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Because the stories don't make any sense.

tidedroid:
De gea today

So you sef know that anime? You get good taste.

Let me take a seat...

jesusjnr:
Simply because you are the seed of Adam but not that of Jesus!

So God is too weak to overcome that obstacle of me being adam's seed?

Okay, why can't God extend that forgivessness of sins to descendants of one who accepts jesus? Afterall, we are that person's seed, and he has been adopted into God's family, so using your logic, I should be forgiven for I am that person's seed na?

It's funny how when God wants to punish or condemn us, we don't need to accept or ask for his punishment/condemnation, yet when he wants to bless or forgive us, we need to accept and ask for that blessing or believe in him to receive it. And God is supposed to be a god of good, made of love and slow to anger.

rexwalters:
If the President of Nigeria is lifeless like you claim,how strong is your father since he is been ruled by a lifeless person according to his prodigal son?

His father is strong enough to Bleep your mom senseless whilst your dad watches in excitement

TheGreenLand:
Just like yourmy loved ones.

Thanks for clarifying it up. Just had to correct a typo.

TheGreenLand:
You are free to die.....
transformer or lagoon....make a choice!

Just like your loved ones right?

Anas09:
This is satanic. You deliberately attack a Christian bearing in mind he must not react because His books say not to.

Chai, satan and his people.

Haha. Delusions of grandeir at it's finest.

How many times has this argument been busted and yet, like an amnesiac, you still parade it around in foolish pride.

MrBible:
Good question and in continuation to the previous post below. The answer is that GOD did not create Satan. Satan was the one that created this world including men and women by stealing from GOD what is needed for creation and then mixing creation with his own evil will, in order to deceive men and women that it was GOD Almighty WHO created this world to be the way it is today thereby making many to doubt the existence of an Omnipotent GOD and turning them away from wanting to know GOD Almighty WHO owns all that is in this world including men and women.

Because GOD Almighty owns all that is in this world as they were stolen by Satan to create this world, is the reason GOD still has interest in this world and will one day reclaim all that Satan has stolen and save men and women who have not been too contaminated by Satan and GOD Almighty will make the world a perfect place. Since God did not create Satan, this is the reason why there are Supernatural laws that needs to be followed in order for GOD to reclaim this world from Satan in order to make it perfect.

And how do you know all this?

Yemike:
Guy, You need to do your researches very well before coming online to make mockery of your yourself.
The events in the bible happened over 2,000 years ago and by then slavery is still a good thing.

But the bible says the lord never changes, if he did nothing about it, then that means he is ambivalent towards slavery or thinks it's a good thing.

MrBible:
In answering this 13 year old girl's question you'll need to use your freewill to ask this question. If the man who created this robot knew that this robot will one day use its freewill and turn the world to what it is today, what will the man do?

Options:

1. The man will make sure the robot does not have freewill so that it will not fall for the deceit of another robot that has already turned bad due to it's own freewill.

2. The man will prepare another super robot that will come to recuse the world from the robots his has created after they have turn the world to what it is today.

The truth is that Satan has put his own verses in the Bible to deceive many into believing there is no GOD as anyone using the freewill GOD has given him/her will know this story does not show that an Omnipotent GOD created this world and it is like this today.

Image url:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARpd5J5gDMk

What stops him from simply not creating the robot, or putting a limit to it's freewill?

MuttleyLaff:
Someone doesnt want to own up they dont know what true and pure religion is, so takes refuge under the pretence of making sarcasm

I'm beginning to question your intelligence.

Slandering God, is what you're good at

That incompetent bitch can suck my balls.

/quote]Did he forcibly lead the innocent into sin?
Is he forcibly causing and bringing about the damnation of billions for eternity?[/quote]Yes. He did all that by corrupting adam and eve, which had the effect of all their descendants being damned unwillingly. So much for free will.

What made you think He didnt caution satan and told him what he would do?

The fact that this was never mentioned in the bible.

Have you forgotten that Satan has a mind of his own?
Dont you understand that Satan wouldnt be forced to do anything bar exercise his freewill?

So because of free will, satan is alowed to harm billions by proxy through adam and eve, meanwhile the free will of humanity is ignored because... reasons?

What made you think God never or didnt at least talk to satan to prevent the events of the bible?

What makes you think God did? Judging by God's general incompetence, I think he didn't. And by my previous post, God created satan evil, so he made no mistake.

Sin kills, if sin wasnt committed, we wouldnt be here, having this conversation Ruth

God is a lazy mofo, if he wasn't a lazy mofo, we wouldn't be here having this conversation mutt

It is knowledge gaps that leads you into making spurious comments like "punish all of humanity for the sins of three people"
and is why or how I end up having to do lengthy response posts, because I am picking up, after you've made a right botched up of facts.

Lol.

I am more interested in stating and showing you the reality instead of giving you excuses Ruth.

Your own deluded reality.

OK, you say Satan was a danger when he was created
but was Satan a danger from day one of his creation?
Was Satan a danger before sin was found in him?

Read post 280 to know my answer.

You turn soft work into hard work
I am always compelled to fill in the gaping holes in your arguments

Keep telling yourself that.

[s]Let me break it down for you
You do arguments because you trade in sharing ignorance
whereas I do discussions, bartering with knowledge and/or information, for exchange of the ignorance[[/s]/quote]
Blah blah blah.

[quote]To what end or purpose will it serve, giving satan his own universe to run?

To compare that universe with the one God owns, so we can see who runs theirs better and so mankind can decide which they want to live in. That's free will by the way.

If it is that easy and cheap to create a universe and human beings, why haven't Satan, you, LordReed and frank317 not gone to do one?

Because your lazy ass god refuses to use his power and give me one. Or maybe it's because god is imaginary and the whole personal universe was a HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO.

Ruth, I am not making it sound like God planned for satan to rebel

Yes you are.

neither am I indirectly saying God was incompetent.

Yes you are making god sound incompetent.

God, just as was done with Adam and Eve, gave Satan, a moment of choice.

Post 280 shows my new thoughts on this matter.

Ruth, you cant hide from the fact that, Satan was given total freedom to be himself,
afterall, surely, you can accept and agree that, a moment of choice, is a moment of truth
It is a moment to prove oneself

Whatever

It is close and similar to, why none of frank317 characters ever question frank317
or ever try to find faults with frank317 in how he created them and their world

So we are characters in a book with a predestined set of actions. Okay.

Privilege means a special right or advantage that only one person or group of people has

Okay. How does god's privilege allow satan to wreak havoc.

What's your birthdate?
I think I'll treat you to a something nice, like a dictionary, for your birthday

Lame.

1/ People are not punished for infinity

Substantiate this with bible verses or you are a liar.

2/ God is above been morally wrong

So he's above good and evil, yet can't create us above good and evil.

3/ The earth is a perfect rehabilitation system for sinners

No it's not. The earth is where sinners are made, god why do you lack intelligence like this.

4/ Hell is a Greek concept, Sheol or Hades is the approprite word to use

You don't have sense. Hades is the GREEK god of the dead and the underworld, and aren't all three places people are damned to for eternity?

Remember I wrote:
"Bottom line, when there is a blemish in a template, subsequent things made from it will suffer until when the flaw is fixed or template replaced"

Why didn't God fucking replace the template when the flaw was introduced? God's incompetence and/or evil nature is the reason for the pain and suffering.

Ruth, you dont change the default settings so newly created files aren't corrupted, it's the template that is replaced and/or renamed

Why doesn't god do that already?

Should have thought about that first before eating of fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.
Sorry we've gone past that stage, besides the train has left the platform and station

Yes. God should have thought about that. And why did God put that tree there in the first place?

We didnt have to find meaning in either (i.e. suffering or happiness)
but then, this goes back to Eden and eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil

Translation: I don't know so I 'm going to say goddidit.

Why dont you in protest go and create your own parallel universe and your own perfect human beings

Translation: I was caught off gaurd, and rather than say I don't know, I will ask a stupid question to throw my opponent off. Just say you don't know, I will only laugh at you.

I admit I am not half as unfunny as you are with your lame, weak and flat jokes

I never asked for this explanation of your pathetic jokes.

Those verses were talking about you specifically

Clown. That's what you are. After being busted for contradicting yourself or having no answer to my questions, you post stupid responses, questions and insults to damage control instead of admitting you don't know.

I believe whatever doesn't kill you simply makes you a better and stronger
The tragedy of the Garden of Eden is what has been happening and/or is happening all along Ruth.

Still said a whole lot of rubbish. You are a clown, on the level of your brothers, felixmoron, foreverscammer and schizophrenicbutterfly.

Ihedinobi3:
It's just like saying that a car that was built to be good was never good just because it went bad from use.

What an analogy. It fails because as an omniscient being, god should have seen what would cause the world to lose it's perfection and used his omnipotent power to prevent that. Unless you are saying God chose to allow the world lose it's perfection.

If you abuse anything that you possess the ability to abuse, then it will only deteriorate in quality.

So you are saying God gave man the ability to abuse now?

Even if you say man was tempted to eat the fruit, you stil have to anwer why man was made with the quality of being temptable, why god put that tree in eden and why god allowed the serpent to tempt eve and adam.

You guys shoot yourselves in the leg with every post.

So, God's Perfect World could be corrupted because the Stewards He entrusted it to possessed both the ability and desire to corrupt it.

Who created them with the ability to corrupt it? God.

Who gave them the desire to corrupt it? No one. Nowhere in the bible is it stated adam and eve wanted to corrupt the world intentionally, so you are talking jargons.

Also god is at fault here because he could have simply forgiven them. The same god can forgive anyone, and nothing is impossible for him, so why did he not forgive them then and there?

Jesus is Himself God.

Jesus is his own father and son, what mental disorder do we call this? And why does jesus talk about the father like he's a different person?

And Jesus Himself decided that because He loved His Creation so much, He would pay an incredible price to redeem it from the mess it descended into contrary to His Will.

What stops jesus from just doing like the father of the prodigal son and just forgiving mankind, especially because we are being pynished for someone else's crime.

Well, man has not succeeded at keeping himself alive indefinitely, how could he hope then to preserve Creation from eternal destruction? But God has the wisdom and the power and the desire born from His Love to do so.

Cool, why doesn't he do it without causing the eternal damnation of billions.

What can I say? If you will not listen to simple reason, will I force you?

Simple reasoning that falls apart under close examination.

My concern is just that you quote me correctly. If man had been the one created first with a free will, we don't know what would have happened. But angels were and it was one of them that started everything that you are complaining about.

And why is everyone dragged into one guy's mess? He can be dealt with singly na? Or god ain't omnipotent no more?[/quote]What I confess rather weird is that you think that it is a bad thing that God prepared for what would happen beforehand. Other human beings generally applaud foresight among themselves.[/quote]Foresight is necessary for we humans because we are limited in power and understanding, and as such we must plan for the unforseen.

Why is this something bad when God does it?

Because God already knows the beginning from the end and he has the power to render anything he doesn't want changed to his liking on a whim. God is unlimited in power and yet he cannot ensure that his creation has no flaws.

The world is the way it is because man sinned and still sins everyday. All the pain and suffering that exists comes from our sins.

Why didn't God already forgive us for our sins and remove the pain and suffering? If I don't have to believe in adam and eve to be damned, why do I need to believe in Jesus to be saved? Your imaginary God needs to apply the same standard to both things.

The creation that God made for us was perfect. Not even earthquakes, tsunamis or hail troubled us. In fact, the seasons that exist today and the harshness of the weather are a direct result of judgment upon the wickedness of human beings.

If god created everything and everyone perfect, where did evil come from?

So, why blame God? He shouldn't have given us a free will? If He didn't, would you be able to choose to come online and seek ways to insult Him or would I be able to choose to come online and seek ways to glorify Him?

If god cared about freewill, he would ask for our opinion on if we want to be born into this world of pain and suffering, afterall nothing is impossible for him.

His existence is not mutually exclusive with what you see. He is a loving God and cares for all of His creatures so

Yet he allows us to suffer.

of course He wants them to have a real choice whether to love Him back and an opportunity to learn Who He is if they want to. So, free will and an environment designed to demonstrate His Attributes to them must be made available to them and they must be allowed to react as they choose in order to learn Him better. If they rebel, they must know that as loving as He is, He will not indefinitely tolerate insolence from them. If they submit lovingly to Him, they will learn that He is faithful beyond words to those who do.

Why would someone listen to an authority he's only been told about by his fellow civilians and he has never seen, it's rules are rubbish and it cannot give a detailed and concise history of the land he lives in, yet claims to have created it?

Everyone stop!! This is the real reason satan isn't dead yet.

#copied from mynews24 bible study for atheists

Since the beginning of time (as it would seem) humankind has been plagued by the devil. Adam and Eve were still frolicking in The Garden of Eden when this evil fiend showed up to spoil everything for billions of human beings.

Humanity is fascinated with the devil...and Christians even more so! Songs are sung about him, books are written about him, sermons are preached on his origins and evil tricks, and even Jesus himself talks about him and duels with him in the desert. I am convinced more movies have been made about the devil than “the other guy”!

The devil is feared and...dare I say...respected? Christians prefer not to even talk about him, as talking about him apparently makes him stronger. He must already be extremely powerful, as even the Son of God has to pass a test devised by the devil to prove he (Jesus) is indeed who he claims to be (Matt 4:1 – 11).

WHAT CHRISTIANS BELIEVE ABOUT THE DEVIL

Please note that whatever you read now is what is generally taught in Christian churches and is believed by the majority of Christians, with minor variations. There are some “more enlightened” Christian groups that do not believe this.

According to Christians, the devil started out as Lucifer, an archangel created by God. He was perfect in wisdom and beauty, and according to the way Christians read and interpret the bible, he was adorned with all sorts of precious stones. It is even believed he had a beautiful voice with musical instruments built into his body (Ezekiel 28:12-15). He was one of three archangels mentioned in the bible by name (Michael, Gabriel, Lucifer).

Lucifer then got filled with vanity and pride, and started to have his eye on the throne of God (Ezekiel 28:17, Isaiah 14:13, 14). He deceived a third of all the angels to assist him in kicking God off the throne. This led to a massive war in heaven, with Michael (the war angel) and his angels gallantly defending the throne of God (Revelation 12:7-9). Lucifer was defeated, kicked out of heaven and fell to earth (Isaiah 14:12, Luke 10:18), along with the angels he deceived. Lucifer then became Satan, and the angels that fell with him became demons (Revelation 12:7-9).

Being absolutely devastated by this incident, God decided to create humans (Gen 1:26), apparently to replace his worship angels. The sole duty of man would then be to serve God and worship him (Eccl 12:13). Upon hearing this, Lucifer (now Satan) got really ticked off and decided to “get back at God” and seduce mankind. While posing as a serpent, the devil deceived the newly created humans Adam and Eve to disobey God (Gen 3:1-7).

So, upon learning of this deception, God kicked Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden and promised to crush Satan’s head (Gen 3:8-24). Oh, and God cursed the serpent as well (Gen 3:14). Poor Adam was now supposed to work all his life to put bread on the table, and no more magic children for Eve...she would have to do it the hard way.

And thus starts a 6,000 year old war between humans and the devil, with God on the side of the humans (of course).

According to Christian beliefs, God gave the earth to man in Genesis 1:28. Through the sin and disobedience of Adam and Eve, they in turn gave the earth to the devil. The devil is now in charge of the earth and has full run of the place, doing as he pleases. God has no dominion over the earth, as he gave it to humans who then gave it to the devil. Even Jesus SEEMS to acknowledge this fact in Matt 4:8-10 - Again, the devil took Him up on a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and the glory of them. And he said to Him, These things, all taken together, I will give You, if You will prostrate Yourself before me and do homage and worship me. Then Jesus said to him, Begone, Satan! For it has been written, You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him alone shall you serve. Jesus never tells Satan he is a liar, he just quotes a bible verse about worship.

Some Christians think the devil to be a very handsome, charming fellow...a master of deception. Others think of him as half man half goat, with big horns, a pointy tail and a pitch fork. All round, though, he is regarded as a nasty piece of work, bent on destroying all humans.

So, time to expose a few lies here.

LIE NO 1: THE DEVIL WAS ONCE AN ANGEL CALLED LUCIFER

The bible only mentions THREE angels by name:

Michael: The protector of Israel. He leads the war in heaven against Satan (Revelation 12:7-9), acted as a messenger to Daniel (Daniel 10:13), and argued with the devil over the body of Moses (Jude 1:9).

Gabriel: The official messenger of God. Mainly responsible for delivering personalized messages from God to various people (Dan 8:15-26, Dan 9:21, Luke 1:19, Luke 1:26)

Abaddon: The angel of the bottomless pit, and the king of the hordes that will torment mankind for 5 months (Rev 9:3-11).

Not once is Lucifer ever mentioned by name as an angel. In fact, the word Lucifer is mentioned only ONCE in the ENTIRE bible:

Isaiah 14:12 - How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!

The Hebrew word translated Lucifer is helel (or heylel), from the root, hâlâl, meaning "to shine" or "to bear light".

So, who is this “bright, shining one”? Well, in verse 4 it clearly states: “You shall take up this against the king of Babylon...”

No devil here. This verse simply refers to the super arrogant king Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon being knocked off his throne.

LIE NO 2: THE DEVIL WAS A (NAMELESS) COVERING ANGEL THAT WENT NUTS

Ezekiel 28: 12-17 - Son of man, take up a lamentation for the king of Tyre, and say to him, 'Thus says the Lord God: You were the seal of perfection, Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The sardius, topaz, and diamond, Beryl, onyx, and jasper, Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold. The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes was prepared for you on the day you were created. You were the anointed cherub who covers; I established you; you were on the holy mountain of God; you walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones. You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, till iniquity was found in you.

Who is this prophecy for? The king of Tyre, of course!

Eden? How could the king of Tyre be in Eden? Well, he wasn’t there physically. “Eden”, “the garden” and “the holy mountain” are all symbols of “paradise”...a place where man was in charge of everything...a place before “the fall of man”...a place of human perfection and dominance. This king was awesome and powerful, but the implication is that everything he accomplished was from God. The iniquity found in him was his pride. The king of Tyre was a man...not an angel.

No devil here either! Just another king being kicked off his throne due to his arrogance.

LIE NO 3: THE WAR IN HEAVEN

Revelation 12:7 - Then war broke out in heaven; Michael and his angels went forth to battle with the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought.

To expose this lie, I quickly have to (once again) include the opening verse of the book of revelation:

Revelation 1:1 - This is the revelation of Jesus Christ. God gave it to Him to disclose and make known to His bond servants certain things which must shortly and speedily come to pass in their entirety. And He sent and communicated it through His angel to His bond servant John,

Whatever is written in the book of Revelation must STILL HAPPEN. This is not a description of something that happened in the past. This is a prophecy of FUTURE events. This war must still take place!

No devil here either!

OK, so it would appear as though the whole Christian fantasy of this “fallen angel becoming the devil” is based (once again) on mistranslation of words and misinterpreting scripture. Christians perceive the devil as an evil monster going around with his army of demons, with one thing on his mind: to destroy humans. I will say this exact sentence again later...watch out for it.

WILL THE TRUE DEVIL PLEASE STAND UP?

Now here is an interesting titbit:

The devil is NEVER mentioned in the Old Testament...not once. You see, the Hebrew word “satan” is translated as “Satan” or “The Devil”, but the word “satan” does not mean “devil”. It means “adversary” or “opponent”.

And guess what?

The devil is NEVER mentioned in the New Testament EITHER! Not once! You see, in the New Testament the “adversary” gets a new name. Diabolos! The Greek word “dee-ab'-ol-os” means “to accuse or slander”. He is ALSO called “satanas”, with the exact same meaning as the “diabolos”...”accuser”. My Hebrew/Greek concordance says that I should also check the Hebrew word “satan” wherever I read the word “diabolos” or “satanas”. So, in essence, it is the SAME word...same description...same character. It would appear as though, purely based on his name, the devil is actually an “adversary” or an “accuser”, not a pitch fork wielding monster.

Try to read your bible with this in mind. Every time you see the word “satan” or “devil”, replace it with the word “adversary”. A whole new world will open up for you.

A quick rewind to LIE NO 2 - according to what Christians believe, the devil was a perfect creation until he corrupted himself and became evil. So, as the final nail in THAT coffin, I would like to offer the following verse:

John 8:44 (AMP) - You are of your father, the devil, and it is your will to practice the lusts and gratify the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a falsehood, he speaks what is natural to him, for he is a liar and the father of lies and of all that is false.

Let me quickly rip this verse apart to show exactly what Jesus meant when he spoke here.

“You are like your father the accuser...he was a murderer FROM THE BEGINNING and does not stand in the truth, because THERE IS NO TRUTH IN HIM”.

See, according to Christian belief, Lucifer was a PERFECT being...“the seal of perfection” (Ezek 28:14), who then corrupted himself through his vanity, but this is simply not true. He started out as a liar and a murderer. Nothing changed in him. And here, of course, is the clincher: “When he speaks a falsehood, he speaks what is natural to him”. It is his nature to lie. He was this way FROM THE BEGINNING!

So now I guess you are thoroughly confused. It is quite obvious that the devil never created the sin in him, nor was he a fallen angel. He was evil “from the beginning”. But then where does he come from?

God created him of course! IN THE BEGINNING!

And where do I get this?

Isaiah 45:7 (AMP) - I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and I create EVIL; I am the Lord, Who does all these things.

Here God admits that HE CREATES EVIL. Wow, what a shocker!

Well, what did you expect? Don’t Christians claim God created [/b]EVERYTHING? Well, everything INCLUDES evil![/b] The devil did not CREATE evil or lies! If Christians believe their own theology, then the devil cannot create ANYTHING! Only their God can! It is clearly stated in John 8:44 that “he was a murderer and a liar FROM THE BEGINNING”. God created the devil to lie and to kill! The devil is an instrument in the hands of God!

Bet you thought the devil kills people, makes people ill and hurts people? No, no, sorry my friends. It is clearly written in the bible:

Deuteronomy 32:39 - (AMP) - See now that I, I am He, and there is no god beside Me; I kill and I make alive, I wound and I heal, and there is none who can deliver out of My hand.

You see, the devil is merely an extension of...let’s call it “the dark side”...of God. God decides who lives and who dies, who stays well and who falls ill; He creates and He destroys. He doesn’t always do the destruction himself. He created “satan” as a tool...a destroyer to do his dirty work for him.

And where do I get this?

Isaiah 54:16 (AMP) - Behold, I have created the smith who blows on the fire of coals and who produces a weapon for its purpose; and I have created the devastator to destroy.

Christians perceive the devil as an evil monster going around with his army of demons, with one thing on his mind: to destroy humans. The truth is - the devil is under direct command and instruction from the God that created him. He was created for a single purpose...to destroy. If you are ill, it is God who makes you ill (Deut 32:39). If you die, it was God who killed you (Deut 32:39). The devil is just the hammer that drives the nail into your coffin.

God swings the hammer.

MuttleyLaff:
You have misunderstood what religion is
You are living with Alice in Wonderland,
if Scientology, Buddhism or "The church of the sub-genius" is what you understand true and pure religion to be

Yep, suck it up

You are out of touch with reality
I repeat present or point to your handiwork, of a world and humans you created, for us to see how good a job you made of it
otherwise apologise for your impudence, reckless and thoughtless "This excuse makes God look like an idiot" comment
You ought put "Learn how to mind my language concerning what I refer God as" on your bucket list

Someone doesn't understand sarcasm. And god is still an idiotic, narcissisitic rapist.

It's good to know, you accept and agree that Satan is a danger
but tell, please:
1/ How Satan, is a danger?

He is a predator who leads those who are innocent into sin. He has caused and is bringing about the damnation of billions for eternity.

2/ Was Satan a danger from the beginning?

From the moment he came into being. God as the omniscient God who can see all possible futures knew the danger satan posed to mankind but he chose to do nothing about it. He could have cautioned satan and told him what he would do. He could have at least talked to satan to prevent the events of the bible, not keep quiet and let satan sin and then have us sin and punish all of humanity fir the sins of three people. I know you will give me some half assed excuse on why God didn't try these better options.

3/ When and why did Satan become a danger?

When he was created. And the why is because he thought he could do a better job.

We've been doing this lane before
because you quite well, know that I dont do arguments Ruth.

You just say a whole lot of nothing to conguse your opponents so they forget the crux of the matter. I wonder if this is how you behave in real life.

I surrender sophistry to you Ruth and your gang because you lot are experts and best at it

Don't project your crew's M.O. on me.

The only times, you guys dont do sophistry, is when you have a temper tantrum & frustration caused from lack of understanding
so you throw a strop, spit out the dummy, fling it out on the floor and storm out of a thread with a shattered and bruised ego.

The only guys who throw temper tantrums are the intolerant ones who are angry that someone doesn't worship their imaginary god.

Wrong!
You are doing it again Ruth, not seeing the forest for the trees.

A whole lot of nothing. Trying to appear smart but failing in the process.

Satan, rebelling, is a by product of something else

God's incompetence and negligence despite his omnipotence and omniscience. Not creating satan, talking to satan or giving him his own universe to run would have been much better options than the stupid thing he did.

Ruth, I am not making it sound like God planned for satan to rebel

You are either doing that or indirectly saying god was incompetent.

The fact is, Satan was given total freedom to be himself,

The fact is, counselling and advicing satan would have been a much better choice than leaving him to come to his own conclusion. It also wouldn't infringe on his free will, unless you think guidance counselors infringe on the free will of students.

afterall, surely, you can accept and agree that, a moment of choice, is a moment of truth

[s]You requested that I say in one sentence not passing two lines, what is the god prerogative

I responded that, instead of one sentence, I can do it better with one word
so gave you - PRIVILEGE

Showing with one word, what "the God prerogative" is
but because of your ignorance of what the meaning of PRIVILEGE is,
you resorted to typing out, saying: "I think that sentence is better than this word which can mean anything you want it to mean".[/s]

Give me the sentence instead of all this trash. Or you don't know that privilege can mean different things. Don't be a lazy coward, teach this ignorant boy what privilege means to your own understanding. And don't bother reporting me, you have been throwing subtle insults at me and others here so don't act all hurt now.

SMH, there just isnt pleasing some people

Why would I be pleased when all you do is dodge and speak rubbish for multiple paragraphs without giving a straight answer to my questions.

You would say that, wouldnt you?
I am sorry Ruth, but there isnt any better other way
If there were, trust me Ruth, God wouldnt shy from it

There is a better way, you know it but you refuse to acknowledge it because it would cause you to admit god was incompetent. Deceiving yourself is allowed.

Ruth, I am picking up that your grievance, strongly, is about "Anything that does not involve the eternal damnation of millions"
and it seems "eternal damnation" is the focal of your outrage
Why does it bother and eat away in you?

Punishing people for finite crimes for infinity is morally wrong, especially when we humans use prisons to rehabilitate criminals, albeit imperfectly. That alone shows we are better than God, especially when you realise god and everything he does is suposed to be perfect, if so; Why can't he create a perfect rehabilitation system for sinners, and if you say blood of jesus, Why isn't it available for those in hell?

Ruth, in Bill Gates' Microsoft applications, millions of files may greatly suffer for "an ancestor's sin"
This is because new files are composed and created using default settings stored and/or saved in the "ancestor file"
but troubles can arise with the new files when the "ancestor file" gets corrupted or when it gets infected with a virus
Bottom line, when there is a blemish in a template, subsequent things made from it will suffer until when the flaw is fixed or template replaced

So you equate humans with files? Chai, nothing I won't read from you. But let me play this game. Why can't an OMNIPOTENT God just change the default settings so new files aren't corrupted? Stop limiting God, let's go wild with our imagination, nothing is impossible for him, so no solution that doesn't involve the corruption of new files is out of reach or too ridiculous.

Now look at the bright side of things, to survive, is to find some meaning in the suffering
At the end of it, we will forget the suffering
but never forget what the suffering taught, as will end being a better person

Why can't we just do away with the suffering which you may not overcome and just be created better people? Why must we find meaning in suffering and not in happiness?

[s]You're absolutely right that atheist here debate theists but it's DOA game plan.
Atheists unwittingly display the arrogance of an intellectual delighting in his own ignorances
That perfectly and/or completely, sums up who an atheist is
Argument is food for an atheist,
and why they are unashamed flock together, looking to trade in barter, for an exchange of ignorance[/s]

Ad hominem rubbish.

I clearly and without doubts, answered all questions, I did not dodge,

You dodged.

I said a whole lot

Of nothing.

but I guess you got overwhelmed under fast and furious information rubbish overload

Fixed.

Let me jolt your memory a bit,
do you remember what my "The situational problem will appear again" was in response to?

Can't the omnipotent and omniscient god come up with another way to make sure the problem doesn't arise again?

like these two jokers'

The only joke here is you and it's not even funny.

"[i]¹⁸I consider our present sufferings insignificant, compared to the glory that will soon be revealed to us.

Wow. What a sociopath.

²⁰Creation was subjected to frustration but not by its own choice.

Lol, Now I know you are confused. Haven't you guys been shouting free will uo and down, now you are saying we don't have a choice. Get out and come back with a better argument.

What planet are you on?
What do you think has been happening and/or is happening all along?

A gross incompetence.

xpmode:
How does your response correlation with the OP or my comments,

DO you need your med

How did your initial post which I responded to correlate with the Op? Do YOU need your medication

xpmode:
Simple answer is, no one dies in eternity, you only die in this world of sin

But if you are a sinner, you spend eternity in hell.

MuttleyLaff:
You dont know what true and pure religion is, Ruth

Scientology? Buddhism? The church of the sub-genius? They seem like true religion.

You heard,
just so in case, you didnt properly hear it right the first time,
I'll paraphrase, I am with one arm tied behind my back, discussing with frank317

Okay. Dream on.

OK, Mr smarty-pants, why dont you present or point to your handiwork of a world and humans you've created for us to see how good a job you made of it?

It's in surulere, go and see for yourself. The place is a paradise.

Wrong questioning sequence
You are putting the the cart before the horse
You can't see the forest for the trees.
Don't you see that "monster satan" is a detail?

Satan is a danger, no need for all this sophistry. You make it sound like god planned for satan to rebel.

I can, instead of one sentence, do it better with one word
PRIVILEGE
That is what "the God prerogative" is

I think that sentence is better than this word which can mean anything you want it to mean.

The situational problem will appear again
Hang on, so, you really think, killing Satan straightaway, from the onset, is going to immediately, solve or deal with the situational problem?

Yes. Anything that does not involve the eternal damnation of millions is better than what yahweh did.

Somethings are always going to get worse before they got better

Omnipotent and omniscient God couldn't use another way which didn't have to have millions suffer eternally for an ancestor's sin.

"I have much more to say to you,
but right now, it would be more, than you could understand."
- John 16:12

That's how atheist here feel debating theists.

One man's trash, literally, is another man's treasure.

Shebi.

Anyways, you still haven't answered my questions. You just dodge and say a whole lot of nothing.

Aarondan:
Remember, Satan challenge God in the midst of other angels, if God had killed Satan t will make it look as if Satan was right and God was wrong. So he let me to prove himself wrong

Why couldn't God just give satan another universe and set of humans and angels to run so that we could compare between the two universes to see which is best?

That way means that God can simultaneousluy show satan to be wrong and he himself right, and we will be able to exercise our free will to see which is better.

MuttleyLaff:
The light of the truth, can be too bright to the eyes of those in a dark unforgiving place, to see.

You're saying atheist have the light, while theists are in darkness. Okay.

[s]Look at LordReed doing famzing and attaché in slow motion. [/s]
Cult of ignorance and proud of being ignorant. SMH

The cult seems to be religion yo.

If I was aggresive like a dog marking its territory, my gloves will be off
There isnt even blood, yet, on the gloves Ruth

What?

1/ It is because God is sovereign is why God didnt kill Satan from the onset

This excuse makes God look like an idiot. What does his sovereignity have to do with him wanting to save his children from that monster satan?

2/ It is because of the God prerogative, that God didnt kill Satan from the onset

In one sentence not passing two lines, what is the god prerogative

3/ It is because killing Satan straightaway, from the onset, isnt going to immediately, solve or deal with the situational problem

How so?

4/ It is because Satan will be a tool and part of the solution

After millions have been damned.

I know what I bring to the table
Are your teeth strong enough to bite and chew on it?
Is your stomach strong enough to hold it in without retching up?

[s]You think I am out to waste your time, you say. Pfft
I freely, willingly and as long as I can will, give over time for you
Why? because lies can only manage to run sprints, but the truth runs marathons

Your ignorance on this matter humbles me

The 13 year old will come out more enlightened because the knowledge gap that prompted the question will have been filled and dealt with

Did you proofread what you just typed up here?
Did you muse over the cat and police dogs picture I attached up there, asking for an appropriate caption?[/s]

Trash.

MuttleyLaff:
I was just about wondering when you will admit you are out of your depth....
Scurry away with your tail hid and dangling between your limp legs

Why so aggressive like a dog marking its territory? You know you and your crew haven't said anything to answer the Op