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oyeludef:
Do u hate thieves? Would u encourage ur child to continue stealing because he was born dat way?

LaClicKLaBenDin:
1. I already pointed out to you why salvation requires action (faith). Jesus dying for our sin was a ransom paid for our lives and for that ransom to come into effect, one has to meet the only condition, which is faith in Christ. Now is that difficult?

2. You can't inherit salvation from your parents, because salvation is personal, Jesus' death (salvation) only gets activated when you believe.

Like I said earlier, if someone who didn't have to, pays a ransom for your life, and requires you to love him in exchange for what he has done, is it too much to ask?

shadeyinka:
And I think I addressed it. Its not about condemnation, its about the consequence of sin!

ONLY IF A SOLUTION is found! It makes sense my Friend even if you dont like it. Its still a choice you have to make to be free from the consequence of sin or not!

shadeyinka:
Ecclesiastes was speaking about physical death. We've done dis before so I won't go about explaining the duality or trinity of living things

Can an insane mad man be charged to court legally for any offence?
Can an animal be put on trial for any action?
An animal is not bound by any rule therefore they cannot sin

Raphie;
Notice how we have digressed from your main post!

TheSixthSense:
My theology not philosophy

You never said the child did anything wrong, if he did his conscience would accuse him in judgement. If he didn't his conscience would excuse him. The Bible never said everybody is already condemned and heading to the fires. If you know where that is please show me because I'm still learning.

shadeyinka:
Sin nature we inherit from Adam: its like a mutation of the original spiritual nature of ma. We inherit this "mutation" which makes us naturally selfish and sinful.

Each man for himself when it comes to salvation. Even, the "so-called" Born Against are not immune to sinning.

Being Born Again free you from the CONSEQUENCE of the Sin of Adam. Webshall only be perfect After death!

Salvation is not transferable! Its a choice each must make!

FSMs:
Christians Call the Muslim God Allah and Not God why Should Atheist Give Christians the respect By Call Yahweh God and Not Yahweh?

4everGod1:
No my notion is that Oinos is a generic word for Wine in greek but is not specific for alcoholic wine. I am sure tou read rhe new link I sent you thoroughly and agree with it otherwise you would have raised more objections as you are well known to do.

TheSixthSense:
Yes, of course. Aborted babies go to heaven. Children go to heaven. Hell is for the devil and his agents. People who do not know Christ will be judged with their conscience excusing or accusing them. Acts 2. Whoever said because of Adam everyone is damned to hell until someone snatches them? God is just and righteous in judgement. No one will be judged according to what they don't know. Judgement according to works.

LaClicKLaBenDin:
Now let me ask you a very simple question; now, does it take belief for you to be your grandfather's offspring?

Does it take faith for you to inherit your father's estate? By virtue of birth alone, the estate becomes yours, and also his liabilities.

Now, for you to inherit another person's estate, there must be a kind of understand, trust and close relationship between you and that person, and that's because his estate isn't yours by virtue of birth, so something extra must be involved to make you qualify to inherit the estate of another person. I'm consciously using simple human relationships to analyse this write-up, and that's because it's obvious that your intent is to twist the Bible and make God look Wicked or Unjust

If God had to sacrifice His only Son as a ransom for your sins, and simply requires you to believe in Him, is He asking too much? If you were kidnapped and was to be killed, then someone came and offered his own son in your place, with the sole condition that you love him and take him as a father, will you consider the condition mean and unjust?

By your write-up, Adam was the first man, and all that came after, came through him, so, they're interwoven in Adam, and inherited both his assets and liabilities

shadeyinka:
Thanks TomHagen
Hereditary is a natural law of existence.
Just as we inherit genetic makeup, we inherit spiritual makeup.

Even if we don't like what we've inherited, we are not free from their consequences.

In the case where solutions to the problems caused by our inheritance exists, it will never be automatic. We have to choose and take the necessary action for the solution to such problem.

We are not free from the Consequences of the disobedience of Adam and Eve, but we ALL inherit their "spiritual genetic mutation".

Adam was created in the image of God before his " spiritual gene" was contaminated.

After the fall of Adam, he gave birth to children in his own (fallen) image.

About Animals:
Animals are not living (eternal souls) since they are not spirit beings. Only spirit beings live on eternally

There would be animals on the new earth or maybe even in the new heavens. But these are not resurrected animals.

Animals CANNOT commit SIN!

Ecclesiates 3---
21 How can anyone be sure that the human spirit goes upward while an animal's spirit goes down
into the ground?

shadeyinka:
How about other traits: genetic makeup, physiology, etc.

You have focused only about wealth inheritance. Is it wrong for me to inherit my parents strength, speed, height, etc?. You know, I could also inherit from the sickle cell anemia, dwarfism, sluggishness etc.

We see all these above in light of the law of inheritance!

Now, even if I inherited the SS gene, I have the choice of reversing it if a medical solution is discovered. Don't you think so?

Suppose, even after the solution to the SS problem is presented, I choose against it. It can never be the fault of the solution providers. My choice could be based on me enjoying the sympathy people pour on me when I break down.

Whatever the case, by my choice, I have to decide to take the solution or not.

4everGod1:
See why I say nothing would make a blind man see if he has decided to remain blind? I suggest you read up sone more. I have given you a link previously and you still wish to argue so let me give you another.

http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVanswers/2008/04-10b.html

in Bible days there is a word which is used when speaking
of Wine as grape Juice and that word is
Oinos...

OINOS for non alcoholic grape juice (wine) and SHEKAR for alcoholic grape juice
(wine)

As both yayin and oinos are generic words,
they designate the juice of the grape in all its
stages.

shadeyinka:
You are still corroborating my statements. A person has a choice to change the status quo by taking some necessary actions

Why are you so defensively edgy?
I didn't say "Your hatred for God.." , I said "The hatred of God". Its not about you, its a statement

DoctorAlien:
As if anything could answer the "proposition you offered."

TomHagen:
What actions did sickle cell patients take before they became sufferers? Go figure!

DoctorAlien:
Atheists and their puerile logic.

Anyway, let me enlighten you.

Yes Jesus Christ is the only Name given by which men may be saved. However, have you thought of the Patriachs and the Old Testament saints? Did they call on the name of Jesus?

The answer is No and also Yes. While they did not literally call on the name of Jesus(of course GOD the Son was not known as Jesus in the OT), they worshipped Jesus. Jesus Christ is the GOD of the Old Testament. He is the One who appeared to Moses in the burning bush and proclaimed Himself "I AM"(Jn. 8:58). He was the same GOD who came down on Mount Sinai, amidst earthquakes and thunderings, and spoke the eternal 10 Commandments(Jn. 14:15).

Some people who have no knowledge of Christ instinctively obey Christ, and as such, they will be saved(See Rom. 2:14-16. Compare Matt. 7:21).

TomHagen:
Their descendants as well.

shadeyinka:
You kind of forget that the universe and existence are all bound by rules binding on you whether you subscribe to it or not.

Example:
Law of inheritance:
We inherit BOTH the strength and weakness of our fore-parents (good or bad)
We inherit their genetic makeup (good or bad)
We inherit their temperance (good or bad)

We inherit their assets (rich or poor)

Now, on all these, were is the fault of God forcing you to inherit what someone else did? It is part of the laws of existence

The two examples above are examples of how the laws of inheritance works my dear. The hatered of God will not change it. Its like the law of gravity will no be changed because I am about falling from a 10 storey building.

Now, if you didn't ask to be created, its a proof that you were not created because of YOU. Your were created because of the need of the Creator; God!

Changing your status quo is a choice you must make. All God did was to make it easy for even the weak to make it. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved! Simple!

TomHagen:
Huh... This is too vague.

DoctorAlien:
What do you understand by that statement?

TomHagen:
No. They were all held responsible.

DoctorAlien:
Take time to read the post which you quoted.

Ask questions, if you have any.

DoctorAlien:
Jehovah is a GOD of Justice, and as such, Justice is an inextricable part of His judgment.

Ignorant people will go to Heaven. However, before you can be ignorant in the sight of GOD, you must make two claims truthfully:

1. I did not know.

2. I had no way of knowing.

(See 2 Pet. 2:21)

TomHagen:
The 'single story danger' applies when they are other historical sources. Do you have any other source?

TomHagen:
'All Loving' na im we dey talk na.

4everGod1:
you miss the point entirely. English was derived from ancient languages and in those days certan expressions are above the literal english interpretation of then so we make do with the best possible word to fill the gap.

Wine is made from grapes and in Bible days there is a word which is used when speaking of Wine as grape Juice and that word is Oinos...this word is greek..The greek word that speaks on wine with alcoholic content is known as Shekar..

Wine in those days were seen as 2 different things...one was alcoholic which is when you allowed th grapes to ferment...the other is fresh grape extract which has not fermented hence free from alcoholic content so in order to differentiate them 2 words were brought into play.....OINOS for non alcoholic grape juice (wine) and SHEKAR for alcoholic grape juice (wine) Do you understand now

TomHagen:
For the sake of this discussion, we have to agree that that's how the event went down. Unless you have a different historical source.

TomHagen:
Give your own definitions and let us work with them.

Love---a complete feeling of affection
Compassion---a feeling of deep sympathy accompanied by a
strong desire to alleviate the

TomHagen:
Yes. Adam blamed Eve. Eve blamed the serpent.