₦airaland Forum

Owodiran1:
uncle don't misquote anything here. What i am saying is the previous guy who quoted me shouldn't base his fact or generalize because alot of Muslims around him are not peaceful. Nobody is justifying or talking about justification of terrorism here

And you did not get my point to yours? Like HIV, is there sign on which Muslim is or will remain non barbaric? Prevention...prevention...prevention.

BalogunIdowu:
We need to attack matters with sentiments, bigotry or personal hatred. Allowing the use of hijab as part of the school uniform even sewn by the school to avoid disparities changes nothing. It is a freedom exhibited by law and part of the deen.


Now some people will come saying, should other faith be allowed to use theirs to school too.

The simple answer is do they wear it to office, meetings, work, outing, and others. But the hijab is goes everywhere with a Muslim woman not just to mosque which common sense should tell us of its significance in the faith.

Some people will still bring excuses anyways, this is not for you to accept but to expand the dimension of our reasoning!

There is a reason its called uniform. Key word.... "UNIFORM"

Owodiran1:
ogah is it Islam that is wrecking the havoc or the misguided unpeaceful people. Ok the guy that shot alot of people dead from an hotel top floor in usa of recent. Was he a Muslim. So what are you saying. I am a Muslim. Why am i not found wrecking havoc. Please don't narrow down people's unpeaceful personality to religion. Besides I don't think you can be convinced. It's a free world. Feel free to say whatever you wanna say. God bless us all

You believe that guy wrecked havoc but is against someone saying islams ISIS BH, FH do to. Because that guy wrecked havoc does not nullify the fact that Islamists do even more as not just x group but in different groups.

ikennaf1:
We Yoruba Muslims and Yoruba Christians are one. Don't let Ipob try to divide us with lies... hehehe

Seemingly for now but for how long cause we know how Islamist roll Abi roll heads in due time.

pacifust058:
Who's this idiot please?
If you're so pained by the fact that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, why didn't you go to Mars?
Reasonable people are dropping hate less comments and you're changing it to another thing..
Joblessness is a bad thing o

CEO Nigerian Jobs Authority but on NL by this hour, deal with this and stop bleating diversions and projecting your useless condition on me :

"Islam and it effects. Dialogue with the school authority should be the first option rather than this rancour"

rkennyking:
come on that is a lie nobody wants your kids to wear hijab. Rather you are the one wanting their kid to do away with hijab against their tenets. If you get my point honestly yes there is religious war around but don't you think the kind of apprehension you just created now could cause one. If a Muslim knows that you will rather want his kid to not wear hijab so you could have your way then he would go any length to make sure he does have his way too. I say simply live and let live that way we all can be happy together. I have had an Hausa guide as my security and all I have to do is let him observe his religion and I observe mine so long as he his doing his work rightly.

Enjoy your fake paradise until someone draws Mohamed in Greece and his fellows are enough and need an infidels blood to appease themselves and bloody Mohammad.

resurgent4oodua:
I must admit you are right even if it's painful.

I don't have kids yet but I will have to work harder to save them from what is to come.

I am really sad, scared and perplexed about the problem and danger islam poses to the SW.

Thank you sir for being real. No matter how the world wants to downplay it or wish it away the truth remains that Islam is like HIV to the society. They come deceptively in the name of peace, remain salient and multiply. No matter how long it takes, once they have enough people especially in power then unleash mayhem politically and violently on the rest. This has been their modus operandi the world over. Will the case of SW (even Nigeria in entirety overtime) be different? Any smart person should doubt. But then we love to be politically correct at the expense of truth. So what can I say, may piss...no.....sh*t.....sorry....peace of Islam be upon those who refuse to believe.

tamethem:
Answer to your reasonable question is.

End Drawing nearer

Like you rightly said the school has been running smoothly for decades and has not witness such drama churning out both christian and Muslim leaders. So why Now?

End drawing near !

Islam is one major weapon the anti Christ will use to propagate his intentions. Don't you wonder why every chaos or let say 80% of problems of the world is engineered by Muslims?

Mention that country in the world that has not had its share in Islamic troubles. They must have one thing or the other to protest about.

Where ever there is peace in the world today, its either there is no Muslim there or very small number of Muslims are there and one day, when they grow in number there is gonna be problem.

It is not as if I hate Muslims, No! I have quite a number of them as friends, but this should not make one shy away from the truth and bearing his mind.

Like I always say, if I was born a Muslim , I would have changed as a teenager, because I am not blind or deaf to see and hear the atrocities of Muslims all over the world. They are quick to say Islam is a religion of peace but Contrary is the case. They rejoice seeing problem and chaos, They don't care if anyone is in agony as long as they are satisfied they are pleasing allah.

The schools have dress codes that have been maintained for decades. Both Muslims and Christians have been abiding with the dress code. I am sure if a Rosary is found hanging on the neck of any Catholic child , it would be seized by the school authority because it is not part of the dress code. And if that is done the Catholic Parents or priest wont come protesting.

Why is it always about muslims.

There are Islamic primary and secondary schools scattered all over the state why not take your kids there. They are allowed to use hyjab and even go to pray every of your prayer hours. By that there won't be problem.

Islam forming Religion of peace is funny. Because Contrary is the case.

Don't destroy the peace of ISI with your Religion of Peace mentality. Take your kids to a Muslim Schools.

They can even wear Jalamias, Sabaca, and hyjab there.

And when they grow older and become doctors, nurses, Soldiers, police men and women. They too start fighting the government to include Jalamia and hyjab into the dress codes of these proffesions.

All because where ever Islam is, there must be Chaos.

Let there be peace.

You are wise.

buJu234:
With the way these SW Moslems are going, in future, SW may be a religious war zone between Moslems and other religious group

Some of the Christians there are still naïve to what is coming. They will even call one a fear-monger for highlighting this reality.

jojotemitopaz:
I have read lots of comments here and if we would be objective...the people pointing fingers at Muslims for being too religious are actually the ones being non tolerant...to start with, you want to force other individuals to see things your way based on in qoute 'law' when u are fully aware that it is purely against their values...no one is forcing everyother person to put one on but you are forcing the to put it off meaning forcing them to change their values...how would you feel if you are being mandated to stop going to church? Not like every one does but if you were forced to stop it wouldn't you feel oppressed?

They wear the hijab for their own values not yours...wearing it in reality don't affect you except that others are less tolerant and less judgemental ...in a sane environment people fight to defend the values of others. If I had a budidst friend and I am a chirstain if I know its against his values to eat cows as a friend its not for me to force him to eat cows but help him eat something else aside cows...this is how to build a respectable society....tolerance is what is missing here and clearly most of everyone here would rather force others to be who they dont want to be rather than tolerate who they truly are and let peace reign .... This is what happens in marriages too...everyone wants to prove their values are supreme and thus impose it on others . pls let's be more tolerant with ourselves. Thank you

Stopping Hijab wearing in school is not analogous to stopping people from going to church. That is analogues only to stopping people from going to church. But how are you supposed to know ......you are a Muslim !

Islam and crises be like petrol and fire. One week one Islam problem.

sanandreas:
Religion and it effects. Dialogue with the school authority should be the first option rather than this rancour.

Islam and it effects. Dialogue with the school authority should be the first option rather than this rancour

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abbey621:
It is that way in the educational sector all over the world but when you look at other fields it drastically differs. You don't need to have M.Sc before you can become a manager, you don't need an M.SC before you can become a CEO or CFO. In fact I know many people with over 15 to 20 years of experience and just a Bachelors degree and they ended up in middle and top managerial positions. Like I said earlier stop comparing apples and oranges.

One may not need Phd to make a good manager but why should a manager be the least academically qualified especially where he has no intrisically better know-how? Again goodwill alone without know-how (which education provides) is not enough. Because you had one with know-how who did not do amazingly well does not mean knowhow no more matters . It means you need one with more than know-how. One with both knowhow and enough goodwill. You build on what you've got previously not scrap it because it had other weaknesses by thinking that that is irrelevant and start from scratch. If its know-how GEJ had next look for who has that and more not who lacks that. If a surgeon did a bad job next you look for a still a certified surgeon too but now for one who is good not go for a quack just because one educated surgeon didn't get it right. And there is no apples and oranges about that!
Just becuase one trained for a match but lost tge match anywa does not mean training is useless and the right way forward is to scrap training or regard it as unimportant. I dont know how this logic pattern/reasoning is too hard to grasp.

And i asked you a question previously but you'll rather run or deflect from it. Another question for you: do you start eating stones just because the apple you ate previously had bad spots? Is it not sensible to pick another apple albeit one with good spots the next time? But ofcourse you'll rather say its a bad question than answer it.

When last did America or france or other countries in Europe have presidents with questionable of their WAEC equivalent (even with their people being generally more enlightened and WAEC equivalent not being categorically stated as requirement because its already known as a matter of common sense by the people (even the non-formally efucated ones) without being told that education ,good one at that is very important and a huge advantage for a leadership candidate, but you want Nigeria to be like them with your O level candidate. Again since it does not matter, why not they even scrap the minimium WAEC requirement all together.

wolexy14:
but wait ooo guys .....come next year if buhari come win wetin nairalanders go DO?I JUST HOPE NO BE SUCIDE OOOOO. Abeg guys no kill una sef ooo

It is not nairalanders that will suicide but the very people who voted him as Jubrin .. sorry ....Buhari's FH will suicide them.

abdulwastecx:
Education is important my friend!!
Nigeria is such a shitty country because of mentality like yours, you need the education to lead a nation, to formulate policies, to chatter a path for a progressive society.

Buhari is one of the most clueless Nigeria president ever because he lacks all the requirement to even lead a local government no to talk of a country has big and diverse as Nigeria. He doesn't understand anything relating to the economy, the rule of law, foreign politics, domestic affairs of the nation and everything you will expect from a leader of a nation.

Democracy will never work in Nigeria, we are too stupid, divided, and too preoccupied with religion to pull it off. We just leave in a nation where a man with with an intellect as worst a laborer is the president only because of his trip and religion

oh men see wise men done show. Where una dey since were I dey try to reset the man flawed logic circuit to no avail. Abeg make i follow joor get small sense.

Polchiz:
You need serious lectures on advanced management. A manager should atleast possess two times (double) of the skills and knowledge of the people he is managing.

It is not enough to give order and directives, you ought to supervise the work and ensure that the people you are leading are doing the right thing.

In big multinationals, a director or general manager must have the general knowledge of the activities and operations of all departments. With this you can easily coordinate them in order to achieve organizational goals and objectives.

Quality control principles requires a require that a manage detects impending problem and act swiftly to bring it under control.

THE BEST WAY TO LEAD IS TO SET AN EXAMPLE.

How do you set an example if you do not have the knowledge?

In political leadership, a president is expected to be highly educated with robust personnel management skills. He must also understand governance.

Education is not just going to the school to acquire certificates. Education broadens someones thinking ability. It improves your cognitive evaluation and behaviour. It equips you with 21st century skills and promotes excellent comminication, organizational and interpersonal skills. Your approach to task and conflict resolution is enhanced by education. In fact education makes you a problem solver.

You are not expected to be an all-rounder but you ought to know what exactly is expected from the people you manage. You cannot do this if you are an illiterate.

Thanks man. Let me just add to that last sentence........the good will of the illiterate not minding. Its a pity that this has to be explained to be this broken down to so many even so called educated Nigerians.

It's a case of:
An army of lions led by a sheep and that of a sheep led by a lion why not that of a lion led by a lion.

abbey621:
The ideal setting is having someone who is educated while also being goodwilled but I'll gladly settle for a goodwilled president over a professor right now. Your question does not deserve a response because in order to be called a surgeon you must have the educational and experience required. No one is going to allow you to cut them up without being qualified. Once again the qualification for being president in Nigeria is a WAEC certificate hence such a person cannot be compared to a quack.

It doesn't have to be a Prof. A goodwill person without the know how is as good as one who knows but has no goodwill. Who has both is the right choice for the result you want any other is useless half measure. But then Nigerians think from least standard not best standard. You just like "naija no dey carry last" (so second-to-last is enough to fulfill that) instead of "naija must carry first" like Americans.

abbey621:
Your statement above shows that the cabinet is even more important than the president. Success depeds on them and he can fire and replace all he wants but if they keep coming up short then that is what defines his or her presidency. Let's just agree to disagree, there's no point in going back and forth!

You are getting it wrong probably willfully. Out of millions of citizens, if a leader can't appoint those who can implement his policies then either his policies beyond realistic, out-rightly stupid or the leader has a wrong/poor sense of judgment/evaluation of character or capacity to make appointments. In any case, he is a bad leader. I asked you a question who do I hold responsible if a contract I gave to you fails due to the inefficiency of your own worker/s?

abbey621:
If the president gets it right and the cabinet failed woefully, can we ruly say the pesident got it right? If the president is very bright and still appoints those who are fueled by corruption and marvel in inefficieny can we truly say such a president is bright? My premise still holds, the president is only as successful/important as his or her cabinet, to argue against this is pointless/redundant!

If the president gets it right but the cabinet does not and the president does not sack and replace fast to rectify so that at the end of the day all is well, who do you blame?. If I give you a contract and there is a mess due to one of the workers you hired, who do I hold responsible? You, my contractor, or the worker you hired? The president is under contract by the people and picks his cabinet to achieve certain goals and ultimately is responsible. Its only in Nigeria a president will come out and be exonerating himself from the failures of his own government from executing the contract for which he was elected and empowered but blaming his cabinet members whom he himself appointed and didnt properly supervise, manage, sack or hold accountable.

abbey621:
You're confusing yourself, if Buhari was truly goodwilled we would have seen the outcome by now. It is clear that it was just propaganda hence I maintain my claim that a truly goodwilled leader will achieve things in Nigeria worthy of celebrating. A good person does not turn his or her back on millions of people suffering, it's only those who are naturally inept and evil that could do such. When we finally elect a truly goodwilled leader, we would notice his goodness in the lives of the people not through propaganda!

Even if you elevt the goodwilled leader, if he does not have the know how based on lack of exposure education can provide forget it. Now must you settle for just one important parameter when you can and should go for both? Must it be half measure. Inspire to lanf in the moon then maybe you land in the stars. But no Nigerians keep shooting for the roof and land on the ceiling and wail and repeat exactly thesame but expect a different result. Must the standard be lower than the best? Can you answer that question i asked about going fir a surgeon?

abbey621:
I think you've jumped the gun a bit, your response is directly against everything I've learned from graduate studies in regards to leadership/management, the president is important no doubt but emphasis should be more on the people actually carrying out his directives, this is the core of effective leadership, at least this is what my years of experience and educational qualificatins taught me. The president's fate is determined by the people he appoints, is this not correct? As a manager in a Fortune 50 company, I can tell you that my job would be on the line if the people I manage are incompetent at their jobs. Yes I could fire them and replace them but ultimately their efficiency/inefficiency determines my fate. At least in advanced societies this is true, in 9ja we are fond of blaming everything on the president hence we might not place heavy priorities on the cabinet memebers but the premise still holds!

Am telling you about reality not what sounds nice hypothetically on paper. Each administration ultimately toes the orientation of tge president beyond cabinet members. From Clinton to bush to Obama to to Trump ultimately the presidrnt calls the shot, steers the ship and tajes the blame sane thing in Nigeria, Russia, slovakia, North korea, Turket, Italy. The presideny molds the country after his iwn image cabinet members be damned. Any cabinet members who dissents gets the boot. The cabinet is the president! Thats reality. One thing is to be sure the president is getting it right but his people are not executing right even in that case the president is blamed for not sacking the dull one.

The impact of the inefficiecy of cabinet member depends on the desired efficiency of the president as the president, if his own efficiency standard is high enough, sacks inefficient cabinet member fast just like Trump fired to Session recently.
Another big problem, not just in Nigeria, acedemia are usually out if touch with reality. As they, even the academic world, is soo into virtual utopic hypothesis for soo long that most times they easily loss touch with reality.

abbey621:
I agree but let's try the goodwill first, we've tried the intellectual piece once or twice, it's time for genuine goodwill. Let's have a genuine leader that shuns corruption, is transparent and puts the masses above his own family even when confronted with heavy criticism. Let's see if such a leader/leaders would fail woefully or if something actully changes. I'm willing to bet my last kobo on the latter.

You dont achieve it by half measure. Go for the best or mediocrity reigns. The Buhari without certs but taunted as Mr saint integrity himself what happened? Does that not tell you both are required? Will you try a lovely goodwilled but certificateless quack just because you heard that one certified surgeon with cert forgot scissors inside a patient?

abbey621:
This is why it is required that they graduate secondary school and obtain WAEC/NECO. Anything beyond that is a farce because the position does not require complex mathematical calculations, expert linguistic analyis or the ability to write chemical formulas.In fact the president is less important than the people who make up his cabinet. In this part of the world we focus more on formal education while some of the most advanced societies had leaders with mental experience rather than high achievements through formal education. Mandela, George Washington, Winston Churchill, Abraham Lincoln to name a few. Ph.D or just ordinary WAEC, all I want is someone with a good heart and the courage to implement th goodwill in the face of heavy opposition.

This is another very naive fallacy. The president is atleast as important as those in his cabinet and normally far more important. Government policies are ultimately geared towards the bias of the president. The l
Presidwnt even picks his cabinent after his own orientation. Any dissent or recalcitrant (even just perceived to be so) cabinet member can always be sacked fast afterwards. In reality, to be found or percieved not to toe the presidents lead spells doom for cabinet members who can either resign or be sacked. So ultimately its the presidents will that forms the agenda of a government.

If the president has a goodwil and know-how but the cabinet does not, he can always sack and replace to get his will do. But if the opposite is the case the cabinet most likely cannot muster enough political currency and wherewithal to take him out. He ends up sacking them with their good will or stifling them to comport with his. Which may likely be the case in Nigeria today. You can say the likes of Ngige, Fashola, etc are absolutely clueless as they may appear to be but are more likely handicapped by the limitarions and priorities of the oga at the top.

Everytime Africa want to copy but dont appreciate the peculiarities of their society and the differences therein so half-copy or copy amiss.

abbey621:
Again you are arguing without proper facts. Most of the leaders I mentioned did not even complete secondary school yet they led their country to greatness. I don't know what you are arguing here, any reasonable Nigerian would agree GEJ was a failure and Buhari has also failed woefully, hence education did not factor into their greediness or inefficiency! You are worried about the Nigerian Constitution that requires just a WAEC certificate to become president, what would you now say to the U.S constitution which does not require any education at all? . Even the forefathers realized that formal education without a goodheart is defectum(defective).

Again i have no disagreement with somethings you wrote. But you are looking at it from a very emperical angle considering the specifics of orientation, awareness and societal intelligience and value prevalent in the different societies. The average american is educated even if not highly schooled. Even the not formally educated ones have huge respect for the intellectuals not with Nigerian were money is the only thing that matters not intelligience. Look how Trump was elected instead of Hilliary something that wont be fantomable in Nigeria even if the elextions are free and fair because Nigerians are not intelligient enough and exposed to proper reasoning even with formal education.
Am saying in Nigeria education (exposure to effective logic and value system and oreintation for macro management) is as important as goodwill by a would be leader. Any one without the other is a farce.

In Nigeria people go go school finish they dont even know that their is nor the knowledge and logic/reasoning gap between themselve and illiterates and in extension between other educated persons and illiterates maybe because there is even none but they want the country to improve. What a fuckery.

abbey621:
This is why it is required that they graduate secondary school and obtain WAEC/NECO. Anything beyond that is a farce because the position does not require complex mathematical calculations, expert linguistic analyis or the ability to write chemical formulas. In fact the president is less important than the people who make up his cabinet. In this part of the world we focus more on formal education while some of the most advanced societies had leaders with mental experience rather than high achievements through formal education. Mandela, George Washington, Winston Churchill, Abraham Lincoln to name a few. Ph.D or just ordinary WAEC, all I want is someone with a good heart and the courage to implement th goodwill in the face of heavy opposition.

Most world leaders were/are learned including the ones you mentioned and have certs far beyond WAEC. But since Nigeria set the academic requirement soo low, dullard is what they get. Again, goodwill without pre exposure to know-how via education is useless. Or what do you think is the essence of education. Infact this is why Nigeria is a mess - soo many highly schooled individual who are illiterates cause they dont even know the value and essence of the education and schooling they claim to have. I cant believe am here writing epistles to convince so called schooled individuals that education is imperative to effective leadership.
Maybe those way even put WAEC there are stupid they for just say any one with good heart should apply even if he/she dont know 1+1 =2 or believes 2/2=50.

GEJ never went abroad to announce that Nigerian youths are lazy. Why? He knows the import. The dullard - no clue and in his mind he was making sense when he said those words to the international audience.

abbey621:
You're still missing the point, education is less important than having a politician willing to do the right things, a politician/leader with a big heart and fear of God is what Nigerians need. All these distractions over certificates is just comedy, everyone is corrupt, everything we do is corrupt in this zoo, no damn difference between the educated ones and the illiterate ones. Everyone is mentally enslaved to corruption.

Agreed to the last part.

Someone may have the goodwill but without education will still very likely fail woefully. Education gives men the mental capacity and knowledge to go about executing goodwill. An illiterate with good will cant still prescribe the right drugs to cure illness. Education is always important and must never be underplayed because all the goodwill and big heart likely will not be enough without the person being exposed to the hows and how not which education provides. Maybe you guys have not interacted enough with illiterates to know that their goodwill alone cant lead to the right results on certain level of management.
And the Phd holder gave an election were he accepted loss something that stems from being educatedly exposed.

What is education? Exposure to certain knowledge, effective logic and intelligience which when applied makes a diifference. What is goodwill without that? Education is not i sabi read abcd and 1234 (even though it may include that)
What is certificate? An evidence one has had such exposure.

Wether to apply what one knows is a different thing but to not even know at all ...hmmm....nothing beats that. And without cert how can we know for sure aka "certify" that someone in this case the president, even knows how to get the right things done in his level based on international best practises and ethics?

You guys have to understand the essence of things.

abbey621:
Of what good did having a Ph.D holder from the South do the nation? I'm telling you all of them are corrupt, educated or illiterate, they are all GREEDY!

Who is doubting they aint greedy? The matter that there is a huge diffetence between an educated person and illiterate mentally unless for the ones here who went to school and dont know who can be classified as,not educated, but highly schooled illiterates.

abbey621:
To become a surgeon you need to have a certain number of educational qualifications, to become president of Nigeria you only need to complete high school and have WAEC/NECO.... stop comparing apples with oranges!

How ridiculois just to favour any dullard from the north and you expect the country to improve. And to not even have that, how does that qualify you?

PassingShot:
If you’re looking for it, Sambisa Forest is the best place to search

Just like every other candidate provided theirs its upto a dullard or his fellow dullard loving supporters to provode it from the military in the moon or confess he has none not me.

abbey621:
You are comparing apples with oranges? Can someone become a doctor without knowledge in a particular medical field? What is the educational requirement to become a president in Nigeria? School Cert! The point is we've seen no difference between a Ph.D holder and a supposedly WAEC cert. holder. All of them are corrupt hence education is irrelevant!

Since thats the case, if a surgeon does a bad job, then an illiterate not another surgeon should handle subsequent cases. Afterall education is useless. Why not we close all education institute since afterall dullards can do just as much as education is useless.