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analize701:
Lolzzzzz. In trying to give Mary Divinity, you commit blunders. Jesus is not the Seed of Adam, if he were, he would have the original sin.

Abeh nah, stop this scriptures summersaults.

No one is giving Mary divinity, Mary is as human as every other human, the difference be her and u and i is because she is full of grace.

“FULL OF GRACE!” That is the term that the archangel Gabriel used when addressing Mary, in Luke 1:28. Notice that Gabriel does not call her by her name of Mary, but instead calls her “Full of Grace.” This new name for Mary indicates a change in her status in life, just like when Abram’s name was changed to Abraham, Sarai’s name was changed to Sarah, Jacob’s name was changed to Israel, and when Simon’s name was changed to Kephas (Rock), or Peter. The actual term in Greek (the original language that Luke was written in) is “kecharitomene,” which is the perfect passive participle of the Greek word “charitoo” (grace). In other words, kecharitomene means “You who have been graced.” And when you add the word “full” to kecharitomene, Gabriel is calling Mary by her new title of “You who have been filled with grace.” And as anyone knows, when you are full of anything, there is no room left over for anything else. Therefore, Mary, who was full of God’s grace, could not sin, or have the stain of original sin on her soul, because there was no room for any of that. Romans 6:14 says: “For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.” And while this is true for all of us sinners to a degree, it is fully true of Mary, who is not only under grace, but is FULL OF GRACE.

There is another example of scripture where the term “full of grace” is used, in Acts 6:8: And Stephen, full of grace and power, did great wonders and signs among the people.” But the Greek term for “full of grace” here is not “kecharitomene,” but rather, “pleres charitos.” “Pleres charitos” is a different tense of being filled with grace, and means “a temporary filling with grace at that point in time,” and does not equate to kechariomene,” which means “has been filled with grace.”.

No one gives Mary divinity but in saying she is without sin is simply acknowledging Gods saving power

analize701:
In a bit to give Mary divinity, you just missused the Scriptures.

It didn't say, a body you have prepared for us. He said 'a body you have prepared for ME'.

The question shd be, what does that mean? What body is Christ talking about? Why did He need a body to be prepared for Him?

Jesus was a Spirit, in all of the Old Testament, he was there (Altho he wasnt called Jesus), but when it was time for Him to come down here, when he needed to come into the realm of the flesh for an assignment, then YHWH prepared Him a body just like every other body, a house for the spirit.

The reason Jesus needed our kind of body is so that He can have blood to shed. Again, He needed to live on earth going through all the temptation man undergoes and overcomes, so that man won't accuse God of demanding from Man the impossible.

Mary didn't need a body to be prepared for her, because she had a body already.

So, pls when you quote Scriptures know that scriptures have rhema.

So you broke it by trying to make that scripture mean what you want.

Lemme ask u a simple question, the Bible made it clear that God is too pure to behold evil. Do u tink that same God, the holies of holies will take residence in a dirty vessel??

ichuka:
Comprehension is your problem.
Let me give you another chance to see
.luke1:47
and my spirit rejoices in God my SAVIOR!!
Her Savior?why would she need a SAVIOR if she holy.

The argument of the catholics is that God made her pure meaning he saved her at d point of her birth.....prepared her to be a vessel. So asking y she called God her saviour is pretty Dumb... because ultimately God saved her at her conception

hadow:
Jesus isn't God

Hahahaha....n u claim to be a christian.....u r not different from the Jews who do not believe n d divinity of Jesus

Ochoiho:
Jesus left Mary to John and to the apostles.. For her to be their Mother. (cf john 19:27, acts 1:14, Rev 12:1, 17)...
We are all members of the Body of Christ and we glory and suffer together...

Jesus, while dying, left the care of his Mother to the Apostle, The role of proving material care for Mary ends with the death of the Apostle and Mary herself.
Making the Image of Mary or any dead Saint and 'honouring' them is Idolatry. God hates this with passion. The reason Israel Suffered and lost their identity and their land for close to 2,000 years is as a result of this singular Sin. Exodus 20:4'Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth'
Note the word MAKE as above
No true Catholic has a place in the Kingdom of God

SOLOMON MADE IMAGES IN THE TEMPLE AND GOD WAS PLEASED ND BLESSED HIM. u pple lack understanding of the scripture

candelahria:
Jesus got his DNA from Mary?It's stated clearly that Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit. Human intermingling of chromosomes has nothing to do with this. Luke 1:35.

The bible also describes Jesus as full man and full God... So what are u saying??

Jesse01:
Jesus was not convince thorough sex so dat makes him perfect.

What about the vessel he was conceived in......if that vessel was tainted wouldn't he be too??

hadow:
why do u think Jesus chose to be baptised he was born of a woman and that alone has tainted him.

So God was sinful at some point, wen u try to defend ur useless theology, u pple make lots of blunder

fellowman:
why did she need to offer an atonement according to Old Testament Law (Lev. 12:1-8 ) after giving birth to Jesus ? According to the Old Testament, it was only the mother who needed purifying after a birth because of the issue of blood. She was ritually unclean. If she had a male child, the days of her period of uncleanness was seven days, then the child was circumcised, then she remained unclean for 33 days (v. 4)--for a total of 40 days. If she bore a female child, her period of uncleanness would be 14 days plus 66 days for a total of 80 days. Notice in Leviticus 12:2 it says if she bears a male child, she shall be unclean for seven days. If Mary was sinless, how could she also be unclean?

Luke 2 vs 21-24 says


a And when the days for their purification according to the law of Moses were completed, they brought Him up to Jerusalem to present Him to the Lord

23 (as it is written in the Law of the Lord, “ a EVERY firstborn MALE THAT OPENS THE WOMB SHALL BE CALLED HOLY TO THE LORD”),

24 and to offer a sacrifice according to what was said in the Law of the Lord, “ a A PAIR OF TURTLEDOVES OR TWO YOUNG PIGEONS.”

MARY WAS A SINNER

Why did Jesus have to undergo baptism??

Jesse01:
did Jesus have human Father?

It is said that the ark of the covenant was so holy that if u r unclean if u go close to it, u drop dead, even David at a point was afraid to go close to d ark. So do u tink that d holies of holies would really dwell in a dirty n sinful place

Ladyhippolyta88:
I never said i believe it all these are facts not fictions. Why i brought the Calendar issue was because it all began in Rome during constantine era.It is just an healthy argument and nothing more.All i said are on the internet whether the Christmas celebrations were to bring in new converts are actually what some scholars have argued.Anyways nice learning from you.But if you read about all these objectively you would see that some of them had some pagan backgrounds whether it is true or not is left for you to judge.Like i said earlier non is my personal opinion,thank you.

U r welcome.....

Ladyhippolyta88:
The introduction of Julian Calendar had eight days.Later on the popularity of the eight day weeks diminished.In Rome constantine the Roman emperor made the seven day week official in AD 321.It is widely believed that the days of the week were named after pagan gods,just like months of the year in the Gregorian calendar. It is believed that constantine changed the Christian day of worship from Saturday to Sunday in honour of the sun god (the cult of sol invictus).Also the day of Christmas 25th of December to honour the sun god.That is why Santa Claus the elves and others that are associated with Christmas are believed to have pagan mythology and why some churches do not celebrate christmas.That was part of the changes constant brought into Christianity and also why some critics accuse the Roman catholic church of links to paganism and not true Christianity. These are the things i researched from the internet and none is my personal opinion.

So u saw someone's opinion n u believe it because u saw it on d internet. All u have said doesn't prove mixing Christianity with paganism. In Rome den dey worshipped the sun God, is it not natural that since the people were used to celebrating what ever feast they used to celebrate like Christmas , the best way to stop dem from celebrating that feast is to replace it with Christmas, the birth of Christ and thru that medium, pple would be converted and get to know more about Christ?.....exactly what constantine did n whoa!!!!...it worked.

About the calendar, I don't know what calendar has got to do with Christianity, so now that u use the Gregorian calendar, r u now an idol worshipper

What ever is agreed on earth is agreed in heaven, constantine didn't make these changes alone, he must have done it with the church. Human begins will always criticize and say nonsense, I have not seen NY paganism here......

Ladyhippolyta88:
very true no one is to judge.According to some scholars constantine actually became a Christian on his deathbed and a lot of scholars also believed his reason for hosting the council of nicea was actually to stop the confusing doctrines a lot of bishops had then and merge a lot of practices with some pagan beliefs to create a state religion. I was wrong to have said he wasn't a true Christian i just went with the idea of some scholars, nor vex.

I still have a problem with this pagan belief merging with Christianity, what do u mean by merging pagan belief with Christianity, if I may ask......

Ladyhippolyta88:
Constantine was not a true Christian he was still a pagan have you read about sol invictus how he changed the Christian day of worship to Sunday and the Christmas decision in honour of the sun God.abeg go and read about constantine he was never a true Christian he killed his wife and son.And actually brought up the council of nicea to decide what and what should be in the bible.Read about arianism or the arian heresy in relation to the council of nicea.

I am not to judge who is a true Christian or not, he made Christianity a state religion in rome n europe at large.so he paid his dues n played a part n d Christianity u freely practice today

Mhizrohzz:
Haha haha... I like u
Had to say true cux sometimes its hard to find words wen u hear stuffs like dis. I kuku chill wit true ooo

Lolzzz

Mhizrohzz:
True

My dear do not mind these ignorant pple who call themselves pastors.they read one verse of the bible and think they have an opinion. Be good, be charitable, try to please God by ur life....there's no holy man or woman. Be charotable , show love to others. Even the bible says charity covers a multitude of sin

Anybody that has a copy of the bible and can read and write now claims to be a pastor or a prophet.... These pentecostal pastors are very poor in their understanding of scripture, I have never heard nyone teach sound theology.

Wen Jesus judged n d Bible, on basis did he separate the sheep from the goat??.....was it based on who fornicated or who stole ?

My brother it was purely based o charity. Look at d story of Lazarus and d rich man, Christ didn't say the man committed any sin o, what took him to hell....it was not what he did but rather what he didn't do.........the tins he ignored. I am a proud catholic.

musicwriter:
Do you need a rockect scientist to tell you I' am talking about emperor Contastine?

Oga keep kwayet and hide ur head in shame, if u didn't know Constantine was not a pope, but the first roman emperor to accept Jesus Christ. He ended the era of christian persecution in Rome, which later spread to other parts of Europe.

This should set u thinking instead of spreading false news u will answer to wen u die, ignorance is not an excuse. Go and seek for knowledge on this time, read for urself with am open mind to know and u will be more enlightened. Reading that nonsense u wrote up der, shows me ur lvl of enlightenment

musicwriter:
Europe had nothing to do with Chriistianity until about 312 AD when Pope Consstantine converted to Christianity. This is solid 312 years after Yashua/Yehoshua has died. Before this time, they were killing anybody who believed Yashua/Yehoshua who by the way was black. The more they killed, the more people continued to believe Yashua/Yehoshua.

When the population in their colonies refused to stop believing in Yashua/Yehoshua, it struck them they could actually use religion to control the masses. So, they invented Jesus Christ to replace the original protagonist who they didn't like. The Jesus Christ of today is Cesare Borgia the son of Pope Alexander VI. Christians ever since has been worshipping a human being- Cesare Borgia.

First of all there's no one in history like pope Constantine in d catholic church.........Constantine was an emperor not a pope...go and read history again and stop spreading this manufactured nonsense

hibeekay007:
i don't even know what to say to you. your level of stupidity and ignorance is beyond heaven and earth.

Ur as useless as d p in psychology......brainwashed ode!!!!...keep shouting rabadabraba and paying tithes yl disregarding the things that matters most, d soul

argob44:
speaking in tongues is a gift...just like not everyone has the gift of working in miracles, the gift of healings, not everyone too have the gift of speaking in tongues. 1 Corinthians 14:4-5 "He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

5. "I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interprets, that the church may receive edifying." This is the reason your pastors don't speak in tongues if they do, you won't understand and so u won't be edified or be blessed by it, u may even get up and leave unless there is an interpreter. do u understand? read the scripture again

Do u even know what u r saying....from all yu have said....u r shooting urself n d foot. Read 1cor 13-17...to see tht even praying n tongue ms also needs to be interpreted

jdluv:
when people try to understand things ofthe spirit with the physical intelligence i pity them.....

Pentecostal....this is their line

Tolubae1:
I don't blame the likes of nairalanders here like freeze who are spiritually blind to d truth, dey don't read d Bible nd so dey knw nothing of it unless Sumbody cums nd says tis nd that, they follow in d blind argument, u all commenting rubbish shud beta trend ur parts well enuf if not freeze who is out to win souls for his master d devil will freely drag u among, read ur bible and understand d word of God beta instead of saying rubbish here, good riddance to bad rubbish

In ur mind u have made sense abi, Nigerians and sentiment...freeze brot out scripture to back his claim. The next tin u will say is even d devil quoted scripture to tempt Jesus.

Jesus countered hi! With same scripture. If all u have to counter him, is "he is a devil, he wants to drag pple with his master". Then there's truth in his argument. Its only pple who have been defeated that resort to emotions and sentiment

1StopRudeness:
Anyways, Chapt 14 verse 20 was where Paul said they should stop behaving immature like children...
So those that said it out loud in the day of pentecost too means fake?? anyways...we don't have to make this an argument just pointing out what is in the bible to each other, there's a reason why the bible is in books, chapters and verses. We are all Christian..if u wanna join freeze to condemn all those who speak in tongues as fake, go ahead..its a free world....
This is just the start, some are still gonna open thread saying it's not even necessary to speak in tongues.

U r quoting just one verse , y not go further n shoot urseld in the foot . verse 21 says the lord will speak to his people with other tongues and try the lips of foreigners and yet they will not listen.... How can God speak to his pple in a lang they do not understand and yet accuse them of not listening.

Secondly how can tongues be a sign for unbelievers if not understood by them??

Pls ansa dese questions and stop defending the indefensible

I always say it Pentecostalism has lost it. All they do is preach prosperity. Freeze has exposed their pastors and GOs. He has show that they lack biblical knowledge. All they do is money and how to make more money. They are now worshipping money and their congregation have been brainwashed by it.

God has sent freeze to tell this pple the truth, and he is doing that. Pple call him satan, even Jesus was called Satan, so what's new....we know who d real Satan is

1StopRudeness:
U are picking bible verses out of context...

It's like ur dad gave u the chance to go out and u came back 2am in the morning...so ur dad punishes you that you must never leave the the house for a whole week......dad isn't around the house now starts to burn and u wanna leave...ur brother now comes and say daddy said u can never leave the house...

Please oga: go and read the the entire book of corinthians and if u can't just take a short breeze tru chapt 12 and 14....
The corinth church leaders after receiving the gift of the spirit started to behave sort of immature by coming to church speaking in tongues for hours expecting to edify the church that way.
Paul only came to correct that there was no need to engage the tongues for the entire church edification if the person with gift of interpreting isn't on around.
He clearly added verse 15 of chap14 which is what usually goes on in most churches...
Me I've not seen any church where a pastor strolls in speaks or pray in tongue for two hours and say "sermon is over" without an interpreter...which is what Paul was saying isn't needed..verse 6 o chap 14

So pple can speak nonsense all they like..God will judge...but just because freeze can't speak or cant interpret doesn't give him right to call all speaking in tongues fake in Nigeria. That's like already putting urself in the position of a judge

Who made him a standard to judge all tongues spoken as fake in Nigeria?

The guy is already steering towards a part of pride and judge, makin himself a teacher that he's not...if he wants to correct he should go ahead and correct....

What is doing isn't correction it is judging, calling people names and creating discord is the body of christ which is one of the abominations God hate the most

U r just defending the indefensible, bible says if one should speak in tongues then there must be an interpreter, what's d essense of speaking in tongues saying shamboribo...wen no one is der to interprete

Where did Paul say the pole of corithn were acting immaturedly or their pastor stroked in speaking for two hours....u just made that up to defend the indefensible......if u want to say ur shamboribobo and u r saying it aloud, say it quietly bw u and God ...if u r edifying itself den y r u saying it aloud., disturbing the next person with nonsense .....saying it aloud tells one thing..... Fakeeeeeeeeeee

Freeze is 100% correct........

argob44:
My dear, don't believe this unlearned man. Study for yourself. He jumped verse 2 and went down where he got himself confused, speaking in tongues and praying in tongues is a different thing, what we see in churches is praying in tongues and not speaking in tongues. Verse 2 says "For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries."
verse 15 "What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also."

speaking in tongues need an interpreter, but praying in the spirit which is praying in tongues does not...but verse 2 says u are speaking mysteries no man understand u but God..... and verse 15 says, do not do one but, do both... ' I will pray in the spirit and I will pray in my understanding also"...take not this was Paul talking. he said 'I will", meaning you can choose to pray in tongues anytime, u mustn't pray to an extent first. call me on 08077609539, let me tell u more or send my num to Daddy Freeze let me teach him God's word.

How come no one speaks in tongues, all they do is pray in tongues?......so all my life no one, no pastor has ever spoken in tongues, all they do is pray n tongues because no interpreter is needed....hope u r seeing the scam in this

1StopRudeness:
That's not totally true Sir, if u read further the bible records that they accused the disciples of being drunk, if they clearly understood the new tongues the disciples spoke in they wouldn't tag them as drunk.

Peter in acts 2verse 14 had to start explaining this was the act of the holy spirit and that they weren't drunk...there wouldn't have been any need for peter's explanation if the people who heard them speak in new tongues could comprehend

Icorinth 14 v 2 clearly explains this, speaking in tongues is speaking to God and not men. Therefore it is possible for pple not to understand if they had no gift of interpretation.
Paul only clear the air, because when the gift came on the disciple some pastors and teacher amongst them just came to church and spoke in tongues for several hours in display and joy of their new found spiritual gift,
so he said unless there is an interpreter there's no need to speak in tongues for the purpose of edifying the church(edifying is like preaching or declaring good tidings on the congregation for hours, so imagine the pastor enter church preaching or declaring in tongues for 2hrs and say sermon closed) better still as a pastor, Prophesy instead that way the whole church will hear you and be edified or built up.

Paul clearly says of there's no interpreter then the person should shut up!!!!.....cos what he is saying makes no
sense to others. He can speak in tongues but quietly bw him and God...not shouting romboskamborobo skibaramban shokpoto. That is d point here

arrestdarrester:
Can this Daddy Freeze make the sacrifices some of these men of God made for years before they got their breakthrough? Can he?

Calling them thieves is not scriptural. I pleaded with those I know to listen to DF and at least understand him. I thought after all God has corrected a prophet using a donkey in the past so what is wrong if He uses DF.

But now I think Daddy Freeze has now taken it too far. The bible allows you to correct an elder and not to rebuke him, talk less of calling him a thief.

I cannot persuade anyone to listen to himself being verbally assaulted. Daddy Freeze has taken this too far and might soon walk alone.

What if that pastor or elder is actually a thief, and God wants pple to know

UzomaFC:
Wise man God bless U,
as U insult me so will ppl insult U all the rest of life n if U re father like me, so ll children insult U n ur generations shall be called insult so that next time U ll knw how to talk to ppl cos not all persons are ordinary.

Manufactured nonsense!!!!!...............u r less than ordinary, u have no substance.....now u r an hindrance to my success, an enemy, but not like ur pastors, I refuse to curse u...rather I bless u and ask that God forgive you

Ola514:
who cares about what baba freeze and eldee thinks!

any one wishing me and my family evil!
whom ever have said , that me and my family will not see 2018,
be it anyone,
will diiieeeee before the year runs out.

What bout those u have wished evil, or those u have hindered their progress knowingly or unknowingly...

Low grade brain everywhere, defending the indefensible......someone is even putting up a defence that Jesus flogged pple so they r his enemies. Jesus prayed for those who killed him. These Pentecostal churches have lost it, they have no understanding of the bible ....