₦airaland Forum

Donjazet2:
Then why don't we hear more from you guys publicly?
Do you know that the modern reform of Islam can only be carried out by folks like you?
Although I'm a bit skeptical about your liberalism sha, I don't recall you vehemently opposing what happened to Deborah. Please can you clarify your stance on that?

afrodoc2:
Nah. I just love reading and try to read versions from both sides of an argument. If one is not adequately informed one can’t make an informed decision.

OasisX:
Ansarudeen, Nawarudeen, NASFAT, QUAREEB, Ansar Islam and so on are not Sects but Groups under Sunni Sect. Ahmadiyyah is a Sect on its own. They have another holy book after Qur'an and they believe in another holy prophet after Muhammad [PBUH].

OasisX:



.... to be honest, I don't see Ahamdiyah Sect Members as true Muslims too.

iamoyindamola:
You say
Make them use my head play ball, these amadya sef we show them pepper for school
Imagine them wan divide mosque into 2 during jumaat naso we scatter everything

donstan18:
Is Amoto’s sect same as Bokoharam and Osama BinLaden?

But different from Damola because I think he doesn’t align with Amoto’s Islamic mindset.

Donjazet2:
I will continue to torment these BATstards here! They will have no breathing room to gaslight people. If you like call am toxicity oo, diagnosis oo, madness oo. Know that myself and sensible Nigerians will give you people no breathing room in your attempt to make Nigerians question their own realities.

Nigeria must get better.

BlueRayDick:
I will advise you shun any yeye protest under guise of aluta or SUG nonsense, except u have intention of being a politician later in the future.

All those nonsense no dey pay and u are at risk of being harmed in case the protest turns rowdy and the authorities decide to handle the protest by using force. The annoying part is those SUG guys will still receive money from the authorities in form of bribe, "transport" fare and "thanks for coming" . Na only the main SUG guys go share the money while the struggle will die a silent death.

If u no use ur head, dem go use am for u. Some of the main SUG guys I knew back then are either working for the state government in different capacities (In fact one of them contested the last LGA/LCDA elections last time and is now an elected Chairman of an LCDA in Lagos). These they were able to achieve because they had their game well planned and they used their connection from SUG days to warm their way into the political scene.

As for u wey be normal student , if ur skin no full no put body. Finish ur studies in peace and plan ur next move.

OasisX:
You should have known him better. He finds joy attacking Beliefs of both Muslims and Christians on this Board.

A001:
So says a slave. I understand your pattern of thought being a former Muslim myself. Just keep on running from looking at your religion objectively.

By reading good books of history and philosophy, you can break free from the shackles of religious indoctrination.

But you keep running away from those books. You don't want to learn the truth of life. Lols.

It's people like you that will be avoiding Philosophy class in school because you don't want the illusion that the book of lies you call a holy book has built in your mind since infancy.

Even if you avoid looking at your religion objectively between now and the 50 next years, if you're destined to be a freethinker, it'll still happen.

I only hope by then you wouldn't have wasted a substantial part of your life worshipping the local moongod from Saudi.

A001:
You're funny. You want to show me how culture is different from religion?

Nairaland is such a funny place. Type culture or What's culture? on Google and learn first.

Learn first before arguing. As I said before, religion is one of the major elements of culture. Culture is an umbrella term for language, belief systems or religion, norms, values, and customs of a people.

Maybe you got your definition from the same ignorant people that say Allah = Olohun = Yahweh = Ohomorihi.

A001:
Pele, your eyes go open one day sha because you don't even you're in slavery. If you know, you'd detest anything about Islam.

A001:
Thanks for letting us know your culture has no good thing in it. Is there anything good in your tribe at all?

Your tribe is the worst or one of the worst on Earth because your masters (the Arabs) say so?

Better go and research the history of your religion and your people and see the truth so you can emancipate yourself from mental slavery.

I know the culture of Arabs is the best in the world as far as you're concerned because it's the culture of Mohammed, the best of mankind. Lols

Some experts would soon coin a name for this sort of mental illness exhibited by fanatics.

A001:
Just face your studies and leave this discussion. You're at your wit end.

Religion (belief systems), language, customs, values, and norms are the key elements of culture.

Check the definition of culture in a standard dictionary or a standard book of sociology or anthropology.

Do that as an assignment and check the various definition of culture given by experts in that field.

I'm sure any students of Sociology or Anthropology that knows his onions will have a good laugh reading this comment of yours.

Go and learn about what you're debating first because you're obviously out of your depth.

BanyXchi:
Hahaha no bro some of my besties are from kogi. I just love Ebira people yk, they are very diverse, peaceful and hardworking, they have been in Ondo for more than a century now and we've never had any problem with them. You should proud of your ethnicity, because at the end of day no culture is perfect, we should just pick the goods in our cultures and work together to progress with it, that's what many successful ethnic groups across the world has done. There were times the British used to perform mass human sacrifices, then they had age of enlightenment, renaissance, age of discovery and so on and they progressed to what they are today.

A001:
Thanks for letting us know your culture has no good thing in it. Is there anything good in your tribe at all?

Your tribe is the worst or one of the worst on Earth because your masters (the Arabs) say so?

Better go and research the history of your religion and your people and see the truth so you can emancipate yourself from mental slavery.

I know the culture of Arabs is the best in the world as far as you're concerned because it's the culture of Mohammed, the best of mankind. Lols

Some experts would soon coin a name for this sort of mental illness exhibited by fanatics.

A001:
I just skimmed through this post because it lacks substance.

You obviously don't know the history of your people in Kogi. Your post is full of nonsense.

Learn your history first; oh, that's haram in Islam because you'd have to interact with pagans in your community.

You're allowed to learn the history of the Arabs through the religion of Islam but are forbidden from learning yours because it reeks of paganism.

Those pagans you look down on are much wiser and mentally stronger than you, who's a slave.

If not for them, the whole Nigeria will have become the property of the whites and the Arabs because people that are mentally weak like you wouldn't mind if the whole Nigeria becomes Muslims.

I know that's one of your prayers. You want the Arabic culture to wipe out the local cultures.

A001:
Tell me where I said culture is real. I already said that it's a social construct earlier, just the religion of Islam you cherish the most.

Some early humans designed all these things. Like culture, religion is also mental programming.

You're condemning the local culture (the entire culture) while celebrating the Arabic culture as a Muslim. Can you see you're a big hypocrite?

You slam your head on the floor five times daily in reverence for the Arabic culture; the religion of Islam is a key aspect of the culture of Arabs because religion is one of the key elements of culture.

Yet, you're condemning the local culture, which has both good and bad sides, like the Arabic culture as well.

Your argument would have made sense if you don't celebrate and haven't adopted the foreign culture of the Arabs being their slave.

You can't do without a culture. It's either you follow the local culture (the good aspects in them) because that's your identity or you follow the culture of the Arabs being their slave.

If everyone behaves like you, your language and culture would have died long ago. If a person's culture is dead, the people have aso died because the name of their ethnic will be wiped out and replaced with a new culture they've adopted.

Culture has many advantages, one of which is the preservation of the thoughts history, and belief systems of a people.

Your argument lacks merit because you've adopted the Arabic culture and regularly condemn and demonize the local culture the way a typical Muslim does.

The Arabs are just wiser than the typical African (who's weak mentally) being that most of them don't joke with Islam, a key aspect of their culture.

The foolish one will call his own culture devilish because the white or Arab man says so in the book of lies they regard as holy.

But the wise whiteman and Arab won't tolerate slandering or condemning of their cultures.

The slavemasters uphold their culture but the slaves condemn theirs. Well, there's a reason why they happily bear Abdul (slave) anyway.

They would say Abdullah (slave of Allah) but Allah, just like the other gods of religion, don't play any part in the activities of this planet.

Humans do all things. So, invariably someone that happily bears Abdullah is in reality a slave of the Arabs.

BanyXchi:
Ah no one is perfect oh, most pagan cultures across the world had their problems too, I love Ebira people oh, very hardworking.

A001:
You and the guy you quoted are not being realistic. Have you seen a human without a culture?

You exhibit your culture in all things you do. When you hate and condemn your culture, you're condemning and hating on yourself.

The world will treat you the way you treat yourself. If you say your culture is evil and barbaric, that makes you a barbaric and evil person because you can't do without a culture.

If you hype the good aspects of your culture, others will also respect you.

What you're doing is just to condemn the whole culture because of its bad elements.

You don't throw the baby away with the bath water.

All cultures have good and bad sides. I'm sure as a Muslim, you celebrate and uphold the culture of the Arabs being their slave.

The Arabic culture that you celebrate and revere also has its bad sides, just like all cultures of the world.

It's typical of the Muslims and Christians to condemn and demonize their culture while promoting foreign cultures.

If the Europeans and Arabs are as weak mentally as the average African man, you won't be celebrating and revering their culture.

In summary, condemn the bad aspects of your culture and promote the good ones, and stop demonizing the local culture while celebrating the Arabic culture that's even worse than our cultures in some ways.

BanyXchi:
pls which ethnic group are you from and what are the things about your tribe you hate so much.

A001:
God is a title. Olohun Eledumare is the pagan god that our forefathers in Yorubaland used to worship before they came in contact with the Europeans and Arabs.

Ohomorihi is the pagan god that the ancestors of you, Kogi people, used to worship as God before Christianity and Islam.

Allah is the native god of the Arabs. Yahweh is the local god of the Israelites. Olohun, Ohomorihi and the remaining native gods in this part of the world don't have an English translation.

Esu, a Yoruba term, is Esu in English. Esu is not Satan. Because the concept of Satan is alien to the Yoruba and the African cultures.

Satan is better called elenini in Yoruba (one who opposes or antagonizes others), not Eshu.

European colonialists and Arab conquerors just twisted the cultures of the indigenous people for their hegemonic campaigns.

Olohun is Olohun in English. That's who our forefathers worshipped in the olden days.

They didn't know anyone called Allah, just like the Arabs never knew (and don't know) any entity called Olohun because Allah is native to Arabs, just like Olohun is native to Yoruba.

In Yorubaland these days, only the traditionalists worship Olohun, but Yoruba Muslims worship Allah and deceive themselves they're worshipping Olohun.

How can Olohun be the same Allah when the Arabs don't know who Olohun is. Allah is their own native god peculiar to their culture and starkly different from Olohun or Ohomorihi.

Each of these gods has a unique history, showing they're different entities.

Allah is a different entity from Olohun or Ohomorihi because Olohun and Ohomorihi are pagan gods.

Only those that don't know the history of the local gods would be calling Allah, Olohun or Ohomorihi the same entity simply because each of them claims the title of God.

It's like saying Ronaldo is the same as Messi because both claim the title of GOAT.

Anyway, all these gods people worship in religions are past beings, whether it's Allah, Olohun, Atum, Zeus, Ohomorihi and thousands of others that have been worshipped in human history.

The gods are gifted humans that had lived in the past.

Even all these local deities in Yorubaland, the likes of Ifa, Obatala, Orunmila, Osun, Ogun, Sango are past beings that had lived on Earth.

If you tell the pagans (the olorishas) that their deities were once human before they became gods, they would be deceiving themselves that they are spirits. Until you read the Odu Ifa (corpus) and start seeing how these native gods and goddesses had existed in the past on this planet as humans.

Religious people like the ATR practitioners just like to deceive themselves, treating everything with superstition.

Anyone familiar with the religious texts of the African traditionalists, Bible, Qur'an, those of ancient Egyptians (before they got conquered by Arabs) that worshipped Atum and Ra, and the religious texts of Greece when they used to worship Zeus as the chief god or God before Christianity, would easily know that all gods of religions have human-like features.

So, it's not incorrect to call them past beings because in history, humans have deified a lot of people and worshipped them as God during the dark ages.

They passed this tradition of worshipping gifted people as God from one generation to another, and over time, the history of those they deified as God gets lost or corrupted.

Then, they start saying "Yemoja is a spirit, goddess of the sea", but when they start reciting their Odu Ifa (Ifa corpus), you'd spot the human-like traits of Yemoja.

The same thing applies to Allah and the other gods of religions.

Amoto94:
The meaning of the word Ohomorihi means the King of Rainmakers literally which is roughly translated to Supreme Being in meaning just like how God is the corruption of the word Odin.

A001:
Yes. Ohomorihi is the pagan God that Kogi people worshipped before the advent of Christianity and Islam.

Ohomorihi is to Kogi people what Allah is to Arabs, what Yahweh is to Isrealites, what Olorun Eledumare is to Yorubas, and what Chineke or Chukwu is to Ibos.

Each of the gods is different from one another and has distinct histories.

A001:
So, you and Amoto are both from Kogi. This is the first time I'd hear someone say Ohomorihi, the pagan God of the Kogi people before the advent of Christianity and Islam.

Amoto94:
I should be in Okene by December God willing I have Excel Business Skills course to give you.

Donjazet2:
I want you to do just one thing.
Click on this posts below and tell me who or what provoked these extreme talking points? When you're done you will recognize how inane it is to try and justify this amount of hate.
Just check out these posts below and be baffled.

https://www.nairaland.com/2170484/fashola-got-tongue-lashed-saying#31140690

https://www.nairaland.com/1018933/ojukwu-killed-lt-col-banjo/9#11864997
https://www.nairaland.com/2001202/oba-ikotuns-mother-died-what#28097212