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MuttleyLaff:
Belated congrats on your successful delivery of the young king. You and your child are blessed.

He's our king indeed. Thank you so much.
Will address your posts really soon.

Blessings

OkCornel:
Hey dear, good morning.


I've been reading your posts on this thread, and I kinda understand the angle you're coming from.

Since this is not gonna be argument about who is right or wrong, I'll be happy to discuss with you.


How's hubby and the baby? Hope y'all doing well.


Cheers

Greetings brother OKCornel!

We're fine, thanks. I pray you and yours are doing well by the grace of God.
I discern your humility and find your willingness to explore this topic very refreshing.
It makes all this wahala worth it

I must put my reasons for starting this thread in its proper perspective.
You're absolutely correct in that this is NOT an argument, nor about right or wrong.
Thank you for being able to see that.

This discussion began in another thread about dreams and the end time church.
I explained to EMILOYSTAY2 that there is a remnant of the church that will NOT suffer persecution during the tribulation.
For the simple reason that these believers mimic the early church.
This is the church of Philadelphia.

Careful study of this church shows they comprise of the TRUE ISRAELITES, and the gentiles that follow them.
The white ashkenazi jews in the land of Israel right now are NOT THE SONS OF JACOB (there's no such thing as an ashkenazi jew).
These white jews are working hard to build the temple the antichrist will stand in.
They're satan's fake version of God's chosen people.
They adhere to the Babylonian Talmud...NOT THE HOLY TORAH.
The Talmud says the Messiah is boiling in hot excrement among other blasphemous things.
No other book vilifies the Messiah...not even the Koran. It's purely satanic.

The TRUE ISRAELITES are keeping their God's laws, statutes and commandments from days of old.
They shall escape the tribulation by God making a way for them in the wilderness.
They are the church (woman) described in Rev 12.

There are many churches.
But it appears that this church has GOD'S MARK.. His seal of protection.
Because they kept his WORD (TORAH).

This is not a salvation issue. Salvation comes by Grace.
God is blessing those who come to Him, and acknowledge Jesus' work on the cross...
Torah observant or not.
But there's a higher blessing for those who keep Torah.
Something that's coming under increasing attack...

I'm happy to discuss this issue further -- ask me anything, I'll do my best to help!

Goshen360:
I will try to discuss whenever I have the time AND ENERGY. OK.

Shalom

Yes, please do so after you've humbled yourself and consulted with the HOLY SPIRIT. OK?

He will testify to all things true.

Amen.

Goshen360:
I can't even respond to you in your comment to me because, you are deep into this law thing and you're just jump quoting scriptures from left to right, from old to new WITHOUT RIGHTLY DIVIDING the word of truth.

I just don't have the energy right now to dismantle your errors but I believe I'll have time and energy someday. We can dig it out then.

Enjoy your errors, until then.

Okay. That's all I ask. If I'm in error, I'll humbly repent to God and ask forgiveness from anyone I might have led astray with the insistence of obeying God's laws. Including each and every one of you in this thread.

I don't know everything, but if I'm not rightly dividing the word, then someone please SHOW ME my error. Instead of "ignoring" me, accusing me of being "argumentative", or simply proclaiming I'm in error with no sufficient proof to back it up, I'm still waiting for someone to SHOW ME my error, as per the scriptures.

To rightly divide the word, is to understand scriptures IN THEIR PROPER CONTEXT.
You need the Bible to interpret the Bible. It must interpret itself.
Line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little, there a little.

God's law, statues and commandments are discussed in virtually every book of the Bible. But I've noticed every single person who says the laws are "done away with" pull only from the writings of just Paul. Thus overlooking scriptures from Genesis (Gen 26:5) to Revelation (Rev 14:12) that clearly tell us to keep God's laws.

Paul's letters must be in agreement with the rest of scripture. For those who somehow think the OT doesn't count anymore, even the NT has many scriptures instructing us to keep the law. Including countless scriptures from Paul himself, whom you all say "did away with the law".

How can you say I'm not rightly dividing when I've used a body of scriptures to prove the existence of God's laws, yet you can only defend otherwise from ONE APOSTLE'S writings? Are you sure you're not guilty of the very thing you accuse me of?


Anywhoo, I don't blame you. I was under this deception myself. This is not a milk teaching. Go to God in prayer about this. Ask the Holy Spirit to guide you into ALL TRUTH regarding this matter. Holla back when you're ready.


Shalom.

CaveAdullam:
If I should ignore this mention, it will seems to you that you have made a point, but however, due to the fact that the classic specimen of a human being is doing justice to this matter at hand I will still ignore you.

You can however choose to be my guest.

Good day.

Thanks.

God bless.

Lol. Can't rebut the written word eh?

You don't ignore me -- but then written word of the Most High.

I'm not the one who said we should imitate Christ...the ultimate Law Keeper himself.

But no problem. Good day to you too. Blessings.

CaveAdullam:
Was the law meant for the Jews or Gentiles?

What connects the Jews and the Gentiles?

All this people, law people that love arguments than food @providence338, you just dey find argument may you wan win calm down.

The Lord Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of the Law and we will all be pleasing in the eyes of God if we allow the Holy Spirit and not the Law lead us the way He lead Christ on earth.

Who me? (looks around). Argumentative? How so?
I suggest you take your own advice lol. Stop imagining strife where there is none

See my posts above. I believe the scriptures provided answers most of your questions.

THERE'S ONE LAW FOR THE ISRAELITES AND THE FOREIGNER

Num 9:14, 15:16, Exo 12:49, Lev 24:22

In as far as your last statement.. Jesus Christ kept every aspect of the law.
You all quote from apostle Paul so much, but conveniently overlook the fact that he imitated Jesus the LAW-KEEPER, and instructed us to do the same. (1 Cor 11:1, 4:16), (Phil 3:17), (1 Thess 1:6)

That Christ was the "end" of the law doesn't mean the law ceases to exist.
How can something be declared the "end" in one book, but be called "eternal" in another? (Psalm 119:160)

If Christ was the "end" of the law, then why is the Sabbath referenced in the end-time tribulation? (Matt 24:20)?
Why are Paul and the apostles still keeping the law, and (rightfully so) instructing gentiles to do the same?
Why is the law going to be observed by EVERYBODY during the millennial reign, with Christ as our ruler in Zion?


"THE LAW SHALL GO FORTH FROM ZION AND THE WORD OF THE LORD FROM JERUSALEM" (Isa 2:3, Mic 4:2)


Everyone here is justifying the eradication of God's laws based on a single man's writings (Paul).
This poses a serious problem. The Word of God cannot be broken.
If Paul is saying "the law is done away with", we should see similar language by the other authors. We don't.
Christ HIMSELF said he didn't do away with the law but to "fulfill" it....and not ONE dot or tittle shall pass from the law until HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS AWAY AND ALL IS ACCOMPLISHED.

Has heaven and earth passed away?
Has all been accomplished?

Christ is the "end" of the law is not what you think it means. the Bible interprets itself. It can't be praised, extolled, and observed by the same man who supposedly said it ended (Rom 7:12). This calls for further study on your part.

I challenge you to read other online Bible versions of Matt 5:17, and also see what "fulfill" in the concordance means (G4137)

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G4137&t=NKJV

MuttleyLaff:
Well, some just like peeling the fruit of the Spirit, but never have any intention of actually eating and enjoying it

Christ said do not commit adultery. This is the 7th commandment.

He went even FURTHER in the SPIRIT OF THE LAW, and said to not even THINK about committing adultery.

Christ said do not murder.

He went even FURTHER in the SPIRIT OF THE LAW, and said to not even have HATE in your heart for your brother.

Herein is the FRUIT of keeping Yah's laws, statutes and commandments..of which I enjoy very much. Thanks

If you are the believer in Christ you purport to be, then you'd do well in doing the same. Bless you.

Goshen360:
All these law keepers on this forum sef....una don start again. This law of a thing had been dismantled just like the subject of tithing to Christians.

OP, let me ask you this question:

Where was the 10 commandments WHEN JOSEPH FLEW FORNICATION to his master's wife? Where was THE LAW AND 10 COMMANDMENTS when Noah, Enoch walked upright before God? Where was the law and the 10 commandments before Abraham WAS DECLARED RIGHTEOUS WITHOUT THE DEEDS OF THE LAW OF MOSES.

I mean, was "thou shall not commit adultery/fornication" given then?

The better you understand that Christ IS THE END OF THE LAW....the better for you.

Just listen to yourself. You make it seem like a bad thing. "Law-Keeper". I guess, I should strive to be a "Law-Breaker" like you, huh? Or like the pharisees? (read my previous scriptures on the pharisees).

Just so you know...Christ was a LAW-KEEPER. As was Enoch. Noah. Abraham. Joseph. ETC.
Should you not strive to be a law-keeper as Christ was? Or the patriarchs? (Gen 26:5)
Noah knew the law of clean and unclean food (Gen 7:2)
Cain and Abel even knew the law of tithing and offering (Gen 4:3-4)

So you see, you're making my POINT. The law didn't come into existence with Moses. The law is ETERNAL. It was, is and always will BE. It was already in the heavens and taught to Adam and his progeny. Through Shem's line, then Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and his 12 sons, God chose a nation to re-introduce his laws to the world. That nation is Israel. That's why God said: REMEMBER the Sabbath. The Israelites always knew of it from the days of Adam, Seth, Enoch, Noah...etc who obviously observed it. Despite what you think or are taught by your misguided pastor, this day has not been done away with. Neither has God's laws, which exits in the heavens and shall never be done away with. It's not possible.

As usual, you're quoting from a man who KEPT THE LAW. Does that make SENSE?

If Christ is the "end" of the law as you claim, then why did he and all the other apostles not only continue to KEEP THE LAW, after Christ's ascension, but ENCOURAGE the gentiles to do the same? (Col 2:16-17)


WHY DID THE APOSTLES ENCOURAGE THE GENTILES TO LEARN THE LAW AS TAUGHT IN THE SYNAGOGUES EVERY SABBATH (Acts 15:19-21)

So either Paul was a mental basket-case when he penned that verse.... OR you don't have a good grasp of Paul's writings.

I'll go with the latter.

Last, what is SIN, according to the Bible?

The transgression of the LAW (1 John 3:4)

What did Satan DO to God in heaven?

"By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire." (Ezekiel 28:16)

Careful study of this verse PROVES that the law exited long before you and I, Moses and even ADAM. It shall always STAND. AMEN.

@EMILO2STAY:

I observe the laws the best way I can. And so do you....as do most believers. They just don't observe it to the full...b/c we've all been lied to.

I don't kill, steal, hate, covet, commit adultery...even in the heart. I try not to anyway.

Furthermore, once I gained understanding that God's laws weren't done away with, I did away with the Babylonian folly days of christmas & easter.
Those are NOT IN the Bible.

I began to observe the Passover, Pentecost, Tabernacles, etc.
Those are IN the Bible.

I also began to observe the Shabbat. This day is very important to God. It never changed. There are New Testament scriptures that prove this.

Last, I did away with unclean foods. I stopped eating catfish, crayfish, shrimps, crabs, etc which really hurt. I cooked a lot with these foods, but I now understand these are unhealthy meats as they're the ocean's bottomfeeders.

I don't eat pork anyway, I can totally understand why God prohibits it. They're the bottom feeders of the land...they literally eat anything, their meat is literally TOXIC. They're not meant for human consumption.

ps -- Why don't you subscribe to Christ's supposed b'day? And what are your views on the Biblical sabbath?

EMILO2STAY:
the scriptures I quoted is enough proof the law is done away with for it was a school master meant to be set aside for a better covenant. Let me ask u do you still observe this laws?.

As for christ birthday I do not subscribe to that, neither do I take sunday as the biblical sabbat day.

The scriptures you posted are NOT SUFFICIENT PROOF that the law is done away with.

Otherwise, ask yourself, why then did Paul KEEP THE LAW?

"But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the LAW AND IN THE PROPHETS"(Acts 24:14)

"While he answered for himself, Neither against the law of the Jews, neither against the temple, nor yet against Caesar, have I offended any thing at all" (Acts 25:8 )

"I thank Yahweh--through Yahushua the Messiah our Master! So then, with the mind I myself serve the Law of Yahweh, but with the flesh the Law of sin." (Romans 7:25)

Paul can't KEEP THE LAW and tell the gentiles its DONE AWAY WITH AT THE SAME TIME.

THERE'S ONE LAW FOR THE ISRAELITES AND THE FOREIGNER

Num 9:14, 15:16, Exo 12:49, Lev 24:22

So back to your post. If Paul is telling the Galatians the law is done away with, then Paul is either a schizophrenic maniacal hypocritical LIAR, or there has been a GROSS misinterpretation Paul's writings by the modern church.

Nobody misinterprets Jesus who came NOT TO ABOLISH THE LAW AND PROPHETS (see Paul Acts 24:14) BUT FULFILL (EMBODY) IT (Matt 5:12).
Nobody misconstrues John who defined sin as THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW (1 John 3:4).
Nobody confuses James who said if we FULFILL (EMBODY) the law (see Jesus Matt 5:12), then we shall do well (James 2:8 ).

The message is clear from ALL THE APOSTLES AND JESUS HIMSELF the law is not done away with. Why do you all suddenly get it wrong with Paul? Who by the way was essentially KILLED by his fellow brethren who accused him of doing the very thing you all are.
They were offended that he was teaching the gentiles to "do away with the law" and he died defending himself that he wasn't! (Acts 25:8 )

Paul must be the most misunderstood man in the history of the earth.

OkCornel:
The bedrock of the new covenant is not the Laws of Moses, but the teachings of Christ.


Let's look at what Paul said concerning the Law in 1 Timothy 1 v 8-11;


8We know that the law is good if one uses it properly.
9 We also know that law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers,
10 for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers--and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine

I agree. The bedrock of the New Covenant was never the Law. I see that nowhere in the scriptures.

And before I address your reference to 1 Timothy 1 v 8-11; let me ask you this, if you don't mind:

What is your understanding of the New Covenant? According to the Bible?

OkCornel:
The bedrock of the new covenant is not the Laws of Moses, but the teachings of Christ.


Let's look at what Paul said concerning the Law in 1 Timothy 1 v 8-11;


8We know that the law is good if one uses it properly.
9 We also know that law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers,
10 for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers--and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine

First of all Bros OKCornel, thank you, blessings to you!

OkCornel:
Does it mean the Apostles were wrong to tell the Gentile Christians not to observe the Mosaic Laws as per Acts 15?

Acts 15 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

1 Then came down certain from Judea, and taught the brethren, saying, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

2 And when there was great dissension, and disputation by Paul and Barnabas against them, they ordained that Paul and Barnabas, and certain others of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the Apostles and Elders about this question.

3 Thus being brought forth by the Church, they passed through Phoenicia and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles, and they brought great joy unto all the brethren.

4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the Church, and of the Apostles and Elders, and they declared what things God had done by them.

5 But said they, certain of the sect of the Pharisees, which did believe, rose up, saying that it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the Law of Moses.

6 Then the Apostles and Elders came together to look to this matter.

7 And when there had been great disputation, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Ye men and brethren, ye know that a good while ago, among us God chose out me, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the Gospel, and believe.

8 And God which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, in giving unto them the holy Ghost even as he did unto us.

9 And he put no difference between us and them, after that by faith he had purified their hearts.

10 Now therefore, why tempt ye God, to lay a yoke on the disciples’ necks, which neither our fathers, nor we were able to bear?

11 But we believe, through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved, even as they do.

12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and heard Barnabas and Paul, which told what signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles by them.

13 And when they held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me.

14 Simeon hath declared, how God first did visit the Gentiles, to take of them a people unto his Name.

15 And to this agree the words of the Prophets, as it is written,

16 After this I will return, and will build again the Tabernacle of David, which is fallen down, and the ruins thereof will I build again, and I will set it up.

17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles upon whom my Name is called, saith the Lord which doeth all these things.

18 From the beginning of the world, God knoweth all his works.

19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them of the Gentiles that are turned to God,

20 But that we send unto them, that they abstain themselves from filthiness of idols, and fornication, and that is strangled, and from blood.

21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, seeing he is read in the Synagogues every Sabbath day.

22 Then it seemed good to the Apostles and Elders with the whole Church to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas: to wit, Judas whose surname was Barsabas, and Silas, which were chief men among the brethren,

23 And wrote letters by them after this manner, THE APOSTLES, and the Elders, and the brethren, Unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch, and in Syria, and in Cilicia, send greeting.

24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us, have troubled you with words, and cumbered your minds, saying, Ye must be circumcised and keep the Law: to whom we gave no such commandment,

25 It seemed therefore good to us, when we were come together with one accord, to [send] chosen men unto you, with our beloved Barnabas and Paul.

26 Men that have given up their lives for the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, which shall also tell you the same things by mouth.

28 For it seemed good to the holy Ghost, and to us, to lay no more burden upon you, than these necessary things.

29 That is, that ye abstain from things offered to idols, and blood, and that that is strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

30 Now when they were departed, they came to Antioch, and after that they had assembled the multitude, they delivered the Epistle,

31 And when they had read it, they rejoiced for the consolation.

32 And Judas and Silas being Prophets, exhorted the brethren with many words, and strengthened them.

33 And after they had tarried there a space, they were let go in peace of the brethren unto the Apostles.

34 Notwithstanding Silas thought good to abide there still.

35 Paul also and Barnabas continued in Antioch, teaching and preaching with many others the word of the Lord.

36 But after certain days, Paul said unto Barnabas, Let us return and visit our brethren in every city, where we have preached the word of the Lord, and see how they do.

37 And Barnabas counseled to take with them John, called Mark.

38 But Paul thought it not meet to take him unto their company, which departed from them from Pamphylia, and went not with them to the work.

39 Then were they so stirred, that they departed asunder one from the other, so that Barnabas took Mark, and sailed unto Cyprus.

40 And Paul chose Silas and departed, being commended of the brethren unto the grace of God.

41 And he went through Syria and Cilicia, establishing the Churches.

Greetings OkCornel

Please see my reply above to EMILOSTAY2. I explain the CONTEXT in which Paul wrote Acts 15.

A sect of Israelite pharisees (who the Bible says kept NOT the law) were going around in their pride commanding gentiles who knew NOTHING of the Hebrew laws, statutes and commandments to go get circumcised IN ORDER TO BE SAVED (Act 15:1).

That's not only unscriptural, it was undoing the hard work of the apostles, hindering the spread of the gospel by causing confusion. Paul's rebuke letter to the Galatia church is just one of many examples.

Acts 15 highlights the council held by the apostles on how to address this growing concern.

Paul here is saying that the gentiles need not circumcision (or any works for that matter) to be saved.
He reiterated they needed only GRACE (Acts 15:11) so no man can boast (Eph 2:9). These pharisees were only interested in boasting.

After the gentiles convert to the faith (through GRACE NOT WORKS), THEY WERE INDEED TAUGHT THE LAW OF MOSES.
You seem to be unaware that abstaining from fornication, food sacrificed to idols, food strangled, etc IS IN THE LAW!
Moreover, I notice in your post how you[b] DID NOT [/b]highlight how the gentiles are to be TAUGHT THE LAW EVERY SABBATH (Acts 15:21).

Just as we're taught the Word every Sunday in modern churches, how else do you think the gentile believers were to grow in their faith?
If the law is done away with, by what standards are we to be judged by?
There was no "New Testament" during the times of the apostles. What documents, standards, statutes and codes of conduct do you think was observed by the early church?

EMILO2STAY:
you need to be care full of what you preach madam. you seem like an intelligent person. Christ should be your focus not this old laws of moses you are preaching.

Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Galatians 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


digest this scriptures and leave that thing your preaching it is not needed in this Christian era.

Greetings EMILO2STAY,

4 months ago, I was in the middle of posting a line-by-line response to your post when I found myself going into labor haha
I now have a 4month old bouncing baby boy, and he's been keeping me quite busy all this while. I wanted to respond now that I have some time.. my lengthy reply has since vanished but I'll try to summarize.

In short, the hypocritical pharisees preached a false works-based salvation gospel to the newly minted gentile church of Galatia.
These are the same pharisees you mentioned in your previous post about Matthew 15.

Remember, Jesus strongly rebuked the pharisees, NOT BECAUSE THEY KEPT THE LAW, BUT THEY IN FACT BROKE IT.
I showed you scriptural proof of how Jesus said the pharisees:

TRANSGRESSED the law (Matt 15:3)
Nullified God's law by their own commandments (Matt 15:6)
Didn't teach God's commandments, but commandments of men (Matt 15:9)

This is the same sect which preached throughout the new churches that in order to be saved, men needed to be circumcised (Acts 15:1).
This is wrong. Salvation comes by grace from Jesus alone (Acts 15:11).
The church Paul established in Galatia which originally understood it took FAITH to receive salvation, reverted to this false doctrine of salvation by WORKS (circumcision).
The entire book of Galatians is Paul's rebuke to the church for receiving the pharisees works-based message for salvation (circumcision), instead of a faith-based one.

THIS DOES NOT MEAN THE GALATIANS WERE TO DO AWAY WITH THE LAW. PAUL NEVER PREACHED THAT, AND HE WOULD REBUKE YOU AND THE MODERN CHURCH FOR MISCHARACTERIZING HIS MESSAGE. HE SIMPLY PREACHED GRACE IS WHAT SAVES YOU, NOT THE LAW.

We don't observe the law to attain salvation. We observe the law BECAUSE of our salvation. Do you understand now?

I would likewise challenge you to be VERY CAREFUL for relegating the MOST HIGH'S LAWS, STATUTES AND COMMANDMENTS to just a "thing". The law existed long before Moses (Gen 26:5), and shall continue well into eternity (Psalm 119:160).

Now where are the scriptures where Christ said we should celebrate his birthday?
And that his birthday is Dec 25?
Or that Sunday is the Sabbath?

TVSA:
Jesus observed the sabbath?

Yes dear.

Every day of his life.

Luke 4:16.

EMILO2STAY:
lol you contradict your self. and yes the sabbath is done away with together with abstinence from unclean food.

Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Romans 14:20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.

Matthew 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

Everything I've quoted was from the Bible. So no, I did not contradict myself. This is simply a matter of understanding what the Bible is saying. All the pieces must fit. Paul EXHORTED the Law, as the Bible proves by his own words and actions. He never opposed the Law, which is what the modern churches are insisting. So let's took a closer look at why there's so much confusion about his writings....

First thing to understand is Paul's audience is VERY DIFFERENT from the audience of the other apostles. Paul was appointed by Yah to be an apostle to the gentile nations in the previous book of Acts. The tone of his letters/writings vastly differ from the apostles whose audience were other Israelites who already had a firm cultural, historical and contextual grasp of the Law..the Law was more than just a religion to the Israelites, this was their culture.

This explains why John said the commandments (Law) are a GOOD thing...they aren't burdensome (1 John 5:3), and this is how we show our love and obedience to Yahshua and the Father (John 14:21). James referred to the Law as "perfect" (Jam 1:25) and "royal" (2:8 ) if one fulfills it as Christ did. The Israelites needed an example of how to properly follow the Law...and Yahshua set that example not only for them, but for ALL of us.

Romans Chapter 14 is Paul's gentle rebuke to the Law-familiar Israelites who were now worshipping in their synagogues side-by-side with NEWLY CONVERTED GENTILE ROMANS INTO THE FAITH. These gentiles didn't just accept Yahshua and that was it...scripture proves they were to be taught the Law every sabbath as they grew INTO THE FAITH (read all of Acts 15, esp v.19-21). These are those who Paul said were "weak in the faith", and the Israelites shouldn't judge them or be a stumbling block as they grow stronger INTO THE FAITH. You can imagine how a Roman eating otherwise clean food but sacrificed to Diana would cause confusion. Or how a Greek vegetarian or former drunkard would be confused on how to properly partake of the meat-and-wine-laden Passover. If I as a Hausa converted INTO THE FAITH, but still esteemed the Durbar Festival of my ancestors, Paul is saying this shouldn't be a point of contention since I'm still "weak in the faith". A stronger gentile would likely eventually forsake any ancestral festivals since they're likely rooted in pagan worship. This is where wisdom comes in for those stronger in the faith (Israelites) to be patient and long-suffering as this poses a huge clash of very different cultures who want serve Yahshua but still esteem their own cultural observances. So no, the Sabbath, which is HOW THE GENTILES WERE GOING TO LEARN THE WAY OF CHRIST IN THE FIRST PLACE (Acts 15:21), isn't the esteemed days spoken of here. Unsanctified food like swine isn't even on the table here. "All" in this chapter doesn't mean "all", is consumption of human, rat or cockroach "clean"? All the food and drink mentioned here are all within what God had already sanctified as CLEAN, Paul is not giving the gentiles license to eat OUTSIDE OF THE FAITH.


Regarding Matthew 15...read from the beginning up to v.20. Yahshua is rebuking stiff-necked pharisees WHO NEVER OBSERVED TORAH. THEY OBSERVED TRADITIONS OF MEN (v. 3, 6, 9). Big difference. If you pay attention, you'll see that Yahshua actually QUOTED THE LAW AND HIGHLIGHTED HOW THE PHARISEES WERE BREAKING IT in those verses.

I was always taught the pharisees were burdensome law keepers. Careful examination of the scriptures show the exact opposite...the passages in v. 3-6 is just one of many throughout the Bible which prove that they never upheld the Law in the first place. They were teaching their own traditions, which were leading the Israelites astray (v.14). This is why Christ was needed to show them (us) HOW to uphold the Law, in truth, love and righteousness, something the pharisees never had.

EMILO2STAY:
you did not answer my question. the bible clearly stated that the law was a shadow of things a better covenant. I really don't even have time to go into all this now. I do not doubt you that those in Israel now are fake jews like I said I agree with almost every thing u said. seems to me that you are a seventh day Adventist.

I'm not a Jehovah Witness nor 7th Day.
These are cults. Their messiah is Charles Taze Russell (freemason), and Ellen G. White (false prophet).

I'm a follower of the Way (Acts 9:2, 22:4, 24:14). Plain and simple.
I try my best to follow the Way of Christ, as shown by the early church, going as far back as the first assembly in wilderness (Acts 7:38).

The Law ALWAYS pointed to Christ. He was literally the walking Torah. This is what he meant when he said he didn't come to abolish the Law, but he FULFILLED it. His thoughts, deeds, actions and words, embodied the Law. If we're to follow him, then we should embody the Law as well.

The death, burial and resurrection of Yahshua, the shed blood of the Lamb is the BETTER COVENANT. He represented a permanent, spiritual and perpetual sacrifice that through him is the remission of our sins...and not the imperfect blood of animals which was only temporary...a shadow of the permanent blood atonement of Christ.

THIS DOES NOT MEAN THE LAW IS DONE AWAY WITH.

This does not mean the Sabbath -- which is a weekly dress rehearsal of the coming Millennial Reign rest is done away with.
This does not mean abstaining from unclean foods which harms our bodies is done away with.
This does not mean the Feast Days, which points to the Death, Burial, Resurrection of Christ (Passover), the indwelling of the Holy Spirit (Pentecost), the Glorious Return of the Lion of Judah (Feast of Trumpets), his Judgement on the nations (Day of Atonement) and Kingship (Feast of Tabernacles) is done away with.

God told us that these are HIS FEASTS...not the feasts of the Jews, gentiles, Israelites, the church, etc...but HIS FEASTS (Lev 23:2).

orisa37:
Good Discuss.
God's Law and Word continue to be the World's Syllabus for our Light, Goodness and Life.
Without it, the World would have collapsed completely with or without Noah.

Thank you brother! I had to create this thread separately as to not detract from an unrelated thread where this original discussion began.
The Law (Torah), the first 5 books of the Bible is basically the Word of God. Everything else is an extrapolation of it, and the stories of the repeated breaking of it by Yah's disobedient chosen who was to be a light to the world by observing this Law! The Law even points to Christ. The 7 Feast Days represent Yah's redemptive plan for ALL MANKIND through the MESSIAH! I'm feeling like King David right now when he wrote Psalm 119...how I love God's Law! Is it a coincidence that Psalm 119, a love letter specifically about God's law, just also happens to be the LONGEST Psalm? I don't think so...

We've been brainwashed to believe the Law is bad, wicked and unjust.

But according to God, the LAW is good, holy and just! (Rom 7:12). The exact opposite!

We've been brainwashed to believe the Law is soooo burdensome.

But according to God, the LAW is NOT burdensome (1 John 5:3). The exact opposite!

We've been brainwashed to believe the Law was imperfect and had to be "done away with".

But according to God, the LAW was not only perfect, but it makes the testimony of Yah trustworthy, revives the soul, making the simple wise (Psa 19:7). The exact opposite!

We've been brainwashed in the church to believe the Law is this horrible, burdensome, imperfect thing which was impossible to keep. However, when I read what God himself says about HIS LAW, the Law is exalted and praised....highly spoken of and well regarded, even well into the New Testament. There is so much confusion about Yah's beautiful Law, which I've found is based mainly in the misunderstanding of Paul's writings (ironically enough, the same man who penned Rom 7:12 above). They never stop to think that this same Paul rushed to Jerusalem from his evangelism to observe the Feast Days, and made animal sacrifice to undergo a Nazarite vow (all part of the LAW).

Blessings to you!

CC: Dencotext and EMILO2STAY

I used to regurgitate these same talking points before. Because that's what I was taught by men. Until I began to read the Bible for myself. Over and over, again and and again. And allowed myself to be taught by the Holy Spirit, who Yah has promised will guide us into ALL TRUTH.

Out of respect for CharlyG and others who visit this thread for DREAM INTERPRETATION, let's kindly move our discourse to the link below. I'll be more than happy to answer all your questions regarding the beauty of God's laws here.


https://www.nairaland.com/5077889/despite-what-weve-been-taught

https://www.nairaland.com/5077889/despite-what-weve-been-taught#76638189

If they have been then...

1. We can have other gods before Him
2. We can worship idols
3. We can blaspheme
4. We can forget the sabbath and not keep it holy
5. We can dishonor our mother and father
6. We can murder
7. We can committ adultery
8. We can steal
9. We can lie
10. We can covet....

What is sin according to God's Word? Sin is the transgression of His LAW (1 John 3:4). This is New Testament. Apparently the Law was still applicable after the death of Christ. Every author of the NT observed the Law (Torah), yes, even Paul who many twist his writings to their own destruction (2 Peter 3:16).

Every author of the NT, even Christ himself observed the Sabbath, abstained from unclean foods and observed the Feast Days.
We in the church have been taught that the sabbath is Sunday, anything we eat is clean, and to worship false gods like Ishtar (easter) and Nimrod (christmas). These are satanic folly days, rooted in Babylon worship. It's time for the deception to end. Yah is honoring those who are waking up in these end times to follow His laws, His statutes and His commandments. They are good and perfect and changeth not. Amen.

cc: Dencotext -- There is PHYSICAL ISRAEL. Then there is SPIRITUAL ISRAEL. If there were not, then you wouldn't see in the scriptures Jew (Israelites) and Gentile. Natural and Wild Branches. Circumcision and Uncircumcision. If PHYSICAL ISRAEL didn't matter, then the 144K wouldn't comprise of the 12 TRIBES OF ISRAEL. Nor would each gate for every righteous believer, Israelite or otherwise, to enter the New Jerusalem comprise of the 12 TRIBES OF ISREAL. Don't go by what you've been taught. Go by what thus sayeth the LORD. Apparently PHYSICAL ISRAEL still matters much to Him and He has not forgotten them. Not now not ever. Read Jeremiah 31. ALL OF IT. Particularly 31:36-37, and all of its precepts. I noticed you used the word "Israelis". There is no such thing as "Israelis". The Bible carries no such word. Abba father gave His chosen the name ISRAELITES which is in the Bible. Based on your reply, you still haven't grasped that the people occupying the Holy Land are gentiles/ "Israelis", NOT ISRAELITES. "Israelis" observe the satanic Talmud, Israelites observe the TORAH (Law) because it was entrusted to them as a nation from the times of Moses as a springboard to spread the gospel of Christ to the world. Big difference. Satan always uses a counterfeit (Israelis) to imitate the real (Israelites).


cc: EMILO2STAY -- Did you read "THE LAW SHALL GO FORTH FROM ZION AND THE WORD OF THE LORD FROM JERUSALEM" (Isa 2:3, Mic 4:2)? Read frontward and backwards for its fuller context. These are God's words, not mine. What does this particular scripture mean to you?

EMILO2STAY:
they descended from Japheth

Exactly.

You've answered your own question.

EMILO2STAY:
the fact the you think God still accept the keeping of Sabbath, non eating of shrimps etc

Oh okay.

This is a very vast subject that deserves its own thread, however, I'll try to be concise in my reply. According to the Bible...what is sin? Sin is the transgression of the LAW (1 John 3:4). If the law was "done away with" after the death, burial and resurrection of Yahshua, this scripture shouldn't even be here. Either Yah has laws we should observe or not. And apparently, every author of the NT, long after the death of Yahshua still referenced and observed the Law. Yes, even Paul. No home, organization, institution, government, or nation can exist without LAWS...talkless of the WORLD. Everyone has laws..but God? The CREATOR of the UNIVERSE Does that make sense

The same people who told you this lie of the LAW, also have you ignorantly partaking in satanic rituals like the worshipping of fertility goddess Ishtar (easter) and Nimrod (christmas). The Bible never commanded us to observe easter/Ishtar, but the PASSOVER, and the other Feast Days in Leviticus. Christmas is nowhere to be found in scripture, but Dec 25, the winter equinox, the coldest, darkest day of the year is the birth of Nimrod aka the first anti-christ.....

The only reason we're not currently keep the laws in their purest form is because there is NO TEMPLE and Yah's true priests to service the temple are still SCATTERED IN THE LANDS OF THEIR CAPTIVITY. The white european gentiles currently trodding down Jerusalem are imposters working feverishly to build the 3rd temple which will house their long-awaited messiah, the anti-christ.

When the true (4th) temple is built during the MILLENNIUM REIGN as explained in the last 8 chapters of Ezekiel, guess what? The LAWS we've been taught were "done away with" will go into full effect. Animal sacrifice and all. "THE LAW SHALL GO FORTH FROM ZION AND THE WORD OF THE LORD FROM JERUSALEM" (Isa 2:3, Mic 4:2). The Bible itself plainly states the Messiah will rule the world from Jerusalem with THE LAW.

The LAWS of Yah are eternal...with no beginning or end. They're observed in heaven as we speak, were taught to Adam and Eve and passed down to the children of men, practiced long before MT. Sinai (Moses), observed for centuries by the early church, and will CONTINUE to be observed during the Millennium Reign. Yah is rewarding those who come to this understanding and are trying their best to observe HIS LAWS as He so commanded.

However Yah winks at our ignorance too. He is full of grace, kindness and mercy... due to centuries upon centuries of wide and vast deception and confusion, He's still blessing His people, whether we have this understanding of keeping His laws, statutes, commandments...or not.

If you like I can start another thread on the BEAUTY of YAH'S LAW. Despite what we've been told by well-intentioned pastors who themselves have been deceived in these useless seminaries, the LAW is NOT hard, burdensome nor grievous.....at least according to the Word of God (1 John 5:3). Most ardent believers keep YAH'S LAW as it is... we're just not operating in the fullness of it (sabbath, clean foods, feast days, etc).

***Forwarded by a brother in Christ***

Important Revelation: Date written: Wednesday, March 6, 2019

The RFID Chip (Mark of the Beast) Technology is Satan’s way of mimicking the “Born Again” aspect of Jesus Christ’s ministry:

Bear in mind that satan is a counterfeit who mimics The Lord our God all throughout scriptures. One of satan’s end time goal is to rule & reign on earth in the bodily form of a man (Anti-Christ/Son of perdition). Therefore; this man will be the image of the invisible satan reigning on earth for 42 months as written in Revelation chpt:13.

Remember the Lord Almighty came in the form of a man who we know as His Son: Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Therefore; Jesus Christ is the image of the invisible God, as written:

“He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation”---Colossians1vs:15.

Due to the fall of mankind in the beginning we all took on the fallen image of Adam & Eve through conception. Therefore; in order for us to be reconciled back to the Father we must accept His Son: Jesus Christ & be conformed to His image & likeness by receiving His Holy-Spirit. As it is written:

“And as we have borne the image of the man of dust (Adam), we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man (Jesus Christ)”---1stCorinthians15vs:49 (Plz read in context). When people are truly born again by the Holy-Spirit, their image & behavior changes from worldly to heavenly.

Now according to Revelation chpt:13 the anti-christ/1st beast/son of perdition will receive a deadly wound which will be healed. After his resurrection; the 2ndbeast/false prophet will say to the people who dwell on the earth:

“Make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword & lived”---Revelation:13vs:14

So first the death & resurrection of Jesus Christ will be mimicked, then the anti-christ will mimic the true born-again supernatural process, by requiring mankind to take on his image in order to function in his kingdom. Now because satan is a counterfeit, he cannot supernaturally breathe his spirit into people in order to make them fully born again/converted to his image as Christ did. Hence he will use advanced; computerized; demonic technology to attain this (RFID Chip/Mark of the beast).

This RFID chip is voluntary at the moment, as quite a few companies & people across the globe including the USA have already endorsed & accepted the use of this technology instead of credit cards/cash etc. The truth is; people who have already taken this chip/mark in their right hand or whichever part of their bodies; satan has already breathed his spirit fully into them; however; they might not realize, because the full demonic power will not be activated within them as yet until the anti-christ is risen & majority are deceived into accepting this chip/mark.

Remember after Jesus Christ was risen, He breathed the Holy-Spirit on his disciples & also instructed them to wait for the full power to be activated from this said Spirit. As it is written:

“He breathed on them, & said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit”---John20vs:22

“But you shall receive power when the Holy-Spirit has come upon you”---Acts1vs:8

Now let’s carefully examine Revelation13vs:15 by the Holy-Spirit (Spirit of Truth) line by line: “He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak & cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed”

The “He” above refers to the 2nd beast who satan has granted forbidden knowledge & technology to create this image (RFID chip) as small as a rice grain which has attached to it, the breath/spirit of satan himself. Persons who accept this RFID chip in their bodies will be conformed spiritually to the image of the beast & hence will speak as the anti-christ speaks. These people will walk around proclaiming to family members & friends how they have gotten the chip & how it’s safe; convenient etc & etc, basically preaching to others to get it (#Deceived).

As it relates to the last line; those who refuse to worship the image of the beast will be killed. Note that we worship by obeying; by complying with; by agreeing with; by participating in; or by accepting the practices & lifestyle of any system/regime. Remember the 3 Hebrew boys of old when Nebuchadnezzar set up his golden image. There is nothing new under the sun; the difference with this image (RFID chip) is that knowledge has increased; technology has advanced & demons have become more deceptive in these last days. They no longer need a large statue or image for anyone to bow down to. The image is now the size of a rice grain; will be inserted into the body & will eventually corrupt the minds; souls & hearts of men, transforming them into the image of satan thus separating them eternally from the Lord God Almighty.

Now let’s move to Revelation13vs:16: “He causes all, both small & great, rich & poor, free & slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or their foreheads”

There is coming a time quickly when this RFID chip/mark will become mandatory. It doesn’t matter who you may be or whatever condition (disable or able), behind bars or free; this mark will be forced upon the entire world. The mark takes effect after a person accepts the RFID chip; it’s like a stamp/seal or a badge of servitude in the Spirit saying that this person is now fully owned & controlled by satan. This mark of the beast is a mimic of the seal we receive from God after accepting the Holy-Spirit supernaturally in our hearts through His Son: Jesus Christ of Nazareth. As it is written:

“And do not grieve the Holy-Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption”---Ephesians4vs:30

While a person can live without hands; no man can live without a head; that’s why it will be placed either in people’s right hands or foreheads. Now with the precious Holy-Spirit comes free will; as in anyone who has the Holy-Spirit can choose freely from their heart to walk off the narrow path through Christ which leads to eternal life. This ungodly mark/seal however; will not only come violently but also by force since no one will be able to buy or sell without it as written in Revelation13vs:17. Out of fear & hunger people will literally give up their citizenship in heaven, leaving no place for repentance as Esau who sold his birthright for one morsel of food. As it is written:

“For you know that afterward, when he wanted to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no place for repentance, though he sought it diligently with tears”---Hebrews12vs:17

Am led by the Holy-Spirit to ask a critical question to everyone who may read this revelation:

“Will you accept the RFID chip/mark in your body to be conformed to the image of the beast which leads to eternal death/hell?? OR Will you ask for, accept & follow the Holy-Spirit from the living God which supernaturally conforms you into the image of His only begotten Son: Jesus Christ of Nazareth through whom everlasting life is given??

Peace be to you all as I close with this final scripture:

“For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be CONFORMED to the IMAGE of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren”---Romans:8vs:29 �❤�

EMILO2STAY:
what do you mean there is no such thing as Ashkenazi Jew.

Did you read Genesis 10:3-5?

What lineage or son of Noah does ASHKENAZ COME FROM?

Then what lineage or son of Noah do the ISRAELITES COME FROM?

Do let us know your findings...

EMILO2STAY:
i have been following your post, you got so many things right but at the end you spoilt every when you said. ""TRUE HEBREWS who is spared the hour of temptation.
Why are they spared? Because unlike the other churches, they have kept the Word of God's patience (3:10).
The Word of his patience involves keeping the Sabbath, keeping his Feast Days, and abstaining from unclean foods (shrimps, pork, etc). """ am disappointed.

Sorry you're disappointed lol. What is it that you don't agree with?
If possible, please use SCRIPTURE to address your opposing view.

Dencotext:
Hello Providence,

Please do not be confused. Yes I asked you these because some Christians said they can take the 666 RFID chip or the mark and still worship Jesus, it does not matter, others said no because God forbids it.

It alarmed me when Christians approve taking the 666 chip or mark, for example the Mormons approve it. Because of this reason I asked you because bible says everyone whose name is not written in the Lamb's book of Life will accept the 666 mark. So I naturally surmized that doctrinal differences in Christianity will not matter during the tribulation because you cannot say NO to the Beast or his 666 Mark unless your name is written in the Lamb's book of Life. John 1:8 says "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name..." that is what would count for the overcomers duing the tribulation!

Your reply is touching when you said you live in the belly of the Beast. God will help you because you love Jesus!

Mormons are a cult. It's funny because I spoke against the Mormon church many many posts ago. They are the white-garment church of America, nobody here takes them seriously. So anything "they" say is irrelevant as far as any serious Christian is concerned

In so far as the mark, I don't go by what any man, pastor, religious group, etc says. I go by what the WORD says. If the WORD says don't take it then....don't take it. Finish.

And thank you, I know many Nigerians are jumping ship to come to America, Europe, Australia, etc. But these are the very places the mark will be administered FIRST -- in fact its already here. Judgement on these lands is glaringly obvious, impending and inevitable....I'm bracing myself. We'll only be fleeing back to Africa eventually, b/c Africa comprises a large part of the wilderness. In His time, the Most High will draw out His people from the 4 corners of the earth in the Greater Exodus to world's last place of refuge... AFRICA. Thank you for your exhortation, as I pray for you too in Italy. I consistently pray for my ALL my beautiful brothers and sisters in AFRICA and scattered throughout the diaspora. Yahuah Elohim has a great purpose for us. We're not cursed..we're hated/envied by the world because we're BLESSED BY THE MOST HIGH. Yah doesn't place a "cursed" people on the most blessed land on the planet. His Mighty Hand has always been on AFRICA, the Land of His Creation... it never left. This is why satan has worked so hard to destroy it, but it won't work especially in these last days. My brothers and sisters, be encouraged, keep fervent prayer to KEEP OUT WORLD POWERS AND UPROOT THE WICKED LEADERS IN COVENANT WITH THEM, that Yah's powerful destiny for AFRICA be fulfilled in these end times. Amen.

Dencotext:
Hello Providence,
I concur with you. However it seemed you are missing the gravity of the tribulation. It is wiser you do not condemn others. The tribulation heralds the end of civilization as we know it now. God would take over! We had Jesus all along, what have we been doing with Him? I do not know what we have been doing with Him, all that counts now Is what we do with the Beast that would destroy and hunt down everybody that do not worship him or receive his mark 666. This is NEMESIS. Strange things would soon happen, and we want to contructively prepare for them.

It is therefore with concern that I would ask you this question... Where do you stand on the Mark of the Beast 666? But my question actually is, if the 666 RFID microchip implant becomes mandatory allover the world would you accept it, personally, nonewithstanding your doctrine about the Mark of the Beast 666 in Revelation? Yes or No and why?

Greetings Bro Dencotext,

I'm a bit confused, I hope none of my posts condemned anyone, if so it's definitely not my intent.
In regards to my post you quoted, I was simply addressing Bro Aceed to watch out for mega pastors, as he's admitted reading some of their books.
They're virtually all priming their congregants to take the mark in one form or the other...many have already aligned themselves with the One World Religion via the pope. Namely Kenneth Copeland and Joel Olsteen. I live in California. Over here, Joel Olsteen is a known high-level warlock who ordains other false teachers...and Copeland is a greedy money grubber.

I don't know why you would ask me "if" I would take the mark, if you have read ANY of my posts..I almost always warn against the NWO and the mark needed to navigate through it. I live in the belly of the beast and everyone from entertainers like Kid Buu and regular employees are already taking the RFID chip all across America. Again, I have no idea why you would even question me on something so obviously eternally damning. Even in my last post, I've been consistent with such warnings:

- Churches that preach OSAS, the congregants will take the mark and still think they're still "saved". Many preachers in the USA are preaching this.
- Churches that preach prosperity, the congregants will feel God will "understand" them taking the mark so they can keep their jobs/livelihood/income, and continue to "prosper" as God would desire them to.
- Churches that preach tolerance to sin, the congregants are too lukewarm, double-minded, and dull of spirit to know or even care of the eternal consequences of taking the mark in the first place.
- Churches that preach re-tribulation rapture, the congregants will be highly disappointed when they realize the Messiah hasn't come back while the world goes to hell around them, and take the mark out of desperation, fear and even anger. The Bible warns only a select few believers will still hold out hope for Yahshua upon his return...(Luke 18:8 ). I personally believe this is because much of the church was told about a pre-tribulation rapture when the chronological events of the 7 Seals, 7 Trumps and 7 Bowls of Wrath in Revelation, DO NOT SUPPORT PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE.

Again, my posts are not meant to condemn, just warn. Anyone here is welcome to disagree, which is fine too. I don't get into arguments.

Dencotext:
Hi guys,

Oh my God I cried when I watch this documentary of how the tomb of Jesus Christ was opened recently and his dried blood examined under the microscope. Oh my God, nothing prepared me for what they discovered... oh my Lord God! oh.... I am still crying...Its hard to recover from this shock...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi2eFjnPQqY

I won't argue about the Beast System -- too much to go into here. The Beast of the Sea, the Beast of the Earth, and the Worldwide Beast System are 3 different things, but overall I agree with you.

I would advise you not to believe EVERYTHING that's on youtube. The shroud of Turin is a KNOWN FAKE...too many reasons to list here. But I'll ask you this...right from the beginning of the video, did you see where it tells the viewers that the Shroud, and the supposed blood from the holy grail are all properties of the VATICAN and KNIGHTS OF TEMPLARS, a masonic order?

Right there you should have discounted everything else said in the video. Why are you shocked and crying from information "discovered" by the VATICAN and FREEMASONS? The very architects of the BEAST SYSTEM you've spent weeks warning us about?

Aceed:
JESU!!! and I am reading their books

I don't know why, but your comment made me chuckle a bit
But this is no laughing matter. Do your own research on these wolves in sheep clothing. Start separating yourself from Mega churches and Mega pastors.

This MOST DEFINITELY includes Winners Chapel, Christ Embassy, Redeemed etc. I tell you the truth: virtually ALL Mega churches not just in naija but abroad, are courting their members to ultimately take the mark of the beast. Holiness churches like Deeper Life and MFM...not so much. At least not yet.....

Stay away from churches that preach prosperity gospel, once-saved-always saved, tolerance and acceptance of sin, and yes, pre-tribulation rapture.
And stay away from reading any book MORE than GOD'S BOOK, THE HOLY BIBLE.
Every other book is just pen on paper. The Holy Bible it is SPIRIT and it is LIFE. Eat it. Devour it. Pour over it, memorize it, and meditate on it day and night. Rely more on the Holy Spirit will be your guide, interpreter and teacher on the Word. Not some author. Not saying ALL Christian books are snares (ie Prayer Rain is a good example), but believe me, MOST are.

Greetings Bro Dencotext,

I saw the first video last week. As much as what the subtitles are saying is true, the video itself is FALSE.
Anyone who knows even a little French, Spanish or Portuguese (which are Romance languages just like Italian) knows the subtitles are "off" from the spoken Italian. Bros, you live in Italy...I thought you were familiar with enough Italian to know the translation is a fake?

Apparently this video is a spoof done by a Seventh Day Adventist who inserted their subtitles into an OLD video of the pope (circa 2014) calling to unify the Pentecostal church BACK into the "mother church". I've inserted the original video below in its PROPER CONTEXT, start at around 19:05. He's been doing this for several years, and false pentecostal teachers like Kenneth Copeland, Joel Osteen, Rick Warren, James Robison, etc are openly assisting him on bringing the ONE WORLD RELIGION. I ain't no SDA, but they are right about pretty much everything stated in the subtitles, especially the Sabbath. Sunday is the 'mark' of the Roman Catholic Church/mystery Babylon, NOT GOD. Yahshua, his disciples NOR the early church EVER BROKE THE SABBATH. That was changed by the Roman Catholic Church by Constantine circa 325 AD. Remember, this is the WH*RE (fake church) who thinks to change (God's) TIMES and (God's) LAWS (Dan 7:25).


That said, the 2nd video is very true, and everything else about the pope. The Most High revealed this to me years ago, that VATICAN CITY is the "little horn" (country/power/authority) described in the book of Daniel, the Beast of the Earth (pope) in Rev 13, and the "city", Mystery Babylon described in Revelation 18.

The Old Testament kingdoms of Israel always ruled with a King and a Priest.
Yochanan the Baptist was the Priest who announced the King, Yahshua.
Rev 13 shows us a false king (antichrist) who will be baptized/ordained by the false prophet (pope). Satan mimics everything of God.
Careful study of that chapter shows that it is the VATICAN -- NOT THE ANTICHRIST -- who will be leading the persecution of the saints.
This is nothing new. This happened in the past (read Foxe's Book of Martyrs). It will happen again during the Great Tribulation. Nothing new under the sun.


As we type, the pope is making historical peace treaties with Muslim clerics in his satanic mandate to unite all faiths to create the ONE WORLD RELIGION. So even though the first video is doctored, this doesn't change the fact that the words in the subtitles ARE TRUE.
Keep an eye on the Vatican/pope. And be more wary of any pastor, famous or otherwise, who enters into agreement with him.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsF2q-8ez08

MrPresident1:
Where are all the Israelites?

Being steadfast in the Word of Yahuah, and keeping our ears and eyes open to the voice of the Most High, and heed His instructions on when to flee Babylon to the wilderness.

No worries, we're here!

gracefilled:
These revelations are troubling and scary! How does one maintain calmness reading and knowing that these MUST and will SOON take place? Maybe I should even stop hoping to get married, stop praying for life partner.

Shalom sis (((hug)))

Sorry, I didn't realize just how much my posts are full of gloom and doom. But one thing the Most High revealed to me is you MUST live your life according to Faith and not Fear. He promised to spare us of the things to come "if" we obey Him with everything we've got NOW (Luke 21:36). God will seal up His servants that have the Fire of the Holy Spirit to usher in the end-time harvest of souls (Rev 7), and He'll also keep a remnant of His people in the wilderness (Rev 12). Keep praying for your life partner and God will send him to you. But meanwhile also keep praying that you and your household are found worthy to escape the things that will befall the world. Pray Psalm 91 over you and your household daily. Don't give up hope, I can testify from personal experience that He will grant you your heart's desire if you persevere and remain steadfast in Him and His Word, and He'll reward you, even in these times.

Blessings,

Providence