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semyman:
Be sane for once, what is the attacks all about, you lost in 2015 and you will loose again in 2019? Common

I supported buhari in 2015, he disappointed me and now he must leave

Zither:
Please tell me why

x = y

but

y ≠ x, according to you

just a simple logic before we progress from there.

x is equal to y, and x is not equal to y are different equations. You will never see what you just posted in a good textbook unless it's an error

#copied from mynews24 bible study for atheists

Since the beginning of time (as it would seem) humankind has been plagued by the devil. Adam and Eve were still frolicking in The Garden of Eden when this evil fiend showed up to spoil everything for billions of human beings.

Humanity is fascinated with the devil...and Christians even more so! Songs are sung about him, books are written about him, sermons are preached on his origins and evil tricks, and even Jesus himself talks about him and duels with him in the desert. I am convinced more movies have been made about the devil than “the other guy”!

The devil is feared and...dare I say...respected? Christians prefer not to even talk about him, as talking about him apparently makes him stronger. He must already be extremely powerful, as even the Son of God has to pass a test devised by the devil to prove he (Jesus) is indeed who he claims to be (Matt 4:1 – 11).

WHAT CHRISTIANS BELIEVE ABOUT THE DEVIL

Please note that whatever you read now is what is generally taught in Christian churches and is believed by the majority of Christians, with minor variations. There are some “more enlightened” Christian groups that do not believe this.

According to Christians, the devil started out as Lucifer, an archangel created by God. He was perfect in wisdom and beauty, and according to the way Christians read and interpret the bible, he was adorned with all sorts of precious stones. It is even believed he had a beautiful voice with musical instruments built into his body (Ezekiel 28:12-15). He was one of three archangels mentioned in the bible by name (Michael, Gabriel, Lucifer).

Lucifer then got filled with vanity and pride, and started to have his eye on the throne of God (Ezekiel 28:17, Isaiah 14:13, 14). He deceived a third of all the angels to assist him in kicking God off the throne. This led to a massive war in heaven, with Michael (the war angel) and his angels gallantly defending the throne of God (Revelation 12:7-9). Lucifer was defeated, kicked out of heaven and fell to earth (Isaiah 14:12, Luke 10:18), along with the angels he deceived. Lucifer then became Satan, and the angels that fell with him became demons (Revelation 12:7-9).

Being absolutely devastated by this incident, God decided to create humans (Gen 1:26), apparently to replace his worship angels. The sole duty of man would then be to serve God and worship him (Eccl 12:13). Upon hearing this, Lucifer (now Satan) got really ticked off and decided to “get back at God” and seduce mankind. While posing as a serpent, the devil deceived the newly created humans Adam and Eve to disobey God (Gen 3:1-7).

So, upon learning of this deception, God kicked Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden and promised to crush Satan’s head (Gen 3:8-24). Oh, and God cursed the serpent as well (Gen 3:14). Poor Adam was now supposed to work all his life to put bread on the table, and no more magic children for Eve...she would have to do it the hard way.

And thus starts a 6,000 year old war between humans and the devil, with God on the side of the humans (of course).

According to Christian beliefs, God gave the earth to man in Genesis 1:28. Through the sin and disobedience of Adam and Eve, they in turn gave the earth to the devil. The devil is now in charge of the earth and has full run of the place, doing as he pleases. God has no dominion over the earth, as he gave it to humans who then gave it to the devil. Even Jesus SEEMS to acknowledge this fact in Matt 4:8-10 - Again, the devil took Him up on a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and the glory of them. And he said to Him, These things, all taken together, I will give You, if You will prostrate Yourself before me and do homage and worship me. Then Jesus said to him, Begone, Satan! For it has been written, You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him alone shall you serve. Jesus never tells Satan he is a liar, he just quotes a bible verse about worship.

Some Christians think the devil to be a very handsome, charming fellow...a master of deception. Others think of him as half man half goat, with big horns, a pointy tail and a pitch fork. All round, though, he is regarded as a nasty piece of work, bent on destroying all humans.

So, time to expose a few lies here.

LIE NO 1: THE DEVIL WAS ONCE AN ANGEL CALLED LUCIFER

The bible only mentions THREE angels by name:

Michael: The protector of Israel. He leads the war in heaven against Satan (Revelation 12:7-9), acted as a messenger to Daniel (Daniel 10:13), and argued with the devil over the body of Moses (Jude 1:9).

Gabriel: The official messenger of God. Mainly responsible for delivering personalized messages from God to various people (Dan 8:15-26, Dan 9:21, Luke 1:19, Luke 1:26)

Abaddon: The angel of the bottomless pit, and the king of the hordes that will torment mankind for 5 months (Rev 9:3-11).

Not once is Lucifer ever mentioned by name as an angel. In fact, the word Lucifer is mentioned only ONCE in the ENTIRE bible:

Isaiah 14:12 - How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!

The Hebrew word translated Lucifer is helel (or heylel), from the root, hâlâl, meaning "to shine" or "to bear light".

So, who is this “bright, shining one”? Well, in verse 4 it clearly states: “You shall take up this against the king of Babylon...”

No devil here. This verse simply refers to the super arrogant king Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon being knocked off his throne.

LIE NO 2: THE DEVIL WAS A (NAMELESS) COVERING ANGEL THAT WENT NUTS

Ezekiel 28: 12-17 - Son of man, take up a lamentation for the king of Tyre, and say to him, 'Thus says the Lord God: You were the seal of perfection, Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The sardius, topaz, and diamond, Beryl, onyx, and jasper, Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold. The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes was prepared for you on the day you were created. You were the anointed cherub who covers; I established you; you were on the holy mountain of God; you walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones. You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, till iniquity was found in you.

Who is this prophecy for? The king of Tyre, of course!

Eden? How could the king of Tyre be in Eden? Well, he wasn’t there physically. “Eden”, “the garden” and “the holy mountain” are all symbols of “paradise”...a place where man was in charge of everything...a place before “the fall of man”...a place of human perfection and dominance. This king was awesome and powerful, but the implication is that everything he accomplished was from God. The iniquity found in him was his pride. The king of Tyre was a man...not an angel.

No devil here either! Just another king being kicked off his throne due to his arrogance.

LIE NO 3: THE WAR IN HEAVEN

Revelation 12:7 - Then war broke out in heaven; Michael and his angels went forth to battle with the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought.

To expose this lie, I quickly have to (once again) include the opening verse of the book of revelation:

Revelation 1:1 - This is the revelation of Jesus Christ. God gave it to Him to disclose and make known to His bond servants certain things which must shortly and speedily come to pass in their entirety. And He sent and communicated it through His angel to His bond servant John,

Whatever is written in the book of Revelation must STILL HAPPEN. This is not a description of something that happened in the past. This is a prophecy of FUTURE events. This war must still take place!

No devil here either!

OK, so it would appear as though the whole Christian fantasy of this “fallen angel becoming the devil” is based (once again) on mistranslation of words and misinterpreting scripture. Christians perceive the devil as an evil monster going around with his army of demons, with one thing on his mind: to destroy humans. I will say this exact sentence again later...watch out for it.

WILL THE TRUE DEVIL PLEASE STAND UP?

Now here is an interesting titbit:

The devil is NEVER mentioned in the Old Testament...not once. You see, the Hebrew word “satan” is translated as “Satan” or “The Devil”, but the word “satan” does not mean “devil”. It means “adversary” or “opponent”.

And guess what?

The devil is NEVER mentioned in the New Testament EITHER! Not once! You see, in the New Testament the “adversary” gets a new name. Diabolos! The Greek word “dee-ab'-ol-os” means “to accuse or slander”. He is ALSO called “satanas”, with the exact same meaning as the “diabolos”...”accuser”. My Hebrew/Greek concordance says that I should also check the Hebrew word “satan” wherever I read the word “diabolos” or “satanas”. So, in essence, it is the SAME word...same description...same character. It would appear as though, purely based on his name, the devil is actually an “adversary” or an “accuser”, not a pitch fork wielding monster.

Try to read your bible with this in mind. Every time you see the word “satan” or “devil”, replace it with the word “adversary”. A whole new world will open up for you.

A quick rewind to LIE NO 2 - according to what Christians believe, the devil was a perfect creation until he corrupted himself and became evil. So, as the final nail in THAT coffin, I would like to offer the following verse:

John 8:44 (AMP) - You are of your father, the devil, and it is your will to practice the lusts and gratify the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a falsehood, he speaks what is natural to him, for he is a liar and the father of lies and of all that is false.

Let me quickly rip this verse apart to show exactly what Jesus meant when he spoke here.

“You are like your father the accuser...he was a murderer FROM THE BEGINNING and does not stand in the truth, because THERE IS NO TRUTH IN HIM”.

See, according to Christian belief, Lucifer was a PERFECT being...“the seal of perfection” (Ezek 28:14), who then corrupted himself through his vanity, but this is simply not true. He started out as a liar and a murderer. Nothing changed in him. And here, of course, is the clincher: “When he speaks a falsehood, he speaks what is natural to him”. It is his nature to lie. He was this way FROM THE BEGINNING!

So now I guess you are thoroughly confused. It is quite obvious that the devil never created the sin in him, nor was he a fallen angel. He was evil “from the beginning”. But then where does he come from?

God created him of course! IN THE BEGINNING!

And where do I get this?

Isaiah 45:7 (AMP) - I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and I create EVIL; I am the Lord, Who does all these things.

Here God admits that HE CREATES EVIL. Wow, what a shocker!

Well, what did you expect? Don’t Christians claim God created EVERYTHING? Well, everything INCLUDES evil! The devil did not CREATE evil or lies! If Christians believe their own theology, then the devil cannot create ANYTHING! Only their God can! It is clearly stated in John 8:44 that “he was a murderer and a liar FROM THE BEGINNING”. God created the devil to lie and to kill! The devil is an instrument in the hands of God!

Bet you thought the devil kills people, makes people ill and hurts people? No, no, sorry my friends. It is clearly written in the bible:

Deuteronomy 32:39 - (AMP) - See now that I, I am He, and there is no god beside Me; I kill and I make alive, I wound and I heal, and there is none who can deliver out of My hand.

You see, the devil is merely an extension of...let’s call it “the dark side”...of God. God decides who lives and who dies, who stays well and who falls ill; He creates and He destroys. He doesn’t always do the destruction himself. He created “satan” as a tool...a destroyer to do his dirty work for him.

And where do I get this?

Isaiah 54:16 (AMP) - Behold, I have created the smith who blows on the fire of coals and who produces a weapon for its purpose; and I have created the devastator to destroy.

Christians perceive the devil as an evil monster going around with his army of demons, with one thing on his mind: to destroy humans. The truth is - the devil is under direct command and instruction from the God that created him. He was created for a single purpose...to destroy. If you are ill, it is God who makes you ill (Deut 32:39). If you die, it was God who killed you (Deut 32:39). The devil is just the hammer that drives the nail into your coffin.

God swings the hammer.

Are you sure you are not on weeeed?

Nnamdiojukwu:
Can you mention your old man's accomplishments since he was born?
As for your personal achievements,I do not need to ask.

And what have you achieved in your own life?

Whenever someone brings valid criticism, you people will say what has he achieved, or his father or child. Just use your data and check what is going on haba

Jesusloveyou:
I thought you have your PVC already.

Is now you are begging people to get their PVC.

The jobless lazy idiotic pigs of Biafra are not ready and serious to sent buhari to daura

Zombie!!! Idiotic Pig Under Buharetard, how you dey na?
Don`t worry, come 2019 you will follow buhari back to daura to tend to his cows as his new houseboy

progress69:
It is illogical and extremely dumb to question how the first son of a sitting president of a country like Nigeria can afford a power bike.


Argue with ur techno phone

As always, no good argument, just insults you zombie

Butterflyleo:
JERUSALEM HAS BEEN OFFICIALLY RECOGNISED AS THE CAPITAL OF ISRAEL.

Halleluiah, Halleluiah glory glory glory in the highest.

Isaiah 2:3 has just been fulfilled right before our very eyes even as Zechariah 12:3 was also fulfilled and i quote

"Jerusalem will be a burdensome stone for all people” of the world - (Zechariah 12:3)

https://www.nairaland.com/4503758/usa-finally-moves-embassy-jerusalem

To borrow a quote from doctor strange in infinity wars

WE ARE IN THE END GAME NOW.

As i said before, you are rejoicing that USA moved embassy to jerusalem while your people are being killed. USA and jerusalem is not giving visa to arse lickers o.

If you really wanto jubilate, fly to jerusalem and celebrate. When the israeli snipers shoot you, it will do nobody vaam for eye

Since all the money in nigeria has passed through cultist hands, what about occultic Air? As these cultists breath in and out some of their spirit particles enters the air which is used by plants for photosynthesis. As these plants grow they become evil containers which are eaten by humans or animals which are still eaten by us. In order to counteract these evil spirit particles use olive oil to bless the food or you can have a prayer meeting with your family before you cook the food. All of this will remove the spirit particles from your food which the spiritually aware will see as black steam. After this you can eat, praise the lord.

Jesusloveyou:
what I can't understand.

Did ineffectual buffoon shared the corruption money with the jobless lazy idiotic pigs of Biafra?

Idiotic Pig of Buhari you no dey disappoint, you are robot who was only programmed to come on nairaland and shout IPOB. Nonsense Zombie.

KingGBsky:
te truth be told Sowore will not get upto 20,000 votes.
I can bet on that.

Can't we at least try, I am tired of waiting until so and so year when we will have good governance.

Jesusloveyou:
Good

IPOB how you dey na?

Jesusloveyou:
due to the hatred the jobless lazy idiotic pigs of Biafra have for buhari, atiku will win in idiotic pigs of Biafra States.

But don't tell me atiku will win Edo state.

What is it with you and igbos all you know how to do is shout IPOB up and down and never mention a genuine achievement of buharetard. Smh.

As a fellow youth I can say that you and all BMC on nairaland have forgotten how most of PDP ran to APC and received sainthood. I cannot vote for anybody in those two parties never.

Sowore for president.

As I read more and more epistles of people saying they want igbo presidency, I get afraid for our future. Nigerians please vote based on merit and competence, not tribe,zone or religion abeg.

Our children are dying, we have low life expectancy and corruption is now mundane. Anyway, what is my own 2019 if bubu or atiku win i will find a way out of this hellhole called nigeria

All na wash. The man is going to use it to fund his re-election jare.

Butterflyleo:
Dalaman the burden stone is being unveiled already.

This is the world leaders reaction.



E go do you vaaam for eye.

So this is what you are rejoicing for, a situation that could devolve into war, I thought i couldn`t be surprised but you shown me how evil you are to be enjoying such a thing.

winner01:
If the Bible was written through a 4,500 year period, and you're mocking the "end game" mere 2000 years later, what do we call you?

I see, you are a creationist, no wonder arguing with you has proven to be futile, you have been voluntarily caged by fundamentalism.

If the Bible was written through a 4,500 year period

the next time you want to defend your fairy tale remember that the bible was supposedly composed over a 1,500 year period.

Butterflyleo:
Dalaman you will soon grasp the meaning of a burden stone.

If 137 countries had to gather and be asked to vote for the resolution to make Jerusalem the capital of Israel yet you fail to see how it is a burden stone to the world.

When only 9 countries voted against this resolution yet Trump still went ahead to carry out the act despite 128 being against it, you will soon understand what it means for Jerusalem to be a burden stone.

E go do you vaaam for eye

Guy, you excel in talking trash. like i said before, our country`s people are suffering, Africa is suffering, yet you are praising your racist god for putting USA embassy in jerusalem. I hope you are a troll, cos i desperately want to believe that this Nigerian mentality of praising mediocrity is not going to show during 2019 election, so please get sense.

Jesus committed the sin of suicide

If Jesus was God as claimed by nearly all Christians, then he had the power to avoid being arrested and crucified. Therefore his crucifixion was a suicide, which is a sin according to Christian doctrine. Not only did Jesus not take actions fully within his capability to avoid being killed, he even predicted his death on multiple occasions, indicating that his suicide was premeditated.

Essentially, what Jesus did is equivalent to somebody brandishing a gun and threatening police so they can be shot- suicide by cops, as it were. Keep in mind that this allegation is aimed only at the Christian concept of Jesus. Secular historians believe that Jesus never predicted his death and did not seek nor expect his crucifixion.

Christians will claim that Jesus could be excused for failing to take actions to protect his life because it was a cosmic necessity for him to die so that sins could be forgiven. But if this is the case, then Christians should not blame either the Romans or the Jews for Jesus’s death- it was Jesus himself who is to “blame.”

Butterflyleo:
I will repeat, you still have a lot to learn in the your deep ignorance if this is what you could take away from what I said.

what were you trying to say? please help me understand and don`t quote bible verses for me, mr wise guy

dalaman:
Ogbeni , seems your lies are hurting you.

How has the nonsense written in the bible got anything to do with our reality today? Jerusalem will be a burden stone to all the people of the world how?

Maybe he is trying to say that they will become more powerful than USA dem

Butterflyleo:
Halleluiah in the highest. We are in the end game now. (Doctor strange).

It has begun.

we were in the endgame in 1988,1989,1999,2001,2012,2018. Left to you people 3018 and we will still be in endgame.

Butterflyleo:
Halleluiah, Halleluiah glory glory glory in the highest.

Isaiah 2:3 has just been fulfilled right before our very eyes even as Zechariah 12:3 was also fulfilled and i quote

"Jerusalem will be a burdensome stone for all people” of the world - (Zechariah 12:3)

https://www.nairaland.com/4503758/usa-finally-moves-embassy-jerusalem

Your country is still struggling with corruption and low life expectancy and you are praising god that USA moved embassy to jerusalem. SMH.

answer my question why arent we silicon based life forms since god created man from sand or is it dust or clay self

Butterflyleo:
He said EVIDENCES and you are saying EVIDENCE.

The intermediate species which should be in their millions should be avail us QUITE EASILY with tons of evidence and not the needle in the haystack fabrications we see from scientists.

Where are they?

Unfortunately i don`t have that evidence but let me ask you something; if we were created from dust shouldn`t we be mostly silicon based?

winner01:
Okay, and so because of petty rules, God does not exist?

Matthew 5:17-20 King James Version (KJV)
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
What i mean is that if god exists, you have to follow all these laws because jesus never abolished it and god said in Numbers 23:19:God is not human, that he should lie,
not a human being, that he should change his mind.
Does he speak and then not act?
Does he promise and not fulfill?

No story about Noah and his ark is complete without the bloated, gnarled, rotting carcasses of men, women, children, infants, fetuses, and other animals that God murdered floating alongside and bouncing against the boat.

winner01:
Shouldn't we have numerous evidences from the earths crust?

Yes there is evidence in the link i gave you.

Butterflyleo:
The right words ----> the right mindset ----> the right motivation -----> desire to achieve goals -----> increases confidence and determination -----> necessity -----> invention (of ones self or ones goals) ----> IT ALL COMES ALIVE!

Apologetics apologetics, smh. Some healings are too hard for god. Mostly he can heal only with the help of time, drugs, surgery, and the action of the person’s immune system.

We don’t need apologetics for houseflies. You simply point to them and say “there’s one now.”
Apparently the mightier you are, the more you need middle-aged pseudo-academics to ‘demonstrate’ your existence. Quite a paradox.

A real god wouldn`t make petty rules
One sign that the Christian god is not real is the long list of petty rules that he made for his chosen people, the Jews, that are prominently displayed in the Old Testament. Here’s a sampling:

Don’t eat pork (Leviticus 11:7-
Don’t eat fat (Leviticus 3:17)
Don’t lie about virginity (Deuteronomy 22:20-21)
Don’t mix meat with dairy (Exodus 23:19)
Don’t wear clothing made of more than one kind of cloth (Leviticus 19:19)
Don’t touch the carcass of a pig (Deuteronomy 14:
Don’t dress across gender lines (Deuteronomy 22:5)
Don’t cut the hair on the side of your head (Leviticus 19:27)
Don’t plant more than one kind of seed in a field (Leviticus 19:19)
Don’t perform ANY work on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:14)
Don’t be a male who is uncircumcised (Genesis 17:14)
Don’t speak in church if you are a woman (1 Corinthians 14:34-35)
These are the types of rules that would be created by anal-retentive men, but they’re not the issues that would concern the creator of the universe. The long litany of petty rules that have no bearing on a person’s character or have any effect on the well-being of other people is persuasive evidence that the Christian god is imaginary.

Butterflyleo:
So humans in its current form have only been around for about 200,000 years right?

Based on your comment and the fact that evolution is said to take MILLIONS OF YEARS to occur, we should have INTERMEDIATE SPECIES running around EVERYWHERE. So where are they?

They were wiped out due to competition for food and territory. and besides, since god created us from dust, why is there still dust.