ValeeLove: You guys are really not going to condemn AAA & WWE for showcasing those things on TV? You know when Cody said that Brock returning is good because as a result of their deal with ESPN WWE is moving to a sports based product; I knew it was marketing talk at best. And Triplemania proved that. Wrestling moved from the circus to the sport, back to the circus.
LMAO. Lucha na another crazy world on him own. Mexican wrestling and Triple A in particular has always had such silly characters. They see it as part of their traditions. I saw some of those contestants far back on Lucha Underground.
ValeeLove: so this is what I mean when I say he's not or barely a gimmick: 1. Tailored suit: How many people wear that? It's virtually everywhere if the wearer can afford. It's clothing, not particular to anyone and not special. How many times does he talk about his special attire? So much for a gimmick he barely emphasizes.
2. Cocky, a*shole: Traits of a heel. Nothing special. No gimmick there.
3. EC3 doppelganger: EC3 is a heel. That's it. However he expressed his heel nature different from others is based on his real life character and knowledge at minimum. No gimmick. You say MJF masks his character with class and appearance; there's not evidence on ground to back this. I know he did something of sort with Punk and his face turn, but that's more of a story than a gimmick if you ask me.
Now what is a gimmick in wrestling? A gimmick is a character that has absolutely nothing to do with wrestling. That means it has absolutely nothing to do with sport combat, ring psychology and heel & face dynamics. It's just an exclusive character wrestlers create. Like Seth's Messiah gimmick, he's fashionista gimmick, he's choir master gimmick, etc. MJF on the other hand hasn't really done something to fully quantify as a gimmick in recent times. Back in the day he did the presidential gimmick. But today he's more himself just expressed in a heelish persona and in some traits he tends to exaggerate which I call bad work ethic. That's what I see.
Hate to break it to you bud, such exaggerated traits na still gimmick and you fell for it. It's not until someone does a comedic or ojuju routine that makes it a gimmick. Old school Heels had fans throwing things and threatening em. They did it so convincingly that people thought it was their real personality. It wasn't until kayfabe broke that fans found out such antics weren't true. I don't need to tell you this much, you sef dey listen to Cornette podcast. Has Maxwell done any of such tasteless antics real life? No? Then Na gimmick you dey see so.
Back on SmackDown to feud with Solo and his bloodline again🙄. They're also teasing another Tiffany vs Nia Jax match again. i'm tired of her stale ass reign abeg. Giulia continues to do nothing.
He's doing the tailored-suit wearing young, cocky rich asshole prick thing EC3 did. The only difference is MJF uses that to mask the insecurities of his character. Na the Gimmick be that. Before you tell me that Max is being himself. How come we never heard any negative stories about him in the companies he worked for? No bad attitude stories like young Randy and Carlito.
No Real life politicking or backstabbing. I know Triple H politicked his way to the top.
How affluent is his family before he started wrestling? I know Del Rio comes from wealthy family.
Ric Flair is himself. He's known for living an expensive lifestyle that results in bankruptcy all too often. He's been married and divorced so many times. That's his playboy lifestyle.
LordAdam16: Only + about Smoke is the cinematography.
Someone needs to arrest the showrunners for that crime of a finale.
-Lord
Apple no dey miss. Apple no dey miss. This Apple fall from tree, loss inside bush. The show had so many unlikeable characters, coupled an unsatisfactory finale that felt flat or rather 'fat'. The culprit was revealed to be fat.
ValeeLove: no it's not a gimmick, it's bad work ethic. He may see himself as a gimmick, but what makes people like him is him work in the ring and in character. Burberry belt, diamond ring - are you talking about style and preferences? That's not enough time quantify a gimmick. You want to see a gimmick? Look at Wyatt Six.
They're all gimmicks bro,Playing characters on TV. The fact you like one doesn't separate that fact. What you see on TV isn't how that person is backstage ,behind the scenes except maybe Logan Paul(That one scam people with crypto project real life). MJF isn't different from what EC3 did in TNA early in his career.
CoolUsername: They are not counter programming with another company lol. Do they really think that WWE is strong arming CW or A&E to change their own programming for anther company's TV show.
The voice of TNA but the hand of WWE. What's the point of this counter booking thing they've been doing for a while now? AEW diehards go still watch them show, it's TNA that will suffer.
@valeelove how can a manager like Stokely Hathaway take two back to back spears from Copeland, yet still have ring awareness to use fire extinguisher moments later Moves in wrestling don't matter anymore.
CoolUsername: Kross needs to learn how to wrestle matches that aren't boring. He's slow, lacks intensity, and lacks power in the ring.
On the mic, he can gather momentum but once he gets in the ring, everyone checks out. He has somehow managed to work snoozefests with the likes of Drew McIntyre, Rey Mysterio, AJ Styles, and Sami Zayn.
If Austin Theory had half the charisma that Kross has, he would've been pushed to the moon.
ValeeLove: I've seen some backstage segments as well as some posts online of him doing his gimmick. It's just a bit flat (as all gimmicks). But, when he made some noise in that studio and spoke authentically, everyone rallied around him. Begs the question, why don't you keep being that authentic character rather than acting these mastermind-manipulator gimmicks that goes no where; that's just my question.
He criticised the company in that interview. Rightly so but how many wrestlers have enough leeway to do that on the show?
I also remember when the Grizzled Young Veterans cut a passioned promo after moving on from NXT about no more shenanigans. Where them dey now? Booking failed them.
ValeeLove: I'm surprised. People still think it's a work. Kross also needs to drop the gimmicks. This isn't 1990.
Kross was called smoke and mirrors. A special entrance with a valet, whose excitement went down as soon as the ring bell rung.
Man later adopted the Devil on the shoulder thing which endeared fans to him. Heels like Triple H, Jake the snake, MJF employ pyschology against their opponents. Issue was that such promos were relegated to backstage /ad breaks only.He became a background character on the show.
Also, What good is pyschological warfare when you lose all the time? Gimmick or no gimmick a guy with such physique /MMA background losing frequently ruins his credibility. It's the same issue with guys like Wardlow, Archer and Brian Cage.
I've also seen folks criticise his ring work. They even spawned a rumor Kross doesn't take back bumps. Do they want everyone doing suicide dives and springboard moves?
CoolUsername: DAE the guy that has been champ for 80% of his main roster run berried?
Which proper maineventers he beat? Goldberg wey Na retirement? Gable, Sami, Jey were midcarders on the come up, Priest was elevated by that fued. Sheamus and Finn are used to put others over. Cm Punk was the first proper main event guy he worked with.