₦airaland Forum

Clinton9000:
99% of so-called Yoruba billionaires made their money from Niger Delta oil. From Adenuga to Otedola to Obat to Tinubus/Oando to Alakija to Folawiyo to many more; virtually all of them from Niger Delta oil. Niger Delta people...You see why they love One Nigeria so much!

Some of the names you mentioned are scions of financial empires that have nothing to do with ND oil.

Wahab Folawiyo didn`t make his money from ND oil.
Folawiyo Energy Ltd. headed by Tunde Folawiyo that`s into Oil & Gas is a subsidiary of Yinka Folawiyo Group of Companies.

Obat gets his oil from Ilaje.
You should understand what I left unsaid.
Adenuga also probably gets his oil from Ondo State since most reports claim Conoil is the first indeginous oil company to discover oil in commercial quantity in the state.

The Tinubu fam. has always been wealthy,right from the time of Madam Efunroye Tinubu.
Saying the fam. became well-heeled from leeching ND oil is ridiculous.

Gonzo journalism.
He should give the contact of the 'General' to the police and stop feeding us with propaganda.

Hehehe. They exist as classified knowledge available to only a selected few.
If you doubt no 3, you'll need to volunteer yourself for a test; if it does not work on you, then we'll dismiss it as a myth. Are you ready ? @HardMirror.

These obtuse buffons disgracing themselves and Oyo State should be locked up and the keys defenestrated.

The rap!sts should have their left testicles amputated.

Something's wrong with sec. schs in oyo state.

This scandal's being blown out of proportion.

Don't 4get to tell us how much davido wired to your acct,brother.

Oshoko my nigga,kill 'em with the exegesis.

Ubenedictus:
Yap, u have sumtin different?

i think i do.the only civilization that dates to the bc era in nigeria should be nok.

Ubenedictus:
TAKE is as ur homework

An Obagodo existing in the BC Era ?
Smh.You are a joke.

LMAO@"...made the family a laughing stock." Hypocrite talking like homos3xuality is new to the black race.

Ubenedictus:
Obagodo is dated BC i.e before christ, the historical obatala was about d time of oduduwa which puts him at 1000AD, Between them there is about 1000yrs.

lol, source?

This brother needs a shrink.

Ubenedictus:
Unless obatala was over 200yrs old then obagodo certainly exist long before obatala was born. i see u didnt bother to check d list of ogiso.

lol,your assumptions are really funny.
provide the dates of birth of obatala and the first ogiso and compare them here .
I don't need 2 check anything.
Post it here and tell me how it supports your claim.

Ubenedictus:
You can read d list of ogiso in benin, that was before oduduwa.

we are talking 'bout obatala not oduduwa here.

And b4 oduduwa and obatala was born there was obagodo in benin.

the above's your post.i asked 4 a proof,and you are telling me to check the list of the ogisos.
You must know the age of obatala for you to conclude that the ogisos are far older;how old is/was obatala ?

Ubenedictus:
And b4 oduduwa and obatala was born there was obagodo in benin.

proof?

macof:
Certain words will be shared between Related languages. .. Ogidigan means very tough/unyielding in Yoruba which describes Ewuare's character. . and simply "great" in bini. you can see they are related

idumota means place of pepper in Yoruba. .especially Ijebu and Awori dialects. .they use "Idu" a lot


Have you ever wondered why the Oba of Benin is called "Omo n ’ oba?
it's what we call oriki tradition ...

9ice.
I had the street slang in mind.

Ubenedictus:
The word oba isnt foreign to benin, the oba also confirm that oduduwa was an exiled benin prince. did u miss that part of d speech?

Oba has been in use before the exiled Oduduwa(as you claim) got to Ife.
Who did Oduduwa meet at Ife?
Oba-tala.

Doghe:
Ogidigan is purely Bini. It means Great.

Ogidi can be found in Yoruba.
The oriki of Ajayi is - Ajayi Ogidiolu abbl.
In colloquial Yoruba, Ogidigan= it's great.It's synonymous to the slang ogaragan.
Pronunciation might differ though.
Cc: Shymm3xx .

Popcaan - Never Sober. Zoro - Ogene ft Flavour. Liquiddeep - Still.

No one voted for Buhari.
What most Nigerians who aligned with APC voted for is the novelty of replacing the PDP with a new team.
Buhari was the only notable option available.
He might need to leave the other room for another first couple to enjoy if he does not make good his promises of Change by 2019 tho'.

AreaFada2:
Hahahaha@awon Alale Moba.

Those dudes/dudettes up there or wherever you chose to put them have better things to worry about in the 21st century.
You think only the breathing covet fine things?

You better go pour libation with original imported gin than worry about their sensibilities.

Anyhow, by coming forward & sticking my head above the parapet, I have expected missiles thrown. And many have been thrown over the years. One would be accused of pride, showing off and whatnot. Interestingly, in real life I do not show any sign of origins. In fact a colleague nearly found out I might be related to certain people. He peeped over my shoulder and saw my email content. I dismissed it as the name being very common. Very unprofessional, but he's a fellow 9ja person so I let it slide.

I am totally anonymous here and I feel free to talk more & answer questions or join debates. I have never claimed that my stories are 100% correct. But compared with my peers, I began writing down information gleaned from the elders at a young age. Most came from people who had nothing to gain from any propaganda. Nigeria was not even so ethnically divided then.

A great many of them lived their lives as Ado-Akure people, certainly well into early adulthood and generally considered Yoruba.
For most they just relayed what they knew as the truth growing up. Much of which has changed and obliterated since 1914. For example, many minor chiefs have lobbied their way with the establishment & risen to 3rd class, 2nd class & now even 1st class monarch. Many, as it is popular in Yorubaland have suddenly plotted their direct descendance from Ododuwa. Benin is different. There is only one King. All dukes created same time as Ogiame of Warri, Eleko of Eko, Obis, Ovies and others, all remain dukes in current Benin Kingdom, which is just a tiny bit of ancient Benin Empire. While their peers of then are now first class monarchs outside current Benin Kingdom.

Any mention of any current Yoruba King descending from a king outside today's Yorubaland would be laughed at, pretty much as we see here now on NL. The case of Lagos (Benin influence) is just too profound and documented that it has been difficult to cut it out of history, not for want of trying by many though.

FYI, I take my time to write because I know there are very many silent readers out there. However long & tangential it may seem.

To be continued.

Reading...

There are certain things you mentioned in your post that I don't agree with,but I wount digress.

Am interested in what you have to say about Otun.
Bear in mind that I also have elders who are well-versed in the history of Ekitiland and Moba in particular.

As for the Alales,they get regular shots of spirits that uplift the spirits from me.
The last time was 3 months ago .

AreaFada2:
Which one chance? I have dispatched off many trolls like you over the years. Check years back. Even with some lost because of cyber-attack on NL.
If I knew you were a troll only registered just last December, I'd never have wasted my precious time on you.
You are not going to pay for my history lessons, why should I teach you for free? Not that you even have manners or show gratitude.
i have sent lots of worse trolls with reasonable history but with massive tribal egos.
Those who ask politely, I squeeze time out to answer as detailed as I can. Queue behind those well-mannered people and keep looking over their shoulders.

I know your problem.
It's pride.
Instead of defending your statement logically with facts or admitting that you were wrong,you tried to bluff your way through while unabashedly sounding arrogant.SMH.
Get off your low horse.

I could have let it all slide, but awon Alale Moba would have frown at me .

Am not even trolling yet,and you already flustered,checking my profile and blubbering bombast ;
you've even increased the number of your grin simileys from 2 to 7 . This is interesting.

Back to the reason why am dignifying your posts with replies.

Expound your claims reasonably.

AreaFada2:
Retinal detachment. Nice.
If you're better at discussing ophthalmology, happy to do that with you.
Because your grasp of history is poor my friend. Stick to what you know.
You're absolutely correct. Internet is a leveller. Especially google & free megabytes.

Don't troll.
Sorry,that escape route is blocked.
Expound your claims with fact.

You don enter one chance .

Been there and I know how it feels to be the one-eyed man in a nation of blindmen,then you step out and realise not everyone suffers from retinal detachment.
The Internet takes the blame though -- for being a leveller.

AreaFada2:
Well, I am not going conceal my ancestors because someone might feel offended.
For anyone that knows the importance of the big picture, the point I made about alliances is apt. If just defending a particular position from a particular narrow angle and in reality have no interest in history you will not see my point.
Take it or leave it. Northern Ekiti for long periods was a buffer zone against Oyo Empire. Now, no savvy empire would entrust the ruling of a buffer area in the hands of a potentially unreliable chieftain. Certainly not Benin Kingdom did that.
Read about the history of the Low Countries of Europe and the role they played in the power play between European great powers.
If you have no interest in history or comparative history, this will naively appear tangential and too far away to be relevant to what happened in Northern Ekiti at roughly same period.
While pun intended, you unwittingly got very close indeed.

What interest in history are you talking about when you keep posting rots.
You said Otun was under Benin,and Benin warriors defended Ekiti against Oyo.
I asked two questions that showed your claims are false,and you are here making assumptions like :

Now, no savvy empire would entrust the ruling of a buffer area in the hands of a potentially unreliable chieftain. Certainly not Benin Kingdom did that.

And reaching for straws like:

Read about the history of the Low Countries of Europe and the role they played in the power play between European great powers.If you have no interest in history or comparative history, this will naively appear tangential and too far away to be relevant to what happened in Northern Ekiti at roughly same period.

Yeah.Am sure I got close 'cause those of us born in the purple don't announce our nobility to the world.Only men who think they are dukes but don't count in the hierarchy(pun intended) exhibit such behaviour
If that comes across negatively,apologies.
This is meant to be a forum where people bring their ideas,better still knowledge forward.

PS:It's not my duty to find the names of the Heads of both Empires during that time,how long Ekiti Parapo lasted and other unconnected issues.Do the spadework yourself and present a sensible argument that delineates how all these bolster your wild claim.
Mine is to counter with the little I know.
I'll repeat: if we were discussing Lagos or Owo you'll have been swift in substantiating your claims with evidences.Now that we are talking Otun/Ekiti here, why have your spring of facts dried up?
It's funny.
Anyway,I'll keep an eye on this thread.It's either you ignore or back up your myths with plausible posts.
If you can't,I'll enjoin you to eternally remain silent about Otun and stop parroting myths to deceive impressionable readers.

AreaFada2:
Far from sneering. That has more to do with how proud you are of your ancestry, whatever status it had. You will not consider it negative if you are comfortable with it.[b]Now what you have done is jump forward to defended what you have neither the acquired knowledge or intimate family historic involvement to do so. [/b]Simple.
If that came across negatively, apologies. This is meant to be a forum where people bring their ideas, better still, knowledge, forward.

Don't even try to justify your insolence.You don't sneer at(mention derisively)the ancestry of someone in a casual conversation where I come from.
It has nothing to do with with the status of his or her lineage.

The bold makes no sense.Do you know the position of my fam.(esp. on the distaff side) in Mobaland?
Am the last person you should be saying such a thing to.
I should be the one telling you that, 'cause am from Mobaland and you are not.

I hope he gets to the top soon.
L.A.X. is good.
Ole ft Ycee & Dreemo is major.

"Moreso,how important is your ancestry in the monarchies of Yorubaland that you claim to know about?"

AreaFada2 or whatever you call yourself, I hope you know that sneering at someone's ancestry is considered the worst form of insult?
Just don't post sh!ts you can't defend about Otun and I woun't have to quote you.

AreaFada2:
What you fail to realise is the fluidity of alliances, of whatever name. You seem to believe that history is just one long period in which all things remained same.
Let me tell you, many wars historically broke out when one party broke the terms & conditions of alliance or suzerainty. Like a new headstrong prince ascending the throne and believing that his father or grandfather had been weak to agree to unfavourable terms.
Now you picked one alliance as evidence that Ekiti never needed to be defended by Benin. What was the lifespan of that alliance and from roughly which year to which year did it stretch? Who were the ruling monarchs in Oyo & Benin during those times?
You need a far better understanding of history before you jump forward claim to be an authority in any topic.
Why should I not mention my relatives anywhere in the world? And in Ondo/Ekiti in particular? After all, most of them are very likely more educated and better enlightened in the history of those parts than you. And may even have higher stakes than you in those parts.
Moreso, how important is your ancestry in the monarchies of Yorubaland that you claim to know about?
Those you call revisionists, what better evidence of history have you that the boundary between Oyo & Benin Empires spheres of influence was not set at Otun?
For many of us, it is not just something about tribes, it is also part personal family history passed down. If you do not belong to that echelon of traditional society, I do not expect you to know. Period.

I can't remember claiming to be an authority in any field of knowledge, let alone history.
And I have my reasons for calling those I called revisionists so.It has nothing to do with Otun being a boundary between both Empires;stop extrapolating wrongly from what I typed.
Apart from these two aspects of your post, I couldn't discern either head or tail of what you were trying to say.
I raised two points for you to address and you went off tangent pelting me with questions and saying unrelated things.
I challenged what you posted.Yours is to prove me wrong.I know if the discussion had been about Owo or Lagos you'll be quick to point at some Benin influences.
Now that Otun's on the tapis, you're telling me about alliances and suzerainty.
Tsk tsk.I'll pass.
PS: If you think you're one blueblooded Duke on a level that doesn't Count(pun intended) replying a gentry,fall back with your conceit,dude.

AreaFada2:
Really? I guess you will also deny that Benin Empire defended Ekiti against Oyo empire. Well, it makes no difference now. Benin gave up the empire in 1914. But history remains same. I happen to still have relatives across both Ekiti and Ondo though.
Maybe next time you will say that Otun was a powerful empire. I expect anything from history deniers these days.

Is this your idea of a joke or you are really serious?
If Benin soldiers had defended Ekiti against Oyo,why were they not present during the Kiriji War to fight the Oyos?Why were there no Benin troops in the EKiti Parapo alliance?Eh?
Draw it mildly.
Even most revisionists only mention Otun as a frontier town between the Benin & Oyo Empire.
It makes a difference;some of these myths need to be exploded.
You need not mention that you have relatives in Ondo & Ekiti to explain away the flaw in your post.
I am from Mobaland,and Otun is only a 10mins journey from my hometown .

AreaFada2:
You made some points, some salient, others very subjective & others mere conjecture.
That you think some people "genuine Yoruba with the spiritual aspect" and others "fake Yoruba" is your opinion. To which you are entitled. What matters is that people explore their identy/ies by themselves and can live happily with it.

But generally, the clamour for share of national cake & political influence by every hamlet, tribe and ethnic nationality has made everything a game of numbers.

If your tribe cannot determine the outcome of a national election, one can now trample on your tribe & history without batting an eyelid. Irrespective of how enthusiastically that history is celebrated in museums across the world. I have no illusion about the Nigerian reality.

Now to oriki. Literally every Benin person has an oriki. And Benin people have an ancient word for it too. Your oriki is that of your ancestral lineage. It is basically a praise poem, extolling your ancestors, their origins, royalty, nobility or exploits, etc.
If I greeted an elderly woman around 27 years ago in the morning, like any other descendant of Eweka I, the oriki she would call me is pretty much similar to Oba's own, with the difference that I will be called "son of" his majesty, home leopard, the spotless white bird from Ife/Uhe, Umogun, and many more...depending on the knowledge & creativity of the said elderly woman.

In the morning Benin people do not greet good morning/hello/ekaro to elders. Your greeting depends on your ancestry. A man of 80 sitting in his verandahin in Benin in the morning would be greeted by children and wives passing by thus:

Delaiso (Ogiso descendants & women married into the family)
Lamogun (Eweka I's descendants & their wives).
Lagiesan (Children/wives of Chief Ezomo/Commander of Imperial Army)
Lamosun (Children of Chief Ero who is Duke of Urubi/Keeper of North-Western City gate)
Delaihe (children of Elawure/Duke of Usen, a Yoruboid/Ado-Akure Town just about an hour from Benin)

And many more families.
Pretty much like bronze/brass commemorates events, ceremonies and more, your oriki reminds you every morning of your ancestry & history. And it is an ancient practice in Benin.

As for Oba, very funny to hear that it is not a Benin word. In philology, both Yoruba & Benin are termed East-Kwa Niger-Congo language family. Just like Igbo. If Igbo that branched out earlier from the tree still call their King Obi, how impossible is it that both Benin & Yoruba retained Oba from the "ur" or "stamm" language? Moreover, the Ogisos of Igodomigodo already used the title Oba-Godo, so what is the big deal?

Well, well, people always came up with this Idejo talk. That Eleko owns no land.

Now listen. To be a Benin person in those times meant making lots of sacrifice: war conscription, huge levies, abstinence from sex for even married couples & many more would be imposed by the King. So many migrated, with body tattoos and tribal marks used to check exit.

The point is Benin did not have a huge population to fight unnecessary wars. They had to be strategic, tactical, ruthless & efficient.

In Lagos, Benin needed to control areas with access to the sea & lagoon. It was expensive paying mercenaries, which Benin did a lot.

Why would Benin just be fighting endless wars deep into Awori country, with many more strategic/important wars to fight?? The Aworis that needed to be overcome were overcome to control the Eko of Lagos Island. But with documented battles at Iru area. Some do not rule out Oniru having Benin connections.

So even if Benin wanted to take over vast lands, it could not get the population to do so. There, sometimes installing stooges or own princes to pay tribute & maintain loyalty & create buffer zones against Oyo & Idah for example as happened in Northern Ekiti (Otun) & North of Edo.
As for the book by Egharevba, I read it several times as a kid, and memory seems vivid about Ekaladerhan.

Like I said, most people do not know their history, let alone Benin history. We really do not need other people to tell us our history. Everyone can tell his. It does not mean others will agree with you on it.

However, I salute your enthusiasm & interest in history. More people should do same.

As for selling land again to the Oba by Ogiamien, for a token, it has become part of tradition & coronation rites, like many that will happen in the 15 days the rites will take. He will for example symbolically climb a palm tree, to commemorate the suffering of an ancient crown prince centuries ago, who faced opposition before becoming king. Does this mean this crown prince really cannot feed himself without first harvesting palm fruits?
It is meant to further train the prince in humility and appreciate the efforts of his ancestors.

Otun-Ekiti was never under Benin Empire,neither did she pay tribute to Benin.

lexiconkabir:
What I know is, oriki is like a poem used for praising, so in the oriki, a specific name is mentioned for example "akanmu-okin", I think that's what SaffronSpice meant by "oruko oriki"

Yeah.

"7. Oríkì oruko (Oríkì attached with some names): There are sub categories of Oríkì oruko.o Names emanate from oríkì for instance Akuruyejo.o Also, some names have special oríkì sometimes because they have birth process, the day/time they were born or remarkable event around the time they were born, for instance Ojo/Aina, Olugbodi, Abidemi etc.o Apart from this, some names are used for praise singing, such names are called oruko oriki. It is the tradition in some parts of Yoruba land to give chlidren oruko oríkì, that is; names that praise sing a child, for instance; Aduke, Akanni, etc. Such names start with A."
https://orikiwa./2012/01/06/hello-world/?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C5460217164