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ValeeLove:
It's a win, but WWE made more in their gate. Plus FD is 2 companies (minus CMLL).

You watched the PPV ? How was it?

🤦🤦🤦

https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/1mymgbs/rampage_jacksons_son_raja_jackson_works_a_work/
When deathjitsu becomes real.

What is the endgame?

pu7pl3:
Jesus😭

I may not like certain things about AEW but they're aren't fleecing fans.

ValeeLove:
by the way, this is what you get when you do storylines in wrestling. Enjoy.

Threatening muder/arson on live TV production where there are dozens of security personnel.
He's being himself, he's real🤡

ValeeLove:
You think they don't have a point clowning on wrestling? It's even more in the other parts of the world. You can't suspend your disbelief when logic isn't put in place.
Those things you highlighted that they consume is called fiction. And at the beginning of every fictional story, it's logic is established so nothing goes out of place in it. Wrestling doesn't use fiction. It uses sport. In fact there is no space for any genre to be applied because it's not a full blown movie as half of it's programming is real sport. The elements of entertainment are the presentation of the combatants as good guys or bad guys. So yes, they reserve the right to clown on wrestling because it's promoters have made it a joke for years and it's not funny.

So what real sport allows you to lie down while I jump on you from top rope? Won't you scamper away? Where's the logic there?
You allowed the 'serious people' clown on you for watching what you love. Instead of simply realising not everyone can like the same thing.

You felt inferior, turned against people who enjoyed same thing as you because you want to please the outsiders🤦.

ValeeLove:
I don't know why we're still having this conversation. Ospreay has psychology, it just happens to be there are few times he fails to present that, and that's available across all board of wrestling. I'm not disputing that. That's why we're here. That's why we critique wrestling. But when you come out and say wrestlers fighting with hand puppets is wrestling then you might as well give Ospreay the benefit of doubt. Because I'm pretty sure he has the exact same defense you give to the hallowed mexican wrestlers and fans - it's a bloody style, deal with it. Cased closed.

I never called Mr. Iguana the best wrestler in the world. I said that Mexico has always had such comedy themed wrestlers in their history.
They always have their place on the undercard there.
Is Ospreay a comedic wrestler? Why are you comparing apples to Oranges?
I can't critic his lack of psychology because I find Iguana and midget wrestlers funny?
I pointed out NJPW that presents itself as a sport based organisation has Taguchi and Toru Yano doing comedy things.
You research nothing, know nothing, don't even want to know anything but give armchair opinions all day.
Na who I dey waste my time with be this?

ValeeLove:
tor we leave it like that. Anyone who wrestles trash wrestles a style and that it's. Whether no selling or not, psychology or not; at the end IT'S A STYLE. No problems. We'll just accept the styles and give wrestling no standard. I only wonder what you guys will be critiquing here everyday.

Ospreay has psychology and is one of the best if not the best on the planet. Use your internet.

And yes, she has everything to do with this because it shows hypocrisy on your end.

Please what Psychology is there in kicking out of all the moves?!
Na you call Ospreay the best wrestler in the world and that's what we are discussing here.
Bro went for the Oscutter as a finisher, to the Stormbreaker later. He then used the hidden blade.
Now that one no dey work again.
Oga dey use the hidden blade for back of head.
He's relegated all his previous finishers to signature moves thereby weakening their effect.
What new finisher will he bring next?
I watched the sequence of moves he and Swerve were doing with the Young Bucks at All In.
It felt less than a wrestling match and more like a shonen battle fest.
Na wetin you wan show people make dem take wrestling serious be that?

When I watch his matches I know it's always going to be long affair sprinkled, multiple finisher kickouts and no selling. Even when the crowd has reached their crescendo thinking a move has ended the match?kickout!
That nonsense has moved over from NJPW to NXT, AEW, WWE. Everyone is chasing fictional stars from an old man and wrestling to please him🤦


I never claimed Jade to be the best wrestler and at no point did I bring her into this discussion.
Na Will Ospreay be the subject of discourse but you keep seeing Jade wherever you go.
She's not relevant to our subject of discourse on Will Ospreay lack of psychology.

ValeeLove:
yes, it went from being a joke to being serious. I mean what do we do on this thread everyday? What are our discussions centered around? Is it not to make sure pro-wrestling doesn't return to it's circus routes and becomes a serious globally respected sports entertainment venture. Look at us. Look at this group. Look at how wrestling is perceived in this part of the world? It is recognised as a joke, and it's viewers unserious; I know this firsthand.
So all you mentioned above is noting that pro-wrestling was once a gimmick centered or acknowledged programming and my point is that it is moving away from that. That is why those 3 guys you mentioned no longer identify with those character elements. They are all normal human beings today whenever they appear in the ring, including Taker. Taker advised Aleister Black to tone down on the spookiness to relate with the times, Taker.
Gimmicks are on their way out and it's a good thing. The only ones doing them now are midcarders and jobbers. I'm not crazy after all. Storylines are next.

So because certain folks clowned on you as unserious for liking wrestling. You want it to suit the MMA mould so those people will take it serious?

Wrestling demands suspension of make belief in order to enjoy it. I'm not even talking about spooky and comedy characters.
The moves wrestlers do require cooperation which normies will call out any day.
No sane person will ever believe a full grown man will lie down for another man to jump on him.
Such doesn't ever happen real life.

Do real life fights typically follow a sequence of Shine, Heat, Comeback and Finisher in that order?
How do you want an average person to ever take that serious?
Its even worse now that kayfabe is dead and everyone can access the Internet to know that matches are predetermined.

No be same people look down on anime, comics and video games for years as being childish? Folks wey been call you childish for watching superhero cartoon, shelved money to watch the movie in cinema years later.
The comic book/cartoon lover never changed, it was society that changed to love comic adaptations.

UFC that is a real sport had a merger and formed a parent company with a fake sport.
Wrestling has its fans and will continue to do so.
F%¢k the Normies!

ValeeLove:
he definitely wasn't suffering. He could afford a Burberry suit. His emphasis wasn't on being rich. He was rude, disrespectful and every other thing considered to be a heel. That point is still to shallow to believe that he's character now is a gimmick. He's a normal person in my eyes.

If he's not any of those things in real life Na acting simple and short.
Oga dey find excuse, you first say Na bad habits, later you change mouth Na exaggeration.

He's a dude playing a dude at the end of the day.
Funny enough, Na you dey call for end of storylines in wrestling but Na still you love of MJF.
A character who depends much on storyline.

ValeeLove:
You want to comment on psychology and no selling. Same you who's defending that trash AAA is putting out. Same You who doesn't even have the guts to critique Jade Cargill. Gimme a break.

It's trash to you but not their fans who've watched and supported them for years.
I don't sitdown in my veranda and claim to know what's best for other folks halfway around the world without research.
You think the Mexican fans are same as the Japanese fans? Know your audience.

You claim someone is the best wrestler but that person lacks ring psychology. It means he's deficient in that area. How can he be the best?
I don't need AEW and Dave Meltzer to present Ospreay as the best thing since sliced bread. I watched his matches before AEW in NJPW and British indies.
The guy is yet to shake off those no selling habits.

We've gone back and forth on the Jade issue. Yes, She has her weaknesses but my issue is your fixation and nitpicking. Like how you brought her into this discussion that has nothing to do with her.

ValeeLove:
what? You're not the only one with preference? There are many Mexicans that watch WWE. You guys have had it your way for years. Maybe it's time give them their own 'style' for once. I'm sure you'd love it regardless.

The more you talk, the more I'm convinced you know nothing and you continue to prove me right.
Triple A has had their wacky characters for years long before WWE bought them.
Mexican Wrestling has had their gimmicks long before WWE.
You even made a statement that you don't care about Mexico's history. Nobody go take you serious on any wrestling forum if you talk this one.

ValeeLove:
Ospreay has ring psychology. He's literally one of if not the best wrestler on the planet.

Flip flops, No selling and kicking out of every move like an anime fight doesn't make you best wrestler. It makes him a choreographer more than a wrestler.

ValeeLove:
these points are quite weak. At least you recognise that nicknames exist. That settles it. Some of these characters have nicknames and little personas they love to have fun with and it's entirety still isn't a gimmick. It's a wrestler playing a character who has a nickname and personas he loves to have fun with. For instance MJF's Burberriness isn't a gimmick, it's just a fun persona that the character likes to have. If it was a gimmick, it would have been the center of his world and the wrestlers would believe that the persona draws him money in real life. Ridiculous.
So MJF doesn't wear Burberry in real life, or he isn't rich in real life? Must he do bad things before you accept that he's just playing a character and not a gimmick?

Was Max rich in real life prior to being in AEW?
Because a character isn't doing comedy or supernatural doesn't mean it's not a gimmick.
He's simply playing a part and you fell in love with that. Just like a viewer falls in love with an actor.
The difference is that you can't see it's make believe.

pu7pl3:
J'evon Evans vs Oba Femi is going to feed families. I'm sat

And where does Joe Hendry keep popping out from🤦🏿‍♂️😂

https://youtube.com/shorts/QzB2_PkRll0?si=BRFVwHVIHr0iw9bB

One of the Darkstate members is not like the others, One of them does not belong🙄

It's really obvious that long promos aren't part of Jordynne Grace strengths.
Why do they persist she fit into the WWE mould of long written promos? Accentuate the Strengths, hide the weakness as Cornette says.
How was Blake Monroe able to get a contract for no physicality until the PPV?
I don't get Lainey Reid. She made her debut undermining Jacy Jayne, now she's trying to cozy up to her.

Jaumo:
Some mix everything together with the given percentage/formula. example: 7-8 kg rice, 2 kg chicken meal, 1 kg fish meal, 1/2 kg wheat offal (mainly for healthy digestion) .

cook till the rice is soft, then add red oil while the rice is still hot.


but I normally cook the rice half done before adding chicken meal or/with fish meal because they are rendered product already processed/cooked.

note: it's richer than whole chicken.

free formula given 😉

What chicken meal is this?

wetin happen?

pu7pl3:
Mission Impossible: the final reckoning - 8/10

If you're a fan of this franchise this was a really good way to say good-bye.

I wonder why this movie didn't gross more

They go come for you ooooo

ValeeLove:
this is the last time I'm going to say it. I'm all for character, not gimmick. The wrestling characters are between heels and faces. The gimmicks however have nothing to do with wrestling characters. They are externally gotten and that's it.
Darby is unique in the sense that his gimmick is who he is in real life, only that he brings it to wrestling. Like Brit Baker.
Ospreay has no gimmick. The fact that according to you likes Assassin's Creed and incorporates it to his displays simply means he's doing it for fun, not as a part of his character. I don't see him talking about Assassin's creed all day. Wrestlers wear costumes for their entrances. It's the same logic. No gimmick. Israel Adesanya is the last style bender; how does that help him win a match though? All fun. Nothing serious.

Ospeay Na gimmick maybe that's why he lacks match psychology. I kick outta everything and win like a video game.
Isreal Adesanya boasts about being the style bender, a nickname.
UFC and Wrestling no be the same. UFC fighters aren't playing characters on TV. There's no element of make belief in UFC.

Until I hear Maxwell doing the things he professes on TV. Na character, him dey play. He's a gimmick.
It's why certain folks who claim to be gangsta rappers get found out. You can't claim to rap about a lifestyle you haven't lived.

ValeeLove:
no. It's because we grew up watching something serious, at least for the most part. People like Dusty, Ric, Bret, Michaels; their work ethic make us take it serious. It's why guys like Doink were never main eventers. Again, since you like it, I hope you see it in Mania's main event next year.

Lol... So it's a me preference now?

@valeelove, He defeated Moxley in 2019.

ValeeLove:
this has nothing to do with New Japan and I don't care about Mexico's history. This is not wrestling. Simple. Imagine if this is what we grew up watching over Cena, Orton and Austin. Imagine the next Wrestlemania littered with circus characters from top to bottom. Haba.

Bcoz we grew up on American wrestling. Even those American wrestling sef get some undercard guys wey dey do comedy.
Even NJPW has Toru Yano.

ReacherSaidNoth:
Mission Impossible: The Final Reckoning

The likely end (I hope not) of one the best action franchises. I thought Dead Reckoning was incredible and really looked forward to this one.

While it mostly stuck the landing, endings are not easy to execute, it lacked a bit in antagonism. Gabriel was not as menacing here, maybe losing the Entity's backing had something to do with it.

Still, impossible missions is what we're here for, the submarine sequence was just as spectacular as the trains in the last movie. There was adequate tension and intrigue through out and I would very much love to see more of this.

8/10

We only praise chinko and non Hollywood movies here.
You dn buy market

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ValeeLove:
it's not wrestling.👎🏾

My guy who discovered a Chris Jericho Vs. OMEGA NJPW 2018 match suddenly thinks he's moses who found the burning bush. Anyone who dares have a different opinion is on what his ideal wrestling sport is sprouts heresy.
What counts as wrestling in Japan varies with Mexico.
Same Event, different audience.
Please look up Mexican wrestling history before you continue to embarrass yourself.
Mexico has the oldest wrestling promotion till date.
We may not like their silly gimmicks but please don't say it's not wrestling because it doesn't align with your vision. It's more than a sport there, it's tradition.

CoolUsername:
Ironically enough, at the time, that was Brock's gimmick. His gimmick was that he was a legit ass-kicker in a world of sports entertainers. His character, however, evolved from someone who just destroyed everybody to the grizzled veteran who put Cody Rhodes through hell to prepare him for the Roman Reigns rematch.

Logan Paul's real-life douchebaggery has to do with him doing anything for money and clout. He just leans into it to elevate his wrestling gimmick. His wrestling gimmick is that he is an outsider who thinks he's better than veterans and will brag about it constantly.

I can buy Lesnar as an ass kicker. He's got the amateur wrestling and UFC to back it up.

I can buy Logan as a disrespectful piece of shit human being because of his Japanese suicide video and crypto scam. He's also legit rich af

I can buy Kyle Fletcher and Takeshita, both whom claim to be the best by simply beating their opponents 1,2,3 in the ring.
They have the physical size to do it and there's no outlandish personality with them.

No be person wey dey try to convince me say he be devil on screen, meanwhile he never hurt fly real life. You're just a dude playing a dude.
That's gimmick.

[quote author=CoolUsername post=136509819][/quote]What happens to the title shot Stephanie Vaquer has for Paris?

ValeeLove:
I don't see your point. Are you saying MJF must be a heel in real life? A heel is a character in wrestling. He's doing his job. But he's not showcasing a character that is away from the wrestling structure. Simple. Look at Ospreay for instance. Arguably the best wrestler today - what's his gimmick? Brock nko? Roman? Gimmicks are already leaving which is a good thing. The next thing we eliminate are storylines and the world will be a better place.

My guy you still fail to see you fell in love with a gimmick. Wrestling structure or not all na still character he dey play. It's make believe.
If the Maxwell in real life isn't what he's showing on screen, then he's acting simple and short.
It's the same for Dominik Mysterio.
No be until you do comedy or spooky antics before it's a gimmick.

Look at Darby Allin, that reckless Daredevil you see on screen is who he is real life. He's always doing dangerous stuff.

Brock has no gimmick, he dominated UFC. He's not playing a character.

Tribal Chief /head of table was a gimmick.

Will Ospreay Nickname is the aerial assassin.
It comes from Assassins Creed Game series.
the assassins creed entrance and costume he has Na wetin? Man's finisher is literally named the hidden blade.
Except say Ospreay go ninja school train real life, himself Na gimmick.

If you're looking for heels without Gimmick.
Takeshita doesn't have a gimmick.
Kyle Fletcher doesn't have one.
Logan Paul is a douchebag real life.