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I actually have the English language edition of that book here in my library were the Portuguese came Africa looking for the Christian kingdom of "Prester john" and got caught up in a warfare version of doubles with Abyssinia & Portuguese v.s. Somalis & Ottomans You just reminded me of something else I wanted to add in the way of topics/angles that people don't discus a lot. Though I'm sleepy now(6 hour accelerated Training sessions for a new job) so I'll add it tomorrow. Peace |
Axum brings up a point that is seldom mentioned and hardly ever elaborated. That is "colonialism" hit different groups drastically different(some hardly at all) as he mentioned Somali we could also look at the dogon, tuareg, nuba or even 'mande of Liberia' and 'Buganda of Uganda' who "signed" land over to Europeans but were left alone to various degrees politically/militarily until much later. To put it simply unless you were in a trade zone for resources or an immediate political/military threat to Europeans accessing those resources you probably weren't in the path of the harshest threats to your culture (even missionaries didn't go far past trade zones, only "adventurers" did that). |
itstpia100:Oh this going to be real good....! 1.So, what is this reality that is? 2.Defined by whom? 3.Why should anyone here abide by this defined reality? 4.In the event that anyone refuses to abide by this "definition" who's going to enforce their abdication? |
itstpia8:Personally my issue isn't about the extent to which the term is derogatory or not, it's the extent to which it distorts the issue at hand. To piggyback off of axum... axum:Most African people were lineages who communicated with other lineages through family heads(representatives) and common trading markets. Europeans would say all these people who may ordinarily not be seen as "one people" as a tribe because they shared words & interacted together or had the same "material culture" some times even if they spoke different dialects. One lineage could also serve as the central nexus point for the other 8-12 lineages who again might not consider themselves "one people" but interact together for mutual benefit**politics**. Europeans would come down and say these people are all the "tribe" of that central nexus lineage reguardless of how they saw themselves. Sidenote: If those same Europeans come down and blowup the political balance that those lineages made for themselves, then calling that tribalism is missing the larger point. |
@odumchi: This is also the reason people so often speak of the past. It's not some empty rhetoric, it's a useful means to clarify contemporary issues. If rainfall dries up for 10 years you can't properly recover from those years of drought and famine when the rains come back if you let someone manipulate you into thinking the issue is really about your people being lazy & not knowing how to farm instead of the real issue of drought. Yes we can talk about ways to mitigate the effects in the future but lets not be led astray from the primary issue. Claiming that someone cataloging the variety of food stuff, farming locations, water sources, etc as "living in the past" as opposed to praising them for noting what our collective ancestors left us to help in the current rebuilding/recovery effort is ridiculous but far to often is expressed by people who pat themselves on the back while thinking they are being "realistic" ![]() |
odumchi:Exactly what I'm saying, that's why I'm not really having as big an issue with the OP as I might otherwise because I understand the conditions that would cause him to state it in that way(even though it's still "wrong" ). I've been fighting myself to go ahead and make a post on the foundational issue(to all the culture section) of **semantic & epistemological traps** that people so often fall in, as shown by this topic. It really hinders our ability to see & discuss the real issue when people fall into these common traps. |
The ignorance(on multiple levels) of this entire question is maddening. That said I think the OP has something in mind but doesn't have the words to express it. I question if the mere existence of "tribes"(which isn't even an African word *like I said sad on multiple levels* ) is his concern it's just the only fraise he has to express it. |
I thought we weren't suppose to talk about this topic? ![]() I catch flack when I comment on the topic. |
Before I reply further is this the totality of your argument/premise? ![]() |
Radoillo:How so? |
wimpey:^ ^ ^ This RandomAfricanAm: |
Fulaman198 you are truly an African voice in an African body and one of the few articulate ones around here, bless you. |
PAPAAFRICA:ahhh, you're hitting my guilt button haha ![]() |
PAPAAFRICA:Actually I'm a bit disappointed because there are deep issues no one is hitting. Though I don't really blame anyone here. I actually keep kicking myself because I don't feel like making the contribution I should be making. I'm trying to cox myself into it right now actually. |
RandomAfricanAm: |
sigh....ok so after reading the first 6 pages I saw the potential in this topic that's not really being reached. It's hinted at but doesn't quite get there. I'm hesitant to reply because... 1. it will be lengthy 2. the true issue not being discussed actually needs it's own thread because it has implications for pretty much everything we discuss in the culture thread When I saw kingston277(I know I can get a good dialogue outta him) pitch in I read the last 2 pages. So now I'm trying to decide if I want to reply here or make a new thread. That said I'll say this much... 1. the idea of dropping western influenced history(oral or written) As an analytical frame work: it's great because it puts you in a position to ask some great, even unique questions. As an ideology: I reject it outright because it's simply not necessary and all data is equal questionable regardless of medium until corroborated. 2. The fundamental issue around African "slavery" isn't actually "slavery" so much as the issue of semantic & epistemological traps; which is just as much a mental issue as a historical one. Thing is this is an issue of fundamental importance to all of the culture section not just this topic. These are the reasons I'm hesitant to reply in full(here at least) |
Hmm... interesting. |
MOBJECTIVE:True but the distinction lies more so in the implications of the means by which you do not know how to speak your language then simply not knowing how to speak it, in which case the outcome is the same either way. So the point should be to assess those implications and figure out how to account for them. MOBJECTIVE:^ ^ ^ This is the real question to be asked. Everything else is just mental fumbling around to get to this question. The answer is DNA(African Americans) versus word of mouth from family(European Americans). |
RandomAfricanAm: MOBJECTIVE:Now you have narrowed it down to a more concise question. |
Hip hop or Hip-Hop is the form of music expression and artistic culture that originated in African-American communities during the 1970s in New York City. DJ Afrika Bambaataa outlined the four pillars of Hip-hop culture: MCing, DJing, breaking and graffiti writing. Other elements include beatboxing.9 elements of hip hop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tUaGFI2m5Y |
The best speaker on this topic is Dr. Marimba Ani her book "Yurugu: an African centered critique of European cultural thought & behavior" Goes deep into this very topic and will make everything you mentioned very clear. Note: it is an extremely academic book in terms of her terminology.(She's an anthropologist) Some people keep a dictionary handy while reading it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4N4QRDmzTE |
this is one of those topics that seem like a good idea on the surface but falls apart after more thought. sorta like the no culture comment above all people have a "culture" When people say things like this topic I think they mean something more specific but can't quite find the words to articulate it clearly. |
igbo2011:Truth!!! |
joannes7:It's actually when I see stuff like this that I realize how much foreigners screwed up our ideas about men & women by over sexualizing everything. That's one reason I always side eye feminist. Short of virginity African people weren't making some huge deal about sex and how women need to express there bodies & themselves sexually. African people didn't give a damn about a women walking around naked those are imported insecurities surrounding the body. That's not to say there were no issues but they certainly weren't the same ones European and arab women faced. |

