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davidylan:
Making that statement was not in any intended to force an opinion on you, i simply made an observation from reading the entire thread from begining to end. you NEVER at any point directly addressed the various explanations offered to you, rather going right back to your opinion at every response from you.

sorry if you can't take honest but frank opinion.

This is not an argument really but a huge farce - several instances were Christ DIRECTLY addressed Himself as THE FATHER have been put forward, there have been postings on verses where Christ and the other apostles clearly indicated that the FATHER, SON and the SPIRIT are ONE, you dismissed all that.

The bible is written in plain language . . . but it takes the Spirit to fully comprehend it. Its not a book that brooks varying opinions, it is either you understand it or you don't.

and d fact that sm people c,laim to know it all,does not mean they should take theirselves as d only people that understands d bible,d bible is complex,d way u might understand urs might not be d way i understand mine,but its not reason enough to make it look as if others r reading d bible like a novel

nobody knows it all

Pataki:
@ rampant,

I believe you raised concerns about this posts? My honest answer is that it bothers on Jesus showing us what humility is about. Even though he had power to call himself good, he wanted us to realize that every good and perfect gifts comes from the LORD.

see its not as if,i dont get y'all from ur own point of view,i do

but y on earth did he deny that word GOOD?yes he was man,but he was also wtout sin while on earth,yet he still claimed hes father is d good one

maybe angels too r wtout sin,but it doesnt mean dat they r Gods on their own

he was man on earth but no sin was found in him,so also r d angels of God(or is there r chapter in d bible talking about d sins of angles?)  even we sef wen everybody leaves d world(like we all have been hearing) if we end up in d bossom of our GOD,we will all be wtout sin,or no be so?

wen lucifer sinned he was cast down immediately,dat place is a place(heaven) of no sin,so him christ being wtout sin does not make him God

Pataki:
We seem to be drifting away from the point now. Jesus is the Son of God, we are both agreed on that.

God manifested himself in three dimensions, God the Father, God the Son (WORD), and God the Spirit.

If ordinary WATER can manifest itself in three different states of matter as solid, liquid and gas, what makes you think God cannot do much more?

Back to the issue of Lucifer, he tried to equate himself to God, and he got punished and will still be punished for it. Jesus came onto the earth in human form, spoke of how he knows of the Father and he is the only way to get to the Father, and yet God never punished him for equating himself to the Father.

I really do not know where and why you are getting confused about Jesus being God.

you're missing d point pataki not me,jesus is d right hand of his father,God never punished him because he never disobeyed God,he was d one sent to save us,so y shouldnt he be d pathway to get to God?

one of d angels would have done it too,just because he was d one that made himself available and sacrificed himself for us,does not make him God

Brash!:
sweet reply sweety!

thank u mi loff   i was enjoying d argument wt pataki and co

even pataki sef took it cool wt me,alongside queenisha,they never tried to force their opinions on me,just because i chose to believe what i believe ,smone is telling me that im in one entrenched position

where is pataki jooo,lets continue wt d argument

davidylan:
Rampant, it doesnt seem you're even bothering to read the explanations everyone is posting, you just wave them aside and go back to your entrenched position.

Why did Christ allow mortal man to crucify Him?
- Why did Christ allow Himself to be born of mortal flesh?
- Why did Christ speak to all in parables?

There are so many why's you can ask of the scriptures . . . it is not enough to keep asking why when the answers are right there in the bible.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

My answer is in highlights.

Please help me with this reference.

we have been arguing here ,pple have been posting their own contributions,but nobody has forced his/her own opinion on anybody

that i choose to believe watever i want to believe ,does not mean im in any entrenched positon,its wat i choose to believe i believe

have a nice day

JESUS DENIED DIVINITY
Mark 10:17-18 and Luke 18:18-19
These verses are most indicative of Jesus' position and real nature. The verse in Mark reads:
"As he [Jesus] was setting out on a journey, a man ran up and knelt before him, and asked him, 'Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?' Jesus said to him, 'Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone."

david and pataki look at this

@david

you're still going back to square one,all that we have treated

if he was God why was he always praying to God?where have u seen God praying to jesus or himself in d bible?


why was he always telling pple dat hes doing the work of his father that sent him?

im saying this for the upteenth time,he is d root and pathway to get to his father,but he is not d father,before u get to God,what r your confessions?


"i believe u sent your son to die for us"  or is it "God i believed u died for me"

the bibloe recorded it that God himself asked who will go and save d world?everybeing kept quiet,until his son walked up to him ,knelt down  and said  "father send me,i will go"  that son of his ,is our pathway to righteousness but he is not God

dis will answer ur question

pataki was  lucifer an angel or the son of God?

christ himself was quoting my father,myfather in d bible,he always reverenced his father,d glory of his father he gave to him


lucifer wanted to be a God of his own,wt his own kingdom,whereby watever contract he has wt God will be annulled or canceld,christ never for one day asked for a kingdom of his own(atleast im yet to see it in d bible) and neither did he stop obeying his father

onyinye2:
I feel Jesus is the Son of God and God lived through him.

nobody is denying that fact,nobody is even arguing that one sef,but because he is d son of God does not make him God

he is our channel to get to God,hes d root that leads us to his father,but he is not his father

davidylan:
Are we using the same bible? Mine says Jesus is God. John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Jesus Christ existed before Abraham? Na bible talk am, not me.

christ and his father existed even before abraham,though we all don't know about their existense,but he was d son of God ,meaning he should be before abraham,even d angles of God were there not to talk of jesus his own son


@Gamine

hit your head on d wall

pataki i still don't get u

we all know that jesus is d SON of God,and d only way we can get to God is through him(jesus) with our normal prayer of "in jesus name" but he's not GOD

God himself called him his son,hes the link to get to God  matthew 5:13   "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.  

it doesnt make him God

LMAO @david

@topic

jesus is not God,he prayed to God while on earth,he asked God for advises while on earth,he most definitely cannot be God

Pataki:
Would you like me to use the scriptures to elucidate further?

go ahead

i wonder wen d son of God became God

pataki how come u forgot to add the 5th verse of that chapter?

Queenisha:
The reference I made to turning water into wine was just to say that we can never understand fully how miracles occur.
And in the same way cannot understand God and his ways fully.
His ways are higher than our ways says the Bible.
God can do all things including coming down as man to save man.

I already answered you that Christ was 100% man so he felt pain and cried.
When God decided to come down and reconcile man to himself,he did not forfeit his Godly attributes.

yes i agree wt u,but dis time it was his son he sent to come down and save the world,john 3:16 clearly stated it osisi

if God comes down as God ,tell me who he will be praying to

if God was d one dat came down to save d world,who will he be calling----------father why have thou forsaken me?

God is a being of his own,dat needs nobodys recommendation before he does watever he wants to do

jesus asked and craved for God every minute of d day while on earth,and weneva he talked he always uses ------"my father" ,  "in my fathers house"

haba hes words were eli eli ma'ma sabachthani ----meaning my God my God y have thou forsaken me

john10

36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

37If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

@queenisha

sorry but i don't go wt it

his turning water into wine was done by the Power given to him by God

he even said greater works i did on earth u can do,so if a man of God turns water into wine in this generation,will u also call him God?

if he was God ,tell me why he kept praying to God ?y was he always in communication wt God,why did d shed d tears of ---father y have thou forsaken me?

ive never read a part in bible where God was praying to jesus,or praying to himself d way christ did

even the last day ,when God will manifest himself is a day Jesus christ does not even know,except God himself

ba2undey:
But if you are correcting someone you should also try to watch yourself because in your post you mentioned "when john was baptising him in d water,d dove descended and said --------this is my beloved son ,in whom i am well pleased" do you really think GOD gat a wife for him to have a son or was he born for him to reborn or what

and if u r asking questions ,ask questions dat r nt mysterious ,cos nobody knows how God himself came into existence and how christ too came into existence,we onlky know of d one dat he came to d earth as man,but we dont know of how he came to live in heaven

so mr man wat exactly is your point?

matthew18:10

Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.


matthew 18:19

19Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.

if truly he was God why did he keep praying to God,ive never read in d bible of a place where God prayed to himself

jesus is a path way to get to God,but he is not God,cos while he was on earth,he was always praying to God for grace and strength and wisdom

queenisha r u saying jesus is God?

olabowale:
Jesus did not only say that he is not good, or good enough, but clearly says that he is not God because the one who is good is God. Deal with that, woman. You can quote every one else, if they are different from Jesus statement about himself, then will you say that Jesus is wrong and those others are right, correct?

for once i agree wt u

even jesus said ----------- no one gets to my father but through me

on d cross his tears were---father father y have thou forsaken me?

when john was baptising him in d water,d dove descended and said --------this is my beloved son ,in whom i am well pleased

so poster jesus is not God

Queenisha:
welu  nwayo nwanne m nwanyi.
olabowole bu dimkpa nwoke.
Onwere ike ibu age mate papa gi ha
I nu
meere ya ebere
agwazina ya okwu ojoo

adanma

ooo anugo mu,mana o'ne we nmadu iwe


@olabowale

sorry for all d insults lets start all over again,but dis time as friends

javalove:
[b]Jesus is definately not God, he can't be and will never be. No matter how u try to twist the thing. He can't creat, he was created. [/b]God is independent of everything he has created. He doesnt need the sun, the moon, food, water and all, Jesus needed them tosurvive on earth. If the breeze siezed, he had no power to unsieze it,

uve said it all my brother

even the well known john3:16 said it all

olabowale:
@Rampant: Abi oooooo, why would you not fight for son god, or father god, or holy spirit god? You will let them be killed again, and again, and again, maybe this time without the cross? Anu mpam! I am learning from you. You are a good teacher, even though your method is terrible.

take a chill pill anumanu i know i always hurt ur feelings wt my replies,but who cares? u r a psycho and im sure u will soon be promoted to the level of unending -madness,so y should i bother myself

is dis thread still on?


hehehe una go kill unaself for oyedepo case

Again nobody mentioned what the man said and even if he did, why fight for your god?.

abi oooooo,y fight for their God/god,he should be capable of fighting the battle himself?

r u pple so lazy dat u cant go out and search out ur girls/guys urselves?

oziomatv:
   You girls tagged us flirt whenever we respond to an unknown female so I have to wash my hands clean first.
          Igbo si ana ajugbu ajugbu eri.

where did u get your conclusions from ?na waoooooo

so since u joined dis forum, its only people u know that u say hi to on this forum right?storryyyyyyy abeg keep quiet ,hisssss

oziomatv:
Please explain yourself your ID s not familiar,

keep waiting until i explain myself,since u cant even say a simple hallo

eclear:
Hmm that's not a bad adivice afterall.

dats cowardice


@topic

tell her,its better to end it now than marry out of pity

but uve got to be sure of d feelings u have for both girls

all this foolish oyibos that still feels love is blind are crazy

how could she reject a contract like that?she needs to be stoned to death anu mpama


ozioma hallo

michelin89:
Why are you trying to deny a simple reality? What does it take to make a man Hot? 

Even a handshake is enough! 

handshake ke?just look at him its enough to turn him on