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CultureRe: Why Is It Only Africans That Have Tribes? by RandomAfricanAm: 5:44am On Dec 24, 2014
I actually have the English language edition of that book here in my library were the Portuguese came Africa looking for the Christian kingdom of "Prester john" and got caught up in a warfare version of doubles with Abyssinia & Portuguese v.s. Somalis & Ottomans

You just reminded me of something else I wanted to add in the way of topics/angles that people don't discus a lot. Though I'm sleepy now(6 hour accelerated Training sessions for a new job) so I'll add it tomorrow.

Peace
CultureRe: Why Is It Only Africans That Have Tribes? by RandomAfricanAm: 2:31am On Dec 24, 2014
Axum brings up a point that is seldom mentioned and hardly ever elaborated. That is "colonialism" hit different groups drastically different(some hardly at all) as he mentioned Somali we could also look at the dogon, tuareg, nuba or even 'mande of Liberia' and 'Buganda of Uganda' who "signed" land over to Europeans but were left alone to various degrees politically/militarily until much later.

To put it simply unless you were in a trade zone for resources or an immediate political/military threat to Europeans accessing those resources you probably weren't in the path of the harshest threats to your culture

(even missionaries didn't go far past trade zones, only "adventurers" did that).
CultureRe: Why Is It Only Africans That Have Tribes? by RandomAfricanAm: 8:42am On Dec 22, 2014
itstpia100:
tribes are not defined by numbers but rather by the fact of colonization.

it is futile to take offence at a depiction when you know the reality remains what it is.
Oh this going to be real good....!
1.So, what is this reality that is?
2.Defined by whom?
3.Why should anyone here abide by this defined reality?
4.In the event that anyone refuses to abide by this "definition" who's going to enforce their abdication?
CultureRe: Why Is It Only Africans That Have Tribes? by RandomAfricanAm: 6:16am On Dec 20, 2014
itstpia8:
Tribes are used to refer to people who are colonized.


Its not necessarily derogatory, but used more as an identifier to know which ethnicity, ideology or country they identify with more.
Personally my issue isn't about the extent to which the term is derogatory or not, it's the extent to which it distorts the issue at hand.

To piggyback off of axum...
axum:
Somalis only have one Tribe. We are All Somali, but we have many clans. Clans make up a tribe. Since we are one tribe as Somalis, we don't really use the word tribe but rather just the word Somali.
Most African people were lineages who communicated with other lineages through family heads(representatives) and common trading markets. Europeans would say all these people who may ordinarily not be seen as "one people" as a tribe because they shared words & interacted together or had the same "material culture" some times even if they spoke different dialects.

One lineage could also serve as the central nexus point for the other 8-12 lineages who again might not consider themselves "one people" but interact together for mutual benefit**politics**. Europeans would come down and say these people are all the "tribe" of that central nexus lineage reguardless of how they saw themselves.


Sidenote:
If those same Europeans come down and blowup the political balance that those lineages made for themselves, then calling that tribalism is missing the larger point.
CultureRe: Why Is It Only Africans That Have Tribes? by RandomAfricanAm: 3:45am On Dec 20, 2014
@odumchi:

This is also the reason people so often speak of the past. It's not some empty rhetoric, it's a useful means to clarify contemporary issues.

If rainfall dries up for 10 years you can't properly recover from those years of drought and famine when the rains come back if you let someone manipulate you into thinking the issue is really about your people being lazy & not knowing how to farm instead of the real issue of drought. Yes we can talk about ways to mitigate the effects in the future but lets not be led astray from the primary issue.

Claiming that someone cataloging the variety of food stuff, farming locations, water sources, etc as "living in the past" as opposed to praising them for noting what our collective ancestors left us to help in the current rebuilding/recovery effort is ridiculous but far to often is expressed by people who pat themselves on the back while thinking they are being "realistic" undecided huh
CultureRe: Why Is It Only Africans That Have Tribes? by RandomAfricanAm: 1:00am On Dec 20, 2014
odumchi:
It's because our peoples were called 'tribes' by our conquerors, who deemed us an inferior class of subhuman beings who (according to them) indulged in nothing more than unclothedness and human-sacrifice, all whilst dwelling in simple mud huts. Personally, that's what comes to mind when I hear the word 'tribe'. It's very unfortunate that we've lost this **ideological war**, as Africans even use it to describe themselves. It's a huge pity.
Exactly what I'm saying, that's why I'm not really having as big an issue with the OP as I might otherwise because I understand the conditions that would cause him to state it in that way(even though it's still "wrong" ).

I've been fighting myself to go ahead and make a post on the foundational issue(to all the culture section) of **semantic & epistemological traps** that people so often fall in, as shown by this topic. It really hinders our ability to see & discuss the real issue when people fall into these common traps.
CultureRe: Why Is It Only Africans That Have Tribes? by RandomAfricanAm: 5:10pm On Dec 19, 2014
The ignorance(on multiple levels) of this entire question is maddening.

That said I think the OP has something in mind but doesn't have the words to express it. I question if the mere existence of "tribes"(which isn't even an African word *like I said sad on multiple levels* ) is his concern it's just the only fraise he has to express it.
CultureRe: Nigerian Gay Guy Kills Self After He Was Attacked by RandomAfricanAm: 2:09am On Dec 19, 2014
I thought we weren't suppose to talk about this topic? huh
I catch flack when I comment on the topic.
CultureRe: Why Is It Only Africans That Have Tribes? by RandomAfricanAm: 1:47am On Dec 19, 2014
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CultureRe: Amazing Discovery! Bishop T.D. Jakes Is An Igbo Man. by RandomAfricanAm: 4:00am On Dec 18, 2014
Before I reply further is this the totality of your argument/premise? huh
CultureRe: Amazing Discovery! Bishop T.D. Jakes Is An Igbo Man. by RandomAfricanAm: 2:00am On Dec 18, 2014
Radoillo:
Um... this is kinda really old news.

And the whole DNA thing has been shown to be rather misleading.
How so?
CultureRe: Culture; Unclad Reed Dance In Swaziland Pics by RandomAfricanAm: 5:12pm On Dec 17, 2014
wimpey:
I think these pictures are great . It is important that people preserve some of their culture and the Reed Dances are part of that. It is also true that Western influence has sexualized things that were quite innocent in the past . The West has much to learn fro Africa .
I don't want to criticize the USA but in Europe I don't think people are as uptight about nudity . It is quite common to see women topless on many of the beaches in Southern Europe and no one takes a second glance . I will post two pictures . One of a ladies at a Reed Dance and the other of a woman on a beach in Europe . Both are beautiful and not sexual at all.
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RandomAfricanAm:
I don't think anything is inherently wrong with "Unclad girls" or na.ked girls/people at all. Nu.dity was/is religious European & Arab insecurities that was imparted on others. I have a problem with trying to market sex in an attempt to sell me something as though it's some kind of common denominator that goes with everything from Breakfast cereal to New cars.

Actually ...I don't have a problem with "Unclad girls" or sex. I have a problem with insulting lots of peoples intelligence by lazily pandering to the idea of ("Unclad girls" or sex) to sell stuff.

It's like Hollywood movies where everything has to have a love interest and a happy ending. It's just lazy, be adventurous and explore the world of ideas!
CultureRe: Why Africa/ Nigeria Deserves To Be Exploited And Plundered by RandomAfricanAm: 10:05pm On Dec 16, 2014
Fulaman198 you are truly an African voice in an African body and one of the few articulate ones around here, bless you.
CultureRe: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by RandomAfricanAm: 7:25am On Dec 14, 2014
PAPAAFRICA:
you should post whatever you were thinking of posting, you make great contributions.
ahhh, you're hitting my guilt button haha grin
CultureRe: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by RandomAfricanAm: 3:44am On Dec 14, 2014
PAPAAFRICA:
Thread took an interesting twist.
Actually I'm a bit disappointed because there are deep issues no one is hitting. Though I don't really blame anyone here. I actually keep kicking myself because I don't feel like making the contribution I should be making.

I'm trying to cox myself into it right now actually.
CultureRe: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by RandomAfricanAm: 11:28am On Dec 13, 2014
RandomAfricanAm:
That said I'll say this much...
1. the idea of dropping western influenced history(oral or written)
As an analytical frame work: it's great because it puts you in a position to ask some great, even unique questions.
As an ideology: I reject it outright because it's simply not necessary and all data is equal questionable regardless of medium until corroborated.

2. The fundamental issue around African "slavery" isn't actually "slavery" so much as the issue of semantic & epistemological traps; which is just as much a mental issue as a historical one. Thing is this is an issue of fundamental importance to all of the culture section not just this topic.
CultureRe: Africans must Reject White Man's Version Of Our History by RandomAfricanAm: 6:14am On Dec 12, 2014
sigh....ok so after reading the first 6 pages I saw the potential in this topic that's not really being reached. It's hinted at but doesn't quite get there. I'm hesitant to reply because...
1. it will be lengthy
2. the true issue not being discussed actually needs it's own thread because it has implications for pretty much everything we discuss in the culture thread

When I saw kingston277(I know I can get a good dialogue outta him) pitch in I read the last 2 pages. So now I'm trying to decide if I want to reply here or make a new thread.

That said I'll say this much...
1. the idea of dropping western influenced history(oral or written)
As an analytical frame work: it's great because it puts you in a position to ask some great, even unique questions.
As an ideology: I reject it outright because it's simply not necessary and all data is equal questionable regardless of medium until corroborated.

2. The fundamental issue around African "slavery" isn't actually "slavery" so much as the issue of semantic & epistemological traps; which is just as much a mental issue as a historical one. Thing is this is an issue of fundamental importance to all of the culture section not just this topic.

These are the reasons I'm hesitant to reply in full(here at least)
CultureRe: If Only Our Ladies Will Adhere To This Advise Marriages Would Be Saved. by RandomAfricanAm: 5:50pm On Dec 11, 2014
Hmm... interesting.
CultureRe: Discuss: Black Americans Do Not Have A Language by RandomAfricanAm: 5:30pm On Dec 11, 2014
MOBJECTIVE:
Right. So when this occurred to me I was surprised i'd never thought of it before. There is a distinction between not knowing how to speak your language, and not having a language. So I want to know if this is a big deal to Black Americans and also if an average black American sees English as his language, or if black Americans have evolved a language they hold in esteem that most people don't know about?


Can anyone indulge my interest. It's racist I know, but races exist and I don't pretend otherwise undecided
True but the distinction lies more so in the implications of the means by which you do not know how to speak your language then simply not knowing how to speak it, in which case the outcome is the same either way. So the point should be to assess those implications and figure out how to account for them.


MOBJECTIVE:
...how easily a typical American, black or white can trace their history, past the point of immigration into America, up to their ancestral race. (this sounds so weird, but yeah, i think that what i want to know)
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This is the real question to be asked. Everything else is just mental fumbling around to get to this question. The answer is DNA(African Americans) versus word of mouth from family(European Americans).
CultureRe: Discuss: Black Americans Do Not Have A Language by RandomAfricanAm: 5:01pm On Dec 11, 2014
RandomAfricanAm:
this is one of those topics that seem like a good idea on the surface but falls apart after more thought. sorta like the no culture comment above all people have a "culture"

When people say things like this topic I think they mean something more specific but can't quite find the words to articulate it clearly.
MOBJECTIVE:
It seems RandomAfricanAm was right. I dont just mean they dont have a language, obviously English is their language. ...

...i simply want to know if this is true. and how easily a typical American, black or white can trace their history, past the point of immigration into America, up to their ancestral race. (this sounds so weird, but yeah, i think that what i want to know)

Its very easy to see that black Americans have their own culture, I dont have any disagreements with this.
Now you have narrowed it down to a more concise question.
CultureRe: Discuss: Black Americans Do Not Have A Language by RandomAfricanAm: 10:32am On Dec 11, 2014
Hip hop or Hip-Hop is the form of music expression and artistic culture that originated in African-American communities during the 1970s in New York City. DJ Afrika Bambaataa outlined the four pillars of Hip-hop culture: MCing, DJing, breaking and graffiti writing. Other elements include beatboxing.

Hip hop culture
https://www.princeton.edu/.../Hip_hop_culture.html
9 elements of hip hop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tUaGFI2m5Y
CultureRe: Psychological Slavery In Africa by RandomAfricanAm: 8:32am On Dec 11, 2014
The best speaker on this topic is Dr. Marimba Ani her book "Yurugu: an African centered critique of European cultural thought & behavior" Goes deep into this very topic and will make everything you mentioned very clear.

Note: it is an extremely academic book in terms of her terminology.(She's an anthropologist) Some people keep a dictionary handy while reading it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4N4QRDmzTE
CultureRe: Discuss: Black Americans Do Not Have A Language by RandomAfricanAm: 7:00am On Dec 11, 2014
this is one of those topics that seem like a good idea on the surface but falls apart after more thought. sorta like the no culture comment above all people have a "culture"

When people say things like this topic I think they mean something more specific but can't quite find the words to articulate it clearly.
Foreign AffairsRe: USA: Ferguson Police Officer Found Not Guilty by RandomAfricanAm: 11:35pm On Nov 25, 2014
igbo2011:
Why are people surprised?

At the end if the day until Africa is free no African in the woldl is free.
Truth!!!
CultureRe: Culture; Unclad Reed Dance In Swaziland Pics by RandomAfricanAm: 10:07pm On Nov 16, 2014
joannes7:
hmmmm.... guys will have to visit this zone to see things for themselves.... but this is beautiful .. in a natural, non-sexual way...
It's actually when I see stuff like this that I realize how much foreigners screwed up our ideas about men & women by over sexualizing everything. That's one reason I always side eye feminist. Short of virginity African people weren't making some huge deal about sex and how women need to express there bodies & themselves sexually. African people didn't give a damn about a women walking around naked those are imported insecurities surrounding the body.

That's not to say there were no issues but they certainly weren't the same ones European and arab women faced.

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