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Umartins1:
I am still not satisfied. If I do evil, why should evil come back to me? Is evil programmed in such a way that, whenever I do evil it must come back? If yes, who/what programmed it?

some evil people go scot free...and some good people experience ''evil''...

ilynem:
Your opinion. You are entitled to that. But Christians know better. Wonder when you lot will stop trying to understand the interior of a house from the outside. It's not possible.

yes..like you think buddhism is a religion
and hinduism and all other religions...
They know better...
Rubbish!'

are there other monickers on nairaland apart from raphiemontella?
Just asking...

byteHead:
What i mean is that d entire universe follows the same laws. And these laws never change.

Your coffee left on a counter will always become cool. Gravity remains steady, never random. The speed of light remains constant. The earth rotates in 24 hours.

the earth ''day'' has been increasing...the earth is slowinng down...

4kings:
Brilliant!!!

bro..longest! Howdy?

DoctorAlien:
Scientists are still experimenting on the ability of Mars to support life. Life has not been discovered outside earth.

researches are on going..
Weve found microbes and organic molecules in space...
Even in our system..we have at least three possible place for bacterial life..
Europa,titan,and another moon of saturn..euca...someting like that

Immorttal:
Judging by the comments so far. so many niggaz are actually secret atheist.

a lot of atheists are in nigeria...like a lot...

simplex2:
Dude was just showing off, trying to win accolades or something. Maybe he was trying to impress Mary Magdalene, who knows.

bad gang!

ilynem:
Religion has created many problems. Not Christianity. And the Bible has more inaccuracies than the Quran? Really? I don't know what you read but it's definitely not the Quran.

baba dont gimme that crap!

Christianity is a religion!

felixomor:
And u r still copying and pasting what u "dont believe" abi? Please kwantinue!

i shouldnt be fazed... My advice...widen the scope of your intellect... Shalom!

felixomor:
U cant mention any name abi

a simple google search will help you..

U didnt believe, yet u copied and pasted it?
To fight someone's archeological work as brilliantly illustrated as this?

If u were in a real court, by now u should have been countersued and jailed.

can you even ''listen'' to yourself?

1. "First, the site of the Exodus route as described
in Exodus 14:1, is highly disputed.
Conservative scholarship strongly
argues that Israel crossed the Gulf of Suez and not
the Gulf of Aqaba as Wyatt contended.

this is what i wrote,,,
if you cannot think wide..i give up on you...
Upon explaining it to you...yet you didnt grab...
I dont believe that satan took jesus to the pinnnacle of the temple of jerusalem....does it mean i dont believe the temple of jerusalem exists?
Sometimes you propose silly statements unreasonable for your level of intellect..
wyatt said the red sea is the gulf of alqaba....other biblical scholars with approved archaelogy permits, and better tools...propose the suez canal as the red sea
slow down...and think man...

To fight someone's archeological work as brilliantly illustrated as this?

ehya...so you're pained?
You're pained that i exposed the lie?
Take heart bro...life happens..

U cant mention any name abi

ukw?
Bible.ca
biblearchaeology.com
do the rest yourself...(search their archives)

felixomor:
U cant mention any name abi U didnt believe, yet u copied and pasted it? To fight someone's archeological work as brilliantly illustrated as this?
If u were in a real court, by now u should have been countersued and jailed.

can you even ''listen'' to yourself?

Scholar8200:
Go here!
http://ohr.edu/838

The ten plagues are probably one of the most famous aspects of the Exodus story. If the plagues were historical events as recorded by Moses, then there should be some fragment of evidence describing their catastrophic consequences. In fact, there is a papyrus in the Leiden Museum in Holland which provides a graphic portrayal eerily reminiscent of the biblical account. There is no consensus among archaeologists as to when it was originally penned An excerpt reads:

… Plague stalks through the land and blood is everywhere … Nay, but the river is blood. Does a man drink from it? As a human he rejects it. He thirsts for water … Nay, but gates, columns and walls are consumed with fire…Nay but the son of the high-born man is no longer to be recognized … The stranger people from outside are come into Egypt … Nay, but corn has perished everywhere…Everyone says ‘there is no more.’20
from: http://creation.com/egyptian-history-and-the-biblical-record-a-perfect-match#ref20

Besides, we should ask the Israelites, is this part of their history?

No no no no...this is inardvently wrong...

The ipuwer papyrus is a poem and a ''treatise'' on political ethics...and does not depict the ''exodus''...
It explicitly talks about the ''tides of wealth''..that it rotates like a ''potters wheel''
The papyrus's original composition is dated to the late ''middle kingdom'' (c1850-1650BCE)
while the biblical exodus date is 1446BC(from the bible are 1 Kgs 6:1, Judg 11:26 and 1 Chr 6:33–
37)...

The disparity of the dates between the Ipuwer and Exodus documents is enough to know its not about the ''exodus''
even ''TOP'' Biblical sites know this and refrain from equating the papyrus to the exodus...
As seen here


this is actually confirmation of what
we(biblical skeptics) have been saying;that the bible is a complilation of texts copied from older works and civilizations like in the case of the ten commandments(42 principles of maat(egypt);etc...

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Even the supposed parallels are not sincerely parallels..
The ''parallels'' arise when one does a ''cut and join'' of separate statements,axing of statements and cherry picking...



1) Like the statement ''the river is blood'' which is said to be a plague from yahweh...
Ipuwer clearly states the reason for the ''river being blood'' is that people are killing each other and the dead are being buried/thrown into the river and crocodiles feast on them as if they were fish(a bloodbath)

2)according to Ipuwer the source of the famine is a > failure to farm due to the state of anarchy in the land....NOT ''LOCUSTS''

3)[b]it clearly states the fact that its Asiatics are arriving
in Egypt rather than leaving


4)the death of the princes in the ipuwer are less cryptic and is alluded to humans doing the killings NOT A SUPERNATURAL FORCE OR SO

6)the ipuwer never says the ''cattles died''...it says they ''weep'' because there is no one to ''gather them''

7)the supposed ''plague of hail'' is constructed by selective picking of four + separate events..

in its end...it describes better days as was the intent of the poem as shown in the beginning of the treatise---''the land turns like a potters wheel''...



Baba..abeg download/read the full translation of the ipuwer papyrus yourself and see for yourself...

felixomor:
Please which conservative study?
Can u be specific?
Mention names
And even if u agree that Isreal crossed another place does it not defeat ur argument that Isreal in the bible is all fake stories?

conservative scholars=biblical scholars(The christian ones)
suez canal area=general accepted/proposed area by christian scholars/biblical archaelogists...

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i didnt believe it was real...
Ts like saying where scholars believe the garden of eden is/was(people with better equipments)....

Scholar8200:
sire, first wipe out nuwayba al muzayyinah from history and ancient maps then all these attempted refutation will be reconsidered!

okay...i'd reconsider taking the bible as truth when you can provide an egyptian record of the exodus...(the egyptians took record of virtually anything)...
Or just half a record....

1. "First, the site of the Exodus route, as described in Exodus 14:1, is highly disputed.
Conservative scholarship strongly
argues that Israel crossed the Gulf of Suez and not the Gulf of Aqaba, as Wyatt contended.
'2. "Second, Wyatt claimed that he was using simple recreational scuba equipment when he discovered these
wheels, etc., at a depth of some 200 feet in the Gulf. However, ordinary scuba
apparatus is designed to accommodate only a depth of approximately 125-130
feet. Beyond this, more sophisticated equipment is required."
3.Pharaoh’s army was said to have
been destroyed “in the middle of the sea” (Exodus 14:23) which, according to measurements of the British Admiralty, is
almost 2,800 feet deep in the midst of Aqaba. This hardly harmonizes with Wyatt’s 200 feet “discoveries”!"
4. "Then there is the issue of the “bones”
— of both horses and men — that Wyatt
reputedly found. Recall that the
destruction of Pharaoh’s army took
place about 3,500 years ago. Compare
this with the following facts. The Titanic went down in 1912 and 1,553 people were lost in the wreckage. In 1985, 73years following that Atlantic catastrophe,
the submerged vessel was discovered and explored. Specially designed underwater TV and video equipment was employed; in addition, more than 53,000 photos were taken. The remains of not a solitary person — neither skin nor bone — was found. Everything had been completely consumed by fish, crustaceans, and the destructive effect of salt water."...

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the ''allegded discovery'' -#problems
1) no independent peer-reviewed
examination by archaeologists and other specialists
2)If what Wyatt found is factual, Egyptian authorities including representatives from the Museum in Cairo would have gone to the site, confirmed the
findings, secured the site, and then excavated the site of its valuable artifacts. Such a find would have been newsworthy and did get some television coverage around the world.

3)According to Exodus 12:37–38, the Israelites numbered "about six hundred thousand men on
foot, besides women and children," plus many non-Israelites and livestock.
There's still no evidence for this huge amount of ''nomadics'' across the gulf of alqaba for fourty years
4)the plagues...the huge number of masses lost to this supposed plague--death of army,,sons,,no drinkable water,,loss of harvest etc(egypt's populace at the supposed time was about 3.5m...such plagues would have taken a huge hit on the populace and on the economy and archaelogy evidence would support this)


cc4evergod rock100 winner01 scholar8200 ...

EyeHateGod:
Because blue = black in his eyes as far as both of them are color that's how his logic works if u go up u can see that

hehe...i concur sire...

EyeHateGod:
guy I'll advice u not to go there with that dude

why bruh?

4everGod:
For you to understand why the choice of the hebrew word you need to understand the ancient eastern israeli cosmology and why God allowed them to express themselves in their own language.

I am well versed in this so don't go there.

Besides this thread is not about the earths shape but about the red sea crossing so do not derail as you all wish to do.

as well as i...(in verses pertaining to ancient cosmology)...well as for the thread...i've bought land above...relax...

4everGod:
smh...you no go school abi?
A sphere is a circle
A round object is also circular

A pyramid is also shaped like a triangle because any side you view it from it is a triangle same with a round or spherical object...any side you view it from it is a CIRCLE.

Go and refund yur school fees to your parents.

do you know the word used in the hebrew context?

Iykestix:
Please anyone who knows a site where i can download american hip hop, RnB, pop, e.t.c recent songs should pls help me out with it.

just search on google ''billboard top 100 (insert genre of song here) this week'' and you'd see recent reigning songs of that genre on uk,us,canada charts...


Or...just simply visit billboard.com

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these images are from the site the op sourced wyatttmuseum

That anyone could see the photos of relatively new and shiny metal wheels and not be skeptical astonishes me.

lets look at the ''finder'' RON WYATT
ron wyatt doesnt even have a BA in archaeology and wasnt considered credible by professionals...


Wyatt claimed to have discovered several sites and artifacts related
to the Bible and Biblical archaeology. These included:
--Noah's ark
--The anchor stones used by noah on the ark
--laminated Deck Timber from the Ark
--the post-flood house of noah
--fences from noah's farm
--grave markers and tombs of noah and his wife
--the locations of sodom and gomorrah
--the locations of the other cities of the plains
--Sulfur/brimstone balls from the ashen remains of Sodom and Gomorrah
--the tower of babel
--how the ancient egyptians built the pyramids
--artifacts from king solomons temple
--the ark of the convenant
--the Book of the Law written by Moses on Animal Skins,
--Gold from the Golden Calf fashioned by Aaron,
--Tables of the Ten Commandments,
--the Tabernacle’s Table of the Showbread,
--Goliath’s Sword,
--Jesus’ Tomb and the Stone Seal of the Tomb,
--the site of the crucifixion of jesus
--JESUS CHRISTS BLOOD IN AN EARTHQUAKE CRACK BENEATH THE CRUCIFIXION SITE
--THE DNA OF ''JESUS BLOOD'' CONTAINING 24 CHROMOSONES INSTEAD OF 46
--Burial pots of caaanites/israelites off the coast of ashkelon
ETC


Wow! One man – working part time – on his vacations!! How is this possible?
if this were to be true...he would be the worlds most celebrated archaelogist...biblical and all-areas..
But this is not even the case...
The IAA,GTA etc all reject him
even a top creationist site...answersingenesis.com rejects his claims and labels it fraudulent...

Cc 4evergod rock100 scholar8200
others...

SpicyJosBabe:
Yes, well not my fault for the making. Atheism is very odd in Nigeria because the overwhelming majority of Nigerians are religious. So u guys have to put up with us.
And tell me, why do u guys woo religious ladies in the first place? And u guys will not tell the lady at first until when the lady now finds out deep down later.



Yes and thank God u know. There is really something wrong with atheism and that's why women (who are smarter and more sensitive naturally) see no reason in practicing such lifestyles with no reasonable benefit.
You guys should stop chasing religious women!

@bolded
love's not about religion...
Its about the ''person''....if you yoke love and religion as one...you'd miss it totally...
If it were ''one''...we wont have inter-religious marriages...
My friends have said virtually all.
Just some few things i need to correct...if you reply..

Amberon:
Lol....when atheists think they can use the bible against us.

There are different kinds of love and I definitely cannot do the "Eros" with an atheist.
Atheists should marry their fellow atheists.

segregationist...

KingEbukasBlog:
Marry an atheist and ruin your marital life forever . He subscribes to subjective morality - he'll beat the hell outa you and justify his actions .

marry a hindu and ruin your marital life forever...................

DoctorAlien:
It's either you're a clown by nature or... I don't even know.

Does not the Old Testament and the New Testament make up the Bible? Did GOD change in the New Testament, or did His Word change?

did the law change?

Smallville10:
EyeloveGod... Sorry eyehategod... U will get ever lasting peace, unspeakable joy, eternal life full of hope, a new beginning with no end... Even love. Hate-free world

can fire exist without its adverse effects?

Muafrika2:
They died in Noah's flood

i thought noah saved all the creatures of god?

Smallville10:
D first ever dinosaurs walked the earth before men but also d bible speaks of something whixh could be a dinosaur (job 40v15:19)

behemoth is not a dinosaur...

4evergod3:
Guy I warned you before this thread went far now you see yourself?

"THE ANIMALS THAT SCIENTISTS HAVE CHOSEN TO CALL DINOSAURS"

Chai. So you now agree that dinosaurs couldhave been a scientific imagination.

You could say that fossils exist or DNA but how would you know who or what owns the dna when you have nothing to stand as an original sample as a comparison. If you say fossils existed then how would you be sure what it belonged to especially since the creature was still supposedly evolving.

new animals are discovered and named by scientists...
What about fossilized structures?

My oga's..

DoctorAlien:
Before I answer your question, you'll answer this:

1. Anything that we dig up that is supposedly more than 250 000 years old should have absolutely no radiocarbon in it whatsoever. In the light of this, explain the popular notion that dinosaurs lived millions of years ago.

palenteology dating methods...
Radiometric methods(radio-isotopes)

2. If dinosaurs are really tens of millions of years old, why have scientists found dinosaur bones with soft tissue still in them, including what may have been blood vessels and cells? Confirm this here: www.nbcnews.com/id/7285683/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/scientists-recover-t-rex-tissue/#.Us3cl7SmbF0

www.livescience.com/41537-t-rex-soft-tissue.html


http:// www.talkreason.org/articles/DinoBlood.cfm

those are your answers..
Cc 4evergod3

adjoviomole:
Just go back to sleep, will u!

the internet is not costly..
Information is at your doorstep these days... Even if you dont believe it...just try and read evolution up.. So that you wont be asking some kind of weird questions...

Cheers..