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Re: Victor Uwajeh: US War College Confirms Buhari Didn’t Submit Any Credentials by godliman: 7:56pm On Nov 12, 2018 |
Pusyiter:pls read my post carefully, I didn't wish him dead but I wish him a happy retirement in daura next year isint that fair sir? 1 Like |
Re: Victor Uwajeh: US War College Confirms Buhari Didn’t Submit Any Credentials by princfred(m): 7:59pm On Nov 12, 2018 |
In Nigeria people go go school finish they dont even know that their is nor the knowledge and logic/reasoning gap between themselve and illiterates and in extension between other educated persons and illiterates maybe because there is even none but they want the country to improve. What a fuckery. |
Re: Victor Uwajeh: US War College Confirms Buhari Didn’t Submit Any Credentials by abbey621(m): 8:04pm On Nov 12, 2018 |
princfred: Again you are arguing without proper facts. Most of the leaders I mentioned did not even complete secondary school yet they led their country to greatness. I don't know what you are arguing here, any reasonable Nigerian would agree GEJ was a failure and Buhari has also failed woefully, hence education did not factor into their greediness or inefficiency! You are worried about the Nigerian Constitution that requires just a WAEC certificate to become president, what would you now say to the U.S constitution which does not require any education at all? . Even the forefathers realized that formal education without a goodheart is defectum(defective). |
Re: Victor Uwajeh: US War College Confirms Buhari Didn’t Submit Any Credentials by akigbemaru: 8:08pm On Nov 12, 2018 |
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Re: Victor Uwajeh: US War College Confirms Buhari Didn’t Submit Any Credentials by princfred(m): 8:38pm On Nov 12, 2018 |
abbey621:Again i have no disagreement with somethings you wrote. But you are looking at it from a very emperical angle considering the specifics of orientation, awareness and societal intelligience and value prevalent in the different societies. The average american is educated even if not highly schooled. Even the not formally educated ones have huge respect for the intellectuals not with Nigerian were money is the only thing that matters not intelligience. Look how Trump was elected instead of Hilliary something that wont be fantomable in Nigeria even if the elextions are free and fair because Nigerians are not intelligient enough and exposed to proper reasoning even with formal education. Am saying in Nigeria education (exposure to effective logic and value system and oreintation for macro management) is as important as goodwill by a would be leader. Any one without the other is a farce. |
Re: Victor Uwajeh: US War College Confirms Buhari Didn’t Submit Any Credentials by abbey621(m): 8:51pm On Nov 12, 2018 |
princfred: I agree but let's try the goodwill first, we've tried the intellectual piece once or twice, it's time for genuine goodwill. Let's have a genuine leader that shuns corruption, is transparent and puts the masses above his own family even when confronted with heavy criticism. Let's see if such a leader/leaders would fail woefully or if something actully changes. I'm willing to bet my last kobo on the latter. |
Re: Victor Uwajeh: US War College Confirms Buhari Didn’t Submit Any Credentials by princfred(m): 9:00pm On Nov 12, 2018 |
abbey621:This is another very naive fallacy. The president is atleast as important as those in his cabinet and normally far more important. Government policies are ultimately geared towards the bias of the president. The l Presidwnt even picks his cabinent after his own orientation. Any dissent or recalcitrant (even just perceived to be so) cabinet member can always be sacked fast afterwards. In reality, to be found or percieved not to toe the presidents lead spells doom for cabinet members who can either resign or be sacked. So ultimately its the presidents will that forms the agenda of a government. If the president has a goodwil and know-how but the cabinet does not, he can always sack and replace to get his will do. But if the opposite is the case the cabinet most likely cannot muster enough political currency and wherewithal to take him out. He ends up sacking them with their good will or stifling them to comport with his. Which may likely be the case in Nigeria today. You can say the likes of Ngige, Fashola, etc are absolutely clueless as they may appear to be but are more likely handicapped by the limitarions and priorities of the oga at the top. Everytime Africa want to copy but dont appreciate the peculiarities of their society and the differences therein so half-copy or copy amiss. 1 Like |
Re: Victor Uwajeh: US War College Confirms Buhari Didn’t Submit Any Credentials by abbey621(m): 9:09pm On Nov 12, 2018 |
princfred: I think you've jumped the gun a bit, your response is directly against everything I've learned from graduate studies in regards to leadership/management, the president is important no doubt but emphasis should be more on the people actually carrying out his directives, this is the core of effective leadership, at least this is what my years of experience and educational qualificatins taught me. The president's fate is determined by the people he appoints, is this not correct? As a manager in a Fortune 50 company, I can tell you that my job would be on the line if the people I manage are incompetent at their jobs. Yes I could fire them and replace them but ultimately their efficiency/inefficiency determines my fate. At least in advanced societies this is true, in 9ja we are fond of blaming everything on the president hence we might not place heavy priorities on the cabinet memebers but the premise still holds! 1 Like |
Re: Victor Uwajeh: US War College Confirms Buhari Didn’t Submit Any Credentials by princfred(m): 9:10pm On Nov 12, 2018 |
abbey621:You dont achieve it by half measure. Go for the best or mediocrity reigns. The Buhari without certs but taunted as Mr saint integrity himself what happened? Does that not tell you both are required? Will you try a lovely goodwilled but certificateless quack just because you heard that one certified surgeon with cert forgot scissors inside a patient? |
Re: Victor Uwajeh: US War College Confirms Buhari Didn’t Submit Any Credentials by oziamaka: 9:20pm On Nov 12, 2018 |
can anyone spot the differences between buhari's picture while receiving his certificate from the US war school and the picture on buhari's recent waec certificate? the waec picture or passport is no doubt a recent snapshot purported to have been taking since 1960. hahahaha |
Re: Victor Uwajeh: US War College Confirms Buhari Didn’t Submit Any Credentials by GoodGovernance: 9:20pm On Nov 12, 2018 |
PassingShot: I think this sums it up. 1 Like |
Re: Victor Uwajeh: US War College Confirms Buhari Didn’t Submit Any Credentials by princfred(m): 9:21pm On Nov 12, 2018 |
abbey621:Am telling you about reality not what sounds nice hypothetically on paper. Each administration ultimately toes the orientation of tge president beyond cabinet members. From Clinton to bush to Obama to to Trump ultimately the presidrnt calls the shot, steers the ship and tajes the blame sane thing in Nigeria, Russia, slovakia, North korea, Turket, Italy. The presideny molds the country after his iwn image cabinet members be damned. Any cabinet members who dissents gets the boot. The cabinet is the president! Thats reality. One thing is to be sure the president is getting it right but his people are not executing right even in that case the president is blamed for not sacking the dull one. The impact of the inefficiecy of cabinet member depends on the desired efficiency of the president as the president, if his own efficiency standard is high enough, sacks inefficient cabinet member fast just like Trump fired to Session recently. Another big problem, not just in Nigeria, acedemia are usually out if touch with reality. As they, even the academic world, is soo into virtual utopic hypothesis for soo long that most times they easily loss touch with reality. |
Re: Victor Uwajeh: US War College Confirms Buhari Didn’t Submit Any Credentials by abbey621(m): 9:22pm On Nov 12, 2018 |
princfred: You're confusing yourself, if Buhari was truly goodwilled we would have seen the outcome by now. It is clear that it was just propaganda hence I maintain my claim that a truly goodwilled leader will achieve things in Nigeria worthy of celebrating. A good person does not turn his or her back on millions of people suffering, it's only those who are naturally inept and evil that could do such. When we finally elect a truly goodwilled leader, we would notice his goodness in the lives of the people not through propaganda! 1 Like |
Re: Victor Uwajeh: US War College Confirms Buhari Didn’t Submit Any Credentials by abbey621(m): 9:27pm On Nov 12, 2018 |
princfred: If the president gets it right and the cabinet failed woefully, can we ruly say the pesident got it right? If the president is very bright and still appoints those who are fueled by corruption and marvel in inefficieny can we truly say such a president is bright? My premise still holds, the president is only as successful/important as his or her cabinet, to argue against this is pointless/redundant! |
Re: Victor Uwajeh: US War College Confirms Buhari Didn’t Submit Any Credentials by princfred(m): 9:33pm On Nov 12, 2018 |
abbey621:Even if you elevt the goodwilled leader, if he does not have the know how based on lack of exposure education can provide forget it. Now must you settle for just one important parameter when you can and should go for both? Must it be half measure. Inspire to lanf in the moon then maybe you land in the stars. But no Nigerians keep shooting for the roof and land on the ceiling and wail and repeat exactly thesame but expect a different result. Must the standard be lower than the best? Can you answer that question i asked about going fir a surgeon? |
Re: Victor Uwajeh: US War College Confirms Buhari Didn’t Submit Any Credentials by Orpe7(m): 9:41pm On Nov 12, 2018 |
Anyone could type that shit on an A4 paper #fakenews |
Re: Victor Uwajeh: US War College Confirms Buhari Didn’t Submit Any Credentials by blackgold90(m): 9:42pm On Nov 12, 2018 |
michoim: In summary buhari can only attend institution that don't require certificates to attend |
Re: Victor Uwajeh: US War College Confirms Buhari Didn’t Submit Any Credentials by abbey621(m): 9:44pm On Nov 12, 2018 |
princfred: The ideal setting is having someone who is educated while also being goodwilled but I'll gladly settle for a goodwilled president over a professor right now. Your question does not deserve a response because in order to be called a surgeon you must have the educational and experience required. No one is going to allow you to cut them up without being qualified. Once again the qualification for being president in Nigeria is a WAEC certificate hence such a person cannot be compared to a quack. |
Re: Victor Uwajeh: US War College Confirms Buhari Didn’t Submit Any Credentials by princfred(m): 9:46pm On Nov 12, 2018 |
abbey621:If the president gets it right but the cabinet does not and the president does not sack and replace fast to rectify so that at the end of the day all is well, who do you blame?. If I give you a contract and there is a mess due to one of the workers you hired, who do I hold responsible? You, my contractor, or the worker you hired? The president is under contract by the people and picks his cabinet to achieve certain goals and ultimately is responsible. Its only in Nigeria a president will come out and be exonerating himself from the failures of his own government from executing the contract for which he was elected and empowered but blaming his cabinet members whom he himself appointed and didnt properly supervise, manage, sack or hold accountable. 1 Like |
Re: Victor Uwajeh: US War College Confirms Buhari Didn’t Submit Any Credentials by abbey621(m): 9:54pm On Nov 12, 2018 |
princfred: Your statement above shows that the cabinet is even more important than the president. Success depeds on them and he can fire and replace all he wants but if they keep coming up short then that is what defines his or her presidency. Let's just agree to disagree, there's no point in going back and forth! |
Re: Victor Uwajeh: US War College Confirms Buhari Didn’t Submit Any Credentials by princfred(m): 9:59pm On Nov 12, 2018 |
abbey621:You are getting it wrong probably willfully. Out of millions of citizens, if a leader can't appoint those who can implement his policies then either his policies beyond realistic, out-rightly stupid or the leader has a wrong/poor sense of judgment/evaluation of character or capacity to make appointments. In any case, he is a bad leader. I asked you a question who do I hold responsible if a contract I gave to you fails due to the inefficiency of your own worker/s? |
Re: Victor Uwajeh: US War College Confirms Buhari Didn’t Submit Any Credentials by princfred(m): 10:06pm On Nov 12, 2018 |
abbey621:It doesn't have to be a Prof. A goodwill person without the know how is as good as one who knows but has no goodwill. Who has both is the right choice for the result you want any other is useless half measure. But then Nigerians think from least standard not best standard. You just like "naija no dey carry last" (so second-to-last is enough to fulfill that) instead of "naija must carry first" like Americans. |
Re: Victor Uwajeh: US War College Confirms Buhari Didn’t Submit Any Credentials by Polchiz(m): 10:17pm On Nov 12, 2018 |
abbey621: You need serious lectures on advanced management. A manager should atleast possess two times (double) of the skills and knowledge of the people he is managing. It is not enough to give order and directives, you ought to supervise the work and ensure that the people you are leading are doing the right thing. In big multinationals, a director or general manager must have the general knowledge of the activities and operations of all departments. With this you can easily coordinate them in order to achieve organizational goals and objectives. Quality control principles requires that a manage detects impending problem and act swiftly to bring it under control. THE BEST WAY TO LEAD IS TO SET AN EXAMPLE. How do you set an example if you do not have the knowledge? In political leadership, a president is expected to be highly educated with robust personnel management skills. He must also understand governance. Education is not just going to the school to acquire certificates. Education broadens someones thinking ability. It improves your cognitive evaluation and behaviour. It equips you with 21st century skills and promotes excellent comminication, organizational and interpersonal skills. Your approach to task and conflict resolution is enhanced by education. In fact education makes you a problem solver. You are not expected to be an all-rounder but you ought to know what exactly is expected from the people you manage. You cannot do this if you are an illiterate. 1 Like |
Re: Victor Uwajeh: US War College Confirms Buhari Didn’t Submit Any Credentials by princfred(m): 10:36pm On Nov 12, 2018 |
Polchiz:Thanks man. Let me just add to that last sentence........the good will of the illiterate not minding. Its a pity that this has to be explained to be this broken down to so many even so called educated Nigerians. It's a case of: An army of lions led by a sheep and that of a sheep led by a lion why not that of a lion led by a lion. |
Re: Victor Uwajeh: US War College Confirms Buhari Didn’t Submit Any Credentials by abdulwastecx(m): 10:47pm On Nov 12, 2018 |
abbey621: Education is important my friend!! Nigeria is such a shitty country because of mentality like yours, you need the education to lead a nation, to formulate policies, to chatter a path for a progressive society. Buhari is one of the most clueless Nigeria president ever because he lacks all the requirement to even lead a local government no to talk of a country has big and diverse as Nigeria. He doesn't understand anything relating to the economy, the rule of law, foreign politics, domestic affairs of the nation and everything you will expect from a leader of a nation. Democracy will never work in Nigeria because we are too stupid, divided, and preoccupied with religion to pull it off. We just live in a nation where a man with an intellect as worst as a laborer is the president only because of his tribe and religion 4 Likes |
Re: Victor Uwajeh: US War College Confirms Buhari Didn’t Submit Any Credentials by abbey621(m): 10:48pm On Nov 12, 2018 |
Polchiz: Point A: A manager in a corporate setting is expected to have general knowledge of specific area/areas that he or she is managing not advanced knowledge. In fact all my years as a technical professionals and an I. T auditor, I never worked with a manager who knew close to half the things I knew. When I became a manager I started knowing less and less about the micro tasks each of my auditors were engaged in and I focused more on the macro engagements. I think you are confusing managerial skills with technical skills, a manager can get his or team to work more efficiently by deploying effective team building tactics focused on key metrics, such a manager need not be an expert but must know who or what to rely upon when answers are needed. When you've managed 15 to 20 staff members and also hold two Masters degrees, maybe I've received some lectures on advanced management...lol Point B: The Nigerian Constitution only requires a WAEC certificate for any presidential aspirant. In the U.S., no formal education is required, surely your expectations are based on your own thinking and not what is written in the Constitution! Furthermore, formal education is no guaranty for success, as witnessed by our Ph.D holding ex-president, perhaps you meant non-formal education/experience? Are you saying someone who led during the military era and also led during the Democratic era such as Obasanjo would be classified as a less educated leader to someone like GEJ who holds a Ph.D? Sometimes formal education is highly overrated! 1 Like |
Re: Victor Uwajeh: US War College Confirms Buhari Didn’t Submit Any Credentials by abbey621(m): 10:50pm On Nov 12, 2018 |
abdulwastecx: Nigeria is a shitty nation because of corrupt, greedy leaders. You can continue touting education as the number one priority but we've had a Ph.D holder fail just as much as an illiterate. If you can't defend this then keep shut! |
Re: Victor Uwajeh: US War College Confirms Buhari Didn’t Submit Any Credentials by princfred(m): 10:55pm On Nov 12, 2018 |
abdulwastecx:oh men see wise men done show. Where una dey since were I dey try to reset the man flawed logic circuit to no avail. Abeg make i follow joor get small sense. |
Re: Victor Uwajeh: US War College Confirms Buhari Didn’t Submit Any Credentials by Polchiz(m): 11:03pm On Nov 12, 2018 |
abbey621: You still do not get it. What you do in your office and what is written in Nigerian constitution are not dogmas. I am talking of an established principle under ideal condition. It does not matter what is obtainable in your office or Nigeria. |
Re: Victor Uwajeh: US War College Confirms Buhari Didn’t Submit Any Credentials by Polchiz(m): 11:08pm On Nov 12, 2018 |
abbey621: What is your definition of failure and explain exactly how Goodluck failed. 1 Like |
Re: Victor Uwajeh: US War College Confirms Buhari Didn’t Submit Any Credentials by abbey621(m): 11:09pm On Nov 12, 2018 |
Polchiz: Ideal condition? Define ideal? What we have is reality and experience, save fantasy for your fellow daydreamers! The last time I checked there is no one principle of management, we have many management principles so what are you talking about? I think you've chosen the wrong person to discuss principles of management with....lol |
Re: Victor Uwajeh: US War College Confirms Buhari Didn’t Submit Any Credentials by abbey621(m): 11:10pm On Nov 12, 2018 |
Polchiz: OMG....Are you serious? Is this a real question? Tell me you're trolling me, come on! I'm not going to dignify this ridiculous question with an answer! |
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