shadeyinka:


You are still corroborating my statements. A person has a choice to change the status quo by taking some necessary actions

Why are you so defensively edgy?
I didn't say "Your hatred for God.." , I said "The hatred of God". Its not about you, its a statement

raphieMontella:

still missing it hey?
A rich parent may not give his inheritance to his child...
It really happens...Simple!
its not constant..get it?





lol..we both know..
Nvm tho

ValentineMary:
I have been ignoring u since but let me ans u one last time. Ur God Yahweh u caim is omniscient. I don't claim to be. He should know better. What's the use of being omniscient if he can't figure out how to spread his love and compassion in an unbiased way?

raphieMontella:
The Bible is clear throughout that the sin of Adam and Eve was cast upon every person who has ever lived. This is definitively stated by St. Paul:



Then, thousands of years later, God decided to have his son killed to erase the sin of Adam and Eve. Here is the definitive verse, but note that there is a subtle difference from the verse above:



Yes, the second verse offering forgiveness requires an action whereas the verse condemning mankind is automatic. To be forgiven, you must believe in Jesus, but to be condemned by the sin of Adam, no belief or action is required. That is, you don’t have to believe in Adam to be condemned by his transgression. So why do you have to believe in Jesus to be forgiven?

Condemnation is unconditional, but forgiveness IS CONDITIONAL
Can an actual compassionate god stack the odds in such an unfair an bigoted manner?

shadeyinka:


How about other traits: genetic makeup, physiology, etc.

You have focused only about wealth inheritance. Is it wrong for me to inherit my parents strength, speed, height, etc?. You know, I could also inherit from the sickle cell anemia, dwarfism, sluggishness etc.

ValentineMary:

The idea of a compassionate/all loving God started by the theologian Thomas Aquinas. He said that if God is perfect then he must be all loving and compassionate. And certain verses support the claim that he is all loving eg "For God so love the world that he gave his only .....". If God is not all loving, he can't be perfect and if he is not perfect, he is not God.

BTW nice one OP. The idea of the xtian God is not only irrational, it is also inhuman. How can we teach our kids that they were born sinners because of what 2 adults did in a garden thousands of years ago? this is absolute folly indeed.

raphieMontella:

1) animals also have heriditary diseases


2)sickle cell is as a result of the body trying to be resistant to malaria..or better still a genetic disorder..
So do animals go to hell?
Use a better stuff..

raphieMontella:

if a child is born blind deaf and dumb..and has an accident has an accident at age 1...and is confined to the hospital for life...and later dies at an age of reason....without beliving in christ...will that child go to heaven?

LaClicKLaBenDin:



[b]Now let me ask you a very simple question; now, does it take belief for you to be your grandfather's offspring?

Does it take faith for you to inherit your father's estate? By virtue of birth alone, the estate becomes yours, and also his liabilities.

Now, for you to inherit another person's estate, there must be a kind of understand, trust and close relationship between you and that person, and that's because his estate isn't yours by virtue of birth, so something extra must be involved to make you qualify to inherit the estate of another person. I'm consciously using simple human relationships to analyse this write-up, and that's because it's obvious that your intent is to twist the Bible and make God Yahweh look Wicked or Unjust.

If God Yahweh had to sacrifice His only Son as a ransom for your sins, and simply requires you to believe in Him, is He asking too much? If you were kidnapped and was to be killed, then someone came and offered his own son in your place, with the sole condition that you love him and take him as a father, will you consider the condition mean and unjust?
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FSMs:

You are Mixing Two different things that has noting to Do with Each other You don't Get a Choice to Choose your Genetic makeup you inherit from your Parent But you Get a Choice to Either believe in Jesus or Not

If you wanna incorporate You Genetic point It'll be That We will automatically Believe in Jesus it means Everyone will be given birth to Believing in jesus it's as simple as that

TheSixthSense:
Yes, of course. Aborted babies go to heaven. Children go to heaven. Hell is for the devil and his agents. People who do not know Christ will be judged with their conscience excusing or accusing them. Acts 2. Whoever said because of Adam everyone is damned to hell until someone snatches them? God is just and righteous in judgement. No one will be judged according to what they don't know. Judgement according to works.

shadeyinka:


You don't get a choice to your genetic makeup
Just as
You don't get to choose your spiritual makeup.

By default, we all inherited a spiritual makeup of sin nature!

You have a choice to accept the solution or not to solutions to your genetic flaws when available.

Just as
You you have a choice to accept Gods solution to your sin nature problem or not!

This has been the consistent Christian teachings

Pastafarians:

1) Who will this Aborted Kids be In heaven?

2)Are you Saying Abortion is Good because we are actually granting the baby a Ticket to Heaven Straight? Later i can ask for forgiveness?

TheSixthSense:

I like how you assume that I'm already in heaven speaking of where I know about. The children would be who they were, spirits.

Your inference, your conclusion. It has nothing to do with what I said. If you have decided to go on an abortion spree, living with knowledge and guilt of murder, it's up to you. I always ask, how do you know your sins are forgiven?

Pastafarians:

1) Who will this Aborted Kids be In heaven?

2)Are you Saying Abortion is Good because we are actually granting the baby a Ticket to Heaven Straight? Later i can ask for forgiveness?

TomHagen:
I think shadeyinka is already responding to your queries.

raphieMontella:

1) animals also have heriditary diseases

2)sickle cell is as a result of the body trying to be resistant to malaria..or better still a genetic disorder..
So do animals go to hell?
Use a better stuff..

Gen 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Gen 5:3
And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

Pastafarian:

our monickers is almost the same how would people differentiate us?

Pastafarians:

You my friend made the Conclusion that Aborted Children go to heaven! if you haven't been to Heaven how do you know
2)In the Bible isn't it The Earth That is being Converted to Heaven so if a child is Aborted now What happens to the child?

How do you Know they are Not?

shadeyinka:



About Animals:
Animals are not living (eternal souls) since they are not spirit beings. Only spirit beings live on eternally.

There would be animals on the new earth or maybe even in the new heavens. But these are not resurrected animals.

Animals CANNOT commit SIN!

shadeyinka:


How about other traits: genetic makeup, physiology, etc.

You have focused only about wealth inheritance. Is it wrong for me to inherit my parents strength, speed, height, etc?. You know, I could also inherit from the sickle cell anemia, dwarfism, sluggishness etc.

We see all these above in light of the law of inheritance!

Now, even if I inherited the SS gene, I have the choice of reversing it if a medical solution is discovered. Don't you think so?

Suppose, even after the solution to the SS problem is presented, I choose against it. It can never be the fault of the solution providers. My choice could be based on me enjoying the sympathy people pour on me when I break down.

Whatever the case, by my choice, I have to decide to take the solution or not.

shadeyinka:



Thanks TomHagen
Hereditary is a natural law of existence.
Just as we inherit genetic makeup, we inherit spiritual makeup.

Even if we don't like what we've inherited, we are not free from their consequences.

In the case where solutions to the problems caused by our inheritance exists, it will never be automatic. We have to choose and take the necessary action for the solution to such problem.

We are not free from the Consequences of the disobedience of Adam and Eve, but we ALL inherit their "spiritual genetic mutation".

Adam was created in the image of God before his " spiritual gene" was contaminated.

After the fall of Adam, he gave birth to children in his own (fallen) image.

About Animals:
Animals are not living (eternal souls) since they are not spirit beings. Only spirit beings live on eternally

There would be animals on the new earth or maybe even in the new heavens. But these are not resurrected animals.

Animals CANNOT commit SIN!

Ecclesiates 3---
21 How can anyone be sure that the human spirit goes upward while an animal's spirit goes down
into the ground?

LaClicKLaBenDin:



Now let me ask you a very simple question; now, does it take belief for you to be your grandfather's offspring?

Does it take faith for you to inherit your father's estate? By virtue of birth alone, the estate becomes yours, and also his liabilities.

Now, for you to inherit another person's estate, there must be a kind of understand, trust and close relationship between you and that person, and that's because his estate isn't yours by virtue of birth, so something extra must be involved to make you qualify to inherit the estate of another person. I'm consciously using simple human relationships to analyse this write-up, and that's because it's obvious that your intent is to twist the Bible and make God look Wicked or Unjust

If God had to sacrifice His only Son as a ransom for your sins, and simply requires you to believe in Him, is He asking too much? If you were kidnapped and was to be killed, then someone came and offered his own son in your place, with the sole condition that you love him and take him as a father, will you consider the condition mean and unjust?

By your write-up, Adam was the first man, and all that came after, came through him, so, they're interwoven in Adam, and inherited both his assets and liabilities

TheSixthSense:
Yes, of course. Aborted babies go to heaven. Children go to heaven. Hell is for the devil and his agents. People who do not know Christ will be judged with their conscience excusing or accusing them. Acts 2. Whoever said because of Adam everyone is damned to hell until someone snatches them? God is just and righteous in judgement. No one will be judged according to what they don't know. Judgement according to works.

FSMs:

Christians Call the Muslim God Allah and Not God why Should Atheist Give Christians the respect By Call Yahweh God and Not Yahweh?

raphieMontella:

two questions...
1) In genetics, are acquired traits inheritable?
Or are you saying ''sin'' is a natural ''gene'' put in us?/created in us by your god?

raphieMontella:

2)can salvation be inherited if the law of inheritance is as versatile as you want to smuggle it to?

Cc Tomhagen

Pastafarians:

In case you missed Biology class Human are Animals...
How do you know other Animals are Not spirit beings?

Pastafarians:

Where did you get this conclusions from and again what is the purpose of Other animals in heaven?

Pastafarians:

So when animals kill each other it's not sin?
So when animals involve in prostitution it's not sin?
Animals involved in Homosexuality it's not sin?
Animals involved in cannibalism it's not sin?
Animals that Rape it's not sin?
Keeping in mind that Humans are Also animals

shadeyinka:





Humans are spirits in animal-like skins. Animals are NOT spirits, therefore they cannot sin.

raphieMontella:

i tell you bro...
I either adress it as
1)The christian God
2)Yahweh
3)Your God..
But then again...it doesnt really change anything..

raphieMontella:

i see your philosophy is different...Nice...
But i didnt ask about an aborted baby..
Please do well to read it again...the child grew to ''age of reason'' before death.

shadeyinka:


Sin nature we inherit from Adam: its like a mutation of the original spiritual nature of ma. We inherit this "mutation" which makes us naturally selfish and sinful.

Each man for himself when it comes to salvation. Even, the "so-called" Born Against are not immune to sinning.

Being Born Again free you from the CONSEQUENCE of the Sin of Adam. Webshall only be perfect After death!

Salvation is not transferable! Its a choice each must make!

raphieMontella:

you're still buttressing my point..but you cant see it..why?
Is salvation hereditary too?
Are acquired traits inheritable?
It was an action


i dont think the bible agrees with you on that

raphieMontella:

2)..animals commit ''sin'' also..
Dolphins gangrape,kidnap and molest many se.xual ''sins''..
Garrit?