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1. The RC catechism regarding salvation and purgatory: Catechism 1030

All who die in God‟s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven.

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment

Luke 23:43 And Jesus said to him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.” 

(No purgatory needed.)

2. The roman catholic catechism on Mary being sinless: Catechism 411

preserved free from all stain of original sin" (966)
. . . was redeemed from the moment of her conception. Preserved immune from all stain of original sin. (491)
. . .enriched from the first instant of her conception. (492)
. . .free from any stain of sin, as though fashioned by the Holy Spirit and formed as a new creature. (493)
.... exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things (969)
She was preserved from all stain of original sin [/b]and by a special grace of God [b]committed no sin of any kind during her whole earthly live.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Luke 1:46-47 Then Mary said: “My soul magnifies the Lord, and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior!"

3) The roman catholic catechism says this about Mary helping in salvation:

Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation, therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix." (969)

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name (speaking of Jesus, see v. 10) under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. 

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

4) Roman Catholics believe Muslims are saved going to heaven: Catechism 841

The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

John 14:6 I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

5. Roman Catholics don't believe the Word of God is Sufficient

This catechism aims at presenting an organic synthesis of the essential and fundamental contents of Catholic doctrine, as regards both faith and morals, in the light of the Second Vatican Council and the whole of the Church‟s Tradition. Its principal sources are the Sacred Scriptures, the Fathers of the Church, the liturgy, and the Church’s Magisterium. (11)

[i]Sacred Scripture is written principally in the Church‟s heart rather than in documents and records. (113)
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2 Tim 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

2 Tim 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Matthew 4:4 It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God

My relationship with my best friend ended a few years ago. She was a staunch Catholic. Our breakup was inevitable -- I saw it coming. There was no way my growing zeal in Yahshua (Jesus) would permit us to continue our friendship.

She did NOT know (nor read) the Bible. Therefore she didn't understand the prophetic times we're in. That's when our paths began to diverge...regarding PROPHECY. Neither did she understand my prophetic dreams, esp of the end times. Rather she would laugh and scoff at them. She complained all day of certain problems affecting our people, nation, country, continent, world, etc. But she didn't understand prophecy, nor discern the signs of the times.

She barely knew the catechisms (which contradict the Bible). This is when I began to understand the Catholic doctrine is mandated by catechisms, NOT the Bible. When I asked her about them she would get very defensive. Needless to say, it didn't take long for things to get awkward, and now we don't talk.

When I asked God about her, He told me "A SEPARATION IS TAKING PLACE". This was back in 2016.

I don't bash or hate Catholics. My former friend loves God. At least who she thinks is God. All I'm going to do is simply hold up their mandate...the catechisms. I'll let it speak for itself. Its up to the believer if they choose to follow the CATECHISM? or the HOLY SCRIPTURES....

oluwaahmed:
Even as a catholic I found it hard saying "Mary mother of God". I feel that is the height of blasphemy. Saying Mary is the mother of God is saying God is below a woman or was created by a woman! So many shady things in Catholic

Exactly...

Keep going...you're getting there...

wickedtuna:
You haven't made any point really. Every architectural structure serves a purpose, either functional or aesthetic and in most cases serves both. What then is the purpose of the building and its interior resemblance to that of a snake? And at base where the pope seat is a copper sculpture of Christ supposedly rising from a nuclear apocalypse with half his head like that of a snake. You can choose what you believe but the truth will always be visible for us to reason.

Are you sure that pic isn't photoshopped? Of so-called christ coming out of a GOAT HEAD? If so, waoh!

That's clearly the antichrist coming out of baphomet, the goat representation of satan.

In front of the pope, no less. Go figure...

wickedtuna:
I'm not condemning catholics as i was born into one but it is quite obvious that the devil has for long infiltrated that doctrine and so many others.

Correct, brother. Except, I would add that the devil didn't "infiltrate" the Catholic Church, rather he ESTABLISHED it. The RCC is simply a continuation from mystery Babylon from the days of Nimrod in Sumer. Nimrod was the first nwo antichrist.

CharlyG1:
Wow..so much information up there. Thanks for sharing..
Yes the worldwide death prophecy could be the Corona virus.

But this virus could also be just one piece of the puzzle. It could be war also. Whatever it is, may God protect His own in Jesus Name.. Amen

Greetings Bro Charles, yes God will protect his own during these evil times. The saints must draw nigh to the Most High NOW. So close you can her His voice. He will direct us on what to do. We must try to make our garments as white as possible while we still have time, like the church of Philadelphia in Revelation 3:10...thus we'll be spared the hour of temptation that will befall the whole world. I pray constantly to be found worthy of this church, and lead others to it. Your other post on false prophets in the church is very timely. Such churches will go into the tribulation b/c their garments aren't without spot, blemish or wrinkle. They will be tried by fire and garments made white during such times. May God be with all His saints, amen.

Aceed:
Do you have any links

Google "Georgia Guidestones". It's the illuminati 10 commandments. The first one of which states to depopulate the earth to only 500million.

Bill Gates is a known eugenicist, his parents having ties to Nazi Germany. They were affiliated with IBM, which produced punch cards that identified, tracked, and maintained records of millions of Jews across Europe, logged their logistical movements to concentration camps and documented their extermination.

https://www.waronwethepeople.com/gates-vaccine-plot/

https://www.mic.com/articles/142991/edwin-black-ibm-nazi-holocaust-history

Gates, a multi-billionaire, left Microsoft to push vaccines unto 3rd world nations. This might seem good until you understand 2 basic tenants of how the kingdom of darkness works:

They must first TELL you of their plan in advance, in some form or the other. This is called "disclosure" or "predictive programming".
They start a problem--- study your reaction --- then provide the solution to the very problem they caused, to achieve their ultimate goal.

Bill gates has been on the world stage, WARNING for years to prepare for a global pandemic (disclosure/predictive programming).
He offers vaccines as the answer to curb its spread (solution).

I have no links but I'm positive this corona virus isn't a naturally occurring virus, but a bioengineered one, released to study its spread and effect on the world population, just like Avian flu, Pig flu, SARS, MERS, Zika, AIDS and Ebola before it. Fear, paranoia and panic by the public, promulgated by news channels and social media platforms is also carefully monitored. Those exposing the truth of the works of darkness will be branded "fake news", "disinformation" or "misinformation" and ultimately censored. This will also justify the elites' implementation of a media blackout. Just google "Event 201" and you'll see they've planned everything out.

All these outbreaks are really experiments the elites are running against such scenarios. They're currently tweaking a killer plague more swift and deadly enough, so people will beg for the antidote (vaccine). Imagine Ebola x 100 ...what better way to depopulate (quickly) on one hand, while vaccinating the remaining population who will be all too glad to betray friends, neighbors and family members to the government for REFUSING to get vaccinated, thus jeopardizing everyone else's health.

Sound familiar?

Based on the below video, a world pandemic will be used as a pretext to implement the mark of the beast. This will be the global identification tracking device on block chain which will contain all personal data, biometrics, currency AND immunization records. Cities will be on lockdown, civil unrest will ensue due to dwindling food and medicine stores, martial law declared, and entire populations will be quarantined and vaccinated (micro-chipped) under the guise of ‘national security’. Paper money will be eliminated to prevent further spread of disease, thus use of crypto currencies. Of course per Rev 6, war, economic collapse and famine are all precursors to this as well. But I find the vaccine angle very plausible.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI8s7ETEyyU

ZaRuleOfLaw:
wow! this points to the Corona virus. maybe they invented it for population control

Definitely. The rulers of this world are working closely with luciferians in secret government labs to create diseases for this specific purpose. Population control. The Georgia Guidestones said this. That wicked Bill Gates said this. Make no mistake about it: WHO, CDC,UNICEF, etc are all behind this. They will push vaccines with ungodly ingredients ie aborted fetal cells, neurotoxins, bovine, rabbit, monkey, chicken etc dna in order to achieve this.

Google Project Coast. These 'benevolent' european doctors in Africa are now openly admitting that AIDS and Ebola were inventions to cull the African population. Notice how Ebola returns every few years...because they're tweaking it to achieve a 100% fatality rate WITHOUT their vaccines. Also, they have race-specific bioweapons they're testing to affect certain demographics and not others. This is especially true in places like America where many different races live together.

This Corona virus is an experiment by the 'elites' to see how they can control world-wide populations via tracking, testing, quarantines, lockdowns, and forced vaccines. However, the real pandemic hasn't happened yet. Pay attention to movies like I AM LEGEND with Will Smith or Resident Evil, 28 days later, and Planet of the Apes. They must TELL you their plans before it happens -- and Hollywood is their medium to do that. Eugenistis like Bill Gates desire a worldwide pandemic that would wipe out a large amount of the world's population. Deadly plagues is just ONE avenue the elites are deploying as a scare tactic for rfid chip implementation which will contain personal vaccination records (among other things).

Olominira:
This satanic agenda is still much in place today. They've included reduction of African population in the agenda. Today, Nigeria and Africa countries should try as much as possible stop the USAid bullshit, from 2016 many of these drugs included in their aid which are imported from the US have anti reproductive substances in African women.

I wonder why they are calling on population reduction and doing nothing in providing jobs and opportunities, at the same time criticizing China that is helping African countries bride the infrastructure deficit. My biggest pain is how they've brainwashed our young people by making them believe China is bad, while West is the Saint.

The UK government today through their home affairs is doing everything to get $9bn from Nigeria, a developing country for that matter. In fact, from a source, they're working on making above. How many western companies have been fined to that amount? I hope young Africans can see through this wickedness and stand up and be determined.

First, I wholeheartedly agree with you on aid. African countries should not expect to be independent as long as they're received handouts.
Africa should stop operating as the tail of the world, when we all know we have the "head" anointing. Such a shame.

Second, we can thank our leaders for selling out the continent. When you have rulers like Paul Kagame, the head of the AU welcoming a devil like Bill Gates as the keynote speaker for the last AU conference, then we need to take a second look at how politics is really spiritual warfare. Kagame opened the flood gates allowing sterilizing agents in vaccines, genetically modified foods (GMOs), etc into Africa. I haven't even touched on the push of the gay agenda, biological warfare like AIDS and Ebola, and sudden technological advancements like Facebook's "free internet initiative" which is just a ploy to plug every man, woman and child in the most remote parts of Africa on the anti-christ beast system technological grid in order to track them.

Last China is bad. Real bad. The west too. They're all bad. China is a part of the illuminati agenda to control Africa. Don't believe for one second if "the West" didn't want China in Africa, they wouldn't be there. The Chinese are there only because the west wants them to build the infrastructure which will lay the groundwork for the blockchain. The blockchain is the cashless electronic grid by which mark of the beast will eventually be issued. You clearly haven't been paying attention to China....with their billions of surveillance cameras, social credit score system, and "re-education camps" of its ethnic and other minority populations, they are a prototype of what a NWO country will look like.

These people are NOT our friends. AFRICA HAS NO FRIENDS. Because Africa is the valley of the dry bones. We'll rise up and go back to our former glory, which was the Garden of Eden. But only when we need to stop taking on the ways of nations which despise us (heathens) and go back to following the laws, statutes and commandments of OUR CREATOR. Yahuah Elohim, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, is His name.

EMILO2STAY:
who lied the bible?. As the unclean foods, that is your choice but do not judge any one who eats any of the above mentioned.

I do not subscribe to christ bday as I know that has a pagan root.
Concerning the biblical sabbath, the bible says the sabbath was made for man and not man for the sabbath. in other words you have the control of the sabbath you can choose any day of the week as your sabbath this is one of the reasons why the bible says christ has set us free from the bondage of the law.

I don't judge any Believer who doesn't follow the law.
God was blessing me before He revealed to me that HIS Law was never "done away with".
I see Him blessing countless others as well.


Remember how this whole conversation got started in the other thread.
All I'm saying is God is going to start waking up His remnant church in these end times.
The church that will escape the tribulation, and enter the wilderness (sorry, no pre-tribulation rapture here, folks).
This is the church that most resembles the early church.

Was this church observing easter? christmas? Holding Sunday as the Sabbath? Eating unclean meats?
Or were they listening to the teachings of Paul, who taught them the LAW day and night? (Acts 28:23)
And holding a holy convocation on the SABBATH learning the LAW OF MOSES? (Acts 15:21)

The law is not "bondage". How can it be "bondage", yet called delightsome, not grievous nor burdensome at the same time?

For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are NOT BURDENSOME (1 John 5:3)

Either the Bible is a lie, or you don't know how to rightly divide....

the fact that Paul kept the feast days was not a command for Christians to do so. I believe this was just a one off act to pacify the jews same thing with acts 21:24. Notice that they had to encourage him to do it so as to pacify the jews who were accusing him of preaching against the law of moses. Again this was a one off act.

the Bible said Paul performed the Nazarite Vow to pacify the Israelites.
He didn't keep the Mosaic Law to pacify the Israelites.

He was zealous of the Law and doing that already.

Paul in all his letters never admonished Christians to do as he did.

Um...yes, he did. He told the Christians to initiate him several times. (1 Cor 11:1, 4:16), (Phil 3:17), (1 Thess 1:6)

You want to purify your self like Paul? Then you have to go to the temple in jerusalem to do so, you want to observe the day of penticost like Paul?, Or observe the feast days?, then you have to go to the temple in jerusalem to do so otherwise your wasting your time.

Or, I could just follow God's simple command of observing the feast days just as He commanded at Mt. Sinai. Was there a temple in the wilderness? How long did they observe the feast days before Jerusalem was even established? The Israelites were in the wilderness for 40yrs, with no temple or city, but still managed to please God enough by doing just as he said. Furthermore the Sabbath was known and observed by them long before Moses. So your point is not valid.

But there aint no temple in jerusalem today why?, because God destroyed it. Why?, because he doesn't want the old system of worship. Why?, because we can now attain the throne of grace through christ who died for us.

[/quote]First, you're confusing tearing the veil with destruction of the temple. 2 different events.
God destroyed the temple via the Romans, due to the Israelites' disobedience.
What you're referring to is God tearing the veil because we're no longer under the Levitical, but Melchizedek priesthood.
This happened 30 years BEFORE Paul.

By your logic, Paul should have abandoned the "old system of worship".
However, he and every apostle, disciple and believer were still observing the Law, 30 YEARS AFTER THE TEARING OF THE VEIL.

So should I believe you? Or believe Paul?

EMILO2STAY:
lol madam I think you are the one lying here col2:16 is quit explicit and clear for any one yo understand verses 17 says its a shadow of things to come, You are the person trying to twist it.

You make absolutely NO sense.

This same Paul who taught the gentiles THE LAW day and night.... (Acts 28:23)
And instructed them to learn THE LAW of Moses in the synagogues on the Sabbath.... (Acts 15:21)
And encouraged them to imitate him, thus keeping THE LAW, as he himself imitated Yahshuah....(1Cor 1:11)

would not now turn around and DISCOURAGE the gentiles from keeping THE LAW in Col 2:16.

First, it would contradict the strong and consistent pattern of Paul exhorting the gentiles TO KEEP THE LAW
He never once DISCOURAGED them from doing so.
So either Col 2:16 GOES COMPLETELY AGAINST Paul's habit of exhorting THE LAW to the gentiles, or you don't understand the writings of Paul.

Second, the Colossians gentiles can NOT be dissuaded from feasts they never kept, nor familiar with in the first place.
Doesn't make sense, now does it?

EMILO2STAY:
pls madam where does the bible say we should observe the law because of our salvation. The sabbath has been done away with. Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days.

I'll continue to repeat myself:

I observe the Law because all the righteous people of the Bible did. Even the gentiles did so...once they came under God's covenant. Despite what we've been taught, God's covenant NEVER changed...
I don't know how many times I've told you...THE EARLY CHURCH OBSERVED THE LAW. LOOK THIS UP.

About the sabbath..if it was "done away with", WHY were the gentiles joining the Hebrews in the synagogues on the sabbath? (Acts 15:21)?
WHY is it still acknowledged even during the end-times tribulation? (Matt 24:20)?
WHY is Yahshuah saying we will observe it in the millennial reign? (Isaiah 66:23)?

EMILO2STAY:
were is the instruction from the bible for Christians to observe this feast days? Spiritual or not whether they be Gods feast days or not. Why are you doing them and were is the command for Christians to do that.

(sigh)

You're asking me questions I've long answered.
I observe the feasts because they're GOD'S APPOINTED TIMES.
These are His Holy Convocations, a holy assembly with His children.
This did NOT CHANGE with the New Testament. Just ask Yahshuah.

If you don't want to observe God's appointed times, that's your decision.
There are those of us who choose to do it because we demonstrate our love of God by keeping His commandments. (John 14:15)
It's really just that simple.

OkCornel:
So for almost 2,000 years, the old covenant is still "ready" vanish away, and the new covenant is yet to be fulfilled?

Interesting...

OKCornel,

For almost 2,000 years Jesus was ready to return.

Revelation 3:11
"I am coming soon. Hold fast to what you have, so that no one will take your crown."

Revelation 22:7
"Behold, I am coming quickly. Blessed is the one who keeps the words of prophecy in this book."


If you understood what the New Covenant was, you'd know it hasn't completely been fulfilled YET.
Don't take my word (or anyone else's) for it. Just read what the Bible says about it.


A New Covenant (Jeremiah 31:31-34)

[i]Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.[/I]"

ETA: oops, I added book, chapter, verse above. The author of Hebrews quoted from this in Hebrews Chapters 8 and 10. G'nite!

OkCornel:
@Providence388

If you're lumping up everything together as the "Law of God"... read up Hebrews 10 v 11-12;

11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Then tell us what Law has been changed, because I believe that verse 12 is also making reference to God's Law which a necessity brought up the need to change from.


Also read Hebrews 8 v 13;
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

If you read the entire chapter of Hebrews Chapter 7, you'd find that its speaking of the PRIESTHOOD.
The only change that was made in the law, was the change from tithing, offering and sacrifices offered by the Levitical priesthood to a priesthood which is ENDLESS (v. 16), UNCHANGEABLE (v. 24), HOLY, HARMLESS, UNDEFILED, SEPARATE FROM SINNERS, AND HIGHER THAN THE HEAVENS (v. 26).

Hebrews Chapter 8 is referring to God finding fault with "them" (them = Israelites), and making a New Covenant with the House of Israel and the House of Judah. God is very specific here, this is not the church, but His own people. The covenant wasn't made with the "church" it was made to the Israelites. Gentiles will be grafted in the Covenant, of course, but this is God's protocol (Israelite first, then the gentile).

A time will come when the New Covenant is fully established. When that happens, the Law shall go forth out of Zion and every man will have the law written in their hearts. We will embody or fulfill the law, just as Christ did, without people like "me" teaching you all that the law was never "done away with". You'll all walk in it without any teaching or preaching or Bible study amongst each other. There won't be any preachers or pastors or 5-fold ministry in the Millennial Reign. Notice the Old Covenant is "ready" to vanish away, it hasn't completely disappeard yet, nor has the New Covenant been completely fulfilled yet. The day we stop having "church" is when the Old Covenant completely vanishes away. Until then, we still got these laws.

But be of good cheer, the law ain't a bad thing, remember?
Don't let these pastors deceive you, are you gonna believe them or God? (1 John 5:3)

OkCornel:
So you missed the tail end of the video where it mentioned;
Romans 13 v 8;
Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

Oh really? So James was referring to the royal law when he wrote this?

James 2 v 10-11
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

Read it well, the above is the Mosaic Law.

See what James clearly explained the royal law is about;
James 2 v 8;
If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

See why you have to put things in perspective? My preceding post shows the error in lumping up everything together and calling them THE LAW...

I didn't miss a beat. I knew exactly where you were going. I've seen these arguments before.
What is the Biblical definition of love?

John 14:15
If you LOVE Me, you will keep My commandments.

John 14:21
Whoever has My commandments and keeps them is the one who LOVES Me. The one who LOVES Me will be LOVED by My Father, and I will LOVE him and reveal Myself to him."

John 14:23
Jesus replied, "If anyone LOVES Me, he will keep My word. My Father will LOVE him, and we will come to him and make Our home with him.

John 15:10
If you keep My commandments, you will remain in My LOVE, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and remain in His LOVE.

1 John 2:3
By this we can be sure that we have come to KNOW Him: if we keep His commandments.

1 John 5:3
For this is the LOVE of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome,

2 John 1:6
And this is LOVE, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the very commandment you have heard from the beginning, that you must walk in LOVE

Love is an ACTION.
How do we love our God? By obeying the first 4 commandments and all its precepts in the law.
How do we love our brother? By obeying the last 6 commandments and all its precepts in the law.


"Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt LOVE the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt LOVE thy neighbour as thyself. 40On these two commandments hang all the LAW AND THE PROPHETS." (Matt 22:37-40)

Unlike Paul, James' audience are fellow Israelites. He's rebuking them for showing favoritism and discriminating against the poor. All he's doing is showing their hypocrisy... they can't keep certain aspects of the law, they must keep the whole law. This isn't a profound statement, I don't know what the big deal is here. Whether its the royal or mosaic law, both appear to be the same thing. Show me what distinguishes one from the other?

@OKCornel

Continuing on from my last post...herein lies the basis of the Law.

We've ALWAYS been under grace.
Yes, even since the OT times.
Your language about the "era of grace" isn't accurate.
Grace doesn't have an "era"...it existed since the fall of man.

Grace and the Law are two sides of the same coin.
One cannot exist without the other.
The Law was never designed to be kept without grace.
Because God knows, in our fallen state, we would repeatedly break it.

This is what Paul means he uses language like the "CURSE OF THE LAW". Or "BONDAGE OF THE LAW".
The law only becomes a "curse" or "bondage" to those who seek to achieve salvation by the WORKS OF THE LAW.
This can't be done.
Because no one, not one, can keep it perfectly.

Only our Messiah could do it.
And it's by our faith in his sacrifice, which pardons us from the condemnation of transgressing God's Law.
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Yahshuah Hamashiach.

You see, if there is no Law, there is no need for grace.
The Law was NEVER meant to be kept carnally.
Nor salvation achieved by keeping the law.

The Law is SPIRITUAL (Rom 7:14). Always has been. Always will be.
Those who believe they can achieve their salvation through works are under the CURSE OF THE LAW.
Because by no means can they achieve salvation that way.
That's all Paul is saying here.

We are not "under the law" to achieve righteousness, justification nor salvation.
Grace through faith in our Messiah gives us these things. NOT THE LAW.

THIS DOES NOT MEAN THE LAW IS DONE AWAY WITH.

Does this mean because of God's grace and mercy we can continue to sin (hereby, transgress the LAW)?
God forbid (Rom 6:15)

Does this mean we nullify or void the law through faith?
God forbid, BECAUSE THE LAW IS ESTABLISHED (Rom 3:31)

OkCornel:
Since you insist on lumping everything together, then we'll see the illogicality in trying that route.

You listed the following as the Law right?
1) The Law of Christ
2) The Law of Conscience
3) The Law of Faith
4) The Law of Love


Now look at these verses, does it refer to those things you lumped in as part of THE LAW?

Romans 6:14
for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Galatians 5:18
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the Law.


If you say the above 4 items you earlier mentioned refers to THE LAW, does it now mean that someone who spirit filled in this era of grace is no longer under those Laws?

You are mixing things up and lumping them all in together...

OKCornel, I need you to think of this logically.

How can Paul instruct gentiles, they are not under the law...
But this same Paul I've shown repeatedly keeps the law?
And instructs the gentiles to do the same?

Paul kept the feasts days - Acts 18:21, 20:16, 1 Cor 16:8 (READ THE KJV)
Performed the Nazarite Vow - Acts 21:24
Believed in all things in the Law and Prophets - Acts 24:14
Defended himself from false witnesses, stating he kept the Law of the Israelites - Acts 25:8
PRAISES AND DELIGHTS IN THE LAW - 1 Tim 1:8, Romans 7:12
Acknowledged twice we know what sin is from the law - Romans 3:20, Romans 7:7
That grace does NOT nullify the Law - Romans 3:31, Romans 6:15
That the law is SPIRITUAL (not carnal) - Romans 7:14, Romans 8:2
That Paul himself proclaimed he's under the LAW OF CHRIST - 1 Corinthians 9:21
And because he exhorted gentiles to imitate Christ - (1 Cor 11:1, 4:16), (Phil 3:17), (1 Thess 1:6)
HE THUS INSTRUCTED GENTILES TO FOLLOW THE SAME LAW: Gal 6:2, Acts 15:21

I'll even add Act 28:23.
Up to the point he was about to be executed, Paul taught gentiles the LAW AND THE PROPHETS FROM MORNING TO EVENING.

Either you're insinuating Paul said something he didn't, or you don't fully understand the writings of Paul....

OkCornel:
Well spoken...

Did you take time to watch the 6 minutes video I pasted earlier on this thread concerning what the Law is about?

You're lumping up everything together. Do you recall the part in the book of James where it said if you break one part of the law, you're guilty of breaking all? Now be honest, do you think James was referring to all those Laws you typed up there? Or was it just the Mosaic Law he was referring to.


We need to be specific here, the Law I am talking of here is the Mosaic Law.

I watched the video.
Wasn't impressed.
It wasn't very accurate.

It failed to raise a good point brought up earlier...that the LAW was observed from the days of Adam.
It falsely portrayed the Mosaic law as subsequent additions resulting from Israel's continual breaking of it.
Last, it ended with the notion that the law is fulfilled by just believing in Jesus Christ.


If people want to believe that, that's fine.
But I personally don't.


And concerning James...I'll have to ask YOU to be honest.
Not once in his entire epistle...does he mention the Law of Moses.
Unlike Paul in Acts 15:21 who specifically mentions Moses...
James only mentions the Royal law and perfect Law of Liberty.
The verse you speak of...is only 2 verses from James speaking of fulfilling the Royal law.
Hence, I personally believe James here is referring to the Royal law.

But I'll bite....
Even IF the Law of Moses was what James was specifically referring to...so what?
What is sin?
The transgression of the law.
Which law?
Would it really matter if it was the Mosaic law? Or Royal Law?
God's Law? Or Law of Conscience? Law of Christ?
THEY'RE ALL ESSENTIALLY THE SAME LAW...GOD'S LAW.

OkCornel:
For a start, what was Paul referring to as the Law in his letters?


What Law was the Apostles and the early church debating about in Acts 15?

The Mosaic Law...

Paul referred to many "aspects" of the Law in his letters.
The other apostles too.
That said, yes, it appears that the Law discussed in Acts 15:21 is the Law of Moses.
But I think I know where you're going with this...

There appears to be many aspects or categorizations of the Law in the Bible.

The Law Of God (Romans 2:12)
The Law Of Christ (Gal 6:2)
The Law Of Moses (Acts 15:21)
The Law Of Conscience (Romans 2:14-15)
The Law Of Works (Romans 3:27)
The Law Of Faith (Romans 3:27)
The Law Of Spirit Of Life (Romans 8:2)
The Law Of Sin And Death (Romans 8:2)
The Law Of Righteousness (Romans 9:31)
The Law Of Love (Romans 13:8-10)
The Royal Law (James 2:8-10)
The Perfect Law of Liberty (James 1:25)

If you read every one of them in their proper context, they're all essentially saying the same thing.
I completely understand what you mean about those never having the law, thus when they do things in the law the law is written in their hearts (Romans 2:14-15).

God is so gracious. He winks at ignorance.
There are remote tribes throughout the world who never heard of Christ...
But by simply doing those things contained in the law through their conscious, they will be entering the kingdom of heaven before them who profess to know him.

Faith cometh by HEARING...and HEARING the Word of God.
Remote tribes who haven't HEARD the word can still enter the kingdom from just being decent (not lying, cheating, stealing, murdering, etc).
I personally think Paul penned Rom 2:14-15 referring to the far off nations that hadn't yet heard the Word during Paul's time.

However, the gentiles that HEARD the Word and received it were first being instructed to abstain from blood, strangled meat, fornication, etc.
The basics. Milk stuff.
But the Law of Moses was preached every Sabbath to strengthen and grow their faith.
Some Isiewu-type spiritual food.

So you see, there is a PROGRESSION in Godly knowledge, wisdom and understanding.
People are going to operate in God's laws the best they know how.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN HIS LAWS ARE DONE AWAY WITH.

To whom much is given, much is required.
When we know better, we DO better.
Will you be damned to hell if you don't observe the progressive teachings of God's laws? Absolutely not.
But there is certainly a higher blessing for them who hunger and thirst to do ALL which God commands His children to do.

EMILO2STAY:
well I don't think your reason are her reasons. She said she keeps the sabbath what exactly are the benefits for keeping the sabbath. Remember she said sunday, Easter, Christmas are Babylonian pagan ceremonies so she keeps the sabbath, feast of terbanacles, passover and the likes. This makes me think she is doing it to be justified in them rather than just for benefits.

I do it because these are our APPOINTMENT DAYS WITH THE LORD.
These are HIS feast days.
Not jewish feast days.
But HIS feast days (Lev 23:4)

I would encourage you to do a simple google search on the spiritual significance of these feast days.
Including the Sabbath.
It's not the 7th day for no reason.
There's 7 feast days. 7 is a very powerful number in the realm of the spirit.

If you had an appointment with your boss...you would go.
If you had an appointment for a job interview... you would go.
If you had an appointment with your doctor...or lawyer..you would go.
LGA chairman? Governor? President? Absolutely.


But an appointed time, a holy convocation with the Most High?
The Creator of the heavens and the earth?
Nah.. my pastor told me that its "done away with" and its only for those fake jew...even though there's no scriptural proof whatsoever to prove this.
Instead I'll partake in occult observances like Nimrod's b'day and the s*x fertility cult rituals of Ishtar/easter, hereby indirectly worshipping satan who laughs at me every time I do it....

OkCornel:
Another thing I see at play here is, those who support the law thinks the knowledge of good and evil started with the 10 commandments and other Mosaic Laws... whereas, man knew what was right from wrong right from the garden of Eden.

Before the Laws of Moses, Cain knew he committed evil by murdering Abel. Joseph knew it was wrong to sleep with Potiphar's wife. Job (who was never under the Mosaic Law) knew what was good and did it, but eschewed evil and many other examples...

Even ancient legal codes before the Mosaic law like the Hammurabi code, The Code of the Nesilim, The 7 Laws of Noah e.t.c clearly shows man's knowledge of good and evil. Matters like murder, incest, bestiality e.t.c. were covered in those legal codes as taboos and evils among the gentile nations...

People were able to walk with God and please Him prior to the Law (Mosaic Law), same too applies even after the era of the Law (Mosaic Law)...

I don't know where you got the idea that the law began with Moses, but I know you didn't get it from me.
Please see my post to Goshen360. He basically said the same thing you did.
And I told him he proved my point.
Careful examination of Ezekiel 28:16 proves the LAW was in existence in the HEAVENS before man was even created.

Christ was a LAW-KEEPER. As was Enoch. Noah. Abraham. Joseph. ETC.
Should you not strive to be a law-keeper as Christ was? Or the patriarchs? (Gen 26:5)
Noah knew the law of clean and unclean food (Gen 7:2)
Cain and Abel even knew the law of tithing and offering (Gen 4:3-4)

So you see, you're making my POINT. The law didn't come into existence with Moses. The law is ETERNAL. It was, is and always will BE. It was already in the heavens and taught to Adam and his progeny. Through Shem's line, then Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and his 12 sons, God chose a nation to re-introduce his laws to the world. That nation is Israel. That's why God said: REMEMBER the Sabbath. The Israelites always knew of it from the days of Adam, Seth, Enoch, Noah...etc who obviously observed it. Despite what you think or are taught by your misguided pastor, this day has not been done away with. Neither has God's laws, which exits in the heavens and shall never be done away with. It's not possible.

As usual, you're quoting from a man who KEPT THE LAW. Does that make SENSE?

If Christ is the "end" of the law as you claim, then why did he and all the other apostles not only continue to KEEP THE LAW, after Christ's ascension, but ENCOURAGE the gentiles to do the same? (Col 2:16-17)


WHY DID THE APOSTLES ENCOURAGE THE GENTILES TO LEARN THE LAW AS TAUGHT IN THE SYNAGOGUES EVERY SABBATH (Acts 15:19-21)

So either Paul was a mental basket-case when he penned that verse.... OR you don't have a good grasp of Paul's writings.

I'll go with the latter.

Last, what is SIN, according to the Bible?

The transgression of the LAW (1 John 3:4)

What did Satan DO to God in heaven?

"By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire." (Ezekiel 28:16)

Careful study of this verse PROVES that the law exited long before you and I, Moses and even ADAM. It shall always STAND. AMEN.

EMILO2STAY:
so why do it then?, for fun?.

We don't observe the law to attain salvation. We observe the law BECAUSE of our salvation. Do you understand now?

The quote above was my reply to you in a previous post.

I'll reiterate the fundamental message in Paul's writings which has confused many in the modern church.

The LAW can't save you. Only grace through faith in Jesus can.

Thus you can't attain salvation from the Law.

But because of our love and sincere gratitude of Christ's forgiveness for our sins, we desire to do absolutely EVERYTHING he says, commands and instructs. Torah means "instructions".

We don't question it. We just do it. With child-like faith.

So when God says "REMEMBER" the Sabbath, and the apostles were instructing the gentiles to do the same, I don't really question it.

I just do it. And have never felt more "free" in doing so.

It all makes sense now.

Tithes and offering is part of the law.

Ask your pastor to explain how the law was "done away with", but we're still instructed to "bring the full tithe into God's storehouse".

EMILO2STAY:
true israelites keeping Gods laws? Were are they located?. Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life for no man cometh unto the father except by me.

Ethnic Israel is scattered to the 4 corners of the earth.
Due to their repeated breaking of God's Law.
God's hand of affliction is upon them still.
They are a lowly downtrodden people.
And have been for a very, very long time.

The whole earth is reeling to and fro like drunkard
Because as Israel goes...so does the world.
All of creation is waiting for the manifestation of the sons of God.
Because God's chosen people are the LAST people they would expect.


But they shall be gathered and restored back to their rightful place as the kings and priests they once were. (Exo 19:6)
To the utter surprise of those whom God allowed to afflict them.
God truly chooses the foolish things of the world to confound the wise.
Israel's restoration is NOT by the League of Nations in 1948
But by God's own mighty hand in these end times.
To have an idea of who the true Israelites are, just read the regions from where they'll be gathered from in Isaiah 11.
Read all of it.

And just like their captors of old, Israel's enemies shall be JUDGED.
The imposters falsely assuming their identity shall worship them at their feet (Rev 3:9)
Their oppressors shall bow down to them in submission (Isa 60:14)
And God will appoint fame and praise for centuries of their shame and disgrace (Zeph 3:19)

God never forgot Israel. His people.
The apple of His eye.
"The church" will never replace Israel.

Don't misunderstand me. ALL must be saved of course to enter the kingdom.
This includes Ethnic Israel.
Every gentile must pass through the 12 gates to enter New Jerusalem.
Each gate represents one of the 12 tribes (Rev 21:12, Eze 48:31)

Until the heavens can be measured,
or the foundations of the earth searched out,
the seed of Israel SHALL NEVER CEASE from being a nation before God. (Jer 31:37)

EMILO2STAY:
initially I took you for one who knows the scripture but now not anymore. You observe the feast of terbanacles, the penticost and the passover lol. Go ahead Mrs, you even observe sabbath. Were did the scriptures command Christians to observe all this?

A commandment is a command.

I just proved above where every disciple, apostle, prophet and Yahshua Hamashiach himself kept these commandments. And encouraged the gentiles to do the same. (Acts 15:21, Gal 6:2)

In other words, the early Christian church, comprised of Israelite and gentiles alike, were all observing the LAW (look it up).
They were NOT having the conversations we are having now.
Or questioning if the laws were "done away with".

Even everyone's favorite, Col 2:16, is a complete BACKWARDS interpretation by the modern church.
Paul is ENCOURAGING the Colossians Gentiles to KEEP THE FEASTS, and not let their pagan friends DISCOURAGE THEM. Like how you all on this board are doing right now.

Let God be true and every man a liar.

EMILO2STAY:
if you say those scriptures I put up are not enough proof then I can't help your case. Because they are clear enough, you want go back to the old system of worship?, then observe the whole law like the ancient israelites did otherwise you are wasting your time and denying christ.

The scriptures you put up don't help YOUR CASE.
You can't just throw up scriptures without examining the ENTIRE STORY AND PLACING THEM IN ITS PROPER CONTEXT.

If you read the entire book of Galatians (or preferably, the entire Bible for that matter), you'd know Paul couldn't possibly be preaching AGAINST the law. How could he if he followed it? And encouraged the Galatians to FULFILL THE LAW OF CHRIST (Gal 6:2)

The poor man WENT OUT OF HIS WAY TO PERFORM THE NAZARITE VOW in front of his fellow Israelites just to PROVE HE KEPT HE LAW! (Acts 21:24) Because thy kept bearing false witness against him. Just like the modern church is today. In their gross IGNORANCE.

Mehn...SMH

I notice you continue to IGNORE the passages proving Paul KEPT THE LAW.

Until you address the passages where...

Paul kept the feasts days - Acts 18:21, 20:16, 1 Cor 16:8 (READ THE KJV)
Performed the Nazarite Vow - Acts 21:24
Believed in all things in the Law and Prophets - Acts 24:14
Defended himself from false witnesses, stating he kept the Law of the Israelites - Acts 25:8
PRAISES AND DELIGHTS IN THE LAW - 1 Tim 1:8, Romans 7:12
Acknowledged twice we know what sin is from the law - Romans 3:20, Romans 7:7
That grace does NOT nullify the Law - Romans 3:31, Romans 6:15
That the law is SPIRITUAL (not carnal) - Romans 7:14, Romans 8:2
That Paul himself proclaimed he's under the LAW OF CHRIST - 1 Corinthians 9:21
And because he exhorted gentiles to imitate Christ - (1 Cor 11:1, 4:16), (Phil 3:17), (1 Thess 1:6)
HE THUS INSTRUCTED GENTILES TO FOLLOW THE SAME LAW: Gal 6:2, Acts 15:21

....then the scriptures you posted in Galatians REMAIN INSUFFICIENT.


Go back to the drawing board...

Laduet:
As Africans God has given us this beautiful curly kinky hair, why try so much to criticise the handwork of God because that is what we keep doing each time we head to the stores to buy hairs that comes from other human beings head, its like secretly we keeps saying to God "father, i don't like your handwork".

Shalom.

THIS....this right here.

Beautiful, beautiful testimony.

All praises to the Most High for your deliverance.

We don't have hair like goats, but like sheep.

Our hair is like WOOL. We are the lambs of the Creator.

The sheep of His pasture.

Our hair defies gravity for a reason.

What's up is down, what was down is now up.

Wear your natural crowns my beautiful African Queens.

And to my fellow woolly haired indigenous sisters of Arabia, Asia, Melanesia and Oceania as well.

With smooth skin kissed by the life-giving sun.

Keep your head up to the sky.

Because like our mother Eve, you all were fashioned in the divine image and likeness of the Creator Himself.

It doesn't get more BEAUTIFUL than that

Black people usually say it doesn't matter what colour Jesus is because He came to save the world, so colour is unimportant, then why is it so difficult to remove all those distorted images of a white Christ and replace them with a likeness that resembles themselves. It mattered to the whites who believed it was beneath them to worship a Black deity even though they did so in the beginning without a problem. They eventually recreated all the images of the Black Christ to resemble their own race and skin colour, but black people are still so brainwashed, that they are afraid to worship their true God who created them in His own BLACK image.

AMEN.

The comments here are sickening.

People have no idea that the land of Israel BORDERS THE AFRICAN CONTINENT!

They resembled the ancient Black African Egyptians.

At least in color.

When I realized the ancient Israelites were Black (as were the other ancient tribes in the Biblical lands), it was then I understood why the mainstream media DARE NOT PORTRAY THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS AS BLACK AFRICANS.

Because if KMT was BLACK...then so was ISRAEL.

They were Black then...they're still Black today.

Busta:
You go to some churches and they have the picture of Jesus as a white man.
Some others, He was a black man.

I know it really does not matter whether he was black or white, as long as u believe in what u believe in.
Out of curiosity, if u had to choose, would u say he was he white or Black?

He had skin like burnt brass and hair like WOOL.

He was a Black man. The Israelites were a Black people.

The people in Israel who call themselves "jews" look NOTHING like the people around them.

They're imposters.

Jesus is white (Caesar Borgia..google this name).

But YAHSHUAH HA'MASHIACH IS A BLACK MAN!

[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=80704533]Well spotted

1/ Will you be selling your daughter as slave?
2/ Why aren't you determined on buying male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you, hmm?
3/ Have you stoned to death yet a same sex attraction person?
4/ Do you see yourself as impure for 7 days when having your monthly period?
5/ Why do you enjoy eating catfish, shrimps, lobsters, crabs, ham, bacon, belly pork, pepperoni in pizzas etcetera
6/ If you or your hubby wear spectacles, what are you then doing near the altar (i.e. Leviticus 21:17-23)

1. The laws regarding slavery were civil laws which applied to the Israelites WHEN THEY WERE A NATION.
WHEN ISRAEL WAS A NATION, there were codes of conduct (in the law) on how they were to acquire slaves, treat them, etc. God even made it so that they were treated equitably and fairly, just like how Abraham treated Eleazar. These laws WERE TO PROTECT THE SLAVES, not harm or abuse them (which was against the law). This slavery was more like the house-boy/house-girl servitude still practiced in naija and other nations across the world not the chattel slavery as seen by the Arab and Atlantic slave trades.

2. If you or I wanted a house help we could acquire one easily.
All God is saying here it treat them fairly and with respect.
And hopefully, they'll come to worship the God that you do.
Just like Eleazar did.

3. I think this is merely symbolic of a nation's form of capital punishment. You're right in that I don't see the Israelites stoning people (en masses) in the NT because Christ showed no one is fit to execute justice anymore. The legalistic pharisees of the NT were a huge downgrade from the Levite priests of the OT. Christ showed he's High Priest in the order of Melchizedek, he will execute righteous judgment. Not us.

That said, the Levitical priesthood will be RESTORED in the 4th temple which shall be the Temple of the Lord in the Millennial Reign (Eze 43:19). We shall ALL be observing this Law. Read Ezekiel Chapters 40-48 for broader context. God's Law, the way it was ORIGINALLY INTENDED shall go forth. Yet another precept to Isa 2:3 and Mic 4:2. God's Laws were never "done away with".

4. There are certain things women should abstain from when on their cycle. In ancient times women were more restricted b/c they didn't have the same hygiene products and sanitized environments like we do now, but there are things even modernity wouldn't allow women to do when on their cycle.

5. I can now confirm you don't read my posts. EMILOSTAY2 asked me if I observed the law, and I said "yes", to the best of my ability. I told him
straight up, I don't eat crayfish, catfish, shrimps, etc anymore. I never really ate pork, that includes sausage and pepperoni.

6. That law would apply to Aarons sons (the Levites). Much of the law only applied to the priests. Others only women. Etc. Much of the law we can't do because of MODERNITY, because THERE'S NO TEMPLE and because[b] THE RIGHTFUL PEOPLE (ISRAELITES) ARE NOT YET BACK IN THEIR LAND.[/b] The Bible prophesied that when the Messiah returns, he'll find gentiles trodding down his land (Luke 21:24). But a worldwide exodus of God's chosen people will put the Israelites back in their own land by God's own hand, just like in the times of Moses, and only then will the rightful priests be put back into the righteous temple to perform their ministerial role (Ezekiel 43:19)

"¹⁵And having disarmed the powers and authorities, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.
¹⁶Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a festival, a New Moon, or a Sabbath.
¹⁷These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ"
- Colossians 2:15-17

Read up above, you'll see the word "ordinances" of men again (v.14) which is causing a type of division amongst the Israelite and Gentile believers. Here, Paul is encouraging the Colossians that their PAGAN FRIENDS (Or legalistic pharisees) SHOULDN'T JUDGE THEM FOR CONVERTING TO THE FAITH AND OBSERVING THE HOLY FEASTS, APPOINTED TIMES AND SABBATHS.

Then Jesus declared,
"The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath."
- Mark 2:27

Amen.
Jesus addressing legalistic pharisees to inform them it was lawful to do GOOD (heal the sick) on the Sabbath. Which, by the way, the pharisees themselves did not keep (lawfully).

"⁹But now that you know God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you are turning back to those weak and worthless principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again?
¹⁰You are observing special days and months and seasons and years!
¹¹I fear for you, that my efforts for you may have been in vain."
- Galatians 4:9-11

The "weak and worthless principles" mentioned here ARE NOT THE LAWS OF GOD.
The "special days, months, seasons and years" ARE NOT THE FEASTS, APPOINTED TIMES AND SABBATHS.
I know because unlike Col 2:15 which identifies the holy days by name, NOT ONCE IN THE ENTIRE
EPISTLE OF GALATIANS do we see Paul mention or reference any feast, appointed time or sabbath.

Furthermore, in the next verse, Paul is encouraging the Galatians to BE LIKE HIM! (v.12)
I've shown several scriptures proving Paul NOT ONLY KEPT THE LAW, BUT ENCOURAGED HIS GENTILE
CONVERTS TO KEEP IT AS WELL!(1 Cor 11:1, 4:16), (Phil 3:17), (1 Thess 1:6)

Make it make sense.

Read the whole book of Galatians. Paul is rebuking the Galatians for listening to legalistic pharisees (who keep NOT the law) adjuring them to get circumcised for salvation (Gal 5:12-13). He's also concerned the Galatians are GOING BACK TO BONDAGE BY KEEP THEIR OWN PAGAN PRACTICES (Chp 4).

How can Paul call the God's Law "weak and worthless principles" in Chp4, and instruct the Galatians to "FULFILL THE LAW OF CHRIST" in Chp 6? (Gal 6:2)

Context, context, context, is key, my friend.

"Don't be led astray by various kinds of strange teachings; for it is good for the heart to be established by grace..."
- Hebrews 13:9a

Amen to that.
Like "the law is done away with".

Asides, the paragraph with the Ashkenazi Jews content, everything else is, you wetting your finger and holding it up in the air

Nah, I just let the Word speak for me lol.
I'm curious. If you know the ashkenazi jews are not the descendants of the Israelites in scripture, who do you think today's Israelites are?

Yes, do not commit adultery, is the 7th commandment, it even, is a commandment repeated by Jesus and its true that Jesus said to not even THINK about committing adultery, but Jesus never pronounced any command to believers in regards keeping an end of week day sabbath.

Yes, Christ said do not murder. He went even FURTHER in the SPIRIT OF THE LAW, and said to not even have HATE in your heart for your brother, but still, Jesus never pronounced any command to believers in regards keeping an end of week day sabbath.

You're correct...I don't see where Jesus commanded believers to keep the Sabbath.
That's because the only "believers" at that time, the Israelites, were ALREADY keeping the Sabbath.
So had Adam. Noah. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, etc. From the days of old.
The 4th commandment begins with the word: "REMEMBER" for a reason.
Keeping the sabbath holy was a commandment observed from the days of Creation.
If you don't want to keep it, that's fine.
But Jesus DID SAY he came NOT to abolish the commandments (Sabbath)....but embody it.
If Yahshua fulfilled the commandments, then being imitators of Christ, we're to fulfill it too.

If you, dear providence338, are the believer in Christ you purport to be, then you'd do well in not coveting what is not yours. Stop yearning to possess things, like especially desiring something belonging to another, stop aching for and hungering after a command given to a different set of people in a different time zone or era. God bless you more as you do.

I long and yearn to do what thus sayeth the LORD.
I believe in the Old Testament and New Testament.
I don't believe the NT nullifies the OT, but is in fact built up from it.
Therefore, I believe what God said in the OT also applied in NT times, and still applies today.

"For I am the LORD, I changeth not" (Mal 3:6)

The scriptures regarding the Law and the Stranger....
Strangers (gentiles) always lived and dwelled amongst the Israelites.
God was saying BOTH GROUPS shall observe THE SAME LAW.

CaveAdullam asked you who the law was meant to, but you responded by quoting Old testament verses like Num 9:14, 15:16, Exo 12:49, Lev 24:22 back to him, then you contradicted yourself by looking towards Paul for support, by quoting his letters such as, 1 Cor 11:1, 4:16, Phil 3:17 and 1 Thess 1:6, meanwhile a few lines later and below, you are saying: "Everyone here is justifying the eradication of God's laws based on a single man's writings (Paul)" If you so much stand by Paul's words, why not go the whole shebang, hmm?

Based on GOD'S OWN WORDS the law is meant for the Israelite and stranger.
God's truth endureth to all generations (Psa 100:5) and reaches to the skies (Psa 108:5)

Your word, O LORD, is everlasting; it is firmly fixed in the heavens" Psalm 119:89

Well, fyi, all that Num 9:14, 15:16, Exo 12:49, Lev 24:22 jazz are not applicable to foreigners or gentiles who happen to be believers upon hearing the Good News or Gospel

If that were the case, why did Paul instruct the gentiles who heard the gospel to first abstain from idol worship, fornication and unclean food (all in Torah), as they learned the LAW OF MOSES PREACHED IN THE SYNAGOGUES EVERY SABBATH? (Acts 15:20-21)

Jesus Christ kept every aspect of the law, up until to His death on the cross of calvary

What if the sabbath word was mentioned or referenced, hmm?. Did you read observing the sabbath anywhere in the Matthew 24:20 mention or reference, erhn?

It is the new law that is going to be observed by EVERYBODY during the millennial reign, with Christ as our ruler in Zion

I was simply remarking how the Sabbath is apparently relevant even during the end-times tribulation.

There is ONE LAW for the Israelite and the stranger.
That same law is the law Jesus said he DID NOT ABOLISH, NOR DO AWAY WITH.
That same law is the law taught by the apostles to the newly converted gentiles
The same Christ who said not one dot or tittle shall pass from the LAW will rule with this same law.

"Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever" (Heb 13:8 )

There's evidence that there are certain "commandments" and "laws" in scripture that were NOT God's holy laws, statutes or commandments.
But in as far as God's laws, there's only ONE.
More on that later.
Would love to see scriptural evidence of this "new law".

It seems you're one of those, who have a vendetta against Paul and so a bone to pick with him, hmm?

Um...negative.
In my post to EMILOSTAY2, I addressed how Paul must be the most MISUNDERSTOOD MAN OF ALL TIME.
The man died defending himself against his own people who FALSELY accused him of preaching "the law is done away with".
I had to repent when I found out that the modern church is doing the same thing....
attributing the[b] LIE[/b] that "the law is done away with" to him...
If the Creator of the Law did not do away with His own law...why would Paul?
Maybe because Paul never DID what we've all been brainwashed to believe. (Rom 3:31)

You can show nowhere where I hold a vendetta against any holy man of scripture.
I've in fact shown the opposite.

"²There He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light.
³Suddenly Moses and Elijah appeared before them, talking with Jesus."
- Matthew 17:2-3

"I tell you," Jesus added,
"John is greater than anyone who has ever lived. But the one who is least in the Kingdom of God is greater than John."
- Luke 7:28

Here you are bring up lexicon, but do you understand the meaning of and know the implication of Matthew 17:2-3 above hmm? I mean the significance of Moses and Elijah appearing before the inner caucus and talking with Jesus, hmm?

My dearie sister, I tell you if you really do understand the meanings of Matthew 17:2-3 and Luke 7:28 above, you wouldnt be quoting or sign posting people to Matthew 5:17

The transfiguration symbolizes the Law and the Prophets.
God's Law is eternal (Psa 119:160). Israel rose and fell because of the Law.
And every Prophet observed the Law. Including the High Priest himself.

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets." (Matt 5:17)

Please dont get it twisted providence338, Paul in Romans 7:12, is merely saying one is release by a new, superior and more powerful law from an old, holding back, slowing one down, holding one back, inhibiting and interfering with one's progress law. The law of gravity is made redundant, made useless, made irrelevant, made look like nothing, made inoperable, made to look like as if dead made etcetera when faced with a superior law, a more powerful law, a senior law, a stronger law, the law of aerodynamics

"He brought an end to the commandments and demands found in Moses' Teachings (i.e. abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances) so that he could take Jewish and non-Jewish people and create one new humanity in himself. So he made peace"
- Ephesians 2:15

Hmmm. interesting translation (falsely) including the phrase: "Moses' Teachings" (CEV). Never heard of it.
Pay careful attention to the word "ordinances".
"Ordinances" could mean any political or religious announcement, judgement or decree.
Whatever this "ordinance" was in this verse, caused hatred and division.
Thus, whatever the "law of commandments contained in ordinances" is clearly NOT talking about God's Law.

Because:

"THERE'S ONE LAW FOR THE ISRAELITES AND THE FOREIGNER"

Num 9:14, 15:16, Exo 12:49, Lev 24:22

God's laws ALWAYS brought people who worshipped Him in spirit and truth TOGETHER.
Since Abraham and Eleazar. Since the mixed multitude in Egypt. Since the mixed multitude at Mt. Sinai.
The legalistic spirit which pervaded the early church by the pharisees is what Paul is referring to here.

The "law of commandments contained in ordinances" was their own doctrine/traditions of men (Matt 15:3,6,9). Not God's law.

Think about it. God's law can't be "holy, good and just" (Rom 7:12) and "hostile" (Eph 2:15) at the same time...







(please give me a min....working on 2nd post.... )