₦airaland Forum

mamaput:
sooo but thats not what its all about.She is not dependent on him.
if she can't stand him then she can still have something out of her trip Greece is a fine place.Whats left of it,

she'd better have the guy. . . last ii heard there's very little left of Greece to see unless she's going to help put out bush fires.

Veracious:
although am one. i would not want to marry a virgin man.reason: with all the things i hear and read,i will surly want my husband to make the waiting worth it.

this oscilating pendulum! First you asked us if we wanted to marry a virgin yet you dont want to marry a male virgin?

omoge:
yeah, that backside no one can take it from us it's nice in tight jeans and we do am well

what's the point when we cant touch it?

Ah, abeg the poster is the banned michelin89.
tundewoods i'd suggest you leave her alone. Your assessment of her was spot on!

omoge:
PTH your mind dey roam o

Roaming where? Bodi no be firewood. ordinary 5 weeks some guys are complaining of stomach ache. . .

The most powerful unscriptural cult in christendom.

omoge:
the good thing is you are not going to stay with him. at least you've book a place/hotel to stay. that's good

after 5 yrs of phone conversations and lonely nights, you'd think they'd not be able to keep their hands off each other for that 1 month.

ClimieNH89 will soon come back crying to be let into heaven. . .

@ veracious, do you mind if i refer to you as weak since you seem to be undecided about whether you want a "special someone for keeps" or the jury is still out searching?

tnaidaR:
PTH, could you be one of the gentlemen of Nairaland ?

thou sayest.

Fufu King:
What blame did I shift from the Europeans?

It's true that those lands were conquered and colonized by the Romans. It is also true that the cultures and languages that existed pre-Roman occupation were lost forever.

I pointed it out to show that even if cultures and languages from the past are lost, it doesn't mean that the people themselves cannot adopt a new one and move forward.

This is a "fantastic" point of view. How do you lose a language and adopt a new one? Is it possible for igbos to "lose" their language and "adopt" yoruba?
The only way languages "get lost" is when that tribe is decimated or completely whipped out. It may also be possible that a culture gets subsumed into a more dominant culture and over the yrs they gradually adopt the cultures and language of the dominant group. It is not possible for a large mass of people to suddenly lose their language and culture overnight.

Fufu King:
If Nigerians today, stood together and decided "We want Yoruba to be our official language" then that would be the end of it. But we all know that wouldn't happen because there are too many ethnic groups who would feel insulted and inferior if such a proclamation were to be made.

We dont have that leeway. That is why while serious nations are busy developing we are still squabbling over federal character, quota system and zoning.

Fufu King:
This is true as well.

So what do you suggest? Should countries be redrawn according to ethnic groups? (My, the countries would begin to be very small)

And Europeans may understand the power in a homogenous society, but many of the various ethnic groups in Europe had to assimilate and sacrifice their sub-cultures and sub-languages in order to do so. For example, in Italy shortly after unification, the country set about standardizing Italian, and they chose a dialect of Italian from Tuscany. Today that dialect is the standard and although other dialects exists, the "mother tongue" of the country is Italian.

There are more than 10 different yoruba dialects, at the end of the day all recognise themselves as Yorubas not simply as egbas, ijebus, ijeshas e.t.c. This is similar to the italian situation. Imagine if Jews, Arabs, Germans and Russians were major ethnic groups within one single European nation?

Fufu King:
And it's important to remember, that even though the French, Spanish, and Portuguese have their own languages, they are all born out of the conquest and colonization of their lands by the Romans, who imposed Latin as the language of their empire. The languages that existed pre-Roman civilization have been lost forever.

This is not the same thing as exists in Africa. Infact it is simply an untenable excuse to shift the blame from the European meddlers.

excellent responses by Siena. Where we born by the same mother?

Fufu King:
But talking about the multitude of languages is absolutely part of the problem! It cannot be ignored.

We cannot talk about Nigeria or most African countries having a "mother tongue" because that DOESN'T exist. Ethnic groups have mother tongues, but not the majority of the countries. The Hausa cannot understand Yoruba and the Igbo cannot understand Yoruba.

Igbo, Hausa, and Yoruba are the largest groups in Nigeria, but what makes you think that the other ethnic groups consider those languages to be their "mother tongue"? It is precisely because of this conflict that many African nations chose to keep the European language as the official language.

It allowed no one ethnic group to claim superority over the rest.

Mother tongue does not "exist" in most african "countries" for the simple reasons that those countries themselves do not exist. We are simply living in unviable contraptions bequeathed to us by Europeans who themselves understand the power in a homogenous society.

Omoge thanks!! This peppersoup is to die for!

Fufu King:
PTH, what exactly is the mother tongue of Nigeria?

Last time I checked, there are more than 50 languages in Nigeria alone.

The Germans, Russians, Japanese and Dutch have ONE language. There aren't any African countries with one language, except the northern African countries that exclusively speak Arabic.

Let us not belabour the issue. We have over 50 languages in Nigeria alone but by sheer size Yoruba, Igbo and Hausa are our primary languages which is why English was adopted as the lingua franca to avoid the problem of federal character.

Come to think of it, is it any coincidence that ALL the worlds most powerful and most developed nations have only ONE language including the most stable nations of africa?

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=74814.msg1437487#msg1437487 date=1188243732]However, I think it's a great thing if people are interested in our languages and cultures - no matter how insignificant the number may be. They may not adopt our languages; but we should not forget that no single country can lay exclusive claim to even the so-called international languages.[/quote]There is nothing like "international languages". The English have exclusive rights to the English language that is why you dont see Germans writing English dictionaries for them. French is exclusive to the people of France, ditto for German, Spanish, Dutch. The reason why these languages are spoken widely is due largely to colonisation. The Europeans have been largely smart, the fact that English is one of the world's most universal languages is of significant economic benefit to the British and Americans.

wales:
I find it very hard to see why people don't see reasons, why we should be glad that a white woman is singing two Yoruba Christian songs. first we should be glad that she is praising God in our own language which some of us born in Nigeria can not do,

A yoruba man born in Nigeria who cant speak yoruba language should be ashamed of himself. How many Frenchmen born in France would claim not to be able to speak French?

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=74814.msg1437487#msg1437487 date=1188243732]and at the same time, for her to praise God in Yoruba which is not a major language in Nigeria[/quote]Have you heard anything called WAZOBIA? Yoruba IS a major language in Nigeria. There are over 40million Yorubas in Nigeria alone.

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=74814.msg1437487#msg1437487 date=1188243732]i feel we should see reason to be happy about it, for we all know that English is the major language in Nigeria which it is also the major language of all this other countries we try to copy.[/quote]1. Only colonial backward thinking African nations adopted foreign languages as lingua franca to the detriment of our mother tongue. English is not the major language of the Spanish, Germans, Russians, Chinese, Japanese, Dutch.

2. Show me a German who will put up a youtube video exclaiming about a Nigerian who can sing in German!

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=74814.msg1437487#msg1437487 date=1188243732]with this you should know that a white man or woman will not be moved if you speck English to her/him or you sing in English, for they know it is our major language. so for me i am glad that a white woman is singing in my native language.[/quote]NO! Majority of Americans have no clue where Nigeria is on the map little talk about what major or minor languages exist there. I am glad a white woman is praising God, i could care less whether she sang in igbo or yoruba.

Veracious:
@PTH

me cry for who? mishoo lai lai. you better change your mind now so you will not regret later as ClimieNH89 said. but i am still asking my self if you are that "someone" because your attention is on someone else .

but wait a minute what is these mecedes you guys are talking about? because am lost on that one.

Sorry Vera, i'm definitely not that "someone".

About the mercedes? You really dont want to know.

kanz:
aww David that wzn't very nice. u jst hurt my feelins.

awww kanz, i'm sowwy. . .

mishoo:
PTH, pause and consider it now.
i wanted to date veraciuos but i think you'll fit her more !!

And about the mercedes, do i stand a chance ??

You better date veracious now before she starts crying again  Forget about the mercedes, this CAN NEVER be shared, well you can dream about it, no harm in that.

doyin13:
PTH you will notice that it is the general consensus on this forum
that you and veracious are a fit made in Mecca

when did the general consensus on the forum become gospel truth that i shld abide by? Save veracious!

ClimieNH89:
TOH

Abeg leave David jor.

What a waste of money for an expensive car when he could use it for better things.

eg: sending it to me to renew my wardrobe!

you wish eh

ThiefOfHearts:
how many people dey share mercedes?

i'll take the headlamps. . .  

doyin13:
That way you might get PTH to like you
and then he can leave my woman alone

when are you going to stop dreaming?  

ThiefOfHearts:
I toast to that!

with our mercedes?

kanz:
[s][/s]
eya how is she, hope u've bn behavin yourself.

awwww pele wipe ur tears. "She" could even have been refering to you for all u know.

wetin be the gift of nature?

ClimieNH89:
I think PTH and Vera would be a wonderful couple!

too late.  Besides Vera has already found her . . . and is only looking for a "Special friend".

omoge:
TOH, don't mind PTH him chic get that same braid. but the problem be say the thing dey fall for inside him soup

the day that one happen na bye bye to that chic o!

ThiefOfHearts:
osisi, where you be. let's talk about mercedes

I say ur mercedes with their likkle headlamps are big enough abi

Veracious, at last someone has mentioned your name. Maybe now u'll leave me and my preferences alone eh.

Veracious:
well congratulations on your new found love. and please note that am not searching for love because i'av found mine for keep.

stop consoling urself while hiding under the banner of falsehood. Shame the devil, you cant have found anything and yet be requesting for a "special someone" to be "just a friend". Its impossible.

Come out and look for a man, there's no shame in it. Women and their pretence!

kanz:
@PTH, were u bn.

hanging out under madam's watchful eye

For once pilgrim.1 i have to sadly disagree with your oppinion.

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=74814.msg1435644#msg1435644 date=1188217417]People, we should be proud that other people are interested and even captivated by our indigenous languages.[/quote]Why should we be "proud" that others are interested in our languages? We adopt English (a foreign language as our lingua franca), we offer French classes from primary - tertiary level and YET no of these foreign countries considers it important to even mention our own languages.
When one or two out of millions attempt to humor us by singing in our language all of a sudden we think it is cute and we shld be proud? How many English people are "proud" that Nigerians speak english?

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=74814.msg1435644#msg1435644 date=1188217417]Some of you don't know what it means to Europeans when they hear us speak English or even their own native languages as well as they do.[/quote]Trust me they do not think we have the mental capacity to be able to learn their language. When most Americans and English people express surprise that i speak English so well it is not because they are proud that i can do so but are amazed that people who live in the jungle, in trees, naked and with animals can even learn english.

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=74814.msg1435644#msg1435644 date=1188217417]I've been to several European countries and experienced the surprises on their faces to simply hear us speak. It is not as if some of us dey form 'phoné' for them; but majority of them simply imagine that we as Africans (not to even mention "Nigerians" have no clue how to speak English![/quote]Yeah, they expect us more to be only capable of chattering like monkeys.

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=74814.msg1435644#msg1435644 date=1188217417]Rather than be put off, let's learn to be appreciative that people know Nigerians for good things instead of the 419 and other stuff they've become accustomed to as appellations for Nigeria. Afterall, nobody said we should worship the white woman singing in Yoruba.[/quote]When we start off by claiming to be proud that a white woman sings songs that an average 3 yr old in Nigeria should be able to, we are indirectly expressing white worship.