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Truthseeker10:
So where did you get the idea of One God manifestating as "two persons" what concept is that?

Where does the Bible explain the meaning of "God head" for you to know that "greater than" does not apply.

You get it from gleaming the ENTIRE Bible as a WHOLE. "Baptise them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost." - three persons, one God. Question of greater or less than amongst them is ridiculous

Truthseeker10:
Are you saying that you also don't know the meaning of "person"? Oga explain na. These are you vocabularies that you've introduced into this discussion.

You've been told a million times, you can't give an exact definition of a 10-dimension world from here!

Truthseeker10:
i meant cannot.

Your hypocrisy is funny. You claimed that God connot be "greater than" himself. You understood the meaning of "greater than" in that context.

Now you've explained that God Manifest as Father and Son and that these are two different persons. So what exactly is stopping you from accepting that one of the persons claimed that the other person Is "greater than" him. Why have you all of a sudden lost the definition of "greater"?

You make no sense. I said "greater than" does not apply. How does that amount to accepting the definition of "greater than"?? It is simply a human competitive concept thst has no place in the God head

Truthseeker10:
Explain....you brought the concept of "person"

You are the one insisting on pinning everything exactly down instead of accepting you really don't have the language to give exact definitions of these things

Truthseeker10:
You've clearly explained that manifestation is "Father" and "son". So why will "son" say that "father" is greater?

How many times will you be told:
The issue of greater or less than does not arise. Such concept has no place in the God head

Truthseeker10:
So what concept gave you the initiative to say that Father and Son are "two seperate" persons if you are not an hypocrite?

What donyou understand is meant by "person"?

Truthseeker10:
Your hypocrisy is funny. You claimed that God commotion be "greater than" himself. You understood the meaning of "greater than" in that context.

Now you've explained that God Manifest as Father and Son and that these are two different persons. So what exactly is stopping you from accepting that one of the persons claimed that the other person Is "greater than" him. Why have you all of a sudden lost the definition of "greater"?

I don't understand. What is "commotion"?

Truthseeker10:
This same Manifestation of God that you call Jesus claimed that another Manifestation of God called Father was greater than him. So if a lesser Manifestation of God was worshipped, How can you claim that Worshipping Jesus was worshipping the Almighty God?

"Greater or less than" is competitive human concept. They'd paraphrase anything said in those terms even if that was not what was exactly said

Truthseeker10:
Oga kindly explain what a Manifestation "greater than" another Manifestation really means.

You can't even explain what Manifestation really means, yet you're delving into when and where which Manifestations are greater than which!

Truthseeker10:
Oga Jesus whom you claimed is a manifestation of God claimed that another Manifestation of God is greater than him and you are telling me that that statement has no meaning?

As said, we know how humans are about remembering exactly what was told them and repeating it exactly! If you go back to the original source you'd find that "greater than" is NOT what you think!

Truthseeker10:
So if you agree that the father and son are different persons of the same God, what does it mean for a person to be greater than another person?

Truthseeker10:
So if Jesus and the Father are two different persons of the same God, explain what it means for a person to be greater than another person?

Doesn't apply.
With due respect you're being repetitively obtuse

Truthseeker10:
You should answer sir.....you were the one that brought the issue of "worship" as a means to identify the "Almighty God".

I honestly don't know what you're driving at. Worship is only a small part of proof of Jesus divinity. He was worshipped, AS GOD! He was foretold as God coming, said He was God when He came, was worshipped as a new-born by wise men, rose from a horrible DEATH by execution, has been worshipped as God since then, despite dying penniless with no connections and no name!

Antichristian2:
How many people did God struck dead for blasphemy in the entire Bible? That's why the law for Blasphemy was given to Moses by Yahweh! Anyone who blasphemes the name of the Lord will be put to dead! Not God striking him!

Punishment for Blasphemy Leviticus 24:10-16
Now an Israelite woman's son, whose father was an Egyptian, went out among the people of Israel. And the Israelite woman's son and a man of Israel fought in the camp, and the Israelite woman's son blasphemed the Name, and cursed. Then they brought him to Moses. His mother's name was Shelomith, the daughter of Dibri, of the tribe of Dan. And they put him in custody, till the will of the Lord should be clear to them.

Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Bring out of the camp the one who cursed, and let all who heard him lay their hands on his head, and let all the congregation stone him. And speak to the people of Israel, saying, Whoever curses his God shall bear his sin. Whoever blasphemes the name of the Lord shall surely be put to death. All the congregation shall stone him. The sojourner as well as the native, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death.

There's no 10 dimensional tirick to calling three Gods one! No Mathematics can calculate that! Yeah, God created time and controls it as He wills. If you says how can God change when change is a function of time, then are those Bible verses false?

Jesus never existed outside time! But God created time!

Where did he claim he was God?

Where exactly did he claim to be God without ambiguity?

Yahweh no dey hide say him be God for old testament! He talk am directly without ambiguity!

Isaiah 45:5
I am the LORD, and there is no other; there is no God but Me.

Deuteronomy 32:39
See now that I am He; there is no God besides Me. I bring death and I give life; I wound and I heal, and there is no one who can deliver from My hand.

Isaiah 44:6
Thus says the LORD, the King and Redeemer of Israel, the LORD of Hosts: “I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God but Me.

Isaiah 44:8
Do not tremble or fear. Have I not told you and declared it long ago? You are My witnesses! Is there any God but Me? There is no other Rock; I know not one.”

Hosea 13:4
Yet I am the LORD your God ever since the land of Egypt; you know no God but Me, for there is no Savior besides Me.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

See the verse above one God not three in one God and Jesus is a man!

John 17:3
Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.

There's only one true God and Jesus Christ is his messenger! Thank God you agree the Bible has been revised and re-revised for years!

With due respect, you're beginning to sound repetitively obtuse. EVERYONE WHO HEARD HIM DIRECTLY KNEW HE WAS CLAIMING TO BE GOD. You can't know better than them 2000 years later from reading words passed from person to person (and we know how humans are about remembering exactly what was told them and repeating it exactly!)

There is blasphemy then there is BLASPHEMY! How many Israelites claimed to be God, then not only did God not strike them down but actually rose them from the DEAD (he could have simply let them stay dead) to be worshipped exactly as God for 2000+ years, prospering his worshippers?? You are implying that God is totally powerless or nonexistent or totally uninvolved!

Truthseeker10:
According to your analogy above, Was Jesus the father himself?

Two Persons (" manifestations"} of same ONE God!

Truthseeker10:
You claimed Jesus was worshipped means he Is the Almighty God. Who was Worshipped in Matthew 18:26?

You tell us, WHO?

Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣Kindly explain John 14:28.

King James Bible
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I

Explain the bolded above.

A thing cannot be greater or less than itself. BUT humans think in those terms. Also, remember you're reading a translation of a translation of words passed person to person by mouth. I bet if you go to the original source "greater than" is not what you think.
Father and Son are different persons of same God. Equality and inequality does not arise!

Truthseeker10:
Please be plain. Is Jesus the Almighty God? Yes or no?
If seeing Jesus is seeing the Almighty, why would he also claim that the Father is greater than him?

Because HUMANS think in those terms when in fact no such context exists between the Father and the Son. A thing cannot be greater than itself

Truthseeker10:
If equality does not matter, what Is the essence of the statement in John 14:28?

It does not apply, just as time does not apply.
But humans think in those terms, hence John 14

Truthseeker10:
Below is Matthew 18:26.

King James Bible
The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.

According to the verse above, Who did Jesus claim was worshipped?

Red herring. What has this to do with the discussion?

Antichristian2:
I have been answering youi but you have eyes but no insight! The last time i quoted about 5 verses calling Jesus man not God! And you are still here in delusion claiming i didn't answer! What are the Bible verses for?

You were asked straightforward questions: why didn't God strike an extremely blasphemous person dead? Instead he rose from DEAD and has been worshipped as God for now 2000+ years! Are you saying God is powerless?
You were also asked, if He wasn't God, what was He??

Abeg enough of all these mysteries even Jesus himself cannot explain! You are using modern day theoretical physics to explain your Jesus of over 2000 years ago, no be madness be that? You can even say Jesus existed before the father!

O! Thank you but what about Numbers 23:19 - God is not a man, so he does not lie. He is not human, so he does not change his mind. Is this a contradiction?

1 Samuel 15:29 - God is not a man!
Moreover, the Glory of Israel does not lie or change His mind, for He is not a man, that He should change His mind.”

Malachi 3:6 - God does not change!
“Because I, the LORD, do not change, you descendants of Jacob have not been destroyed.

But later God changed and became man!

You are the one mentioning quantum Physics, not me.
Once again we come up against trying to define 10-dimension from 2-dimension. How can God change when change is a function of TIME, and God exists outside time?? Let's hear you clearly answer that one (you'd soon claim you answered it!)

Jesus is fully man and nowhere did he call himself God (Yahweh)! Anyone can be God (Elohim) as Satan is the God of this world according to 2 Corinthians 4:4. Yes, seeing the messenger is like seeing the master! Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of Israel.

Jesus was called a Prophet (Matthew 21:11, Luke 24:19). He accepted this role, noting that "a prophet is not without honor except in his hometown" (Mark 6:4).

Everybody who heard Him directly KNEW he was claiming to be God, including the apostles and extremely biblically versed high priests. How do you (who read what was passed from person to person by mouth till it was finally written down then translated and re-translated, then revised and re-revised) know better than them?? Answer that clearly

pipnator00:
We may not agree to their kind of love but that doesn't make it illegal (as long as there no law prohibiting such love in their country) or call for them to harmed. Learn to live and let other live. How two adults live their lives should be your worries!

See red herring and strawman! Who is talking of Illegality? We are talking of displaying deviant behaviour in public. That's why we post "viewer discretion advised"!

Janosky:
Are you listening to yourself?
Jesus is a Jew .
He knows that @ Exodus 3:12,14 the Hebrew word Hayah/Ehyeh is " I will be."
Jesus knows that Exodus 3:12,14 has no connection to " Iam " @John 8:24,58.

@ John 5:18,Father means Senior.
The Jews said Jesus called God his Father(Senior). Why do you deceive yourself that calling Someone your Senior makes you equal to your Senior?
@ John 19:7,@ Matt 26:63-65,the chief priest said "Jesus made himself son of God.
Oga,go read am in your Bible.
Or

The disciples forgave sins, raised up the dead.
Peter the apostle was worshipped.
Does that make Peter God?
Abeg , don't deceive yourself.
John 17:7 is in your Bible.
But God his Father (Senior) owns everything & is Supreme. 1 Cor 11:3. Hebrew6:13.

Here you are, still parsing words. He said much more than what made into your version of a version of a translation of a transliteration of your revised version of the Bible! EVERYBODY THERE UNDERSTOOD HE WAS CLAIMING TO BE GOD!! Including the disciples! If He wasn't God, what was He?? Why did God allow that an extremely blasphemous person be allowed to rise from DEAD and be worshipped as God for now 2000+ years??
Was Peter prophesied as God coming to stay with us? Did Peter say he'd enter any person's heart? Was Peter worshipped by wise men as a new-born of a common carpenter? Did anybody ever say Peter was claiming to be God??

Truthseeker10:
If Jesus is God, does that mean he is the Almighty God?

explain John 14:28

Already explained above. Best way to ROUGHLY put it from our human perspective is that He is a manifestation of the Almighty God. As He Himself said, seeing Him is NOT just like seeing the Almighty, it is ACTUALLY seeing the Almighty!

Truthseeker10:
You mean Jesus was all of this without being equal with the father according to John 14:28?

Equality or inequality does not apply between the Father and the Son. It is an attribute of our competitive world. Once again this is like trying to describe a 10-dimensional world from ours. What you're trying to do is ROUGHLY like saying that Moint Everest is greater than one of it's summits - which is also 100% the same Mount Everest!

Ok, why women? Why can't a man start these businesses

Dpaulie:
Like you guys are happy with this your sit at home and proud of it?

We stumbled unto the right way things should be. Before you know it the weekend is over, fiam! That Monday sit-at-home balances things, gives traders a normal 2-day weekend

Abufo:
where are the sociologists to do some actual fieldwork..........the sit at home has gone beyond kanu now.......traders love the monday sit at home cos it relaxes their frayed nerves! Fot traders even sundays is not a rest day.......cos of lots of social engagemnents after sunday services at churches.............it will take a miracle and an improved economy to get traders to break the sit at home!

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And I don't blame them at all. Believe me it will increase life expectancy. Give people time to pay attention to their health and sundry matters. There has to be more to life than chasing money!

Abike Dabiri, see your life

GodisStriking:
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This guy has pushed his obsession with Michelle into AI!😅
Oga, either way you slice it, Michelle is a beautiful NATURAL woman! See her from birth below.

** The LAST thing a black family would ever do is turn their son into a girl!

pipnator00:
Are you jealous of them?
Face front, mind your business.
Their lives, however they wish to live it, their business!

People ought know they shouldn't flaunt deviant behavior. Homosexuality IS deviant behavior. Same way you don't flaunt you tongue kiss your dog or any such thing. That's why people put "graphic" or "viewer discretion"

dotunibrahim7:
In Nigeria people only eat protein during festive period

Kobojunkie:
Exactly! And usually one day out of the entire festival period, too.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Kobojunkie:
If you solve diet, you increase the chances of everything else including electricity being solved..🥱🥱

Nigeria needs better brains to solve problems with. The first step towards that is eating a diet that would help develop those brains it needs. 🥱🥱

You are all wrong. Same way Nigerians eat too little protein, Westerners eat waay too much protein (which is much worse pertaining to longevity - google it).
It boils down to heaith care and infant/maternal mortality. Past age 60 any difference is entirely due to heathcare!