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Maamin:
The Holy Spirit is God's divine power

Peacefullove:
You keep telling various lies you cannot defend, if there is Satan on this thread .. who else would it be if not Mr Wrong Statement ?

I never said that, oh it was a wrong statement I can't laugh abeg. Am still waiting for your proof, abi its lie as usual ?

lovingJehovah:
It is interesting to know that you are all agog on spiritual matters. Your questions are brilliant and well-thought-out. I do appreciate that.
Concerning your question, I will like to mention the 4 dominant qualities of Jehovah.
1. Power
2. Justice
3. Wisdom
4. Love
With these attributes, Jehovah has proven that the depth of his knowledge is unsearchable Romans 11:33. Therefore, he chooses to use any of his qualities to carry out his marvelous works. Do not forget that the holy spirit is his ACTIVE FORCE.
The name of God, Jehovah simply means "he causes to become". He can do anything to achieve his purpose. He is not an idol that he cannot speak or act (Psalm 135:15 The idols of the nations are silver and gold, made by human hands. 16 They have mouths, but cannot speak, eyes, but cannot see).

Jehovah chose Jesus as his master worker (1 Peter 1:20). He is a God who likes to engage everyone righteous in his beautiful activities. Think about how he gave Adam the assignment to name all the animals. And he does not do a thing without first, telling about it. What a priceless God!
Talking about telling humans of his WORD before carrying out his actions, the Bible told us outrightly in Hebrews 1:1-2 Long ago God spoke to our forefathers by means of the prophets on many occasions and in many ways. 2 Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son...
The Bible clearly states that he used to speak to humans directly, but then lastly he used his son whom the Bible refers to as the Word. Jehovah is not a dumb God, he can speak for himself if he wants to (You can also compare Jesus illustration in Matthew 21:36-37), but he CHOSE Jesus to be his exact representation. That is partly why Jesus says that Jehovah is in him.

A noteworthy reference to your question is the voice with which he proclaimed the WORD recorded in Luke 9:35 when Jesus was baptized on earth? (Luke 9:35 Then a voice came out of the cloud, saying: “This is my Son, the one who has been chosen. Listen to him).
Remeber that Jesus(word) was on earth at the time when the word came out of heaven.
So, Jehovah can do as he pleases and no one can question him.

Luke 1:35 In answer the angel said to her: “Holy spirit will come upon you, and power of the Most High will overshadow you. And for that reason the one who is born will be called holy, God’s Son
When Jesus said that he watched him and learned from him, you may ask, with what word did he carry out those acts while Jesus was watching learning by his side?

John 5:30 I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me
What word did Jesus hear? And, from who?

John 12:49 For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken.
What word was the command?
You may compare the command to Psalm 33:9 For he spoke, and it came to be; he commanded, and it stood firm.

Brother, Jehovah is the Almighty and beside him, there is no other God. Isaiah 45:5.

Peacefullove:


At Bold .

1. Daniel was worshipped ? Yes or No

2. Did Daniel Rebuke the King for worshipping him ? Yes or no

cc: Saintmark88

bloodofthelamb:
WELDONE! SOLDIER OF CHRIST.

Odianose13:
Like seriously? What impunity! In sane countries, that statement alone can increase his counts in court. Anyway, he must have had a friendly chat with the custom boss too. If Hameed Ali could do it and go free, why wont it be a tolerable attitude for bosses?

Sunnycliff:
Just like Ahmadu Ali the custom boss.

Indeed this is impunity and arrogance

Maamin:
How?

Time to answer my questions

Is Yahweh same person as Jesus?
Is Yahweh same person in place of the holy spirit?
If the holy spirit is God can you back up your claim with the scripture?
Lastly is Yahweh and Jesus Co-equal?

After you supply the answers we will Now deduce if we have One God as you have said

hardasan:
1peter 2vs 9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Every one of us in the Christiandom are priests. The pastors receive tithes because they represent the lévites of Judaism. Pastoral work is full time. Fake Pastor or genuine Pastor, they work full time. So just as the lévites are given land and tithes, the pastors are given tithes and offerings.

hardasan:
I can't open your eyes of understanding. Neither will I continue to receive your insults and name calling. I'm here to debate with matured and cultured minds not to receive insults. If you don't understand the stuff written in the past 2 pages, nothing I say now will make a difference. I have answered all your questions in my past posts. If you cant read them, please do as you deem fit.

Maamin:
So how many Gods do we have now?

Maamin:
You will have to answer this question first for us to know if the Holy Spirit will be added as part of your 3 in 1 God.

Is Holy Spirit a God?

Maamin:
Two Gods with one that remain a God and father over the other God.


Are you satisfied now?

Hahahahahaha....two Gods...hahahahahahhaha....so what of the Holy Spirit??

Peacefullove:
Who ask you all this ?

See I cannot laugh abeg.



' Some did not receive the holyspirit because they were baptised only I'm the name Jesus. They had to rebaptize them in the name of the Father , of the Son and of the Holy Spirit' said by Saintmark88


Show me the proof for this !!! na wetin I ask you be that Mr Wrong statement

Peacefullove:
I saw What you trickly did when quoting the verse u are not smart Bro.


you have not finished your assignment, QUOTE Daniel 2:46 from King James for me please!

hardasan:
The OT is not there to tell us cock and bull stories or to make the bible more voluminous. The OT is not just the law. The OT is an important part of Christianity.
Christianity is Judaism plus Grace. Does grace nullify the law? No.
The bible said: "Shall we now continue in sin that grace may abound ? God forbid "
Grace came to help us to be holy, grace didn't wipe away the law. What is sin / iniquity ? Disobedience to the law. Jesus said: Go and sin no more. Not go and live as you wish, my grace is there for you.

Jesus and the apostles quoted the OT when preaching. Jesus would say: that it may be fulfilled which was written

Since the OT didn't matter, why did he care about the prophecies in it.
Moses law says an eye for an eye and promotes self righteousness. Jesus says go and sin no more, forgive and the righteousness of God because self righteousness alone can't enter heaven.
The early Christians were Jews who first believed that Jesus is the son of God and began to live according to his teachings of love, holy spirit, singleness of mind, modesty, humility etc. People said: these people are Christ-like and so the word Christian was born.

Some laws can't be practiced and I'll tell u why;
1. Slavery doesn't exist anymore
2. Nobody keeps cows and the like at home anymore
3. Fashion has changed from what it used to be.
4. The structure of the church has changed.
5. The mode of worship has changed in ways like using the blood/name of Jesus for forgiveness of sins, healing, casting out demons, praying to God, etc
6. Ability to pray from anywhere not just from the temple.
7. Freedom to eat what was once forbidden.
8. Ability to stand in the presence of God 24/7. Before, menstruation defiled women and anyone who touches her, sex defiled, dirty clothes defiled, not being full blooded jew from your 3rd or 5th ancestral line (from your parents upwards) defiled, sicknesses defiled, deformity defiled, miscarriage defiled, wrong hairstyle defiled etc but grace and the blood of Jesus has changed all that.
9. Blood sacrifice is now forbidden so we don't keep the feast of the passover, but we keep the Lord's supper.
10. Compulsory observation of holy days and celibacy has been stopped.

If I remember any more, I'll add. All these laws were stopped by Jesus and (or) the apostles in the new testament.

So we don't practice them. Anything else that they didn't condemn is lawful and biblical.

Maamin:
How did I speak from both sides of my mouth?

Is Jesus God?
Yes!

Is Jesus the same person as Yahweh?
No!

Is Jesus and Yahweh Co-equal?
No!

Is Yahweh greater than Jesus the Son?
Yes!

How many true God do we have?
One true God(the Father)

Is God one?
Yes!

With all the above Q&As, how have I been speaking from both sides of my mouth?
You keep tying yourself up and contradicting yourself with 3 in 1 doctrine that you cant even make sense out of and was not taught by Christ and his disciples as well. Reasons why your heart is harden and cannot accept this truth you encountered on this thread today.

I never said I was a JW You are the one calling people all sort of names and tagging and labelling them JW here. So deal with it

Shalom Aleikhem!

Peacefullove:
Hahahahaha, It's all right .

So far, you have blow Two Lies into the air while discussing with me, till today you never proof them!!! more is coming I guess , Mr Wrong statement

Peacefullove:
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you are not making any sense, why is Daniel worshipped ? he is God, do u agree ?

Peacefullove:
am still waiting for you to bring your reference for your statement that some people are baptized again because they are not baptized in the name of Father, son , holy spirit .


abi na Lie ?

Peacefullove:
But Bible said Daniel was worshipped ?

It also said Jesus disciples are worshipped ?

abeg, do u agree ?

if you need evidence, I go supply una . not everybody be like you wey dey run mouth making wrong statements up and down

achorladey:
please relate this to your Matthew 28:9
......Now Joseph was the governor of the land, the person who sold grain to all its
people. So when Joseph’s brothers arrived,
they bowed down to him with their faces to
the ground. As soon as Joseph saw his brothers, he recognized them, but he
pretended to be a stranger and spoke
harshly to them. “Where do you come
from?” he asked.
Does bowing down to Joseph made him God automatically, or that he fail to say to his brothers do not bow before me made him a God to be worshipped.
That Jesus was given authority did not make him Jehovah automatically.

hardasan:
The 10 commandements does not apply ?
The book of psalms is irrelevant ?
The wisdom of proverbs is old school ?
The prophecies of Daniel are outdated ?
The blessings of Abraham don't apply to you ?

Since the old testament is useless according to you, why not rip. It out of ur bible or better still, buy the bible that has only the new testament.
You can't claim Abraham's blessings and say you aren't under Judaism.
Your argument is flawed.

hardasan:
The entire old testament is Judaism, Christ was born into Judaism, Christ practiced Judaism. Christ never condemned Judaism but lessened the burden of the law by bringing grace.
If you don't believe the OT, you aren't a christian and I shouldn't be debating with you on this.

Maamin:
Your answer is not very far from those verses as well

Matt 28:18 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Who gave him?

Philipians 2:9-11 "9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father

In the end all is still to the glory of God the Father(Yahweh). As the Son is honoured by the Father the same way the Father is honoured through the son

1 Cor 15:28...finally, God the father remains All in all and over all.

Don't give yourself hypertension over this thread ok?

Jesus is Lord

Shalom aleikhem!

Maamin:
I use KJV, is it no longer valid in your denomination?


I can see that you have carefully selected this Bible versions to support your claims. Christ is God no dispute about that, is he equal as Yahweh? No!. Cause none of these versions said Christ claimed equality in all essence with God Almighty

Here are these two versions of Phil 2:6
Christ never claimed equality at anytime.

Philippians 2:6 (NIV) Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;

Philippians 2:6 (KJV) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

achorladey:
good what? If Jesus was given the authority to be worshipped why did he say we should worship Jehovah? Must he be given authority to achieve such status. Those that worship him in Matthew 14:33 do they see him as God or son of God. Is either you are for the trurh or you continually call Jesus a liar