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 Islam › Re: Hijab, Qur'an, Law, And Religion. by RedPanda: 2:24am On Jan 01, 2018 |
Empiree:It's a big deal because you cannot impose your way of life or inject religion into a profession. Your constitutional right to practice your religion freely is within the confines of that religion, it is not an absolute right act anyhow. In any case, the constitution doesn't enshrine hijab in workplaces. I dunno about slave masters, but I know the hijab is banned expressly in workplaces in the European Union. http://www.dw.com/en/ecj-headscarf-ruling-and-its-consequences/a-37937433 The US has anti-masking laws that deal with burka and niqab. Hijab is banned in some circumstances. Hijab is only a problem because Muslims decide to make it a problem. The country isn't an Islamic country, so they should agitate for a country of their own. It is offensive for Muslims to insist on injecting religion into organisations. Next thing will be the military and then other professions that require religious/political neutrality. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by RedPanda: 7:17pm On Dec 31, 2017 |
NotComplaining:why don't you show the verse? why is that such a very hard thing that is requiring this very long and twisted explanation. Just show the verse now 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by RedPanda: 5:12pm On Dec 31, 2017 |
NotComplaining:where did Jesus mention Ahmed? please show the verse or continue in your delusions........ 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by RedPanda: 2:23pm On Dec 31, 2017 |
NotComplaining:This is a very twisted understanding of scriptures no wonder muslims are as confused as anything. This is just plain rubbish How can Jesus speak of muhammed when Islam came in 1000 years after Judaism. My God....such delusions 12 Likes 3 Shares |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by RedPanda: 2:01pm On Dec 31, 2017 |
frosbel2:This is an inaccurate presentation of the facts. Read this to get some historical perspective A common misperception is that the Jews were forced into the diaspora by the Romans after the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem in the year 70 A.D. and then, 1,800 years later, suddenly returned to Palestine demanding their country back. In reality, the Jewish people have maintained ties to their historic homeland for more than 3,700 years. A national language and a distinct civilization have been maintained. The Jewish people base their claim to the land of Israel on at least four premises: 1) God promised the land to the patriarch Abraham; 2) the Jewish people settled and developed the land; 3) the international community granted political sovereignty in Palestine to the Jewish people and 4) the territory was captured in defensive wars. The term "Palestine" is believed to be derived from the Philistines, an Aegean people who, in the 12th Century B.C., settled along the Mediterranean coastal plain of what is now Israel and the Gaza Strip. In the second century A.D., after crushing the last Jewish revolt, the Romans first applied the name Palaestina to Judea (the southern portion of what is now called the West Bank) in an attempt to minimize Jewish identification with the land of Israel. The Arabic word "Filastin" is derived from this Latin name. The Twelve Tribes of Israel formed the first constitutional monarchy in Palestine about 1000 B.C. The second king, David, first made Jerusalem the nation's capital. Although eventually Palestine was split into two separate kingdoms, Jewish independence there lasted for 212 years. This is almost as long as Americans have enjoyed independence in what has become known as the United States. Even after the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem and the beginning of the exile, Jewish life in Palestine continued and often flourished. Large communities were reestablished in Jerusalem and Tiberias by the ninth century. In the 11th century, Jewish communities grew in Rafah, Gaza, Ashkelon, Jaffa and Caesarea. Many Jews were massacred by the Crusaders during the 12th century, but the community rebounded in the next two centuries as large numbers of rabbis and Jewish pilgrims immigrated to Jerusalem and the Galilee. Prominent rabbis established communities in Safed, Jerusalem and elsewhere during the next 300 years. By the early 19th century-years before the birth of the modern Zionist movement-more than 10,000 Jews lived throughout what is today Israel. When Jews began to immigrate to Palestine in large numbers in 1882, fewer than 250,000 Arabs lived there, and the majority of them had arrived in recent decades. Palestine was never an exclusively Arab country, although Arabic gradually became the language of most the population after the Muslim invasions of the seventh century. No independent Arab or Palestinian state ever existed in Palestine. When the distinguished Arab-American historian, Princeton University Prof. Philip Hitti, testified against partition before the Anglo-American Committee in 1946, he said: "There is no such thing as 'Palestine' in history, absolutely not." In fact, Palestine is never explicitly mentioned in the Koran, rather it is called "the holy land" (al-Arad al-Muqaddash). Prior to partition, Palestinian Arabs did not view themselves as having a separate identity. When the First Congress of Muslim-Christian Associations met in Jerusalem in February 1919 to choose Palestinian representatives for the Paris Peace Conference, the following resolution was adopted: We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria, as it has never been separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographical bonds. In 1937, a local Arab leader, Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, told the Peel Commission, which ultimately suggested the partition of Palestine: "There is no such country [as Palestine]! 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria." The representative of the Arab Higher Committee to the United Nations submitted a statement to the General Assembly in May 1947 that said "Palestine was part of the Province of Syria" and that, "politically, the Arabs of Palestine were not independent in the sense of forming a separate political entity." A few years later, Ahmed Shuqeiri, later the chairman of the PLO, told the Security Council: "It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria." Palestinian Arab nationalism is largely a post-World War I phenomenon that did not become a significant political movement until after the 1967 Six-Day War and Israel's capture of the West Bank. Israel's international "birth certificate" was validated by the promise of the Bible; uninterrupted Jewish settlement from the time of Joshua onward; the Balfour Declaration of 1917; the League of Nations Mandate, which incorporated the Balfour Declaration; the United Nations partition resolution of 1947; Israel's admission to the UN in 1949; the recognition of Israel by most other states; and, most of all, the society created by Israel's people in decades of thriving, dynamic national existence. Sources: Moshe Kohn, “The Arabs’ ‘Lie’ of the Land,” Jerusalem Post, (October 18, 1991); Avner Yaniv, PLO, (Jerusalem: Israel Universities Study Group of Middle Eastern Affairs, August 1974), p. 5; Encyclopaedia Judaica. For more historical reading, check this https://www.quora.com/In-how-many-states-has-your-birthplace-been-How-many-states-through-history-limit-yourself-to-AD-if-needed-have-held-the-territory-where-your-birthplace-is-located-Which-states-were-those/answer/Uri-Granta?share=ccb7f197&srid=oP5L 8 Likes |
| Islam › Re: Hijab, Qur'an, Law, And Religion. by RedPanda: 1:49pm On Dec 31, 2017 |
tintingz:I disagree with the deism as having more of an influence than classical mainstream Christianity. At best, we can say they both had some influence on the founders and both were utilised in birthing the new nation. You can't have a population of 80% comprised of believers and then deism is what is holding the fabric of national consciousness together it doesn't make any sense. https://www.britannica.com/topic/The-Founding-Fathers-Deism-and-Christianity-1272214 This guy correctly dissects what is known as ceremonial deism https://www.alternet.org/belief/4-ways-christianity-sneaks-our-secular-government-and-why-it-matters |
| Islam › Re: Hijab, Qur'an, Law, And Religion. by RedPanda: 8:25am On Dec 31, 2017 |
tintingz:Let me put it this way. Although Secularism is enshrined in the bill of rights, you can't have a population of almost 80% Christians without some influence on its foundations and constitution. That's what i'm getting at. It's not a very strict form of secularism like you find in France. The secularism basically developed from not being wanting to be like the European nations especially Great Britain.You have the national prayer day, you have christian prayers said in schools, Crosses and Christian motto in public buildings, 'In God we trust' as a motto and on the currency, even the national anthem and the dominance and influence of the Christian Right in government. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Where Is Isreal's Original Land? by RedPanda: 8:04am On Dec 31, 2017 |
| Islam › Re: Hijab, Qur'an, Law, And Religion. by RedPanda: 1:23am On Dec 31, 2017 |
tintingz:http://www.pewresearch.org/2007/12/03/religion-and-secularism-the-american-experience/ |
| Islam › Re: Hijab, Qur'an, Law, And Religion. by RedPanda: 1:04am On Dec 31, 2017 |
tintingz:You are confusing the religious faith of the founders with the principles that formed the constitution. In any case, if the largest group of founders retained christian practices and loyalties and another group outrightly practicing christians....there is no way that combination of groups can produce a totally secular system. |
| Islam › Re: Hijab, Qur'an, Law, And Religion. by RedPanda: 12:58am On Dec 31, 2017 |
Empiree:Country's constitution doesn't enshrine hijab in workplaces. If they don't have a written rule down on dress code, it doesn't take long to make an unwritten rule written. I dont know about harassing and assaulting on streets, that's wrong but this place isn't Saudi Arabia or Iran. I do agree with you we need more tolerance. 2 Likes |
| Islam › Re: Hijab, Qur'an, Law, And Religion. by RedPanda: 12:32am On Dec 31, 2017 |
tintingz:You are right |
| Islam › Re: Hijab, Qur'an, Law, And Religion. by RedPanda: 12:28am On Dec 31, 2017 |
Empiree:you are mixing apples and oranges here. Just calm down and follow simple logic. Using bible or quran during swearing in ceremonies are optional. If you want, you can use. As most folks here are religious, they opt to swear either using the bible or quran. it's there personal decision. As your friend tithingz was implying, an atheist woudn't need to use any of that. It's a choice of the participants. As for the UK, using hijab in court has to be a personal decision of their law bodies, they have the discretion just as we do. This thing is simple now. Just calm down and don't let emotions cloud your judgement. As I have said before, it is for the NBA or the College of benchers to determine how the members of the organisation dress during official organisational duties. End of story. They can either decide to accept any kind of clothing or specify the appropriate dress code for their activities. It is a voluntary organisation, there is no compulsion in joining them. If you want to join them , you abide by their rules. it's that simple. Even if it is allowed in the UK that has got nothing to do with Nigeria. We are not UK. We are Nigeria and we are multi-religious here and we don't want a situation where one religion is given some kind of special treatment over the others. If we start allowing religiously mandated clothing now in various activities you find that opens you up to give the same parity to other religions. You are looking at Catholic nuns, K&S regalia, Cele regalias, Olumba Olumba, Refromed Ogboni fratenity, Various Traditionalists.... what you have is chaos. Hence why state religion was expressly banned so we can all co-exist in peace. Keep your religious inclinations private. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Where Is Isreal's Original Land? by RedPanda: 12:12am On Dec 31, 2017 |
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-claim-to-the-land-of-israel A common misperception is that the Jews were forced into the diaspora by the Romans after the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem in the year 70 A.D. and then, 1,800 years later, suddenly returned to Palestine demanding their country back. In reality, the Jewish people have maintained ties to their historic homeland for more than 3,700 years. A national language and a distinct civilization have been maintained. The Jewish people base their claim to the land of Israel on at least four premises: 1) God promised the land to the patriarch Abraham; 2) the Jewish people settled and developed the land; 3) the international community granted political sovereignty in Palestine to the Jewish people and 4) the territory was captured in defensive wars. The term "Palestine" is believed to be derived from the Philistines, an Aegean people who, in the 12th Century B.C., settled along the Mediterranean coastal plain of what is now Israel and the Gaza Strip. In the second century A.D., after crushing the last Jewish revolt, the Romans first applied the name Palaestina to Judea (the southern portion of what is now called the West Bank) in an attempt to minimize Jewish identification with the land of Israel. The Arabic word "Filastin" is derived from this Latin name. The Twelve Tribes of Israel formed the first constitutional monarchy in Palestine about 1000 B.C. The second king, David, first made Jerusalem the nation's capital. Although eventually Palestine was split into two separate kingdoms, Jewish independence there lasted for 212 years. This is almost as long as Americans have enjoyed independence in what has become known as the United States. Even after the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem and the beginning of the exile, Jewish life in Palestine continued and often flourished. Large communities were reestablished in Jerusalem and Tiberias by the ninth century. In the 11th century, Jewish communities grew in Rafah, Gaza, Ashkelon, Jaffa and Caesarea. Many Jews were massacred by the Crusaders during the 12th century, but the community rebounded in the next two centuries as large numbers of rabbis and Jewish pilgrims immigrated to Jerusalem and the Galilee. Prominent rabbis established communities in Safed, Jerusalem and elsewhere during the next 300 years. By the early 19th century-years before the birth of the modern Zionist movement-more than 10,000 Jews lived throughout what is today Israel. When Jews began to immigrate to Palestine in large numbers in 1882, fewer than 250,000 Arabs lived there, and the majority of them had arrived in recent decades. Palestine was never an exclusively Arab country, although Arabic gradually became the language of most the population after the Muslim invasions of the seventh century. No independent Arab or Palestinian state ever existed in Palestine. When the distinguished Arab-American historian, Princeton University Prof. Philip Hitti, testified against partition before the Anglo-American Committee in 1946, he said: "There is no such thing as 'Palestine' in history, absolutely not." In fact, Palestine is never explicitly mentioned in the Koran, rather it is called "the holy land" (al-Arad al-Muqaddash). Prior to partition, Palestinian Arabs did not view themselves as having a separate identity. When the First Congress of Muslim-Christian Associations met in Jerusalem in February 1919 to choose Palestinian representatives for the Paris Peace Conference, the following resolution was adopted: We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria, as it has never been separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographical bonds. In 1937, a local Arab leader, Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, told the Peel Commission, which ultimately suggested the partition of Palestine: "There is no such country [as Palestine]! 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria." The representative of the Arab Higher Committee to the United Nations submitted a statement to the General Assembly in May 1947 that said "Palestine was part of the Province of Syria" and that, "politically, the Arabs of Palestine were not independent in the sense of forming a separate political entity." A few years later, Ahmed Shuqeiri, later the chairman of the PLO, told the Security Council: "It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria." Palestinian Arab nationalism is largely a post-World War I phenomenon that did not become a significant political movement until after the 1967 Six-Day War and Israel's capture of the West Bank. Israel's international "birth certificate" was validated by the promise of the Bible; uninterrupted Jewish settlement from the time of Joshua onward; the Balfour Declaration of 1917; the League of Nations Mandate, which incorporated the Balfour Declaration; the United Nations partition resolution of 1947; Israel's admission to the UN in 1949; the recognition of Israel by most other states; and, most of all, the society created by Israel's people in decades of thriving, dynamic national existence. Sources: Moshe Kohn, “The Arabs’ ‘Lie’ of the Land,” Jerusalem Post, (October 18, 1991); Avner Yaniv, PLO, (Jerusalem: Israel Universities Study Group of Middle Eastern Affairs, August 1974), p. 5; Encyclopaedia Judaica. |
| Islam › Re: Hijab, Qur'an, Law, And Religion. by RedPanda: 12:01am On Dec 31, 2017 |
tintingz:Read this http://www.newsweek.com/north-korea-communist-critics-warn-failure-understand-kim-jong-uns-beliefs-672399 |
| Islam › Re: Hijab, Qur'an, Law, And Religion. by RedPanda: 11:58pm On Dec 30, 2017 |
tintingz:The US was definitely built on Judeo christian values. That's not in doubt at all. http://www.heritage.org/political-process/report/did-america-have-christian-founding |
| Islam › Re: Hijab, Qur'an, Law, And Religion. by RedPanda: 11:53pm On Dec 30, 2017 |
Empiree:so you don't know. Let me educate you then. it is not required by any law. it is just customary and you don't have to use either bible or quran to take an oath whether during political ceremonies or other ceremonies 1 Like |
| Islam › Re: Hijab, Qur'an, Law, And Religion. by RedPanda: 11:47pm On Dec 30, 2017 |
Empiree:is it required by law? |
| Islam › Re: Hijab, Qur'an, Law, And Religion. by RedPanda: 11:40pm On Dec 30, 2017 |
tintingz:China doesn't even have that much patience, those things are banned there too. I think north korea is an atheist/agnostic state |
| Islam › Re: Hijab, Qur'an, Law, And Religion. by RedPanda: 11:37pm On Dec 30, 2017 |
Empiree:Lol...smh  .... you still don't get secularism?....I'm not surprised though the concept doesn't exist in Islam. All the countries you are quoting esp US or the UK are Christian countries... The UK in particular is a christian country,Theresa may in her Christmas speech just 5 days ago emphasized the UK's christian heritage. Same as the Queen. The US has 'In God we trust'. The UK has 5% Muslim population, The US is even worse just about 1%. With Brexit and Donald trump you can be sure the Islamic growth in those countries will not grow exponentially at least in the next 10 years. France is an example of a secular country. Having removed itself from the control of the Catholic church in the 1920s they are not about to let Islamist run over their country. Burqa is banned, Niqqab is banned, Hijab is restricted. That's the hallmark of a secular country. Keep your religion to yourself. Wear hijab in your house or to your mosque. I will still repeat it, the best way to achieve this sharia dreamland is to agitate for your own country, the muslims can move to their country and create their sharia paradise for themselves. 1 Like |
| Islam › Re: Hijab, Qur'an, Law, And Religion. by RedPanda: 11:57am On Dec 30, 2017*. Modified: 2:19pm On Dec 30, 2017 |
Empiree:You misunderstand a lot of things. where do we start? First of all the concept of secularism entails the separation of religion from politics. In order words keep your religion private. Religion shouldn't partake in the governance of society. Now this is a problem in Islam because Islam doesn't have any notion of this kind of separation. The prophet was a political leader, and Islam is also supposed to govern all aspect of life of its adherents. This is why there is a clash in ideology. Nigeria is a multi religious, multi cultural and multi ethnic society and the only way everyone can live in peace is if religion is kept out of the governance of the country. The Osun matter or Lagos matter hasn't been fought to the supreme court so i wont hold my breadth but it's obvious to see how that act breaches the no state religion clause of the constitution. In a secular country, religiously neutral clothing ought to be implemented in public schools and public government institutions across board affecting all religious inclinations. wear your hijab in your house or to your place of worship. Keep it off public government properties 1 Like |
| Islam › Re: Hijab, Qur'an, Law, And Religion. by RedPanda: 11:41am On Dec 30, 2017 |
@Empiree; some quick thoughts with you. The first thing most Islamists should consider is that if you want an Islamic country with full sharia everywhere you should consider the partition of the country so you can have your Islamic state. Sharia can never be implemented across broad in a country like Nigeria where half of the country is non-muslim. So, it is better for the Islamist to agitate for their own country. They seem to be afraid to do this. This is what happened in Pakistan;Sudan etc. Now the only way to live in peace and Unity is to have a secular constitution which bans a state religion. Nigeria was colonised by the british and thank goodness for that...so we have that christian background and framework. Our forefathers erred by retaining the entrapment called Nigeria when given the chance for independence, they should have each gone their separate ways maybe the North would be like Sudan now and we can all live in peace. Now on the issues, the right to freedom of religion is not an absolute right. In any case, In a secular country like Nigeria that has banned the notion of a state religion, organisations have the right to determine the dress code of its members in the organisation. This is an organisational right that doesn't infringe on anybody's secular rights. I will say this in another way, it doesn't constitute discrimination if an organisation decides to implement religious neutral clothing across board in a secular country. This should be obvious to any intelligent mind. It is a matter for the NBA or the college of benchers to determine for their organisation how the organisational members should be dressed when identifying with the organisation or carrying out its duties.. If you don't agree with such then don't join or go there. it's very simple. |
| Islam › Re: OAU Professor Durosinmi Writes On Muslim Students In Hijab by RedPanda: 11:14am On Dec 30, 2017 |
Xisnin:well said |
| Islam › Re: OAU Professor Durosinmi Writes On Muslim Students In Hijab by RedPanda: 1:14pm On Dec 29, 2017 |
| Islam › Re: OAU Professor Durosinmi Writes On Muslim Students In Hijab by RedPanda: 1:02pm On Dec 29, 2017 |
AntiIslam59:I have to agree with this 100%. we are not in an islamic country. The country should be partitioned so the islamist can have there heaven. Not one of the fully controlled islamic States in the world practicising sharia today is paradise. They are all backward terror breeding grounds. 1 Like |
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