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|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by frosbel2: 1:58pm On Dec 31, 2017|
Obviously not a Christian!
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by BetaThings: 1:59pm On Dec 31, 2017|
Kindly refrain from debating anyone who insults Allah and His Messenger. We belong to a religion of akhlaq.
We don't insult anyone worshipped by others. And we are to shun those who do.
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by GoodGovernance: 2:00pm On Dec 31, 2017|
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by AFONJAPIG(f): 2:00pm On Dec 31, 2017|
Demmzy15:if he is not a bastardized son of Abraham then what is he
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by sorom4: 2:00pm On Dec 31, 2017|
danvon:Are you aware that most Americans are Jews? Are you also aware that the vast economy of America is dependent on American Jews? The Jews run America
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by RedPanda: 2:01pm On Dec 31, 2017|
This is an inaccurate presentation of the facts. Read this to get some historical perspective
A common misperception is that the Jews were forced into the diaspora by the Romans after the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem in the year 70 A.D. and then, 1,800 years later, suddenly returned to Palestine demanding their country back. In reality, the Jewish people have maintained ties to their historic homeland for more than 3,700 years. A national language and a distinct civilization have been maintained.
The Jewish people base their claim to the land of Israel on at least four premises: 1) God promised the land to the patriarch Abraham; 2) the Jewish people settled and developed the land; 3) the international community granted political sovereignty in Palestine to the Jewish people and 4) the territory was captured in defensive wars.
The term "Palestine" is believed to be derived from the Philistines, an Aegean people who, in the 12th Century B.C., settled along the Mediterranean coastal plain of what is now Israel and the Gaza Strip. In the second century A.D., after crushing the last Jewish revolt, the Romans first applied the name Palaestina to Judea (the southern portion of what is now called the West Bank) in an attempt to minimize Jewish identification with the land of Israel. The Arabic word "Filastin" is derived from this Latin name.
The Twelve Tribes of Israel formed the first constitutional monarchy in Palestine about 1000 B.C. The second king, David, first made Jerusalem the nation's capital. Although eventually Palestine was split into two separate kingdoms, Jewish independence there lasted for 212 years. This is almost as long as Americans have enjoyed independence in what has become known as the United States.
Even after the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem and the beginning of the exile, Jewish life in Palestine continued and often flourished. Large communities were reestablished in Jerusalem and Tiberias by the ninth century. In the 11th century, Jewish communities grew in Rafah, Gaza, Ashkelon, Jaffa and Caesarea.
Many Jews were massacred by the Crusaders during the 12th century, but the community rebounded in the next two centuries as large numbers of rabbis and Jewish pilgrims immigrated to Jerusalem and the Galilee. Prominent rabbis established communities in Safed, Jerusalem and elsewhere during the next 300 years. By the early 19th century-years before the birth of the modern Zionist movement-more than 10,000 Jews lived throughout what is today Israel.
When Jews began to immigrate to Palestine in large numbers in 1882, fewer than 250,000 Arabs lived there, and the majority of them had arrived in recent decades. Palestine was never an exclusively Arab country, although Arabic gradually became the language of most the population after the Muslim invasions of the seventh century. No independent Arab or Palestinian state ever existed in Palestine. When the distinguished Arab-American historian, Princeton University Prof. Philip Hitti, testified against partition before the Anglo-American Committee in 1946, he said: "There is no such thing as 'Palestine' in history, absolutely not." In fact, Palestine is never explicitly mentioned in the Koran, rather it is called "the holy land" (al-Arad al-Muqaddash).
Prior to partition, Palestinian Arabs did not view themselves as having a separate identity. When the First Congress of Muslim-Christian Associations met in Jerusalem in February 1919 to choose Palestinian representatives for the Paris Peace Conference, the following resolution was adopted:
We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria, as it has never been separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographical bonds.
In 1937, a local Arab leader, Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, told the Peel Commission, which ultimately suggested the partition of Palestine: "There is no such country [as Palestine]! 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria."
The representative of the Arab Higher Committee to the United Nations submitted a statement to the General Assembly in May 1947 that said "Palestine was part of the Province of Syria" and that, "politically, the Arabs of Palestine were not independent in the sense of forming a separate political entity." A few years later, Ahmed Shuqeiri, later the chairman of the PLO, told the Security Council: "It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria."
Palestinian Arab nationalism is largely a post-World War I phenomenon that did not become a significant political movement until after the 1967 Six-Day War and Israel's capture of the West Bank.
Israel's international "birth certificate" was validated by the promise of the Bible; uninterrupted Jewish settlement from the time of Joshua onward; the Balfour Declaration of 1917; the League of Nations Mandate, which incorporated the Balfour Declaration; the United Nations partition resolution of 1947; Israel's admission to the UN in 1949; the recognition of Israel by most other states; and, most of all, the society created by Israel's people in decades of thriving, dynamic national existence.
Sources: Moshe Kohn, “The Arabs’ ‘Lie’ of the Land,” Jerusalem Post, (October 18, 1991); Avner Yaniv, PLO, (Jerusalem: Israel Universities Study Group of Middle Eastern Affairs, August 1974), p. 5; Encyclopaedia Judaica.
For more historical reading, check this
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by danvon(m): 2:04pm On Dec 31, 2017|
sorom4:That's why it's a mess
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by Adminisher: 2:04pm On Dec 31, 2017|
Who is a JEW?. Genetically, Only God himself knows. Except if we are referring to Jewish religion.
I have heard very credible information that the rulling family in Saudi Arabia has Jewish blood. There are jews in Morocco and Tunisia. People are very shallow in reading the bible.
The current state of Israel was a UK creation but history is so distorted about origins of various people when not less than six great empires have conquered the holy land. Who is a JEW?
My advice to Nigeria . Take the Christian standpoint on issues not the Jewish. Jews killed Jesus. They serially followed other god's throughout their history even though the were God's chosen people.
David was a murderer and Solomon was the greatest black magic guy the world ever knew.
Christianity is for gentiles although most Jews will give their lives to Christ before he comes again.
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|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by buffalowings: 2:05pm On Dec 31, 2017|
These Muslims sef
Islam came 600yrs after Christianity
I don't know why they think they own Jerusalem
Even at that the people the Jews displaced originally from their supposed promised land were not muslims
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by Neddyogu(m): 2:06pm On Dec 31, 2017|
danvon:Gen 16: 10-12
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by Nobody: 2:08pm On Dec 31, 2017|
Jerusalem belong to all of Humanity and will remain so.
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by danvon(m): 2:10pm On Dec 31, 2017|
Neddyogu:Was that a curse?
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by Nakuza(m): 2:10pm On Dec 31, 2017|
Hati13:point of correction Sir, after the Holocaust, that is the killing of six millions Jews by Adolf Hitler of Germany. The whole world took pity on what befell the Jews and proposed a nationality of Jews should be created to avoid another onslaught on them. Then the first place that the world suggested for their settlement was Ethiopia which the Jews rejected and said they prefer to go back to their ancestry city Jerusalem. I would advise you to do research on Zionists Movement to have a clear picture of the whole story. Tnks.
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by Malawian(m): 2:11pm On Dec 31, 2017|
Olu317:Oga, leave super story and go carry your "palestinians" return to Jordan. Haba!
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|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by JFT24(m): 2:12pm On Dec 31, 2017|
danvon:Subhanalillah. Muslims never rejected Jesus (ASW), just that we see him for what he is (Prophet), while you people refer to him as Son of God Subhanallah. Meanwhile, La ilaha ilallah Muhammad Salallahu Alayhim Wa Salam
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by buffalowings: 2:16pm On Dec 31, 2017|
Isn't it wonderful that the premise of the quran is mostly based on the torah
Isn't it wonderful that Islam came to beign 600yrs after Christianity
If I'm to be a religious person wouldn't it be better to go with the original rather that following the dumbed down version
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by GogobiriLalas: 2:16pm On Dec 31, 2017|
Jerusalem is the root of Ife whence cameth Adua progeny of the Yrva/Yoruba race...hence Jerusalem is the second holiest place to the Yrva.... Moosies can form lie chai!
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by Diesel1(m): 2:16pm On Dec 31, 2017|
analize701:Hahaha... you're just killing these niggaz with facts
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by Nobody: 2:17pm On Dec 31, 2017|
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by NotComplaining: 2:19pm On Dec 31, 2017|
I agree that Abram was neither a jew or a xtian. He Abram was one who submitted to the will of God and that in arabic is 'Tasleem', and the one who submits is a Muslim. Abram was a Muslim as Islam was was the first of all religions on the planet.
Culturally, Abram was a persian. His name originates from the persian Farsi language, not Hebrew, Aramaic or Latin. So linguistically you christians have no claim to the name neither does the Torah, Thalmud or New Testament.
Whenever you mount an attack on Islam and Muslims you are mounting a greater attack on xianity. Jesus never ever called his followers christians! Remember he was always a jew!
Christianity is not a way of life, we know this because Jesus only came to implement the laws that came before him. So you mean Judaism is a way of life. And we know today that Judaism is obsolete, irrelevent and unrobust.
All the people of the past were Muslims. You cant bring a point without showing bias. Why cant we call Jesus a Muslim?
And Jesus spoke of one that will come after him that his name will be Ahmed (praise worthy) and Muhammed is the praise worthy one. Is Ahmed not mentioned in Barnabos gospel? How many Ahmeds came after Jesus that achieved the feat of Muhammed?
You guy lack sincerity and dont know history.
Please dont let me start because if I do you will run..If you dont know your religion abstain from debate.
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by lakesider(m): 2:19pm On Dec 31, 2017|
How will this affect Nigerians and Nigeria
Why are Nigerian Op and bloggers very stupid people ?
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by Mujtahida: 2:20pm On Dec 31, 2017|
PastorAIO:That female is a psychopath full of anger and hatred. She literally poisons everywhere she goes with her foul stench. I have never seen a Christian so full of hatred. Her soul is diseased
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by danvon(m): 2:23pm On Dec 31, 2017|
lakesider:In a country where people claim to be Jews, where people practice Sharia law, where we have boko haram you really asked this question?
Flag of Nigeria before independence
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by RedPanda: 2:23pm On Dec 31, 2017|
NotComplaining:This is a very twisted understanding of scriptures no wonder muslims are as confused as anything. This is just plain rubbish
How can Jesus speak of muhammed when Islam came in 1000 years after Judaism. My God....such delusions
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|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by pressplay411(m): 2:25pm On Dec 31, 2017|
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by maestroferddi: 2:27pm On Dec 31, 2017|
danvon:Be careful with what you wish for...
The last I checked, over 20 so-called Arab nations allied themselves against Israel in 1957 and 1970.
Yet tiny Israel with less than three decades of nationhood easily took them out.
If not for this mistake called the United Nations, Israel had the might and was ready to take Cairo, Damascus, Amman and you have it Mecca, Riyadh and Medina
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by Blakjewelry(m): 2:28pm On Dec 31, 2017|
Olu317:Outside the Bible, genetically they are all from the same stock. And all archeological evidence proof same... Find the documentary Moses the man and the myth. So if is religion which is causing this riff until tomorrow
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by jrusky(m): 2:28pm On Dec 31, 2017|
Pls who is this which book of Revelation told you all these crap bro? But wait a minute why can't you Muslim just leave this matter to rest? Either you accept it or not Jerusaleum belong to Jews simple as that.
Your prophet came to part of Jerusaleum fought war and took over that part of the city . Pls may I asked you can you tell me who were the ones your prophet fought and conquered Did he fought ghost, goats, monkeys and conquered? Bro which simply means some people occupied that land before he came with war monger so I put it to you who are those people living in that city before he came
Bro receive sense pls because Jew can not be drunk and claim they owned Jeddah so get life or pls f e c k off.
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by maestroferddi: 2:32pm On Dec 31, 2017|
RedPanda:Anybody with even elementary knowledge of history and
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by musicwriter(m): 2:32pm On Dec 31, 2017|
In Muhammad's lifetime, it was a fairly unimportant city in the Byzantine Empire. It was a Christian city without a single mosque.
Indeed, not just Palestinians, but the entire Middle East were the first Christians. They're still the same people in Palestine today, but simply changed religion when Rome hijacked and corrupted Christianity. So, Jerusalem remains a Palestinian land. Someone doesn't lose his property because he changed religion.
However, they were originally black and have lightened out over time. Most of them ran into Africa around 70 AD, and still live among us today. Most were also sold into slavery.
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|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by Hati13(m): 2:33pm On Dec 31, 2017|
Nakuza:What I said above is me just joking.
Yeah Israel was created after Hitler slaughtered them, but the idea to create a Jew country was already put forward before WWII.
I didn't know that the world first suggested for all Jews to settle in Ethiopia (thanks for the info). But even if Jews had accepted this move, we Ethiopians here won't allow it.
Question - why the world though of creating a Jew country in Ethiopia back then?
|Re: Why History Says Jerusalem Belongs To The Jews by yusluvlove(m): 2:34pm On Dec 31, 2017|
Jerusalem is the future capital of Palestine. Alhamdulillah that UN opposed the move by US president to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. either u Kufur like it or no Allah wish shall prevail. POTUS is bias. he's a monster.
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