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OP's grouse not gross.

Thank you. Checked

'OP has entitlement mentality and is feeling entitled to driving his father's car'. So what? It's his father for God's sake! There's nothing wrong in him cruising around in his father's car since he hasn't bought one yet. Besides, most of the commenters above missed the point OP was trying to make. In this age an time, a driving skill is very important especially when you are starting life on your own. I've heard of someone that lost a job opportunity simply because he can't drive a car. Since his father owns one, one would expect that he at least try to be supportive in helping the young man better position himself to starting life on his own. If I can't go to my kinsman for support, then with whom can I find? This is OP's grouse!

And oga OP, there is no need getting worked up over this. Your pop already made it clear you are not allowed to drive his car. Live with it and move on! Go out there and make some cash and get yours. You are a man.

Your check engine light is on

This proposal thing (getting on one knees and asking the other partner for consent in marriage) is a sham. The moment we agreed to be in a relationship, we already had marriage in view. So that 'proposal' thingy is formalities, albeit quite unnecessary.

So if a lady I'm in a relationship with 'proposed', then it's a yes; it always has been. That's my own definition sha, because I'm very picky when it comes to choosing a partner. Reason why I haven't found 'the one' .

blessedweapon:
Why is she talking about him?.
I thought she called him a ritualist sometime ago?
Does she still want a ritualist to play a part in her daughter's life

Women and confusion

I remember she was clamouring for the man to stay away from her daughter because she believed he wanted to use her for ritual purpose. He's done that, now she's shading him for staying away. Confusion in high places

GoodBoi1:
Was Judas Iscariot a believer, yes or no?

Matt. 26:24
The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born."

I understand your position; I was there before. I had lots of questions on doctrines begging for answers. Light came when I received understanding of the finished work of Christ. I didn't require anyone to explain what those doctrines meant further, nor whether they were correct or not. I judge all scriptures in light of the finished work of Christ. I walk in consciousness of who I have become because of him. I am one with the resurrected Christ; no difference. If you've seen me, you've seen Christ. This is what the gospel is about. What Christ became at resurrection is different from who he was before resurrection. I am after the image of the resurrected Christ. I am Christ. This is the testimony of every believer.

And no, Judas wasn't saved. None of the apostles were saved before the resurrection.

You are loved.

GoodBoi1:
Good. If you read that scripture again. Paul was not referring to any kind of believer, he wasn't referring to babes in Christ. Rather He was referring to mature believers that have gotten so intimate with God, they have walked with God that they have seen and experienced high levels of spirituality, they have been enlightened . They have had experience with God to a very high level, they have tasted of the good word of God and the[b] power of the world to come[/b] but chose to rebel against God. Just like lucifer and his demons, these kind know they are damned and are just waiting for the time

Matt. 8:29
And behold, they cried out, saying, “What have we to do with Thee, Jesus, Thou Son of God? Art Thou come hither to torment us before the time?”

Christians that have still have conscience and are convicted of their wrong ways do not belong to this category. It is rare but doesn't mean it does not happen

True. So can a BELIEVER lose his salvation?

Angy55:
White wedding is not a must. Do your traditional marriage and take your wife home in peace void of any worries of debt they will not listen. I'm yet to see where it is written in the scripture that church wedding is a must.

Wedding gown and suit wearers, some will even enter pre-wedding photos on credit.

Very unnecessary sturv. It's just a borrowed culture and has no root in Christianity.

GoodBoi1:
God made the investment but you still have to make a choice to choose between light and darkness

What are you saying? When the investment of the Spirit of light is already in you, what choice have you to make again between light and darkness? Have you not read that light and darkness cannot cohabit? You are light; in you is no darkness.

GoodBoi1:
This is my answer
1 Timothy 4:1-2 New International Version (NIV)
4 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will ABANDON the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.

So what does it mean to fall away? Can you tell me persons in the bible that have fallen away?

"If they shall fall away..." That is a premise. To fall away is to abandon the faith of Christ; to stop believing in Christ.

So what point was Paul making there? Paul was saying it is IMPOSSIBLE to renew them to repentance. Those that do this are very deliberate with their actions. They are not the lay believers who don't understand the life they carry. That's why 2 Tim refers to them as hypocritical liars. These ones know the truth (by 'know' I don't mean head knowledge as is common with many believers), they've interacted with it but deliberately chose to turn away from it.

Such rebellion is after the order of Lucifer. It is impossible for Lucifer to be accepted back to God. So it is with those ones. Those are the ones that loose their salvation. Once lost, it can never be gotten a second time, else Christ would have to be crucified for them again.

So when you say a believer loses his Salvation, it's an anomaly and is rare. It is a signification of eternal damnation that was deliberately chosen by a man that have tasted of the power of Christ. A believer can't lose his salvation. As long as he believes in Christ, his salvation is sure.

lefulefu right now

No comment . Let them fight all they want.

femi4:
So there is work to be done?

You are evading my question .

Check

John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Bringing forth fruit is what is referred to as work, right? The vine says you bear fruit because you are in him. It didn't say you are in him because you bear fruit. Understand.

femi4:
Go back and read again, that's English

It is "God who works in us" modifys " both to will and to work" for his good pleasure

So who is doing the work?

biggy26:
You are correct in your submission, but it's not the Holy Spirit that's in constant conflict with the flesh, but the human recreated spirit.

Where in scripture did you find that God recreated the human Spirit, and at what point in time did he give it to him?

There is one Spirit sir.

GoodBoi1:
If you go through my post you will notice that I said over and over again a believer will lose his salvation if he rejects it and choose to live a sinful lifestyle but God is ever ready to forgive u

Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Have you seen this passage in scripture before?

femi4:
you are in a haste, I concluded it that the work is with the help of God.

So, don't say we don't have work to do.

You have work to do with God's help

That scripture didn't say we work with God's help. It says God does the work . I didn't write it, so you can read it again.

The work flows effortlessly from us. It is God that do them. You should know this if you enjoy intimacy with the Holy Spirit.

GoodBoi1:
If you are alive, you are either pleasing God or not, there is no inbetween. Reverence for God should reflect in everything we do

Romans 12:1
12 Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship.

I dare to say rather, if you have Life (the life of God), you are pleasing to him. We don't seem to fully understand the investment God made in us when he gave us his Spirit. It's an eternal investment.

The new covenant is not between God and men (many) as many think. It is between God and his Son, Christ. You are a partaker of the new covenant because you are in Christ. You are Christ. You are pleasing to him.

GoodBoi1:
Yes, it happens. Just because slanders and negativity is being propagated against Christianity by unbelievers or flaky christians to the point of even rallying christians doesn't mean it has stopped happening. Same way you want to be people to be awed you should expected people to be irritated too just as they found the works of Christ and the apostles.

Branded thieves or not, what matters is that souls are being won for Christ

Philippians 1:15-18 New International Version (NIV)
15 It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill. 16 The latter do so out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. 17 The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains. 18 But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.
Yes, and I will continue to rejoice,

You still don't understand my point. The quality of life we are manifesting is far far below what we carry. Like how many souls are being saved?

Nigeria is regarded the most religious country in the world, made of good number of Christians, and at the same time one of the most corrupt. This is an anomaly. The Church is not showing the standard correctly.

femi4:
Rom 12

Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship.

Phil 2:12

Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,

Finish it:

for it is God who works in you both to will and do his good pleasure .

Stop trying to work to please God. You are already pleasing to him. The work is his. Flow with the Spirit

GoodBoi1:
I agree with you. That is what my posts says, that our faith in Christ is expressed in our works which is pleasing to God. We believe and do. Hearers and doers

What if we stop working, will we stop being pleasing to God?

GoodBoi1:
That there is one of the problem. A believe that walks in the spirit will be joyful even through trials and tribulations. Do you care what the world thinks or what the Father thinks? Joy is a fruit of the spirit and boring should not be attributed to christianity. Who cares what the world think?

Rom. 7:22
For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

Psalm 119:47
for I delight in your commands because I love them.

You missed my point completely. Am I bored with the Holy Spirit? How can I be? Have you tasted of the bliss of his presence or even his amazing sense of humor? I'm far from bored. I can never be.

The point; when men in the world observe the quality of our lives, are they in awe? Does it incite in them the desire to know? Even men that observed Jesus exclaimed, 'what manner of man is this!'. Do we find that being done with respect to Christians today? No, our ministers are branded thieves because they do indeed employ gimmicks is extorting money from their members. Miracles are branded fake because they seem to be an exclusive reserve of ministers and are done only within the four walls of the church.

This is an anomaly, and it's our responsibility to correct it. We are sent to the world.

GoodBoi1:
Yes from John 3:16 we can see that whoever believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting. Believe means you have faith in Christ to save you therefore you now behave like Christ because he owns you, He bought you with His blood

1Cor. 6:20
you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.


but faith without works is dead, and it is impossible to please God if you don't have faith therefore if you have faith in salvation through Christ, you also act like Him

John 14:12
Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.

James 1:22-24
22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. 23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; 24 for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was

Works do not validate our salvation sir. They are a consequence of it. We work because we are saved. It is automatic. A well flowing out of our inward being.

Working is not a proof of salvation but a consequence of.

Octopusssy:
Seriously? Luke 22 vs 44.

Matthew 17 vs 21-


The quoted verse is what Jesus said, meaning there are some special kind of situations that require fasting and warfare prayers. Yes, you go into battle with the mindset that God has won the battle already, but that does not mean you will fold your hands.

Leave all these big English you dey yarn. You never jam, brotherly. You never jam.

I like this. I would like to ask you, was Jesus fasting and praying when he by himself cast out that devil? Do you know that at that particular point in time, the disciples were not saved? Do you also know that there is a difference between who Jesus was before his resurrection and what he became after resurrection? Do you know we are in the image of the resurrected Christ? Think about that an tell me if any principality stands a chance against the Son of God. I am the Son of God!

GoodBoi1:
What happens to a believer who accepted salvation but chooses to live a sinful lifestyle?

Good question.

There is a place in scripture someone on this thread already quoted where Paul instructed to "deliver such a one unto Satan for the destruction of the body that the spirit may be saved". What was Paul trying to point out there? The Spirit we have received is incorruptible, indestructible! Paul instructing that the body be delivered to Satan for destruction gives credence to the fact that the body is not the measure of a believer's identity. The Spirit is. Doubt it? Check 2 Cor 5:16. We are Spirit, not flesh, and our Spirit is incorruptible.

Now I want you to understand that there is no difference between your Spirit and the Holy Spirit. No. Prior to salvation, the spirit we were carrying was a dead spirit. This was taken away entirely when we got saved. The new Spirit we have is the Holy Spirit. This is why we can say we are one with God. Stay with me.

Man is a tripartite being made up of Spirit, soul and body. The Spirit is the real you! If God is Spirit, those that are made in the image of God are what? Spirit! The soul and body are mediums of expression of the content of the Spirit. The soul acts as the recorder of the realities found in the Spirit. The body gives expression to the knowledge documented in the soul.

When you see believers walking in sin, what you see them doing is expressing knowledge from the old sinful spirit that was in them through the soul. This is what it means to be carnally minded. They are still functioning from old soulish knowledge and are yet to take documentation from the new Spirit they now are into their soul in order for the body to be edified.

What is the cause of this? Ignorance! They don't know who they are. The heir, as long as he is a child is no different from a servant. When we spend more time teaching believers who they are not supposed to be rather than who they are, how do we expect to see a change. You are asked to become something, but not shown explicitly the nature of that which you are to become. We should stop teaching believers sin consciousness and start teaching them to be God consciousness. Whoever is born of God does not commit sin. Why? It's against his nature. Sin is dead! Crucified in the body of Christ.

We have made Christianity so boring that we have now become a subject of ridicule to the world. Do you know that the cure to ageing and corruption of the body (death) is already in us? Christ is waiting for us to show this forth; we are here bickering back and forth on whether a believer is eternally saved. Can Christ in his resurrected state go to hell? If he can't, you can't. You are risen with him.

Ruddyman:
Good one OP , but I don't think you started clearly how to wage warfare prayers with RESULT HERE..

It's stated there. KNOW WHO YOU ARE! Jesus did not break a sweat in dealing with principalities. You shouldn't! And no, I'm not warring against them to win; I'm starting from the standpoint of victory. The battle have been fought and won on my behalf. I just go there to take the spoil. Walk in this consciousness! We attach too much importance to demons. They are powerless nonentities. I am Christ.

These are the kind of preachers we need to rid from the body of Christ. They know not the gospel, neither the power of God, nor of his Christ.The most popular verse in scripture, John 3:16 is a solid proof that our salvation is predicated upon believing in Jesus. The believer that gets saved and loses his salvation can never be saved again. Go read Hebrews 6:4-6.

The OP is a teacher of the law of letters and not of the Spirit of Christ. Imagine citing examples from King Saul and Judas. Was king Saul ever saved? Was Judas ever saved? Salvation did not come until Jesus Christ rose from the grave. What happened with Ananias and Saphirra was an error. And no, they didn't loose their Salvation. Did the Holy Ghost kill Ananias and Saphirra? Saying he did would be saying God kills. Error! God is Life, and in him is no death. It was the pronouncement of Peter that killed Ananias and Saphirra. Think of it, if Jesus was the one that handled the situation with those two, would they have died? Was their sin the most grievous of offences? Peter operating with the consciousness of the law of sin and death willed death on those two. And no, it was not the will of God. What was the aftermath of it? Great FEAR came upon the people. But God has NOT given us the spirit of fear....! Do you see that?

I can show you many places in scripture that points to eternal salvation if I find the time. What does it mean to have eternal life? Do you know the life that God carries is that same eternal life? No created being share in this life. Only believers do. Now, can God lose his life? If no, then you can't! We are saved and our salvation is eternal. Don't condemn what you don't understand.

MrPRevailer:
The preaching of endtime message is the gospel of the kingdom and will be preached to both believers and unbelievers.
The haters-of-religion generation are rejoicing. But they should know their end have been prophesied. And it is God allowing them to have what they want, just before their destruction.

Clothing
The angels of God put on white garments. Is that not a shabby dressing in the eyes of worldly people that prefer tight revealing cloths, skimpy and sexy attires.

May the eyes of your understanding be enlightened.

seguno2:
When the people are ready to make a change, they will have their government drive the change.
Until then, they can continue waiting for an abstract, disconnected government to do what they are not ready for. They will wait for ever.
Did the people of this same Nigeria not exercise ownership of their own government in 2010 against Yar’Adua’s cabal and in 2012 against the deregulation of the fuel sector

Yes, you can say that too. But the government being abstract and disconnected from the state of the polity is not an ideal situation. As much as the people have a great role to play, I believer the government is in a better position to pioneer it.

I don't undeeestand. Are they expecting for it to be delivered to them on a gold platter? Let them walk for it the way their make counterparts have done. People should be in position of leadership based only on merits.

Na today this rule dey ground? Tell the f**king distribution company to give us prepaid meter.

MrPRevailer:
In the day the yoke of true religion is broken, that will be the beginning of the worst of worst. You will wish you weren't born. The great tribulation is that day.
It has been prophesied and it's coming.

Bros wetin be this na ? So if I was not a believer, this is how you are going to preach Christ to me? You know not what manner of Spirit you carry. The axe is already set on that yoke of religion, and it's breaking it's hold. More are coming into the light of the revealed glory. The thing with most people that believe dressing shabbily is a show of holiness and modesty is that they don't understand what the finished work of Christ is. Have you seen Christ in his resurrected state? Beauty!