledgment as direct or concrete evidence that affirm their reality do not exist or are difficult to attain. From this births the various religions in the world which may be monotheistic (one god) or polytheistic (more than one god) in theology - Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, Paganism, etc.

These religions have in general the belief that believers can talk to these super powers (by prayers) to ask for wishes, even the ones impossible by natural efforts to achieve, that can be granted or made come to pass miraculously. More than half of the population of the world have one religion or the other (yes, there are some who do not give credence to religion) and most have declared prayers to their God or gods to cure the current pandemic sickening the world, even preventing them from going to their various places of worship. But as with past pandemics and epidemics, the Spanish Flu, the West African Ebola, the Asian Flu, The Zika Virus and others, religion has never been a way out even with the prayers which is supposed to be the panacea to all problems. Times like this, believers put all hopes on science, and their miraculous capabilities seem to be held hidden. Why?

As a normal rational human being who thinks right with a good functioning brain some reasonable deductions can be made from this. The obvious ones are highlighted first, then the seemingly subtle ones.

The Holy Books Lie
Holy books of various religions promise their believers miraculous cure to diseases. In the Bible for example it says the "signs of those that believe" are some super lists including "they shall lay their hands on the sick, and they shall recover", Mk 16:17. In the Islamic book there is a chapter of al-Fatiha which is known for healing, "Al-Fatiha is cure for all diseases." (Darimi, Fadlul-Quran 12) So only two things are possible. It is either these books lie and are not sacred as the spiritual leaders have portrayed them or...

God does not approve the healing
If God is the ultimate mechanism that makes the healing actually works then he won't do what he doesn't want to do even if you asks for it. Then the question is why would God not approve the healing of a sickness, especially one that has affected the world economy, infected babies or turned them motherless, caused trauma in those whose loved ones have passed away with it...?

God is evil or not powerful
And here we will consider again what the holy books say. Some of the aforementioned deductions are based on 'if the holy book is true'. Coming to this point, the holy books and the believers all say God is good and all powerful so it is either this or the holy books lie and if the holy books lie nothing of them is true and no rational being should confide in them.

God is true but all believers are fake
What if God is real and the holy books are true but all believers are doing it wrongly? This would mean no one is right and the reverence you give your spiritual leaders is misplaced. But still, what father would see his child dying but refuses to help just because he is not asking for help the way he wants him to? Deductions so far has proved that God can't exist while the pandemic prevails. What would be the more rational deduction?

There is no God
If there has never been a pandemic cure through the religion way despite attempts/prayers from believers to have one isn't it more rational to conclude religion is false, or more politely, superstitious? And if the knowledge of God comes from religion does it not also imply that God does not exist and the world is what it is - surviving on its own?

If you disagree what would be your more rational deduction?

I just had a smooth deal with this guy. He is legit.

HappyPagan:
If only this knowledge could power a bulb, the vacuum in your head would be a bit brighter.

Mehnn

malvisguy212:
so you never change ? long time bro.

Yay

He was supposed to die in the flesh and wake up in the spirit. Isn't that what baptism is about? Why the fuzz?

Abcruz:
Do you believe the report of man and forsake that of God?


As for me and my family!
#OurGodIsAwesome

If man says adding two things with another two things together will give you four things and God differs to say five, will you choose the outcome to be five?

Hello everyone.
This is for incoming students who are yet do do the Post UTME registration, YINO does post UTME registration for just 3500NGN total pay for online payment, registration and printing.
Contact Yino on 08128200178(whatsapp) or 08100269515

Itzpretzy:
Pharmacy has gotten her accreditation back.
I'm a 500l pharmacy student.

Thanks.

CC - LukeSkywalker78

LukeSkywalker78:
Please I scored 253 in jamb and I'm awaiting my waeC resulT(first time). Please can I enter for pHarmacy or medicine??

Currently Pharmacy is not accredited in UI. It may get accreditation in your time but it's not certain. So if you're gonna apply for Pharmacy prepare your mind for a change of course/institution just in case Pharmacy doesn't get accreditation still.

Medicine is accredited. You can apply for it. With your JAMB score you have 31.63 so far, which means you have to do better in your post UTME (target 80+)

As long as your WAEC result wil be ready before the deadline UI will give, awaiting result is not a problem.

Elijahrona:
uniport pays above 100k for freshers and 45k for returning students.

Freshers in the department of Animal and Environmental Biology paid 118,500 this year so it's nothing new

The point is a federal school shouldn't ask that much for payment. Considering the financial state of most Nigerians it is cruel to set fees at amounts six to eight times higher than what the government set as average income for the citizens.

UI case is even more worse, especially in the college of medicine. There is N75,000 increase in some departments and N100,000 increase in other departments. N16,000 increase in accommodation (we now pay N30,000 for accommodation) in some halls and N26,000 increase in another hall (they now pay N40,000 for accommodation) all of these in a sudden!

Tell me how someone in the college of medicine who hasn't been paying fees anywhere near these new amounts won't drop out of the college, and I have friends in this position. Their reason for this is the lack of funds from the government to keep the school running. So this is a form of outreach to anyone in this position to come to our aid, because really, most of us can't survive this and it is disheartening.

And I'm quite sure that nothing will really change if we even get to pay these new fees. Hostel life is terrible. In Nnamdi Azikwe Hall, you hardly find water to use. You have to walk to other halls to get water, and this happens in other halls too. Our rooms are heavily infested with bed bugs and has made sleeping miserable. Our windows are without nets and most are without louvers, too, and malarial has become a common illness. Electricity is not all that constant and we are being asked to pay more for this kind of service, a federal school.

There is no account presented to show how these new fees are necessary to be introduced at this time. And in fact, accounts made show that these new fees, accommodation-wise, to my knowledge, are just not necessary.

So if Iasticlala and Seun will be nice to help the awareness of this thread I'll appreciate. We are resuming soon and most of us have no hope to get along with this unnecessary change.

superhumanist:
Butterflyleo's tactics


1. spin lies against opponents

2. troll and insult when corrected

3. change the topic and spin more lies

4. start again at step one.

You got his lame tactic, bro.

Butterflyleo:
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Atheism stems from questioning RELIGION and it's effects and not questioning atheism

If you cannot see how confused your write up is and how you keep swinging back and forth from atheism to religion while confusing your own post, then your case is beyond redemption.

Here is another dunce! You'd have received a fair reply from me if you simply asked where you got lost. But you can't understand. You don't have that ability to. All of you are damned in reasoning. You all are misshapen beings that should have run into extinction! You're a shame to the unique intelligence evolution has produced! You don't worth being called humans! It's an insult to us atheists! All you motherfvckers!

winner01:
Yeah right, more than 90% of the worlds population are dunces. You are the only rational beings

Proudly! And we can help you become one if you are willing.

Atheists don't question any other thing apart from religion and most certainly, they don't question atheism.
This is why you spend your life on a religion section accusing religious people of opining their beliefs to you. This is what we observe and keep observing.

Question marriage, question atheism!

How else will I make you see that you can't criticize atheists for questioning religion only since that's the only opposition to their stance?? Stop thinking with your skull! Think with your brain if it's not dead yet!

Your ability to reason is surprisingly low. This problem is simple. How can't you see that getting to atheism would have made you question atheism at first? How can't you see that the process of disproving religion is a reality of you roaming about in atheism, and hence questioning atheism?? Would you just jump to atheism if you started having doubts about your common-sense-damned religion? Has common sense failed you to see that you must have reached a level of satisfaction before you finally accept an idea, and hence stop questioning? Do you intellectually handicapped beings question your religion? Think dummy! Save yourself from this flame of ignorance and doltishness that is consuming you!

Winner01, your argument is like saying a car mechanic should deal with bad roads, getting drunk and high while driving, receiving calls while driving, tailgating, night driving, rain, fog, one-way driving, reckless driving, potholes etc since they also cause road accidents and not just faults in cars only. We know those are not the concerns of a car mechanic. His imperative responsibility is to make sure the car is fine and fit on the road. That is why he is a car mechanic, and not a 'cause-of-road-accident mechanic'.

Atheism by definition is the rejection of beliefs in gods and the supernatural. Defending and affirming our stance, i.e arguing all religious beliefs, is what defines us. Our definition doesn't say we take care of all the problems of humanity. And atheists, like other normal people, deal with other human problems like the ones you have mentioned. We just go one step further by questioning religious beliefs. And that's what makes us different from normal people.

It is our 'responsibility' or 'defining deed' to question religious beliefs. That's what we are for. And you can't blame us or give us credit for not arguing or arguing politics, and other areas of life, with respect to who an atheist is. That part is expected of everyone and even atheists do them.

Your post is spurred from shallow reasoning and a misunderstanding of who an atheist is. There are many false statements in it. Your post won't worth Austin's recommendation as Seun suggested, except if, of course, the guy is under the influence of shallow reasoning too. And I won't be surprised as per being a theist.

Dopeyomi:
Cool..


But we wunt see it here in Nigeria..

Yeah, unfortunately. But there will be a live stream.

NASA will offer a live view of the moon starting at 5:30 a.m. EST (1030 GMT), which you can watch on Space.com, courtesy of NASA TV. You can also follow along with the webcast on @NASAMoon, NASA's lunar Twitter account.

Or ask it this way; why did God create the pride in Satan?

"Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made." John 1:3

If he wanted peace why didn't he create Satan to be perfect like him?

"Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God." 1 John 3:9

It is either God was stupid or wanted war and the birth of evil. If I were him I'd have done the two sensible things he didn't do, which would have been a better nonviolent nondestructive decision.

Jan. 31 will be a trifecta of lunar awesomeness. For the first time in 150 years, there will be a super blue blood moon. This means:

The moon will be a "supermoon," which is when the Earth is closer than usual to its satellite. The moon will be 223,068 miles (358,994 km) from Earth, instead of the average distance of 238,855 miles (384,400 km), making the moon 14 percent brighter than usual, according to NASA.

It's the second full moon of the month, which is known as a "blue moon." This doesn't make it look any different, it's just a quirk of the calendar.

The moon will also be moving through the Earth's shadow, which will create a total lunar eclipse in some areas. This will give it a reddish tint, which is called a "blood moon."

Here's how to get a good look at this once-in-a-lifetime phenomenon.



Where it will appear

Unfortunately, not everyone will get a live, front-row seat to the super blue blood moon.

"For the (continental) US, the viewing will be best in the west," said Gordon Johnston, program executive and lunar blogger at NASA Headquarters in Washington.

Here's how things break down:


• The best viewing time for the east coast is 6:45 a.m. ET. You'll need to be in a high location to see the moon, because it will be so low in the west-northwest sky.
Those in the middle of the US with a Central time zone will be able to see the start of the eclipse at 4:51 a.m. CT. From 6:15 to 6:30 a.m. CT will be the best viewing time.

• People living in the Rocky Mountain region will get the best view around 6:30 a.m. MT.
The west coast will get the best view from between about 5 and 6 a.m. PT.

• Asia, the Middle East, Australia, eastern Russia and New Zealand can see the eclipse during the morning moonrise on Jan. 31, according to NASA. Sorry, UK.

How to see it online

If your local weather is calling for clouds that morning, you can still see the super blue blood moon. NASA TV's live feed will probably be your best chance to see it live if there's bad viewing weather in your location. The Griffith Observatory in Los Angeles is also doing a live feed at the lunar eclipse.



Source: CNET


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrydklNpcFI