₦airaland Forum

Mujaheeeden:
Rawani please tell me the developed parts in Kaduna because I've stayed here for some months working on a project in Ungwan Rimi which is the elite area and i have been to zonkwa, zaria and kafanchan and the level of poverty there makes me to weep.
Never you compare the northern states with any Eastern state because the level of suffering in the north presently was only experienced in Igbo land during the war.
I have pictures of young almajiri out of school kids that have never gotten any formal education and with the way things are going will never get.

Go through my thread and check out Kaduna. If you don't recognize any of those places/areas then be assured that you've been living in rural Kaduna.

https://www.nairaland.com/1945471/true-face-north

Mujaheeeden:
Rawani, the biggest insult today is trying to compare the North with the SE because it makes the SE looks like Gulliver
trying to avoid ttrampling on Northern Lilliputians

Of course the only states the SE can compare with are the war ravaged NE states, and you rightly said that the only time the SE experienced that level of unproductivity was during its war. As for the rest of the northern states (North West and North Central), they are far more productive than the SE states as the internally generated revenue figures show below.

Mujaheeeden:
What is the essence of huge IGR without a corresponding impact on the lives of the citizenry. let's use KD IGR with his size in billions but they still have about 2million kids roaming the streets because of poverty and hunger

Do you folks just pull numbers out of your ears or what? Provide proof that two million kids are roaming Kaduna streets. I totally disagree with that figure.

I'm not a scratched disc so I'll not repeat myself further about poverty in the North and out of school kids.

Rawani:
Look the disparity between the rich and poor is a global phenomenon and is as old as mankind, and is more pronounced in larger populations due to limited resources, therefore painting a one sided picture of the North (pastime of most easterners) is largely myopic and heavily skewed to an individual's perspective. No doubt there is poverty in the North like the rest of the country, and I admit that it is more pronounced due to the large population and self-limiting religious beliefs held by some (almajiri doctrine).

Focus on growing the IGR of the SE so you will not be so heavily dependent on federal allocations from Niger delta oil while hypocritically calling the North parasites, and properly educate your child apprentices because presenting your skewed perspective of what obtains in the North western states does not erode the fact that Kano and Kaduna's internally generated revenue alone is more than the total IGR of all the SE states combined.

Rawani:
The problem you're not seeing is that while the less privileged in other parts of Nigeria and in other developed countries resort to seeking alms instead of committing crimes, the less privileged in your SE states instead resort to crimes such as armed robbery, human money making rituals, baby factory, selling fake drugs etc. How is criminality more noble than seeking alms?

By the way if you're looking for out of school youths, go and ask the thousands of young illiterate/semi-literate apprentices (which is in fact part of Ibo culture) in Ariaria market and all over Nigeria including the North.

Let me remind you that this thread is not about the North but the SE's assumed wealth which I punctured with reliable facts and figures.

Adetewa:
is it that true?
Ojukwu Biafra is the totality of defunct Eastern Nigeria, that is , oil rich region.
Nnamdi kanu Biafra vision the same zone even included Benue.
means Biafran vision the richest region of Nigeria.

The question is if the oil rich SS region refused to cooperate with Ojukwus Biafra in the 60's, what makes you think they'd agree to runaway Nnamdi KAwardNU's Beerfraud?

Fact remains that apart from the war ravaged North East, the South Eastern states generate the LOWEST IGR and contribute the least in this country, therefore attributing their secession bid to being the richest, most prosperous region is total delusion and the height of self-deceit.

patval:
your dumbness is second to that of buhari, when someone just enlisted visible index of poverty and you are fooling yourself with paperwork

IGR statistics are dismissable paperwork but poverty statistics are reliable metalwork abi? Oya you too stop fooling yourself with poverty index paper work...abi no be so? Lol.

You guys just love deceiving yourselves, you only embrace figures that further your agenda and simply dismiss figures that are unfavourable to you and highlight your parasitism.

Focus on growing your IGR because biafla is still going to be made up of those your under-productive states.

You can shove those insults up your vulva because they have, and never can stop me from pummeling you with facts and figures.

3html:
Open your eyes, it's not all about how good you are in English.
I was reading an article about the velocity (how money changes hand) of money in most countries and I found out before money leaves Isreal it must have change hands about 8 times or more bit our case is none.
We need to restructure, otherwise we are going no where on this arrangement and population is increasing adding more problems to already ones.
Poverty remain prevalence in everywhere but Northern state is 10 times more than any where I Nigeria, it's not an insult. That's to tell you the present arrangements don't favour the masses.


You mentioned Kano and kaduna yes the state government might be rich, but what am trying to say is that the money doesn't flow down the masses
Honestly Kano has good road compare to southeast but on a 3 hours drive from KARAYE to Kano Town the only modern houses I saw belongs to the EMIRS as its clearly written.
About 90% buildings are mold houses, no access to water system toilets, pit latrine is prevelance.
Wealth flows only in few hands

90% mud houses ? Karaye?

You have just confirmed that you never went through Kano city, so all the buildings along the magnificent longest fly over bridge in West Africa shown below (Kwankwaso Bridge) were made of mud? Including the sky scraper?

And who told you all the malls, hotels, restaurants, clubs etc were government owned? And they were also made of mud ? Stop living in denial.

You're either being very dishonest, were living in a Kano ghetto, or have been touring Kano villages/old kano thinking you were in the city, no wonder you have such a horrendously skewed perspective.

P.S. Go through this thread containing images of northern state capitals if you can, I created it a few years ago to clear the doubts of skeptics like you, and outright liars that just love to paint the North in poor hues. Pictures don't lie.

https://www.nairaland.com/1945471/true-face-north

It's quite unfortunate that on all your travels in the North, your observations were based on what you saw in the local communities (only saw mud houses) and outskirts of town (as you were entering Kaduna), which is why many of you are ignorant about the North.

Did you visit the malls, restaurants, parks, hotels, night clubs, GRA's etc. and did not find well to do northerners there and hundreds of mansions and estates? Do you know Amokachi owns a posh club in Kaduna called Rampage, among dozens of others in the city? Did you visit Ado Bayero mall or Tahir Guest Palace in Kano and not find middle to upper class northerners enjoying their lives?

Look the disparity between the rich and poor is a global phenomenon and is as old as mankind, and is more pronounced in larger populations due to limited resources, therefore painting a one sided picture of the North (pastime of most easterners) is largely myopic and heavily skewed to an individual's perspective. No doubt there is poverty in the North like the rest of the country, and I admit that it is more pronounced due to the large population and self-limiting religious beliefs held by some (almajiri doctrine). I bet you the wealthier southerners resident or that have visited the North and have mingled with those on the same strata of their social ladder will attest to my submission.

Poor leadership on all levels is a national problem, just look at the state of the Niger delta and compare it to the billions pumped into it monthly through allocations, derivation, NDDC, Ministry of ND etc. and you will understand my point better.

Focus on growing the IGR of the SE so you will not be so heavily dependent on federal allocations from Niger delta oil while hypocritically calling the North parasites, and properly educate your child apprentices because presenting your skewed perspective of what obtains in the North western states does not erode the fact that Kano and Kaduna's internally generated revenue alone is more than the total IGR of all the SE states combined.

3html:
I have spent time reading your write up to say the least I wanted to ignore you but had to respond.
I have been to Kano, kaduna, Katsina states precisely 2015 and I saw first class poverty on ground, mold houses in almost every community. Honestly our past leaders deserved to be stone to death.
On entering kaduna from Abuja the first thing I saw was kids numbering 150 in different groups (they walk in groups and corporate together ) with torn out cloths,under the hammattan running everywhere with plates, when I looked at them I saw hunger and pain in their eyes;I quickly turned to my follow in the the ifeanyi-chukwu bus I boarded then he told me that this was Almajiri kids and that is the custom there,i could not hold my self as I threw my bread and banana towards them and asked my those with me to do the same. Honestly I almost cried.
Your internally generated revenues might be great but honestly the masses are not benefiting from it, some criminals are feeding fat on it. Same thing with oil, the huge revenues only got stolen by our leaders and top heads of service.
I don't support breaking away, I believe the igbos will gain more in a fair Nigeria.
We truly need to restructure since the present structure is not taking us anywhere @57 no stable electricity, no Good roads, no sure security of lives and business, no access to loan, high rate of unemployment. Honestly we cannot continue like these.
Look at Germany that was nothing to write home about after 1945, every system was destroyed by the invading armies but now they are now the most advanced economy in the world intermediating great Britain to secede from the union.

Ngokafor:
Yes we have no love for buhari (and for good readons too)thats why we want to leave him and you behind in Nigeria...yet he keeps running after us with his military...even made us the focus of his independence day speech

Now does it look like we 'planted stones and expect to harvest diamonds'?

You want to leave yet your leaders outlawed your ipob?

You want to leave yet your people were running relay race between emir's palaces and government houses in the North when they were issued a quit notice?

You want to leave yet you keep screaming for equity in federal appointments?

You fool no one but yourselves. Many of your leaders have stated that once appointments are equitably spread and development is channeled to the SE, the agitation will naturally disappear, and that's the opinion of majority of biafrans on NL.

One ipob member categorically told me yesterday that the ipob biafran agitation is mainly to make Buhari uncomfortable in governance as revenge for his actions in curtailing IPOB.

Bede2u:
We are not crying at all. We are just making buharis govt uncomfortable... and by 2019 it will come to an abrupt end so that we can all drop biafra and move forward

Does that not undeniably prove that you planted stones and yet expect to harvest diamonds?

Apology accepted regardless of sarcasm.

Meanwhile let these be a reminder that ipob terror will no longer go unpunished.

shallysgirl:
Mr punctuation, I can't see your punctuation marks.
Who is a chestbeater? You or I.?
World standard education nebe? You can't prove anything online ,sorry.
igr or not the world knows better.
Nobody with any sense judges by these figure.
with your heavenly igr,is your state not in debt like all the others.
You are the one blabbing jazz from what I just read. [

How can you see punctuation marks when you hardly use them correctly? Can a blind man tell the time?

If you think the quality of education possessed by an individual cannot be reasonably proven online, go through the quality of your posts and compare to mine. Semi-literacy cannot be hidden online, just like it can't be hidden offline.

An entire bureau made up of statisticians (NBS) was setup and is funded to gather and analyse those figures, yet you claim nobody derives judgements from them? Can you see why I said semi-literacy cannot be hidden online?

Save me from your IQ depleting tripe and save yourself further embarrassment by keeping shut + stop further exposing your ignorance to the whole world.

shallysgirl:
I didn't look at your figures, table or pictures. It's of no importance to me.
I believe in reality as far as its Nigeria we are talking about.
The out of school children in the north should be taken care of. They are the ones being radicalised. Put more effort in seeing that help come to and for them. Gej has tried.

Yeah right, you didn't look at them but you were able to accurately categorize them into figures, tables and pictures . You can only fool yourself.

Of course the NBS charts and statistics wouldn't be of any importance to you since you're seriously lagging behind in IGR generation which highlights the delusion that Biafla would be any better. Numbers are the ultimate reality because numbers never lie. Ask anyone.

The out of school children all over Nigeria (including the child apprentices in the SE) should be taken care of and properly educated, not just the North, because they're the ones being criminalized once they're not settled by their masters, or when they discover that the drug smuggling trade can make them much more money that they can flaunt as 'success', thereby seducing a new generation of drug mules in their communities and instigating battles of superiority. The Ozogbolu church massacre is a valid pointer.

Bla bla bla...if this your disjointed & poorly punctuated tripe of an epistle is an indicator of how educated you are, then I can imagine what you consider as standard education amongst your "better educated and richer" folks. I can humbly assure you that you have never experienced the world standard education I've been privileged to have, or reached the height I've attained educationally, judging by the quality of your posts on this forum. Unlike you I'm not a chest beater and I only disclosed the preceding to clear your doubts.

By the way, how has the mumbo jumbo below increased your IGR and stopped you from being the parasitic second least contributing region among Nigeria's six regions? Biafla indeed.

shallysgirl:
See mumu talking. With your highest igr, how has your state fared better than states in the SE?
Igbo are criminals bla..bla... bla... SMH for you. The minute anyone mentions Biafra now, you start weeing on your pants.
Is it not a shame and a sign of self deciet that you delight in sharing your nation of 'honest people' with 'criminals'.
the Igbos have apprentice culture, and we are proud of it .Coscharis and many igbo billionaires you see today yes they were apprentice. My father was also an apprentice but you definitely are not more educated than me, my siblings or any of these Igbo apprentices's children and your father is definitely not richer or wealthier than our fathers.
our fathers were apprentices but they knew they had to educate their children.
today,education wise,the children of the apprentices are far ahead.
I bet you, my apprentice father would write better English than what I see on nairaland.
My advice :stop living in the dream world. In Nigeria, igr doesn't mean the people fare better or the state is infrastructurally better. In Nigeria these are just figures. Talking about your so called igr, I hope you know in the east, the igr is solely and basically generated by the indigenes. We are proud to be self-made and independent.
We are Igbos and we are proud. We are achievers and independent. We bow to no man but God the Jehovah Almighty who sent his only begotten son Jesus Christ to die for us.
we are proud to say we are ready have our Biafra and we know on our own we will do better low igr or not.

intruxive:

Ipob mouth piece nairaland rep, your run away messiah thinks he can hide in this information age without ppl knowing his whereabouts
Britain is playing with fire, harboring a terrorist

Or it could all be a smoke screen by ipob/kanu to make everyone think he is not hiding in one bushy community by the border, with the twin effect of causing damage to the UK-Nigeria diplomatic relationship.

I seriously doubt the allegation that the UK would issue Kanu with "emergency travel documents" while he is still on bail and scheduled to appear in the court of a sovereign nation.

That ridiculous allegation from the group gave it away.

By the way, this just shows that the former Governor has always been one of the secret supporters and enablers of IPOB.

Buhari's independence day speech really struck the conscience of these "Ibo elders" that looked on while their misguided children were being misled to their death by Nnamdi KAwardNu.

Aufbauh:
Finally they have accepted that all these IPOB shenanigans is about Buhari.

When breeze blows that's when you see fowl nyash,
When python dance you will see Ipob cowardice and confession.

I don't know why these people think they can plant stones and harvest diamonds? Could it be due to an embarrassingly poor understanding of politics?

Agitating for secession and terrorizing people in the process just because they've not been allowed to eat their cake and have it? And now screaming because their blackmail is being contained?

A lesson that they should never put all their eggs in one political basket has surely been learnt.

Ngene44:
The more you Crack down on biafra agitators the more they become popular and win sympathizers. IPOB is not the only biafra movement. I am nt IPOB member but I stand with massob. Massob is nt a terrorist group like IPOB, what we need is freedom from the zoo.

MASSOB has never ever referred to Nigeria as a "zoo", so you'd better be proud of your IPOB heritage because you deceive no-one here.

shallysgirl:
Be deceiving yasef. How many Igbo beggars have you ever met and how many Igbo kids are out of school.?How many Igbo kids carry plates begging for alms? Mr highest Igp.

You're the one deceiving yourself. Begging has NOTHING to do with a state's internally generated revenue...abi is there any state in Nigeria that donates even 1% of its IGR to the less privileged?

For your information and from my first hand encounter, there are beggars even in Britain which has over 10x of Nigeria's IGR.

The problem you're not seeing is that while the less privileged in other parts of Nigeria and in other developed countries resort to seeking alms instead of committing crimes, the less privileged in your SE states instead resort to crimes such as armed robbery, human money making rituals, baby factory, selling fake drugs etc. How is criminality more noble than seeking alms?

By the way if you're looking for out of school youths, go and ask the thousands of young illiterate/semi-literate apprentices (which is in fact part of Ibo culture) in Ariaria market and all over Nigeria including the North.

Fact remains that apart from the war ravaged North East, the South Eastern states generate the LOWEST IGR and contribute the least in this country, therefore attributing their secession bid to being the richest, most prosperous region is total delusion and the height of self-deceit.

netflicks:
Who paid u guys? Pls stop deceiving yourselves. It's crystal clear that Buhari hate the igbos, Hausa and Yoruba are not even one...we only pretend to be one Nigeria because no body wants to get killed unlawfully by this military Govt.. Infact the hate has gone deep down to the soul and it can never be reverted...

Buhari Pls check Nairaland to see for yourself...

I see.

...and Ibos have always had undying love for Buhari right? You cannot plant stones and harvest diamonds.

wesley80:
How far? Who finally won the wrestling match?

Good question

Without accountability, any company will eventually go bankrupt and fold up, especially when everyone is stealing the company's profits because stealing is not corruption. Based on the above, I'd still choose PMB in this case.

That Kayodes poll really pained the wailers to their bone marrow.

Perpetual victim players.

fuckingAyaya:
and who kidnapped the chibok girls BMC Secretary?

Boko Haram, you should know this except you've been living under a rock.

Meanwhile embrace your hypocrisy instead of trying to change the topic.

Bede2u:
Igbos are actually not against other tribes ruling thats . We are not crying at all. We are just making buharis govt uncomfortable... and by 2019 it will come to an abrupt end so that we can all drop biafra and move forward

Lmao uncomfortable indeed. We all knew beerfraud was cheap blackmail from the beginning and that's why nobody takes your nonsense lying down.

Now from the photos below, who looks like they're most uncomfortable?

Again, what a joker...keep firing at your feet non stop as you try making the Executive President "uncomfortable"

Bede2u:
lol. Childish mumu post. U think gej is contesting? Na all northern ticket babaa and its a win win for them. So... i think the 2019 is definetly going to make u cry... again

Does it change the fact that all your votes are inconsequential no matter who your choice is? Does it change the fact that you lack the power to determine who rules you over and over again? What a joker

I remember speculating in 2015 amidst victory celebrations, that Ibos would campaign the most for the next "born to rule" Arewa President, and here you are making me feel like a prophet ....in fact as we speak, an Anambra businessman just donated a magnificent campaign office to Sule Lamidos presidential campaign .

You've been crying since 1967, you cried in 2015, 2016, still crying in 2017 and counting...what a pitiful existence.

Bede2u:
Guy we MUST drop that no election talk and vote out Buhari in 2019. I was for no election b4 but that would be shooting ourselves in the head. Sure suicide. We need to mobilize everybody in SE and Ss including kids to go out and vote.
We also need to choose btw Atiku and Lamido and I say lets go with Atiku
Voting Buhari out is now a patriotic duty... Biafra or not

Did you study the breakdown of the 2015 election results at all

Even if the entire SE and SS vote against PMB, they would still lack the numbers to vote him out.

In other words, enjoy your Nsala and Hero beer because your hate votes are totally inconsequential.

darkdude:
see them,impatience.
expect more pictures.and get ready for heart attack....

Take it easy in the spirit of independence celebration, next thing you'd know the P's and I's will tell you the crowd was imported from Kano, and ask for HD video evidence of when the participants stopped Okada to go to the stadium.

Easy bro

fuckingAyaya:
No big deal uncle Jona Did dsame tin

You are quick to shout Jona, yet whenever this government makes reference to the past administration you and your fellow wailers are even quicker to shout "blame game".

Now that the President has done something worthy of commendation, you simply cannot resist the hypocritical urge to reference Jonathan's administration, as if he wasn't the one that went dancing when the chibok girls were kidnapped.

You should have some shame.

Point of correction;

Hausa/Fulani are one and the same entity.

Furthermore, your assertion that the Nigerian Army made up of practically every tribe in the country including hundreds of Ibos, is made up of ONLY Fulanis, rubbishes your entire write-up.

Cheers.

Ngene44:
dnt allow igbos give you high BP , try and be sleeping OK.

More like stop giving the millions of Ibos in the North high blood pressure while you type from the safety of your beds.

It's plain selfish and wicked.

OjukwuWarBird:
Threat of war can't stop the rise of Biafra


Only True Federalism can calm the raging anger of Biafrans


As long as the East and ND are not having a fair deal, it is just a matter of time before a new country is born

War effectively stopped it 50 years ago, and ordinary military exercise has quieted the initial noisy agitation. Nothing will stop the military from flattening your likes again if the war you're eagerly anticipating comes to pass, and you know it.

A word is enough for the wise, don't let your "raging anger" consume you because you sound like a little kid whose only concept of war was formed by watching Hollywood war movies.

At this point the voices of wise Ibo elders are needed, not the thoughtless empty chest beating of adolescent boys with nothing to lose than their young lives.

Just imagine the discomfort and apprehension that Ibos are facing now because of the rabid and toxic bucal cavity of the runaway empty chest beating coward.

What a shame.

To be forewarned is to be fore-armed. Chino had a divine revelation through a dream and even I was shocked when he created that thread and humbly poured his heart out which was in sharp contrast to his usual online demeanor

You have tried your best to warn them Daviddson, take solace in the fact that you have selflessly done your bit.

May the lives of the truly innocent be preserved and may those egging the gullible on to their death from the comfort of their homes reap every ounce of what they are sowing.