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Childofaking:
What does a pastor need a private jet for ? You are so ignorant of what a Pastor does . Do you know that some G.o s have oversea churches in over a hundred countries and will need to move with his own schedules and not the schedules of airlines?

How come we don't have problems with Dangote and other business owners having private jets but have problems with Pastors. You think those businesses are more important than the work of God?

So what does a pastor need four private jets four........ The apostles preached the gospel far and wide, never used a private jet.

The missionaries n Europe that brought christanity Asia, africa , south america and so on never had a private jet, or r ur Gos doing more in preaching the gospel than the apostles and early missionaries

AkpaMgbor:
Are you not one of them who say "leave the messenger and address the message"? Giving to the poor is very good like judas suggested, but why didn't Christ himself rebuke the woman? Just like freeze, he wears expensive watches and flaunts it but gets riled up when a preacher wears something good? Christ later said in that passage that there will never be a shortage of poor people, meaning you can give to the body of Christ and still give to the needy around you..

Rubbish.......freeze is working so can spend his money how it sees fit....collecting money for people meant to feed the poor and cater for d need and end up using the money to live a lavished lifestyle and wen I talk u say God will curse me, touch not my annoited......haba!!!! .....ur mumu never do!!!!!!!!!!!.....govt go use u do mumh, pastor go use u do mumu...r u now just used to been in that state that even the state of mumuism now seems so normal ur ready to defend it to d latter

Ask God for wisdom abeg

DBestDoc:
The money paul collected, was it for himself?
No
Was it to be kept in a bank account as a church fund?
No
Paul gathered those offerings so he could send them to the brothers in need . That is what the early church, the real christians were known for. They shared all they had with those that didnt have . No one collected from the rest in the name of being a pastor or prophect.

Even Paul you quoted never took anything for himself. He said he worked with his own hands, that God forbid that he becomes a burden to anyone. Even though he had the right to tax them, he never did.

Try and study the bible very well, and when you do, desist from picking a single verse rather, read the preceding and subsequent verses to get the full message.

Tithing is very unchristian,whether you accept the glaring truth or not. But offerings are recorded everywhere in the bible. Jesus gave and received for His ministry, the early church also gave and received. But giving has to be done cheerfully like the bible commanded that is why the widow gave. Willingly and Jesus hailed her for that.

You can give jets to your pastor, nobody stops you from doing that, but saying you're giving it to God is where the problem lies. God is nobody's mate. Tithe to your pastor and his ministry but don't drag God into it 'cause clearly from the scriptures, the only way you give to God is by giving to the needy, clothing the naked, feeding the hungry, visiting the sick and our services to God. Don't add or subtract from the scriptures.

Mhen u hit d nail on the head......u have uncovered their lies

wirinet:
Christ does not care about tithes, that was why the only times he mentioned tithes at all was in condemnation of the pharisees.

Now see Jesus condemnation the pharisees;



See that you guys are very similar to pharisees that Jesus was condemning.

How will they see of wen they r living under a spell

KENZINCO:
Some of you here are just ignorant of the obvious things. Let me explain a little to you.

Daddy freeze himself lives in one of the most expensive area in Lagos, he buys expensive cloths , shoes and even the wristwatch (he was displaying one with the Puppy man in Dubai)
But as long as poeple like us who are not as rich as him and his likes are, still buy little things in the market and pay for some services which are advitised on radio stations like Cool FM( where Daddy freeze works) , we are still the one indirectly providing the funds that allows him live this expensive life for him. We pay for things we buy and services, the service providers take our money to place like cool FM for advertorial, then cool FM pays Daddy freeze and other workers with this money. This was exactly what I was trying to tell him on Instagram b4 he blocked me, the same thing I was telling Gbenga and Catherine of the Let's talk program on Nigerian info b4 they also blocked me from their Facebook page up to this day.
So stop fooling yourselves around people who don't want to hear others tell them the truth but are claiming to be the Messiah and eyes opener of others, who are still exploiting your foolishness to gain more popularity and make more money on social media.
It is my choice to buy things or get a service from a provider and pay for it, then who does it now become a sin for me to feel that a pastor has provide me with a service and I willingly give home something in return?

Is freeze a pastor or does he won a charity that collects money from people for a greater cause only to use their money to finance a flamboyant lifestyle and leave ur subjects in abject penury.

The man works for his money he has a right to spend it NY way he wants....abeg which work adeboye dey do

AkpaMgbor:
This is why I say that most of the people being hoodwinked by freeze and his cohorts are mere church goers and biblically naive Christians..little wonder that when Christ was eating and drinking with tax collectors people accused him of mingling with sinners..they would also accuse Christ if he came today...

What will we accuse Christ of collecting tithe. He never collected tithe......pls show me a verse were Jesus paid tithe or collected tithe...else u r living under a spell cast on u by ur pastor... Or u r a pastor fighting so hard for ur daily bread

AkpaMgbor:
Show me where Jesus condemned tithe...naive sheeples.

So anything Jesus did not condemn is acceptable....... Show !e were Jesus condemn homosexuality??..... If u cannot show me, who is d naive ignorant brainwashed sheeple. U r living under a spell

ojoagba:
truth be told, demons would always like to attack the church. even Jesus was attacked. all the disciples were attacked and most killed. boko haram is attacking the church. freeze's attack shouldnt be a breaking news. in the midst of this baseless attack, deeper just commissioned a 45k seater capacity church. in Nov, 2017, God used a single man to build a one billion naira church structure for winners at vgc, lagos and was commissioned by papa oyedepo. dunamis is opening a 75k seating capacity church by early next year in abuja. when pastors and the church was poor, they were happy and mocking (shes as poor as a church rat) now, they are pained and frustrated. dem never see anything.

Na was o...how do u tink set.....so building structures is now waht Christianity is about.... Have u asked urself y with all these, structures, crime is increasing, fraud is going up, kidnapping everywhere, armed robbery, ritual killing...pple r doing all these for money, that's because the standard of living is poor, pple must survive so they do everything to find their daily bread.

My brother u r so ignorant,u can't see farther than ur nose, how does the structure put food on the table of pple, d govt has failed, d church which is supposed to be a support for these pple r milking the same pple and telling dem God will provide, I'm collecting from u because I want u to go out of poverty, so these Christians result to crime

AkpaMgbor:
Don't you see how naive you church goers sound?? So according to you and freeze, I'm free to give my entire months wage to the church willingly but I will be wrong to give ten percent of a month wage to the church? Does that even make sense to you lots??

Oga keep quiet....pls show me were Jesus or the apostles collected tithe??

Ochoiho:
Eya a a, so this is your sound understanding of the scripture. I;ll take time to explain to you not to 'shame' you but believing that God will give you understanding so you can come out of this cult call Catholic. Time is running out.

The only image included in the Temple that Solomon built was that of the Cherubim. That is the parttern for building the temple as was shown to Moses on the mountain.
Acts 7:44 Our fathers had the tabernacle of the testimony with them in the wilderness. It was constructed exactly as God had directed Moses, according to the pattern he had seen
See the Tabernacle as was built by Moses, Solomon only followed the parttern, anything short of that is not acceptable.
Exodus 37:6-8"He made the atonement cover of pure gold—two and a half cubits long and a cubit and a half wide. 7 Then he made two cherubim out of hammered gold at the ends of the cover. 8 He made one cherub on one end and the second cherub on the other; at the two ends he made them of one piece with the cover'.
Apart from that of the Cherubim, which other Image did Solomon included in the Temple? Can you also show me where the children of Israel where seen 'honouring' the Image of the Cherubim included in the Temple.
Is it that you people lack basic understanding or the church only look out for what to hold unto to commit this terrible Idolatry sin before God?

Please repent while you still have the opportunity

To point put ur contradiction and lies in order to continue in bashing want u clearly lack understanding on
Y r u contradicting urself.... U said images in church is idolatry, I said no its not...Solomon built images in the temple he built for God and God accepted it.......

After defeating that earlier false statement, u r now saying there was only one image...the number of images does that matter

Secondly u said God gave Solomon the instruction to make an image of a winged cherubim. Hmm!!!!!!....but I tot making image is idolatry.....so r u saying God is asking pple to be idolaters

felixomor:
And how long did the distribution continue?
Continue swimming my dear.

Besides can u tell us the name of the pastor that pockets church money?
And give your evidence

Oga u r just protecting ur investment....that's y u r seeing the truth but fighting tooth and nial to stay afloat even wen u not making sense

bencr7:
play which role! be like say u dey read back of bible or empty blble

Talk sensibly if u want my attention

felixomor:
Prove it
Or stop Telling lies


No its bicycles that travel to other countries
Yeah right


Thats your opinion
If you like twist it to mean anything you want.
A genuine person doenst have to twist lies all over the place.



But u can register hashtag


The gospel first. Thats what pple neeed
All other things are secondary

The missionaries who brought Christianity to u, did they have private jet, or with the private jets have these pastors done more work than the apostles

analize701:
You don't get it do? lolzzz. Your hastiness to respond is making you dizzy.
Who said Mary is not the mother of Jesus?

My point is, What was her prominence in the activities which followed the departure of her son?

She and her other Children who only believed in their senior brother as the messiah after he had died and the Apostles went into the Upper room. And then?

After they went to the Upper room, what did she do that makes you worship her?

Is there any hint that her other children worshipped her for birthing their senior brother or did the Apostles give her any special treatment as the mother of their saviour?

This is what i meant by, 'Not mentioned in Acts of Apostle.



I have indulged you long enough, Now, move along and enjoy your idolatry.

Bye.

I just want u to see ur hypocrisy and ignorance. First u said he called her woman, there by diminishing her prominence of mother. Then i show were the inspired word severally refer to her as mother of Jesus. Then u go on to agree..hypocrisy.

She and her other children who believe in the Messiah after he had died....pls were did u get this?

Pls were did the bible say she had other children....like I said I don't worship Mary, no catholic does. So sad u want to force it on me...devil is a lair!!!

Pls provide scriptural backing to those things u said.....scriptural backing o, not what u tink, because that's all u have been doing

analize701:
lol. Do i need to call you an idol worshipper before you know you are one? Guy, i was were you are now, and said the exact same thing you said to those who pointed my idolatry to me.

I was a Catholic too and defended my Mary worship, until Christ saved me. I pray you don't die in your Pride.

Lolzzz, Rhema is lost on you boy. If you knew scripture you'd ve known that that is the scripture which addresses this issue, but weytin concern you understanding scriptures?

If you have any reasoning abilities you should have asked yourself where the Holy Spirit goes when a believer falls into sin.

Do you even know what indwelling means? lolzzzzz.


You Proud that's why you hold so strongly to errors even when the Scripture is clearly opposed to what you stand for.

You asked me to prove my statement i did and it flew over your head because.

I made several points which you jumped over.

When someone believes and is born again, he/she receives the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, his/her spirit gets sealed with the Holy Spirit. Meaning the Holy Spirit dwells in them.

Now my question to you is, if they fall into sin, do they evict the Holy Spirit from them first before falling into sin? Does the Holy Spirit depart from them before they sin?

Or you are saying that when someone becomes born again the parson can not sin anymore?

Wait!!!!!!, You are a Catholic, so doesn't know these things.

Guy, We are like little kids to God. We saves us, we keep messing ourselves up in sin, but the Holy Spirit in us, helps us recover and get restored.

No parent throws away their child becos she pooed.

Pls, continue with your Mary worship and stop talking about Scriptures you know nothing about.

Bla bla bla. If during the times u claim u were a catholic, u felt u worshipped Mary den u were never a catholic, catholics do not worship Mary, I don't worship mary. If u did den its a pity. At least now I know y u r so ignorant, u have always been that way, this statement just proves it . I told this one to provide scripture to back his statement that the holy spirit still abides in us wen we sin. U cannot u r saying bla bla bla...Oga the spirit is holy and cannot cohabit with sin.

1 Sam 15:10-19: Then came the word of the LORD unto Samuel, saying, ‘I greatly regret that I have set up Saul to be king: for he has turned back from following me, and has not performed my commandments’. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the LORD all night.

King Saul was commanded by God kill and destroy all the Amalek and their property but Saul spared Agag, the best of sheep, oxen, fatlings and all that was good. This was disobedience. And it is for this reason the Spirit of God departed from King Saul.

Did the spirit leave Saul or not....Saul was anointed, so the Holy spirit was with Saul, but the spirit left him wen he sinned against God. Oga stop showing ur ignorance of scripture for all to u. U r disgracing urself.

I have been backing up my stands on scripture....so pls provide scripture that shows that the holy spirit remains in us wen we sin

bencr7:
but did d scripture say dey bow down to those image. Go and sit down...

Now u have shifted goal post.....he said making images is idolatry....do u agree now that making images doesn't necessarily mean idolatry??

If u agree den we can move to the issue of bowing down

analize701:
You didn't answer my questions. What was her role? I can't remember asking for the wish of a dead man.
When Jesus died, how prominent was Mary in the propagation of the Gospel of Christ?

You mean Jesus called the Mary you venerate Woman?'. Not Mother?
U wld have to.post a scripture which says Mary was the mother to the Apostles. How did she Mother them?

All of Acts of Apostles, i never saw Mary, pls show me.

My Mother only brought me into this world to do the will of God. She is a child of God the same way i am. She is not better or more important than i am before God.

You must justify your idolatry by all means. Continu.

Ignoramus
When they entered the city they went to the upper room where they were staying, Peter and John and James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Batholomew and Matthew, James son of Alphaeus, Simon the Zealot, and Judas son of James. All these devoted themselves with one accord to prayer, together with some women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and his brothers.... (there was a group of about 120 persons in the one place).
(Acts 1:13-15)

Someone said she was no were to be found the in Acts of the apostle.

As for the woman thing, y r u pple so short sighted.......

The bible constantly referred to Mary as the mother of Jesus

25 So the soldiers did this. But standing by the cross of Jesus were [b] his mother[\b], and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. When Jesus saw [b] his mother[\b], and the disciple whom he loved standing near, he said to his mother, "Woman, behold, your son!" Then he said to the disciple, "Behold, your mother!" And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home.

(John 19:25-27)

Now tink y would the bible, Gods inspired word refer to Mary as the mother of Jesus twice in JH 19 and Jesus would refuse to refer to her as his mother??....is he rude to his mother...no!!!!......symbolism oga is the ansa. You see this is were we catholics are better than pple like u. Now this use of woman is is used to refer to the woman used on genesis. As tru eve sin came into the world but tru Mary Jesus can!e into the world. We can see farther than pur noses, u guys can't.


By the way u said Mary was nowhere to be found in all of Acts of the apostle.....do u stop agree on that??

analize701:
hahahahahahahahahaha. You really make me laf.

Why not tell me Mary roles in the ministry of Jesus and of the Apostles?

The Bible is so silent as to Mary's achievements, even Mary Magdalene was more prominent than Your Mary, Why?

Why didn't the Bible mention her more? Was that the work of satan?/

U r even more ignorant than I thought......at the foot of the cross Jesus made a wish, u know how important and serious the wish of a dying man is. He said woman behold ur son, and son behold ur mother.

Mary played the role of Mother to the apostles and still plays that role today because Jesus is God and Gods word is life.

I dnt need to sch u on how important ur mother is to u, do I??

analize701:
That is the scripture boy. The Holy does not abandon us because we fall into sin. He helps our infirmities.

Mary whom you are fighting so vigorously to defend was not taken much by his son Jesus. She served and worshiped Him like every other person.


Mary's name was never heard again after the dead of her son, So, pls chill and Wait for Hellfire.

I know u r d one who will be at the side of Jesus calling d names of those who will go to hell fire...... Mary said in her magnificat....All generations will call me blessed. I am a part of the fulfilment of that prophesy. Satan is angry , because he doesn't want us to acknowledged d mighty deed of God for Mary. We catholics acknowledge it, as we honor Mary and cal her blessed, we glorify God and his awesome deed

analize701:
Wonders shall never end, an idol worshipping Catholic is calling me a heretic. hahahahahahahahaha.

So what happens to us when we sin, the Holy Spirit abandons us?

I gave you scripture which addresses believers who fall into sin, but it jumped over your head because if you allow it minister to you, your point will fall flat.

Mary was never a Pure vessel, she was as impure like everyone of us, that she was chosen as a vessel unto honour doesn't make her divine.

That's why i said, enjoy your idolatry because your mind is made up.

Now it's a matter of pride, but when you stand before God, your pride shall deflate.

Now he is not only a heretic, he has put himself in the place of God to Judge by calling me an idol worshipper. Iam not surprised even Jesus was called names, pple like him will have called Jesus a drunk, a glutton, a false teacher because he is no better than the pharisees who tink they know but they know nothing.

I asked him to show me were in the Bible it is said that the holy spirit lives in us wen we sin, he cannot, he quoted something that doesn't relate to his point, asking me to cool down and allow it to be ministered to me, Show me were u saw that the holy spirit lives in us wen we sin...oga!!!.....if u cannot, u r a ignorant fellow like I said bfre.

C who's talking about pride, I asked u to prove ur statement, u still have not been able to.......who's too proud to accept that there's nowhere in the bible that says the holy spirit still abides in us wen he sin.....accept u made that up

analize701:
Lolzzzzz. Poor guy.

Good News Translation 1 John 2:1-2

I am writing this to you, my children, so that you will not sin; [b]but if anyone does sin, we have someone who pleads with the Father on our behalf—Jesus Christ, the righteous one.

And Christ himself is the means by which our sins are forgiven, and not our sins only, but also the sins of everyone.

If you think the Holy Spirit leaves us when we fall into sin, then you need a lesson on the Holy Spirit.

It's like saying when your baby poos on you, you throw the child away.

There's a reason why we are called 'CHILDREN OF GOD'

Show me a scripture that backs what u have said...how does this scripture proof ur point??.u r showing something different..... I'm not the one who needs a lesson. I said if u cannot back it up den u r an ignorant fellow.....u still have a chance.pls show me

analize701:
Keep your idolatry on, when you realize it, it will be too late.

Wen faced with truth that cannot be refuted, this is what they resort to. All these pentecostal that will read one part of scripture and start preaching heresy because they tink they know wen they don't.

Pls come and show me were the bible said the holy spirit lives in us wen we commit fornication and do all other tins....it just shows u dnt even know the God u serve........."Holy"......does that word mean anything to u??

analize701:
Hahahahahahahaha. Bros, the Holy Spirit is God i hope you know? He dwells in us believers today yeah? Are we Pure and perfect? Don't we commit fornication, lie and exhibit pride?

Listen, no matter how you try to venerate Mary more than is necessary, It won't pass.

You Catholics shy away from Mary's role in Jesus' Ministry. Who was she?

What role did she play as recorded in the Bible?

Even Mary Magdalene became more prominent than her as she became the very first woman evangelist.

Why not impress on who and what Mary was after the dead of her son?

At what point did this veneration begin? because, Jesus never gave her any special treatment.

All these Christians way go dey form saydem know but them no know......pls show me were it is n d scripture that the Holy spirit lives in us wen we sin

I know light and darkness can never cohabit.....nah xo bible talk am....so pls show me were u got that idea den I'll know u know what u talking about, else I'll know u r an ignorant fellow, who knows nothing

desreek9:
Tithing is not a scam, as u quoted 2corin.9:7, you give willingly, no one is forcing anybody, whatever the men of God uses it for is their business, it's left for God to judge.

All those criticising men of God should take heed, God only knows those that are serving him in spirit and in truth. An example in the bible is when miriam was gossiping about moses to Aaron, she was punished for it, although wat she said was the truth.

Take heed people.

When did telling pple the truth bcom judging....#sheeple

hadow:
explain fully I thought God was the father

The Father is diff from the Son and the Holy spirut, but the three are one God.

hadow:
what do you mean by God

Is there another God u know??

hadow:
exactly

So do u now agree that Jesus is God

hadow:
I didn't say Christ isn't divine I said he is not the same as the father

Okay now we get to agree on that.....I didn't say Christ is the Father.....but he is God

hadow:
read 1 john 5:7 and the trinity are distinct personalities that co-exist

This proves the divinity of Christ now....what are u saying. Allow the spirit illuminate ur mind and teach u the time which u don't understand

Ochoiho:
Which Solomon are you talking about, do you even read the Bible talkless of understanding it? Solomon Introduced Israel to Idolatry thesame way Catholic introduce Idolatry into Christianity. ! King 11: 4-5 'For when Solomon was old, his wives turned his heart away after other gods; and his heart was not wholly devoted to the LORD his God, as the heart of David his father had been. 5For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Sidonians and after Milcom the detestable idol of the Ammonites. 6Solomon did what was evil in the sight of the LORD, and did not follow the LORD fully, as David his father had done'
Solomon's linage lost the throne except for Judah for sake of David the Man after God's Heart. If God could reject Solomon because of Idolatry(The same person who prayed and fire came down to consume the sacrifice during the dedication of the Temple) then who are you?

Catholic's idolatry is similar to that of African's. Both are built on the believe that the Dead are watching over the living and can hear and recieve thier prayers. The Devil is behind both. Please repent, give your life to Jesus and become born again, then you can make Heaven eventually, anything sort of that is a wastage of your time.

Ur understanding of scripture is low....u mentioned images and I said Solomon made images. U went on to talk bout Solomon going after Asthoreth, using that as a yardstick to attack the Catholic church. Now lemme shame u.

1st kings 6:23

Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
For the inner sanctuary he made a pair of cherubim out of olive wood, each ten cubits high.

New Living Translation
He made two cherubim of wild olive wood, each 15 feet tall, and placed them in the inner sanctuary.

English Standard Version
In the inner sanctuary he made two cherubim of olivewood, each ten cubits high.

New American Standard Bible
Also in the inner sanctuary he made two cherubim of olive wood, each ten cubits high.

King James Bible
And within the oracle he made two cherubims of olive tree, each ten cubits high.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
In the inner sanctuary he made two cherubim 15 feet high out of olive wood.

What's a cherubim, a winged angel...is this an image or not. He made an image in the sanctuary, d holiest place in the temple.


2 Chronicles 3:10
Then he made two sculptured cherubim in the room of the holy of holies and overlaid them with gold..

Also the doors of the temple had images

1kings 6:32


New Living Translation
These double doors were decorated with carvings of cherubim, palm trees, and open flowers. The doors, including the decorations of cherubim and palm trees, were overlaid with gold.

Now c what God said after he finished the temple with these images that this man says images are idolatry

1kings 9 1-3
When Solomon had finished building the temple of the LORD and the royal palace, and had achieved all he had desired to do,
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
the LORD appeared to him a second time, as he had appeared to him at Gibeon
New International Version
The LORD said to him: "I have heard the prayer and plea you have made before me; I have consecrated this temple, which you have built, by putting my Name there forever. My eyes and my heart will always be there.

We see here God approves of the temple with the images. Now tell me how does making images in Gods temple as Solomon did and going after another god relate??.....hope u can see ur ignorance

analize701:
It's not him as a person, he is only acting out according to his portfolio.
According to prophecy, the office of the Pontifex Maximus will be the office of the False Prophet to the Antichrist. Meaning, Whoever becomes the Pope then, will be in charge of religious affairs under the government of the Antichrist

Whoever will be the Pope at that time will galvanize other world's religions into one umbrella. But, before then, whoever occupies that office will pervert truths, plant lies, try to change the Biblical Principles which will allow other religions to worship god (the Antichrist) while still upholding their personal Creeds.

If we take a closer look at the Papacy, we will see all that happening from the inception of the Catholic Church.

I asked u question u failed to ansa....will God who is too holy and pure to behold sin and evil, take up residence in an unholy place??

NwaAmaikpe:



After 9years and all the water that must have gone under the bridge?
He still came back for her...
Is her kpekus made of gold?

I suspect the groom was charmed or he is just plain foolish.

In those 9 years he was making money, all the men in the neighborhood would have used his wife to play coupon.

Just shows ur level of thinking and maturity...low grade brain