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I salute your fatuity Chill a bit, a you an infinix promoter?

Ever since the moratorium, y'all will notice majority of those supporting this always reiterate on how much people need to provide help, cuz they know if peeps don't PH, shiz gon sink. That alone tell s alot about the whole ish and it crashing. Yo Mavrodians, ask them if they were a true investment scheme, ask why this wasn't in their feasibility earlier, why implement it now?.

And what tha fuq is BBC Africa, lying on source again?

By the number of those who can say they were blessed through you.

GrizzlyBear:
I don't need to derive anything. It's just a truth I have to accept.

Maybe I'm, maybe I'm not. It's the curse of consciousness. Evolving consciousness was the worst thing that ever happened to the human race. It prevents us from completely partaking in the biological puppetry, because although we are just puppets among other biological puppets, to be used, charred and disposed, we are able to see the strings pulling us. Only the boldest of us can bite off these strings and free themselves.

Seriously man, i always say the first homo that asked why are we here ruined our fun. That question should never had popped.

cloudgoddess:
What would an objective meaning for the totality of conscious human experience even look like? Does the idea of one even make sense?

Religion's answer is a chance at eternal paradise, but that imo isn't any more meaningful than what we already have going on. It's just a promise of more of the "good stuff" we're already capable of experiencing on earth. Merely a grasping towards more moments of joy/pleasure/love/security than the ones we're afforded as beings with limited life spans.

Ultimate objective meaning is only a concept that exists in human minds. I'd even go as far as to say that the phrase itself is an oxymoron. Meaning necessitates subjectivity; value can only ever be attributed by a consciousness evaluating it.


Sure, I don't see anything wrong with this.


Certainly they could justify them. That doesn't mean they'd be justifiable from the perspective of society they are a part of. As a social species, it is our nature to tend to both our individual wants and needs and those of the society we belong to. The individual and the society will never be perfectly in sync.

That isn't a cause for disaster. We can still work with it, which we have increasingly been doing as humanity has progressed. It's only religious/ideological notions that tell us there should be some perfect moral code that is totally objective regardless of time period or culture. In reality that just isn't the case, and can't be. As social creatures with complex desires and impulses that aren't always compatible, compromise is a must.


It certainly does. Our expectations paint everything we see. Even your sentiments of futility, and evaluation of lack of ultimate objective meaning as necessarily problematic, are based off of pre-existing notions about how things should "ideally" be.


I still don't agree that the nature of reality is grim. That's assuming that a life free of suffering is how things should be.

From what criteria are you judging his life as vain? Because he doesn't get to live forever afterwards? What would a non-vain reason for existing look like to you?


Not necessarily. Having executive function allows us to go a step further. Self-sacrifice, delayed gratification, all that good stuff. Also, pleasure and joy/peace aren't quite the same thing. A person can have peace without seeking pleasure. Look into Buddhist philosophy if you haven't already.


Again, what would this "cosmic value" be if it existed? How would it be expressed, what would it look like?


How are those things unrealistic?

They just have to be approached with a more humble and realistic perspective than the one religion provides. Which is that happiness (as in pleasurable feelings) can't be the constant state of things due to how our brains work (staying alert for threat, making comparisons, focusing on the negative during times of stress), but peace can arise naturally once you let go of the idea that life needs to be a certain "ideal" way, and do the best you can with what is here now.


So because pain and suffering exist, life is not worth prolonging or living? I can't see that connection. Why does the mere presence of pain have to be the defining factor of whether or not living is worth it?

I still can't see what is so horrifying about reality. Maybe I'm missing something but it seems your view is biased towards the negative for no perceivable reason. Sometimes people confuse being realistic with being unnecessarily pessimistic.


Who says that where we arrive has to be the point?

The idea of arrival at some point of perfection, complete absence of pain or what have you, is again, made up in my opinion. It's based on an incorrect view of how nature works (intentionally for or against us, rather than being a neutral re-organization of matter and energy that actually includes us). Painting life as "futile" and "horrifying" because it doesn't meet an ideal that was never real in the first place doesn't make any sense to me.

hmm, thanks for this "Sometimes people confuse being realistic with being unnecessarily pessimistic" Might just be my eureka.

But i guess if you're too realistic people can easily perceive you as being pessimist. Its had to be a realist and not be perceived as one, i get where grizzly is coming from.
I mean look, inspite of all the joy, tranquility, achievements and all the good stuff one gets to enjoy here, the end of it all is death no matter how much you wish it away. Now does this make one pessimist or realist?
Plus its hard to accept for most people that we are just neutral reorganization of matter, as our subjective minds will always try to decipher events as for or against us.

Hey grizzly, i woulda sworn you were in my head when you wrote this,to be frank the similarity of this post and whats in my head is similar to the DNA of humans and chimps. After i realised this truth, i realised why many went back to religion and you really cant blame, cuz i remember how hard and long it took me to accept that i'm just part of nature and not superior. For reals mehn this made me realise that no matter the gravity of attrition on religion, it would only wax stronger cuz accepting that there's no objective purpose for us can be extremely depressing, and just like you pointed out, this is where religion comes in. And to be truthful purpose keeps us going and peeps will fight you till the end to not take that away.
After this realisation, i found succour in the purposelessness by realising that all that we have done in this world after our consciousness evolved was to attach purpose to everything. We are freaking meaning attaching creatures, thats what i call us.

And cloudgoddess that first reply of yours can make a nigga propose, especially that analogy of the 10yr old boy and the promise, i mean i remember vividly wishing i had never been told about god, cuz that disappointment is just too overwhelming, really religions messed up when they sold the story that god is ominipotent, that keeps shooting god in the foot with the number of unmet expectations. I think people woulda chilled a bit if we got told earlier that god couldnt really do it all, or doesnt do at all, that way they would never have been expectations.

PMILF.

Loooooooool

I was expecting to see school fees padding

delishpot:
Humans would never unite even without religion. It was the need to dominate and control that makes people use religion to cover their asses in the first place. If there was no religion, humans would still look for a way to dominate, conquer and destroy others for their own selfish gain. If you say no to religion, then they would use skin color, if you say no to racism, they would use disability or IQ and so on.
Religion is just a means to an end for many people. Not as if they care too much about the religion they are using as a shield or means to get their heart desires.

Madam, you understand humans to an extent.

Ranchhoddas:
Great points. How would we know where to draw the line? What the OP and others do not realise is that a lot of people derive their morality from faith. A large number of people are good because of their hope in one afterlife or the other. Hardened criminals have ''discovered'' Christ or any other deity and become good. What the OP is advocating is going to lead to anarchy and chaos. No matter the amount of disdain you possess for religion, an unbiased analysis will lead you to the conclusion that its merits far outweigh the demerits.

This bro, is what most atheists don't see, this is why I am never plainly against religion, its a double edge sword. They think because they can be moral without religion without the promise of heaven, and because they're cool with that they think others would be able to operate like that not knowing that's what keep some peeps sane, just like what farmer4life said. I keep saying if we successfully quench religion despite all its shortcomings I won't be surprised if those that think the world would be a better place without it would be the ones wishing they never liberated theists from the gods they revere, I mean to a lot of theists a belief in God is what makes life meaningful for them and I can't blame them take that away in folds and you'll be surprised that suicide rate might increase. Now tell me how much of a saviour have you been to those you think need help.
Yes it false reality to atheists but they take it far serious and it is real to them, yeah its painful to watch people suffer because of their beliefs, but you'll be surprised to see that theists even attach sense to the sufferings. And only few would entertain the idea that gods aren't real, they can't even stomach it, peeps like this I leave alone and encourage them to continue. The only peeps I think should be "liberated" are those who are suffering because of their belief in God not those who these God idea is everything to them, in short its the reason they're happy, its what they live for, people like this will break down, that's why i stand on it being an individual liberation.
Plus some peeps are fully aware of the decision the frequent attacks on religion has made some even more defiant that they are on the right part.

Loool, this guy will obviously give his last breath for the poop.

Mehn, I don't care, this is a milf. Even if my wifey dares not.

She can never sink with those boobs.

The god of wisdom is just to dumb, he couldn't see the mortal tricked him to agree.

I love this world.

She's na all ladies dey twerk?

Berlyn:
[size=15pt] i don't get this . [/size]

Melania's gift in plagiarism.

Buhari be like: they fell for it, they thought we could create 1million jobs in a year.

Osinbajo: LMFAO

Nature's error

Pushas:
Wrong. By nature if we are to follow the Biblical version of creation, Eve ws created to support, help and provide companionship to Adam. Women are created to please and submit to Men.

Well that frame is what's pissing off a lot of women. Even the line holds men responsible for a lot.

Begonia:
But men didn't come up with feminism and most don't agree with it because they believe it challenges their "natural privileges" so why do they always feel the need to explain to the "fake feminists" what "true feminism" is all about? Some people really need to mind their business and leave others to their own. I mind business, although not all the time. There are times we really should mind other people's business especially when it comes to crime and any form of injustice in the world...

Okay, I'm blabbing now..Lol!

I'm really not a fan of public engagements. I just feel it's unnecessary. I cherish my "moments" a lot.

Okay, bye!

EDIT: Wow! Some people are actually getting worked up over this thread

Yeah right, tell me you haven't at some point define what a man is or you do not have personal opinions on what a man is or should be?.

ify2016:
Go settle with your hubby.
World without your hubby is zero achievement Go and make peace no matter the level of extravagant he might have cost you

This joke is too straight forward. Spook on.

falconey
More of a philosopher

Beyoncé of "Africa" means won't go beyond Africa.

What does prayer do exactly ? I get it can be very therapeutic and all but what exactly does it do in achieving whatever want you want. The way it is believed to work makes one think magic can make anything happen but then we often get told prayer isn't magic.

Bust your head, Serena could be masking the feeling in the claps .

Moral lesson: deduce that your friggin self.

And next you'll see her in a bikini without a care.