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Mr. Emusan

My brain is dull

..LMAO..

I don't have your time now

MrCork:
^^^slow poke. ..she normally take her about 2 week to catch up & clearly she dont gerrrrit.

...anyways,bak to our serrious topic.. All men hate babies & clearly we cannot stand those hungry rabbbits coz all they do is disturb u..eat...spoil yor shows..cry like hyena..all loookalike and then worst of all..dare sharerin booobsi wit a man.

.truss me. .all men hate that $*** (noo ofense)

OluwaSeun Osewa

godofwar666:
Yes u just mention my name

LOL

lonelydora:
Did u read the post?

I read it.

But i could'nt find Banking and Finance in the post that was why i ask if i can apply

ayinba1:
Excellent post.
I ask these questions of myself.
Have I earned the right to be called a muslim?
How many attributes of Prophet Mohammed (SAW) have I emulated?
How much do I know about him (SAW) whom Allah describes as the "perfect example"?
Am I focusing on the right things or the trivial stuff?
How do I copy this perfect example if I do not learn about him?

My heart is not light because I feel like I wasted too much time. If I emulate Prophet Mohammed (SAW), I will be doing better dawah than verbally preaching to anyone.
I will have better inner peace. I will be successful in this world and the next.

I have a lot of work to do. May Allah make it easy for me, (Amin) and all the muslims.

Amin yaAllah

zenith4biz:
How do you get this upper credit.

i read my books

Hello guys, please where can i download this game

Tattooboy:
see question! Gosh!

What about it?

jamanuka:
Cheers

Hello, please how do i uplond my CV?

Please provide the direct link, i could'nt find it from those ones you provided

^^^

[size=15pt] I'm a ND holder in Banking and Finance with an upper credit, can i apply? [/size]

Emusan:
Firstly, Jesus is an Angel in a sense that He was sent INTO the world because Angel simply means [b]Messenger BUT He is not an Angel created to live in heaven. [/b]

Moses is an angel too abi … all the prophets in the OT are angel as well abi, they are not angels created to live in heaven, but if a jW tell you jesus is archangel, you will be the first person there showing muscle abi keep deceiving yourself.

Even the ghost writer of hebrew will call you a lier for calling jesus an angel.
Hebrews 1:4 NIV: So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.

With the above verse the writer tells us that Jesus was'nt an angel, that he is superior to an angel...

And we read in genesis 19 that "Two angels came to Sodom"......

The angels were SENT by YHWH. truly they are messengers,messengers of Yahweh with a message from Yahweh but they are not human being. In the OT, it is very common for us to find an angel, or angels,sent by YHWH who are respected as if they were YHWH Himelf. This is because it is known that they were messengers sent by YHWH and to honor these angels is to honor the One who sent them: YHWH.

Jesus teaches about this principle. To honor the one sent is to honor the one who sent him. Angels appear in the name of YHWH to do YHWH's will. They are MESSENGERS of Yahweh.And so people are expected respond to these angels as if they are responding to YHWH Himself.

The story started from Genesis 18 when the Lord appeared and Abraham saw three men and Abraham still addressed these three men as LORD (Y@hovah) and WORSHIPPED them. ^In vr 2 ”When he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them, and bowed himself to the earth, ^In vr 9 we read a plural pronouns ”They said to him...” this comprises the three men ^In vr 10 the writer changed back to ”The Lord said, I...” This was used up to vr 15 which means the Unity of the men. ^In vr 16 the writer changed back to men ^In vr 17 The Lord was used again for this men up to vr 21 where this statement appears in vr 21 ”I will go down to see...” which means THE LORD is going down there. ^In vr 22 Two was single out going towards Sodom while the only one remained with Abraham was called the Lord this was used till the last vr33 What is so astonished about this story is what we found in Lot’s story.
Before I proceed I want the readers to know that your initially claimed was that The Angels are just Yahweh representative.
At the beginning of Lot’s story we read in vr1 ”The two angels came to Sodom...” this two Angels were identified with the three men who visited Abraham then if the men which the writer identified as ANGEL were just an heavenly created being then they shouldn’t have accepted WORSHIP from Lot because Lot WORSHIPPED them the way Abraham WORSHIPPED the three men.
^In vr 1 ”...When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them, and bowed himself with his face to the earth,” this is exactly what Abraham did.
^In vr 12 the writer used ‘the men’ again
^In vr 13 they said The Lord (Y@hovah) has sent them which mean they are the very one who will carry out the operation.
^In vr 14 Lot believed that they are The Lord (Y@hovah)
^In vr 16 “But he (Lot) lingered; so the men seized him and his wife and his two daughters by the hand, the LORD (Y@hovah) being merciful to him,...” we can see how THE MEN later called THE LORD and performed a prerogative who only belong to God by being MERCIFUL to Lot.
^In vr 18-20 we see Lot made a request/prayer for salvation. The astonish part of it is that....
^In vr 21-22 we see that the Angel GRANTED Lot’s request/prayer which no created angel can do.
^In vr 21-22 we can see again the PERSONAL PRONOUN being used to show that THEY are the one who actually want to carry out the operations i.e “...that I will not overthrow the city...”, “...for I can do nothing till you arrive there...”
So that’s why vr 23 & 24 can say ”The sun had risen on the earth when Lot came to Zoar.
24 Then the LORD (Y@hovah) rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD (Y@hovah) out of heaven;
By using your OWN word “It is quite clear, if you actually read the account in reasonable honesty,” it means you didn’t read it in a clear reasonable honesty.
Lastly, you contrast this account with Gabriel of Quran BUT an honest person can see that Allah never APPEARED in form of man so Quran Gabriel can’t be compared with this account.
You didn’t make yourself clear RATHER you distort the scripture and show your dishonesty.
All Bible quotations are from RSV.

When Abraham met the three men, he addressed them as adoni , "my Lord" (18:3). While there are three men, the Hebrew singular word adoni is used by Abraham and he is addressing plural "men" in the singular as if they were one person. This is because Abraham recognizes they are messengers of One, Yahweh, and their message is from One,Yahweh Himself. We have just read that the LORD appeared to Abraham, that is, Yahweh appeared to Abraham. So when Abraham speaks to these three messengers, He understands they are sent from one person, Yahweh, and so he speaks to them as if he is speaking to one person, Yahweh, and he does so because Yahweh sent them.

Verse 18:3 is not the only place this occurs. Again at verse 19:18, we read, "And Lot said to them , my Lord, please no!" Again, the word is the singular word adoni and both these two angels are together addressed with singular adoni as if they were one Lord. At this point, it becomes absolutely clear what has been going on since Abraham first met the three.Because Lot addresses two of these ofv"men" as singular adoni ,vand we know these two are angels, it is quite clear why Abraham addresses the three as adoni when he first met them.He addresses these messengers, whether one, two, or three, as "my Lord" because they were sent from his Lord Yahweh and he is speaking back to his Lord Yahweh who sent them.

In the language of the Bible, we might read that King X destroyed the city. It would not, however, necessarily mean King X was even present at the scene. If King X stayed at home and the servants of King X went and destroyed the city, the language of the Bible would be that King X destroyed the city because the subjects of King X and his servants, represent King X and the Kingdom of King X. And it is no different concerning Yahweh and the angels who are representatives of God. In each case, their identity is wrapped up in their King.

Take King Herod as an example.

Now my question is "if we are to believe or take your assertion, Which one of tthe angels in the story was Jesus"

Emusan:
[s] In fact, I’m tired of you because you reason like a child. [/s]
For the last time, The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit make up The Unity of God which is one and only Lord.

MARK 12:29-34 — And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; [size=15pt] The Lord our God is one Lord: [/size] And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart,and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but [size=15pt] HE [/size] : And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices . [size=15pt] And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God [/size] . And no man after that durst ask him any question.

and you think your statement above can be deduce from this verse
One thing that is obvious in the verse is that, Jesus was neither teachng about divinity nor the listeners taking him as divine going by the word "and therr is no other god bur HE" contrary to what you are trying to force down our throat here …
Now, the pharisees present in this lecture understood jesus to be talking about one God (which doesnt consist of the son and holyspirit brouhaha), now if truly jesus was teaching trinity here he ought to make it plain to them just as you are tryin so hard to make it here, instead he acknowledge and told him dat he is not far from the kingdom of God. Now you are telling us here that they are confused set of people including me, i wonder why jesus didnt say that to them instead he said they are notfar from the kindgom of God. Seems u know more than him

He quoted from their own scripture which talks about God’s Unity. I don’t know more than Him and I didn’t go against what was written but saying exactly what was written.

deut6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one .

I dont think the ONE here comprises of anyother thing except that you want tto force your trinity to it. Care to let uus know why moses didnt teach about trinity to his people if it truly exists..

looking 4ward to it.

Your problem is because you don’t want to tell yourself the truth, so after Jesus has quoted Deu 6:4-5 which affirmed the Unity of God you still want Him to say no...? I’m also God :-/ :-/ How will you feel if someone stands in your front and says I am God? One thing you fail to understand is that Jesus didn’t come to earth to claim divinity RATHER to do The Father’s will, imaging Jesus never says He is God they accused Him of blasphemy what will now happen if Jesus says I am God?
He only reveals His true identity to few disciples at His transfiguration. Jesus didn’t need to correct Him because the man was right and if Jesus is to say to them(the Jews) that He is God THE JEWS WILL GET IT TWISTED (they can’t fully comprehend it-just like you) and think He is talking about the one they know through OT.

Bla blah blah!!!

oh! you mean jesus was hiding his identity that was why he didnt teach trinity to them. hmmmmm

another lie.

SMH.

Believe Jesus who teaches that God is one and that David speaking through the Spirit called The Christ his Lord in the same chapter BUT you term it contradiction.
He’s not on earth to prove divinity since He understood that the man still hold to OT teaching of God’s Unity.

Here is that the Jews believe and understand.

ISAIAH 44:8 – Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? [size=15pt] YE ARE even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any. [/size]

ISAIAH 46:9 – Remember the former things of old: for [size=15pt] I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me . [/size]

Jesus understood the same that was why he said they are notnot far from the kingdom of God. but here you are tryig to force your Trinity inti it. ...smh.

God’s Unity that comprises The Father, The Son and The Holyspirit no other One and Only Lord apart from this Unit.

Kindly point to us where the above was taught by prophets of the old including Jesus himself else you know better than them all..

dagentility:
hahahaha,and you think Buhari is gonna be better than Gej.

Yeah, i believe.

For corruption is the major problem we are facing in this country. And we all know Gej is a pro-corruption leader going by his word when he said "ordinary stealing you call corruption", going by his bunch of corruptible government..Ministers and S.As.

Or are you not in Nigeria

Don't you read news

I urge you to read about Buhari's attitude towards corruption.

dagentility:
hmmm, n u'r clamouring for this thread to be on front page,dont tell me you guys are this desperate to know who the next president will be,just cool down Feb.15 is at the corner.

Yes we are desperate, we are desperate to vote in the man that will free of from this bondage, we are desperate to vote out the cluesless pro-corruption otuoke man

Good for him

dagentility:
Hahaha,Op u'r funny oo, dont tell me you are using nairaland as a yardstick to measure the whole Nigerians opinion.

No, not at all.

But atleast to hear the opinion of Nairalanders.

Mods FP please

lol

juss passing

Mods should please move this to FP

NICE THREAD

in egift voice

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APC give us this ticket, so we can easily kick the Zoologist back to the zoo

okay

Philip071:
please when are dey going to call us?

Have you guys done the assessment?

Now some ask this question on one of your thread i'll lile to see you reply to it.

If Almighty God is All knowing: Jesus isn't, he said so himself-Matthew 24:36-" but of that day and hour knoweth no man,not the angels of heaven, but MY FATHER ONLY".

What did Jesus say in Mark 10:18//Matt 19:17-" Why calleth thou me good? There is none good but one, that is God...."[KJV]

Salam

Emusan

In conclusion both Deuteronomy and Mark are talking about God’s UNITY not God’s nature.
Mind you TRINITY simply means Tri(Three)-in-UNITY, that is ‘Three NATURE of God in ONE UNIT’.

hhhmmmm...indeeed lol
How many Gods do we have if one sit at the right hand side of the other, is'nt that 2seperate Gods

My point is, your explanation for Mark 12:29-34 contradicts that of Mark 12:35-37.

Jesus mentioned ONE AND ONLY LORD (that there is no other LORD greater than the LORD). and he was talking about what david wrote about him that the almighty Lord will make him sit beside him. Now if you sit beside someone does dat make you the person...

I hope you can reason with the Op now?

No, not at all, untill the OP can prove to me that xtians worship 2 differrnt gods (psalm110:1)

You might want to reject this by saying Mark 12:35-37 are corrupted parts of the Bible then don’t forget that this is just a citation from OT book Psalms 110:1 just as the very one you believe are also a citation of Deuteronomy 6:4-5

No, not at all, just clearup your mess

Shalom! All Bible quotations are from Revised Standard
Version unless otherwise noted.

.... okay

Emusan

Again: "While Jesus was teaching in the temple courts, he asked, 'How is it that the teachers of the law say that the Christ is the son of David? David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declared: [size=14pt]"The Lord said to my Lord: 'Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet. '"David himself calls him "Lord."[/size] How then can he be his son?'" Mark 12:35-37 NIV
The Lord Jesus, in this citation, refers to all three Persons of the Trinity. [b]The Lord Jesus indicates that David, speaking by the Holy Spirit, called the Messiah/Christ his Lord which implies that the Messiah is more exalted and greater than David. When we combine this statement of Christ with what he said earlier in Mark 12:29 regarding there being one Lord, then it becomes quite evident that Jesus claimed Deity.

Notice why this must be the case:
*There is one Lord, namely Yahweh God.
*The Christ is Lord.
*Therefore, the Christ is Yahweh God.

But at the same time David refers to two distinct entities as Lord, which means that God exists in more than one Person:
*There is one Lord, namely Yahweh God.
*David speaks of two distinct entities as Lord.
*This, therefore, shows that Yahweh God is a multi-personal Being.

Further support that David was calling the Messiah Lord in the sense of his being God can be gathered from the fact that, at the time of the Psalm's composition, there was no one greater than David. Read Psalms 89:19-20, 26-27, 1 Chro 29:20-25.

Back to Deuteronomy it means for David to talk about two separate Lord, he fully aware of the written of Deuteronomy YET he can see the Christ as his Lord.

Does the name of God (HaShem), translated as “the Lord” of Psalms 110:1, refer to “God the Father” or to “God the Son” or does it refer to all three members of the Trinity

From your ealier explanation of the alleged unity of the triunity God you tried to force into mark 12:29, it follows that “the Lord” (HaShem) could not refer to either “God the Father” or “God the Son” alone, but must refer to all three members of the “triunity” as a whole. This being the case, how is it possible for you to maintain that the phrase “to my Lord” (as commonly translated in Christian Bibles) refers to Jesus? If “my Lord” refers to the second member of the supposed “triunity,” Jesus,then who is the first “Lord” mentioned in the verse? If “the Lord” (HaShem) in the Shema is a “triunity” united in the divine name, that is, “the Lord is our Gods,” the first “Lord” in Psalms 110:1 must also refer to the united “triunity.” If this is so, then the phrase “to my Lord” automatically excludes Jesus, who allegedly is already included in the first part of the verse, “the Lord.” Furthermore, if the second “Lord,” supposedly Jesus, is sitting NEXT to the first “Lord,” the triune godhead or two-thirds of it, or any aggregate of it, he cannot be part of it. That which exists outside of God cannot be God..You digg

Emusan

While in the book of Mark, the reason why Jesus alluded to Deuteronomy is because of the trap they’re trying to set for Jesus Mark 12:13 “And they sent to him some of the Pharisees and some of the Herodians, to entrap him in his talk.

Oh! are you trying to say Jesus did'nt give the correct answers/explanation because they were trying to entrap him

If you read this chapter from verse 13 downward you’ll see how they ask Him different questions, so what Jesus did is to remind them about the commandment on God’s unity

Please refer to my question above.

With the foregoing in mind I’ll now turn to your question by holding unto this statement of yours ”Truly Jesus said the above in the bible” for you to say this it means you believe these are actually true word of historical Jesus, so I’m going to use the same book of Mark chapter 12 to answer your question.

I see no reason why you should be turning our attention to another top instead of addressing the topic at hand. You've not really address Mark 12:29-34....

Let me start first from verse 1-8 HYPERLINK "" "He then began to speak to them in parables: 'A man planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a pit for the winepress and built a watchtower. Then he rented the vineyard to some farmers and went away on a journey. At harvest time he sent a servant to the tenants to collect from them some of the fruit of the vineyard. But they seized him, beat him and sent him away empty-handed. Then he sent another servant to them; they struck this man on the head and treated him shamefully. He sent still another, and that one they killed. He sent many others; some of them they beat, others they killed. [size=14pt]He had one left to send, A SON, WHOM HE LOVED. He sent him last of all, saying, ‘They will respect MY SON.’ But the tenants said to one another, ‘This is THE HEIR.[/size] Come, let's kill him, and the inheritance will be ours.’ So they took him and killed him, and threw him out of the vineyard." Mark 12:1-8 NIV
The Hebrew Scriptures identify these servants as God's prophets who were sent to the nation of Israel: "From the day that your fathers came out of the land of Egypt to this day, I have persistently sent all my servants the prophets to them, day after day." Jeremiah 7:25

These verses are so rich for two reasons:
1) The SON here exists somewhere else before He was sent.
2) With this phrase ”... He sent him last of all,...” it means Jesus is the cumulative of all Prophets (Servants) and distinguished Himself (since He is God's beloved Son and Heir) from all the Prophets.

Remember Quran denied the Sonship of Jesus Christ.

Lastly, had it been that Muslims who always raise this question can a little bit be SINCERE to themselves they would’ve found answer to their problem few verses next to the one they take out of context.

bros why didnt you add verse 9 to make the picture complete.

9 “What then will the owner of the vineyard do? He will come and kill those tenants and give the vineyard to others.

Had it been he did'nt give out the vineyard to others again, then we'll affirm that the story has ended, but in verse 9 he gave another set of people the vinyard to manage, and according to how the vinyard is been managed earlier servants are sent to collect their harvest now:

Who are the others that the vineyard is been given to

Who is the servant sent to them to collect the harvest from them

Emusan

The evident of Moses speaking ONLY about the UNITY of God rather than the NATURE of Yahweh can be seen from the Book of Genesis which Moses himself wrote: ”Then the LORD rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;” Gen 19:24
One LORD who was present at Sodom and Gomorrah rained FIRE from ANOTHER LORD who was in heaven.
For Moses to identify two separate Lord here it means Moses fully aware of Multi-personal being of YAHWEH before he wrote the book of Deuteronomy.

*continued*

When we actually examine the account carefully, it becomes
crystal clear what is happening in these two chapters. In the following account, notice how Yahweh is identified.

Genesis 19:12-14 Now the two angels came to Sodom in the evening as Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom.... they turned aside to him and entered his house; and he prepared a feast for them.... Then the two men said to Lot, "Whom else have you here?".... for we are about to destroy this place , because their outcry has become so great before Yahweh that [size=15pt] Yahweh has sent us to destroy it [/size] ." Lot went out and spoke to his sons-in-law, who were to marry his daughters, and said, "Up, get out of this place, for Yahweh will destroy the city.".... Then Yahweh rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from Yahweh out of heaven

First, carefully observe who destroys Sodom: Yahweh destroys Sodom. (19:24). Now, carefully observe who says they will destroy Sodom: the two angels (19:13). Also carefully observe how Lot understands the angels when they tell him they will destroy Sodom. When the angels say they will destroy Sodom, Lot understands this to mean Yahweh will destroy Sodom (v. 14). It is quite clear, if you actually read the account in reasonable honesty, that these two angels destroying Sodom are Yahweh who rained down brimstone and fire.

In other words, we are to understand these angels are theophanies of God that is, not that GOD the father himself, same way i ttried to explain the role Angel Jubreel played in the revelation of the Quran, which fall to your deaf hear. It is not at all uncommon to find angels depicted as "GOD" in the OT. Carefully read the following account.

Genesis 16:7-13 [b] Now an angel of Yahweh *not yahweh himself* found her by a spring of water in the wilderness, by the spring on the way to Shur. He said, "Hagar, Sarai's maid, where have you come from and where are you going?" And she said, "I am fleeing from the presence of my mistress Sarai." Then the angel of Yahweh said to her, "Return to your mistress, and submit yourself to her authority." Moreover, the angel of Yahweh said to? her, "I will greatly multiply your descendants so that they will be too many to count." The angel of Yahweh said to her further, "Behold, you are with child, And you will bear a son; And you shall call his name Ishmael, Because Yahweh has given heed to your affliction. "He will be a wild donkey of a man, His hand will be against everyone, And everyone's hand will be against him; And he will live to the east of all his brothers." Then she called the name of Yahweh who spoke to her , "You are a God who sees"; for she said, "Have I even remained alive here after seeing Him?" [/b]

In the verse above it was the angel of yahweh that appear to hagar, and he conveyed her exactly as if he is yahweh, same way aangel jibril conveyed the message to muhammad, well thats not a discussiom for today.

I think i have made myself clear on how angels act on behalf of God in sodom.

* The discussion continues*

Emusan

Here let me digress a little for Bible Study!
The whole Chapter 6 of Deuteronomy was given to Israelite as commandments they must follow when they enter the PROMISE LAND ”... that you may do them in the land to which you are going over, to possess it; verse1

Another lie here!
They are not only to follow it after entering the promise Land, it is an eternal commandment that they are to follow forever and ever in other for them to have eternal life.

Deut. 6:1-7 These are the commands, decrees and laws the LORD your God directed me to teach you to observe in the land that you are crossing the Jordan to possess, so that you, your children and THEIR children after them may fear the LORD your God as long as you live by keeping all his decrees and commands that I give you, and so that you may enjoy long life .Hear, Israel, and be careful to obey so that it may go well with you and that you may increase greatly in a land flowing with milk and honey, just as the LORD, the God of your ancestors,promised you. Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all m your soul and with all your strength. These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts. Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up.

For the sake of space and to avoid long text SEEKER OF TRUTH can read the whole Deu 6.

I think you are the one that need to read and reread it over again.

The reason why these commandments came is for them to FEAR GOD and not to lost after any Pagan gods/ TO SERVE ANOTHER god BESIDE YAHWEY in the LAND they are going, this reason is very clear when we read verse 13-14 ”13 You shall fear the LORD your God; you shall serve him, and swear by his name. 14 You shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the peoples who are round about you;

Please reread the verse again, i guess you missed the part where it says thry are to teach there generation in other for them to have long life.

The evident of Moses speaking ONLY about the UNITY of God rather than the NATURE of Yahweh can be seen from the Book of Genesis which Moses himself wrote: ”Then the LORD rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;” Gen 19:24
One LORD who was present at Sodom and Gomorrah rained FIRE from ANOTHER LORD who was in heaven.
For Moses to identify two separate Lord here it means Moses fully aware of Multi-personal being of YAHWEH before he wrote the book of Deuteronomy.

And this is the greatest lie have ever read in nairaland by trying to divert our attention away from Mark 12:29-34 where it is clear/glaring that jesus is neither God almigty Nd doesnt share in His divinity you brimg in another trinitarian deceptive verse to buttress your bogus argunent. Let us quckly examine Gen. 19:24.

When we read the account in Genesis 19 carefully, we find that it is the angels who will destroy Sodom. or else you want to tell me that jesus is an angel .

Genesis 19:12-13 Now the two angels came to Sodom in the evening as Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom....they turned aside to him and entered his house; and he prepared a feast for them.... Then the two men said to Lot, "Whom else have you here?".... for we [are about to destroy this place , because their outcry has become so great before Yahweh that Yahweh has sent us to destroy it ."

Observe how Yahweh says He will go down to Sodom and see if what is taking place is true. And then carefully note what the context says, "the men turned away from there and went toward Sodom:

Genesis 18:20-22 And Yahweh said, “The outcry of Sodom and Gomorrah is indeed great, and their sin is exceedingly grave. 21 I will go down now and see if they have done entirely according to its outcry, which has come to Me and if not, I will know.” Then the men turned away from there and went toward Sodom.

When the two angels go down to Sodom, it is clear this is how Yahweh is going down to Sodom to see if they have done according to its outcry. It is a matter of simple reading comprehension.

Now examining the context:

*to be continue*

Emusan

As you rightly said Jesus wasn’t talked about Himself here BUT about the UNITY of God Jesus quotes directly from the book of Deu 6:4-5.

If he was'nt talking about himself here as ONE AND ONLY LORD , then who was he talking about if truly he is the one and only Lord.

If he was talking about the Unity of God why did'nt he mention himself to make the explanation clearer to the pharisees.

Do you know more than Jesus that you want explain in a way that is against what was written in that passage


Now let us re-read the verse again. Jesus giving lecture about the two greatest commandment of God, he quote deut 6:4 to buttress is point in the lecture, do we then assume that Jesus does'nt take lecture serious just because those whom he was lecturing are trying to entrap him?. Let us read.

MARK 12:29-34 — And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart,and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but [size=15pt] HE [/size] : And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices . [size=15pt] And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God [/size] . And no man after that durst ask him any question.

NOW THEIR ARE MANY POINTS TO NOTE IN THE VERSE ABOVE:

* Jesus was giving lecture to well educated pple of the scripture

* He quoted from their scripture the greatest of all commadments i.e to believe that God is on and only.

* They affirm that these 2 commandments nullify burnt offerings and sacrifices.

* They affirm that Jesus been Master (in scripture understanding) as said the truth about the scripture, that there is ONE GOD and there is no other god but HE (notice the HE in red letter) [any honest person that read this verse will affirm that the HE doesnot include jesus. Therefore Jesus doesnt share in the divinity of God almighty]. Now did Jesus correct this man about it i.e to uphold trinity( that he shared in the diviinity?)

* No, jesus did't correct him, rather he saw that he had answered discreetly and told him that he is not far from the Kingdom of God....

My question now is, who are we going to believe between jesus and you

For he didnt endorse is divity here while you said he is God.

Again who is the ONE and ONLY LORD?
know that if Jesus is not the ONE AND ONLY LORD then comparing Jesus to ONE AND ONLY LORD is bogus.

Let us continue our discussion....

All these your long epistles and throwing of scriptures anyhow does/have not address/answer my question at all, you just keep throwing yourseld into troubles/contradictions shooting yourself in the leg.

I will address your quote one after the other for my chatbox cannot contain them at once been the fact that am using my phone.

Emusan:
Had it been you pay close attention to my posts you would’ve seen that I didn’t abuse any one you held in high esteem BUT you and your brother sometimes misunderstand my point AND WHEN I notice this I apologised even though I didn’t stress myself to clear the misunderstanding.

Hmmm... I don't need to go back to this or take it as an excuse, But you know in your mind that you are telling a lie here …

Emusan:
But now that you’ve made yourself clear this is my respond to your question.

Ok. what took you so long before

Emusan:
In fact the first underline statement is a false accusation against Christianity because nowhere Christian ever say ’God is the Christ’

Hmmm...another dimension

Emusan:
it means Jesus also comprises of both the Father and Holyspirit

Is'nt this ^^what xtianity claim

Emusan:
what Christianity claim is that ’Jesus is the Son of God and God’-which means He possesses All the attribute of God through His Father.

in the Book of Psalms "I will declare the decree: the LORD HATH SAID UNTO ME, THOU ART MY S ON; THIS DAY HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE" Psalms 2:7

Which meams David is a god as well, abi

Emusan:
You might be confused about the word ‘GOD’ I’m using here but the God here can be in form of a Title like King (Recently even the Pagans have started using capital G for any deity they believe in).

Okay! with the bolded are you affirming that Jesus is not God almighty himself

Emusan:
"O children of Israel! Worship God [alone], who is my Sustainer as well as your Sustainer." & The Lord OUR God is ONE LORD
Next time your statement should read like, Truly Jesus said a SIMILAR THING like the above in the bible because these two statements aren’t the same.

Ok sir, now lets go to the major discussion.