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because he has no ansa to my question he has resulted to insults...Satan u r a lair, u have never won, u will.never win, u r defeated!!....ansa oga why did people worship him...... Ur reply is more reason for me to.ask you y den did people worship him

achorladey:
na compare and contrast remain for
you..........hahahahhahaahahahaha
You ve quickly forgotten Jesus told satan only
God(Jehovah) we should worship. Matthew 4:8.
Satan as it is understand this far better than you.
Continue to fool yourself with compare and contrast. Please heed the word "only"exclusive
devotion. Can you imagine Jesus using the word
"only". That is enough for you......na saintmark88
we dey call you oooooo.

Good.....so.now my question .....so why did Jesus not rebuke the people who worshipped him matt 14:33 and 28:9.....that's the question

If it's only God that should be worshipped .......why did people worshipping Jesus and he didn't rebuke it....

achorladey:
na compare and contrast remain for you..........

Ansa the question eeeee

saintmark88:
Matt 14:33
Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”

2 Peter 1:1 . . . our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

John 20:28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

John 10:30 I and the Father are one.

Colossians 2:9 For in him the whole fulness of deity dwells bodily,

Matt 28:9
Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him.

JH 5:23
[b]that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.[\b]

This one has to be highlighted...y does Jesus demand the same honor due to Jehova??...isn't Jesus his creation......

In Hebrews 1:6, God the Father also says that all the angels should worship God the Son. Worship can only be rightly applied to God, as we know from Exodus 34:14 and Deuteronomy 8:19. Yet Jesus accepted worship of Himself on many occasions.

we find that Jesus is worshiped in every way that the Bible specifically describes worship of God the Father, with all the same words used (see: Rev 4:9-11, 5:13; 7:11-12, and Rom 11:33).

Jesus is omnipotent (possesses all power):

Philippians 3:20-21 . . . the Lord Jesus Christ, [21] who will change our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power which enables him even to subject all things to himself.

He's omniscient (all-knowing):

Colossians 2:2-3 . . . Christ, [3] in whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

He's omnipresent (present everywhere):

Ephesians 1:22-23 the church, [23] which is his body, the fulness of him who fills all in all. (cf. Col 3:11)

Another astonishing passage along these lines is one where Jesus speaks about historical events described as being done by God the Father in the Old Testament. He casually applies them to Himself (what might be called “the Divine 'I'”):

Matthew 23: 34, 37 Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from town to town, . . . [37] O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, killing the prophets and stoning those who are sent to you! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not!

Many attributes that are said to belong only to “God” are applied to Jesus in Scripture. God the Father said, “besides me there is no savior” (Is 43:11; cf. 1 Tim 4:10). Yet Jesus is called the “savior” of mankind in passages like Luke 2:11 and many others.

God the Father stated, “To me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear” (Is 45:23). The same exact description is also applied to Jesus (Phil 2:10-11).

The Bible teaches that “God” is judge (1 Sam 2:10; Ps 50:6; Ecc 12:14; many others). But so is Jesus (Jn 5:22, 27; 9:39; Acts 10:42; 2 Tim 4:1). Therefore He is God.

God the Father sits on His throne in heaven (1 Ki 22:19; Ps 11:4; 47:. Jesus is on the same throne, too (Rev 7:17; 22:1, 3).

At every turn in the Bible, only one conclusion is possible, to make sense of all these statements, taken together as a whole: Jesus is God the Son. He is the eternal, all-powerful, all-loving, self-existent Creator God.


Satan is a lair!!!!!!

Pls can maami, lovinJehova, achorldey pls provide ansa as to why Jesus is been worshipped. Worship is for God alone. Wen john worship d angel, d angel rebuked him saying I'm a servant just like u, wen Paul and Barnabas were worshipped at lystra they rebuked the people saying am just a servant like u.

The commandment says u shall worship no other God. So why is Jesus not rebuking those who worshipped him??......how can a creature of God be worshipped and he accepts it??....pls provide ansas else.....ur faith is from the pit of hell

achorladey:
your dedeuction up there ........ My question below..........I(God the Father) am alpha and omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last..........I(God the Son) am alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last............ I(God the Holy spirit) am alpha and omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Oga saintmark88 the trinitarian.......which one make I choose? That is your Rev 22:13 staring at you.......

You see my people of the future, he has stylishly avoided the ansa, which is to give a direct ansa.....oga dnt make deductions.....ansa ur own...lemme take u up on ur ANSA's...I have posted so many proves of Jesus's divinity. There is no difference be JWs and Muslims....u r d same ......ansa d question....JWs are Muslims In sheep's clothing

Matt 14:33
Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”

2 Peter 1:1 . . . our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

John 20:28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

John 10:30 I and the Father are one.

Colossians 2:9 For in him the whole fulness of deity dwells bodily,

Matt 28:9
Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him.

JH 5:23
[b]that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.[\b]

This one has to be highlighted...y does Jesus demand the same honor due to Jehova??...isn't Jesus his creation......

In Hebrews 1:6, God the Father also says that all the angels should worship God the Son. Worship can only be rightly applied to God, as we know from Exodus 34:14 and Deuteronomy 8:19. Yet Jesus accepted worship of Himself on many occasions.

we find that Jesus is worshiped in every way that the Bible specifically describes worship of God the Father, with all the same words used (see: Rev 4:9-11, 5:13; 7:11-12, and Rom 11:33).

Jesus is omnipotent (possesses all power):

Philippians 3:20-21 . . . the Lord Jesus Christ, [21] who will change our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power which enables him even to subject all things to himself.

He's omniscient (all-knowing):

Colossians 2:2-3 . . . Christ, [3] in whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

He's omnipresent (present everywhere):

Ephesians 1:22-23 the church, [23] which is his body, the fulness of him who fills all in all. (cf. Col 3:11)

Another astonishing passage along these lines is one where Jesus speaks about historical events described as being done by God the Father in the Old Testament. He casually applies them to Himself (what might be called “the Divine 'I'”):

Matthew 23: 34, 37 Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from town to town, . . . [37] O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, killing the prophets and stoning those who are sent to you! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not!

Many attributes that are said to belong only to “God” are applied to Jesus in Scripture. God the Father said, “besides me there is no savior” (Is 43:11; cf. 1 Tim 4:10). Yet Jesus is called the “savior” of mankind in passages like Luke 2:11 and many others.

God the Father stated, “To me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear” (Is 45:23). The same exact description is also applied to Jesus (Phil 2:10-11).

The Bible teaches that “God” is judge (1 Sam 2:10; Ps 50:6; Ecc 12:14; many others). But so is Jesus (Jn 5:22, 27; 9:39; Acts 10:42; 2 Tim 4:1). Therefore He is God.

God the Father sits on His throne in heaven (1 Ki 22:19; Ps 11:4; 47:. Jesus is on the same throne, too (Rev 7:17; 22:1, 3).

At every turn in the Bible, only one conclusion is possible, to make sense of all these statements, taken together as a whole: Jesus is God the Son. He is the eternal, all-powerful, all-loving, self-existent Creator God.


Satan is a lair!!!!!!

achorladey:
i laugh in swahili........... The Jesus you call your personal lord and saviour is under qusetion here and you cannot even decipher that is what the thread is all about. My faith keh? Sorrrrrrrry oooooooo

Ansa the question.....who created the thread... Why are all.the Jws here avoiding d question, even the pme who created it has run away on seeing this question.

This question has proven that Jesus is God and Satan has run away ....he defeated u 2000 years ago, he has defeated u again

achorladey:
wetin you go talk before. Your friend even dey querry me sey I dey answer question with question. None of your friends man up to answer the question you asked on our behalf. Perhaps they are aware of the fallacy contained in your question as pointed out bt questions we raised as well.

All this one u dey talk no follow, ansa d question here....so people u can see, if u would ever read this, mayb in 100 years time, the JW man cannot ansa....

Jesus has defeated Satan again

Rev 22:12.....defend ur faith......so everybody who willread this thread in future, years to come....pls note for history sake they cannot ansa this question.

What this means is tht JW is fake church, an occultic gathering of people, headed by false teachers called elders. As u can see I hve exposed them on their lies.

Pls never never worship or join dem, except u wanna go to hell, if u r a member, pls leave n join a bible believing church for ur eternity.

achorladey:
go and bring my answer on that thread. Let us see!!! Hahahahahahahaah man up to do so.

Why will.I do that, am I that jobless.... Its u whose faith is been bashed not me...so the onus is on u to defend ur faith anytime ur called up to do so.

Well u can't, since ur elders have taught u heresy all ur life...nd rev 22:12/has just revealed that to u.........

Hahahahhja.......occultic people..........

achorladey:
quick to make reference to a thread you eventually abandoned. Hahahahahahaahahahaa. Peacefullove, jman05 raised questions concerning this verse. Did you answer? I raised questions concerning this same conversation? You said am answering qusetion with question. Hahahahahahahaaha.

There was nothing to ansa......u all failed to ansa d question, instead u resulted to quoting long bible verses wen I requested for only just a name

achorladey:
christ by mouth follower, always seeking medal to suit his own innermost desire

Oga forget all this one ur saying
..I'm.only here to point out ur false
Believes.

Rev 22:12.....answer am now....who made.that statement

I have defeated this one now, he knows....he is my customer, I told him to beg for forgiveness for teaching this heresy.

Others maami the man who speaks from two sides of the mouth, lovinJehova, and others come now, come and ansa...if u cannot ansa den ur JW is a failed cult. It proves ur teachings r wrong

achorladey:
glory and medal seeking christ by mouth follower. Even the christ you are raising and trying to raise to status ALMIGHTY GOD did not please himself. When you ask question dont direct it to receive the glory in your own self. That is not what the thread is meant for.

Hahahaha....this one I dealt a serious blow in that other thread!!!.....hope u remember waht I did to u....oya ansa now

Rev 22:12.....who made that statement

joshnes:
they probably have had their eyes opened now, or are probably frantically searching for more points.

Hahaha....let dem ansa the question...who made the statement in Rev 22:12-13

Do I instill fear in all Jws, some came to my house that day, wen I fired dem, dey said they will get back to me, wen dey came next they went to bring their scholar, kai!!.....wen I finished their scholar, he stopped greeting me on the road wen he sees me

Were are they.... Pls Rev 22:12-13 is the ansa to all these ur false teachings

All these JWs have been avoiding me, they know I have dem in d corner they dnt want to go....hahahaha.....wen u have been fed false doctrine, u begin to shy away from some straight questions, because u know answering it, will put a crack on all u have believed all along

joshnes:
Maamin when you want to study the bible, you don't use only one version. So if you will, let me take you on a trip through Philippians 2:6. "Christ was truly God...." (CEV). "...although He existed in the form and unchanging essence of God [as One with Him, possessing the fullness of all the divine attributes - the entire nature of deity]......" (AMP). "Although He was in the form of God and equal with God...." (GWT) "For He who had always been God by nature....." (PHILLIPS). "Who though He was God....." (TLB). "...He had equal status with God...." (MSG). "Who being in very nature God...." (NIV). "Though He was God....." (NLT). Have you seen the equality now? Try and read other translations eh, it will broaden your view (unless you don't believe in other translations). And also ask the Holy Spirit for help.

Did u notice they have a.avoided me....lemme c if kefman will be bold enough to challenge me

kefman:
Is Jesus Christ God?
Answer: No
Reason: I Cor: 8:6 " there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, though whom all things are...,"

Was Jesus Created?
Answer: Yes
Reason: Col. 1:15 "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation...," Yes, because of all the things that Jehoah God created, Jesus came first.That is why the scripture refers to Jesus as the only begotten son of God (John 3:16)

Is John 1:1 Right that Jesus is God?
Answer: No in the sense of being God Almighty, Yes in the sense of being a God
Please note "In the beginning was the word... and the word was God" It is only KJV that say " the word was God"
Reason: Other translations put it more correctly " and the word was a god" , "and the word was a logos (or divine being), etc. Note also that Jehovah God does not have a beginning, so John 1:1 could not have referred to Him because the bible calls Him " king of eternity " (Rev. 15:3, Psm. 90:2)

So Dear Friends, Jesus is not the Almighty God but the son of God, he is also referred to as a Mighty God, as Isaiah 9:6 rightly put it, our hope of everlasting life depends on our putting Faith in him and in obeying God's commandments. I Jon. 5:3

This is what ur heretic elders taught u Abi, now lemme prove u wrong with just two verses.

Rev22 :12-13......pls read and paste it here.....den you will ansa just one question that will shake the foundation of all your heretic teachers have taught u

hardasan:
Tithes are different from burnt offerings.
The new testament never recorded tithes nor burnt offerings. But the bible never commanded us not to pay. It's like the story of the adulterous woman in the new testament versus the ten commandments. Jesus saved her from the law. But the same Jesus said that he's not come to condemn the law but to fulfill it. The things that needed to be condemned were condemned such as the people buying and selling in the church and the offering of sacrifices.

Ur argument is floored, we r not practicing Judaism so the laws of Moses doesn't apply to us. Dnt tell me the bible didn't condemn tithe so thts ur yardstick for practicing.

We follow the new testament.... Pls show me were in the new testament we were asked to tithe

joshnes:
Maamin when you want to study the bible, you don't use only one version. So if you will, let me take you on a trip through Philippians 2:6. "Christ was truly God...." (CEV). "...although He existed in the form and unchanging essence of God [as One with Him, possessing the fullness of all the divine attributes - the entire nature of deity]......" (AMP). "Although He was in the form of God and equal with God...." (GWT) "For He who had always been God by nature....." (PHILLIPS). "Who though He was God....." (TLB). "...He had equal status with God...." (MSG). "Who being in very nature God...." (NIV). "Though He was God....." (NLT). Have you seen the equality now? Try and read other translations eh, it will broaden your view (unless you don't believe in other translations). And also ask the Holy Spirit for help.

Maami has refused to ansa me on Rev 22:12....he wants to stick to his ansa of God to Jesus to Angel to John...but then I asked him, verse 12 says I am coming soon to reward all men....so who is to come soon??....Jehovah or Jesus??

Maamin:
I already answered that make your deduction from the below persons involved in the conversation.

Pls dnt try to be smart here, the person who spoke is Jesus..in 12 he said, I will be coming soon and will reward all men...we all know this statement can be accredited to the person Jesus.

The same person who spoke in verse 12, went further to say in 13..I'm d Alpha and Omega, d First n the Last. I had to refer to 12 so that u cannot refute this fact that this was Jesus's own statement, referring to himself as the Alpha and Omega, First and Last.

This statement doesn't only quash the JWs believe that Jesus is a god but also quashed that heresy and insult that Jesus was created. A created being cannot lat claim to be the Alpha and the Omega and The First and Last.

In as much as u try to say this revelation was given by the Father, to d Son....Rev 22:12, clearly shows Christ speak

Mr lovinJehova refused to answer my question...because he doesn't want to see the truth, he knows answering my question will box him into a very tight corner

Maamin:
Verse 22 or chapter 22...be more specific.

And what direct statement of who? God, Jesus, Angel or John? Pick one

Rev 22:12 I mean...who made the statement??

Maamin:
God made this Revelation of Jesus Christ through an Angel and to John in Rev 22:12-13

You can see that in verse 6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done."

And in verse 16
" I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

You will get a clearer understanding if you also read Rev. 1:1-8

Revelation From
God > Jesus > an Angel > John

All these one is long talk, who spoke n verse 22??.....God made the Rev to Angel I agree... But that's not the ansa to d q...who spoke??

In verse 22, its a direct statement of someone...who is it....read the verse very well and tell me who spoke....pls be sincere??

Rev 22: 12 clearly shows its Jesus speaking, where he says I'm coming soon, now in 13,/he says I am the alpha and the omega, the first and the last....this title was used by God (Jehova)...why will Christ claim this title ??

Nairalanders pls help me.beg this man to ansa my question. The ansa to this question might just shake the foundations of this mans faith.

Rev 22:12-13.......who made the statement....Jesus or Jehovah.

Wen he ansas first den he can now quote all the scriptures n d world to support his ansa.

That's how to have a headway, not quote scriptures left, right n center n yet no ansa

lovingJehovah:
As it stands, I opt out of this form of conversation with you. It always leads to nowhere as you are never satisfied. The making of rules is out of order. You do not give me a command as to how to answer your question. I am not in your classroom. Like I said, I am not here to show intellectual prowess, therefore, if I cannot quote the scriptures there is no conversation.

Hahaha even Satan can quote scripture to deceive, wen pple want to deceive just like Satan they start quoting scripture...the reason I said no quoting scripture yet was or is to ensure we do not deviate from the truth u dnt want to agree to by ansering my question. Okay u can quote scripture but ansa my question

Who made the statement in Rev 22.12-13

lovingJehovah:
Peace, my brother!
The point I wanted to clarify is that the words are not mine. They are from God's word the Bible that is why I said that I wasn't selling it. We are only reasoning from the Bible and I do not want to sound intellectual as to overshadow the real message of God hence the "I know nothing without the Bible" comment.
If there Is God the son isn't it plausible that there could be God the father who begot the son
I brought forward your previous statement. Well, If I get you correctly, I do not believe in "God the son" doctrine. I was lost with that statement. We, Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe in God the son, because the Bible does not teach that. We believe in the "son of God".

Rev 22:12
"Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done.

Rev 22:13
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."

Pls who made the statement in 12 and d preceding verse 13??.....like I said bfre ansa with just a name

Nairalanders pls help me beg this man to ansa this q

lovingJehovah:
Peace, my brother!
The point I wanted to clarify is that the words are not mine. They are from God's word the Bible that is why I said that I wasn't selling it. We are only reasoning from the Bible and I do not want to sound intellectual as to overshadow the real message of God hence the "I know nothing without the Bible" comment.
If there Is God the son isn't it plausible that there could be God the father who begot the son
I brought forward your previous statement. Well, If I get you correctly, I do not believe in "God the son" doctrine. I was lost with that statement. We, Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe in God the son, because the Bible does not teach that. We believe in the "son of God".

Oga you have been talking, even went further to call Jesus a creation. Which I feel is insulting to the person of our Lord Jesus Christ.

I will ask u some few questions.....pls ansa with just a name....no quoting scriptures...just ansa with a name

Maamin:
Yes! do you have any contrary opinion?

Bring it forth.

Nope bro,.I have a problem with someone who tinks otherwise...tot u did

Maamin:
What made me quote you the first time was the wrong use of the phrase "God the son" instead of "Son of God" and I belief you have come to understand the difference between the two and their implication.

God is a title yes of course. Anyone can assume the title but we all know that there is but one true God. Due. 6:4 just one, not 3

Apart from this I do not argue that Jesus is not God.

But also Almighty and mighty God has been used for God the father and Christ the Son.

This does not put them both on equal table of authority. God will always be the father and God to Jesus Christ the son. (God remains overall)

So is Jesus God??