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Muafrika2:
Otem's version was invented only a few years ago by a few mischievous storytellers claiming inspiration. I stand with the unaltered original book of Daniel. I don't worry about where he was when his brothers were burning all alone in Nebuchadnezer's oven.

a typical religious fellow, will never care to seek knowledge and ask questions...


plus, prove it his own version was invented few years ago, tell us the date it was invented

GeeOh:
his name is JESUS

u are wrong, his name was pronounced Yeshua... and that is his real name. no "J" but "Y"
Jesus does not exist but Yeshua

felixomor:
Yes, He has done more than that. can do more than that.
Please ask better questions.

Give us an example of when he did more than dat, give us the date, the event, the location and names we can Google and verify or any other means we can make proper confirmation....

no bible tales pls....

Why the bible is the most complete book in the world... the bible has answers to all things with this illustration;

1. chapter 1 says that Chelsea will definitely win against arsenal
2. chapter 2: Chelsea and arsenal will definitely play draw.
3. chapter 3: Chelsea will definitely lose against arsenal.

I'm sure u knw d rest

xtivin:
one of jesus deciples cut off the ear of an officer and jesus restored it..which is greater between walking on the sea and restoring a beheaded being...with faith all things are possible

All these were claims from the bible but not verified.

now can God do the same in our time and resurrect a beheaded person? pls answer the question.

and for those barking like wounded dogs in frustration, pls answer the simple question. Can Yaweh resurrect a beheaded person?

wen reading the bible, the story of how d three hebrew men who refused to bow down to the golden image and then cast into burning furnace, my question had been.; whr was Daniel? did he not also disobey d king by not bowing down?

Muafrika2, Goddys I guess u guys have ur answers now, for again, otem has released the full version of the story

Vick4rill:
God forbid! u guys should better get prepared cus am already into intensive studies. i will soon start giving u people sleepless Night.

I congratulate u for u to ve doubted ur doctrines..it's a sign that u are capable of being rational. You are still having a battle of the mind. You might either give it up or stick to ur religion.

well, so many issues have been raised here on nl you can read and learn from both views, many which the pastors of nl could give no logical answers.

It's like the movie matrix, u either choose the real world or choose to sleep in the delusions u were born.

If u choose to sleep on in fantasies of religion, make sure u avoid and flee from every appearances of arguments and topics capable of shaking ur faith, then u can enjoy ur blissful moments of religion.

goodluck

Goddys:
I invite atheists, satanists and all to come and experience power of God which Otem claim no longer exist in this generation.

Let me tell u something, anybody can go to that church and nothing special will happen. it's just based on your beliefs...I mean absolute nothing will happen.

And that your invitation is not honoured does not in anyway translate to fear. Many are just too busy proving bullshits.

But this ur pastor go don chop enuf tithe oo

Goddys:
My brother, I understand the foundation of your claim. The Bible does not really capture every details of life but those necessary to save our souls from deep knowledge which is detrimental to our faith.
My brother, Otem doctrine seems encompassing and captures the intricacies of the past and is compatible with human reasoning but have you ask yourself this?
Why is this doctrine mainly focused on debasing biblical stories and injunctions.. is it not suspicious that this doctrine is a practical battle between faith and reason?
Bedrock of Otem's doctrine is reason while Bedrock of the Biblical doctrine is faith. Once you start studying Bible with reason,it loses its relevance because its mystery is made manifest to those who study it with faith believing every precept of it.
By faith,I have seen the eyes of a blind man opened.By faith,I have seen the lame walk. By faith,I have seen the deaf and dumb,heard and speak,and these were never coincidences. If these are false, let me be cursed from generation to generation.
The way to God I serve is by faith because His ways are incomprehensible to man. Otem may have argued that Yahweh is eartum's brother and you submitted that its the reason for the jealous of a thing that normally occur between brothers. 'jealousy' is an anthropomorphic attribute which the writers of the Bible used to describe God's love and His desire for absolute obedience from His children. It doesn't mean contending with other gods.
Yahweh is God and not a 'god' but time shall reveal the truth in the words of 'Okai...'
God created the world and everything in it and has the power to do with it as He pleases.He set the injunctions but He is not restricted by His injunctions.
I believe everything Yahweh and the Bible has revealed. Even though our reasoning works against our faith, just like our flesh works against our spirit man, we shall persevere to keep our faith firm and apply reasoning with limit to what Holy spirit inspires.

1. if knowledge is detrimental to any faith, that faith does not it worth it and it's a baseless faith.
Truth can withstand the test of any scrutiny...

2. To claim otem's doctrine is an attack on your religion is just your perspective and point of view..A muslim wud feel same way, same as worshipers of enki, horus, zeus etc as all were mentioned in his doctrine

3. otem's doctrine captures d past in details..That's the point, u seem to acknowledge that his doctrine is not one sided unlike other religious doctrines

4. Yaweh is God and not a god...back to stage 0, the same argument that has been put to questioning. just a claim any religious person will make about their gods. Otem claims he's just one of the brothers and hence his jealousy

5. you mention the writer of the bible, otem has gone ahead to tell u who the writer is, now tell me who is the writer of the bible?

Which are the 1st and 2nd. why the emphasis on diamond bank? seems the mod works for Diamond

Goddys, do u knw why otem seems more correct than you....He's not claiming eartum as the creator of the universe but a son of the God of universe and jehovah one of his brothers...

your holy book strengthens this claim by saying that jehovah is a jealous God. so why would the creator of the universe be jealous? who is he competing with? it's not unusual to see brothers contend with brothers


and everything is captured in his doctrine of how his jealousy came and caused war between the other sons of Gos.....


The bible claimed jesus as the only son of God and later contradicts itself saying sons of God coming down to earth to mate daughters of men, otem doctrine captured that in details how there were several sons of the God of universe who came down to earth...

you guys claim jesus as the firstborn....Otem's doctrine explains in details how jesus became the first born.

why wasn't other planets and galaxies captured in your holy books unlike otem?

Goddys:
Listen man. This doctrine ends here on Nairaland and any generation that digs it up through research will be forced to dig my version of how Otem and eartum will eventually be disgraced by God of Chosen, God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. And all glory shall go to my God.

My only question is this, why are u guys so frustrated..? something is fishing, if not a proof that his doctrine is a stronger force than that which u hold

above lies see some avengers of the bible tales barking in frustration because a doctrine they cannot fathom where it originated or how a common man could come with better doctrnes that outshines their most holy books...


Otemanuduno, ignore those bible avengers and move on

otem4eartum:
CHAPTER TWO
1. Now did the light take me to a place, saying, come O Danyal, and you shall see those things which has been built here by people like you who did great meditations. Then I followed the light and it led me to a place where there is great fire.
2. Then I said, who made this great fire here? Then did the light say to me, a son of God did this through the power of meditation. But he does not know that he has done this.
3. Then I said, how is that done? How can one make fire and shall not know that he has made a fire? Then did the light say to me, you homos are able to make things by the thoughts of your head, but you might not know that those things which you think are built somewhere for you.
4. Then I said, O Great Light, did you not say that we are in my head? How do you now say that this fire is made by a son of God? Did he put the fire in my head?
5. Then did the light say, all heads in the universe are connected together. And whatever one make by imagination is made to appear in all other heads. The softest part of your head, which is in your skull is connected to every other kind of it in the universe. And what others have written or what others have done before, you can reach them through that part of your head.
6. Now O Danyal, through the letters and the numbers which you have seen before shall the homos to come in a distant time make inventions after the similitude of this part of your head. And in like manner wherein all souls are connected through the head, in the same manner shall all the inventions be connected together.
7. Now O Danyal, I say to you, come into yourself at wish, every time through meditation, and those things which are hid shall be revealed to you.
8. Then did the light say, come with me again and I shall show you another part of your head which you have often visited. Now did he take me to a place and said, here is a place in your head where the things you see with your outer eyes are recorded. But O Danyal, the things you see with your outer eyes are already kept inside your head during the time you were being formed in the womb.
9. For everyone you shall see in the outer world are already inside your head. And every happenings also, which you shall see in the outer world are already kept inside your inner world. For your outer world is the Earth and every other places in the universe, but your inner world is inside your head.
10. Now O Danyal, that which you call vision is done when a homo sees things in his inner world first before seeing them in his outer world. And the things seen in the inner world are more of symbols rather than literal.
11. Now did the light say, now O Danyal, I shall teach you many symbols and you shall know how to interprete visions. Then did the light take me to a place where many figures appeared. And the light said to me, have you seen these animals before? And I said, I have not seen many of them. For I have heard that there exist not one more of them again.
12. For the wars of the sons of God at the beginning of the world did end the lives of many of them. Now did the light begin to explain the figures to me one after the other, saying, if you sleep and dream, seeing a dinosaur in your dream, know that your greater self is wishing for you to take time off much work and go for a round of pleasure.
13. And if you see it when you are already having pleasure, then know that what it means is that you need to look into the past times in your life.
14. Now after this manner did the light teach me more.
15. Now the light said to me, O Danyal, the things which are created by anyone’s imagination can be made to be accessed by another through the words which they read.
16. Then I said, how can that be? And the light said, the fire which you saw is made by the imagination of Nymphidis, one of the sons of God. And it could be accessed by anyone whose mind has been brought to the awareness of it.
17. Now did I say, how can one bring another to the awareness of the things in one’s head? Then the light said, by writing down the things which you want them to be aware of. And when such one has submitted to those things written down, they shall one day access those things in their heads also. For I have said before that all heads in the universe are connected to one another.
18. Now O Danyal, come now and I shall show you the things which you have ever imagined since you have been born. Then did the light show to me all the things I have ever imagined and the ones which I have ever done since I was born. And I saw all of them at once, for my vision was made broad.
19. Then the light said, come with me and I shall show you this place. Now did the light take me to a place where all manners of ugly creatures lay. And he said to me, whenever you are scared of a disease, you sometimes imagine yourself having it, and you get scared.
20. Now by continual thought of having such sickness shall it come upon he who thinks about it often. For your imaginations are very great.
21. Now as I said before, he who thinks of fire many times shall indeed end up igniting fire upon himself. And he who thinks of a better world all the time shall see the things which he thinks upon in his dreams and if he lives long enough, he shall see the things he imagined come to pass.
22. The secret of a happy life is to imagine only good things and cast away fears of the unknown and the future.
23. For life is what you think it is and not what others think it is on your behalf.
24. Now O Danyal, if you take life individually, you shall see only what you wish to see in it and the imaginations of others shall never once appear to you. Now O Danyal, think directly from your head and go only the places you wish for yourself. The path of fire imagined by some sons of God can be avoided if you take no thought of them.
25. And evil dreams can be turned to good if you ponder on good things in your meditations.
26. Now O Danyal, come back here at wish through deep meditations, and I shall appear to you to teach you more things.
27. Now when I opened my eyes upon my bed, I wept because I did not wish to leave that state where I was.

hmmm, even if u fabricated this or not, I can't help but to applaud. The message is quite clear...The power of digging deep into the brain sud not be underestimated...

I watched a video on the journey through meditation and many points raised in the video strengthens ur writing.

Great one otem, nice...

Image123:
What is the question, is that not why i asked that you speak English?

lol, ok then...

Image123:
Speak English.

Oh thank you...

Now answer d question

Image123:
My illustration showed prior knowledge, i said " You can know someone will die" from maybe a terminal illness. Omniscience is not emotion.

He knows from beginning to end. He knows he wud create man, then he knows he will regret creating man and he knows he will destroy man with flood after regretting....

Mr image, you are living proof that common sense is not common

Image123:
Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. To repent or regret in this context is simply to feel sorry. It has nothing to do with omniscience. You usually ask useless questions BTW.

Watz useless about the question, I dnt knw and I want to knw. is that a crime?

you haven't answered the question anyway...u sud ve kept silent wen u are short of knowledge and save ur face cus u ve only succeeded in causing more confusions....

To repent or regret in this context bla bla

KingEbukaNaija:
Oh look , someone has admitted he was ignorant about the subject .

I ridicule atheists for your entertainment, oh chisos

realmindz:
God is all perfect and all knowing, but he regretted creating man...meaning if he had known that man will become evil, he won't ve made such mistake of creating man....


so he never knew? oops he made a mistake..

Even the gods aren't perfect...

KingEbukaNaija winner01, you twin warriors have not addressed this question

Itz better being a Christian than being a Muslim...
islambad

otem4eartum:
Keandre, Realmindz, geoworldedu, Urahara,they said you people are me. Isn't this another CHRISTIAN LIE

yes, we are you...We are the trinity

God is all perfect and all knowing, but he regretted creating man...meaning if he had known that man will become evil, he won't ve made such mistake of creating man....


so he never knew? oops he made a mistake..

Even the gods aren't perfect...

When searching for unilag, I only search between 1 and 3

obinoral1179:
you said God is evil and wicked, what about the good things that was done by him. you said he killed young toddler, did you ask why pharoh decide to end every male child that was born to the hebrew women.



They are some question we cannot ask God until, we get to heaven.



Or you are asking why esther was favour and queen vashti was dethrone?


But no this God will not do a thing without a reason.

God loves u so much, he gave u his only begotten son so if u believe in him u shall not perish...

but If u don't believe in him, no matter how good u are, he shall set u on fire till eternity...

so much love


you brainwashed religious folks sud not get it twisted. If truly there is a God, he can not be the one of religion neither can he fit into the tales of the bible and Koran.

Tales of adam and eve populating the whole earth, to Noah, tower of babel and other beautiful nonsensical myths...

The "Love me/ believe me or perish in hell" concept etc

The God u guys preach is jst based on individual understanding and indoctrination. .

for those hating my comments, well I expected u to be emotional about ur jewish ancestors and gods...

But let's do this once and solve this confusions for life..

you guys sud create a thread and tell us

1.how different races came from Noah or Adam and eve.

2. How come the world cultures and ancient civilisations had no trace to Noah and a world apocalypse that wiped out all of humanity....

By so doing u would convince a whole lot of people that the jewish mythology is the true answer to our origin and ancestry.

Goddys:
my God is a God of miracle, not God of magic like reverad domino. He train and chastise His children and give them wealth according to what their hearts can handle so it doesn't lead them astray.
If you claim your god is so real to give you brain to make wealth, let's see your worth as I haven't seen your name in one of the top richest in Nigeria.

Even Dangote is what he is today because of seed he sowed in the life of late prophet Idahosa by vacating his flight seat for the man of God.

Go and get your facts right.

This is why I insult people...

luisina:
I guess you find pleasure in talking people down, that's a bitter way to live dear in my opinion. Btw, you slept ok last night yeah? Well, this daft lady is just checking up on you..

Ps: i don't wear wigs, i love braids better than weavons. I suggest you get to know a person better before you run your mouth on them, which i think it's a foolish thing to do sir... aka mr wise man.

I'm sorry.

luisina:
Atheist with arguments tho.. . They can argue for Africa. Them no wan take ear hear say God exists. Sometimes, I wonder why they take so many things God do for them on daily basis, things their almighty science can't explain, for granted.

Pls, atheists in the house, has science explained the process of sleeping and waking up in the next morning? If yes, how can we control death from seizing one's breath while asleep? I want to know. You guys obviously know it all. Do enlighten me

This question is not meant for this generation...
It takes us back to stone age wen men lived in caves..
Well I'm not disappointed, u are simply being African..that's why we still dance and shout looking into the sky while the whites are doing space explorations...
or why we still open our jaws in shock to praise the holy one in the sky wen we hear the sounds of thunders...


My dear lady, it's not just about putting on mops (wigs) to cover ur head...you need to hunt for knowledge to improve wat is inside..


Better question next time pls

Goddys:
He says Ask. Children of God don't beg. We ask and command in the name of Jesus Christ

just as you commanded ur helper to help you in Jesus name! pls get sense..


Otem, pls I beg you, edit his bank details for his privacy sake.
Do u knw people can get his real name with that? also I'm sure Eartum will not like u mocking another homo becus he was he in need...
pls let's help make our society a saner one dan th problems religion has caused already.

KingEbukaNaija:
Your knowledge of different gods came from your lessons in secondary school - isn't that a form of acknowledgment . God is not a Jewish God that's why he is being worshiped universally . Other gods couldn't stand the test of time , science , logic and reason .

mental dormancy is an unfortunate thing...I'm too lazy to break things down for u tonight...

To think that the bible is standing the test if time is quite amusing..? may ur type remain to remind us of stone age ideas so we can appreciate wat it takes to evolve...


I see a generation that will look back and laugh out loud at the gullibility and shortsightedness of their ancestors

KingEbukaNaija:
Funny enough winner01 , assuming the traditional gods were worshiped , the atheists will still repine that the whites that are worshiping the "Jewish God" are progressing while Nigeria is stuck with a backward religion that hinders progress .

whr ve I mentioned that the African gods be worshipped? I think u and ur twin warrior ve finally lost it...to acknowledge ur heritage is different from worshiping.


you are lost Mr.