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ValeeLove:
the one I post up na free basic? This one na free basic?👇
Baba your gaslighting won't work. Stop deflecting. Come back next year, and tell us what you've realized.

I no dey work for gasplant. I dn run leave you 😂

ValeeLove:
you know what, back and forth with you no worth am. You no hear when I talk say I get time. After one year, we'll hear your critique.

I go deactive my account runaway by next year

Where the gasburn victim? yo Valee still dey here abi you dey write your promo? Everytime Na always you them dey gaslight for here.
He's probably somewhere looking for a Jade botch clip with his freebasics Facebook browsing data or e go come for night respond with mtn night plan.

ValeeLove:
I don't sleep on Nairaland I have other obligations. Sometimes it takes me days to respond. You're only getting this because I have the time. Again, gaslighting doesn't work here.

na so.. but you dey here everyday dey shout Jade matter then banter how many pages today .

ValeeLove:
your evidence is shallow. I proved that to you. Knowledge impacter, but you can't acknowledge a rotten wrestler.

it took you an hour to come up with that line. I dn show you road to cagematch. You're welcome

ValeeLove:
gaslighting doesn't work here. Answer questions directed at you.

What have I not done? I argued, brought evidence to support my view and still impacted some knowledge on you .

@ValeeLove you should even be thanking me for teaching you to argue with Cagematch as a source. I always look forward to helping out my fellow wrestling fans🤗

Great Khali and Jinder Mahal were world champs yet she has better cagematch rating than em.
No be me give her 4.9 na same people wey comment vote am

ValeeLove:
You just jumped everything I said about the rating and completely ignored the comments directed at her individual performances. The 4.9 ratings is an aggregation of not just her performance, but the performance of everyone else that were in matches with her. She benefitted from their presence in that match. If you truly want to know her performance value, look at the comments and I posted them, don't skip them again.

Aggregate or not did her opponents wrestle those matches alone? When Dave gives Ospreay those 5 stars does bruv wrestle himself? The summation of aggregate and comments still rank her better than Marina who's been doing it longer at the end of the day.

Please wrestling gods make this come to pass🙏

ValeeLove:
bro, no one else will be given this sort of leeway by you. There are lots of women out there that need and deserve the opportunity Cargill has but they may never smell it till the end of their career meanwhile she's out here burning it. You're saying you'll give her 5 years, it's been 5 years already sir. Look at the calibre of men that trained her👇 and up till now, nothing to show for it. When will you finally critique her; by the time her contract is over and she's gone to Hollywood?You say she needs time to improve. Someone who needs time to improve should not be on TV, they should be in developmental, not even NXT. But she's been on TV, wrestling at Mania, wrestling stars, tagging with stars and now she's Queen and you're still not sure if you should critique her yet. No problem. We're waiting. When you're ready to critique her, please let us know. My joy is that the internet never forgets.

As I said four years is still little time in wrestling terms. Training match is not a television match. You dey vex for who dn wrestle four years when marina has been doing so for 7 years.

ValeeLove:
bro, no one else will be given this sort of leeway by you. There are lots of women out there that need and deserve the opportunity Cargill has but they may never smell it till the end of their career meanwhile she's out here burning it. You're saying you'll give her 5 years, it's been 5 years already sir. Look at the calibre of men that trained her👇 and up till now, nothing to show for it. When will you finally critique her; by the time her contract is over and she's gone to Hollywood?You say she needs time to improve. Someone who needs time to improve should not be on TV, they should be in developmental, not even NXT. But she's been on TV, wrestling at Mania, wrestling stars, tagging with stars and now she's Queen and you're still not sure if you should critique her yet. No problem. We're waiting. When you're ready to critique her, please let us know. My joy is that the internet never forgets.

Okay now I'm rooting for her to win the title 😭😭😭

Valee it's hard to argue with you at times when you say you don't watch a show. I can't say same for myself and AEW

ValeeLove:
at this point, War Games is also part of the official name, my point still stands. They should also protest this one. I mean there is no feud leading to a War Games match right now, so how do we know there will be one when the PLE comes by. You see as you guys use selective logic.

There is no feud leading to a war games right now? You dn become omniscient booker to know what happens in November?
All those shenanigans that Seth and his faction are doing isn't leading to a war games?

ValeeLove:
also I don't mind watching her match just to prove a point. Besides, her botches are all over social media. I don't need to watch a full match to see that.

Isn't Sin Cara wwe botches on social media? The last botchamania I saw, they edited away a botch some some luchas made on collision.
The way they nitpick jade you'd think it was the Great Khali that was wrestling.
I've see Jade wrestling and she isn't as terrible as others like Eva Marie so where this rage dey come from?
I remember when folks were calling out Liv Morgan two or three years ago during the rousey feud. Now same ppl are calling Liv the best thing since sliced bread

ValeeLove:
bro check this out na. Haba. Are we children? You brought out her 4.9 ratings forgetting that those matches that were rated of her are some tags and multi-man and yet still her opponents play a crucial role in carrying her in the matches and making the match presentable at least. If we had her wrestling with talents like her throughout the year, that rating would have been 1.0.
From when she started at AEW till now, it's been 6 years and she's been training before that time. She had a tryout in WWE too.

So after everything you post. The same cagematch still rounded up her performance to 4.9 or not?
Training is different from match TV debut. A wrestler can be training for many years but you don't put them on TV unless you think they've made significant progress.
JADE had her first televised match in 2021.That's four years.
As for wrestlers carrying her, its same way Thunder Rosa carried Britt Baker to her best match too.

ValeeLove:
I know all these things, but why is it a PLE. The WWE fans had the same issue with HIAC PLE so HHH scrapped it. But how come they don't have an issue with this one when it's literally the same concept and the same situation?

You see survivor series for the screenshot you uploaded abi u no see am? E still dey under survivor series

What was the point of the new day winning the tag titles?

My final thoughts on Jade Cargill. She's been wrestling for four years but tends to forget her spots in matches and make mistakes.
Some wrestlers pick up quickly while others struggle to adapt. I'd give her one more year before writing her off. 5 years should be enough time to learn and perfect a skill.
I don't see her winning the world title any time soon despite her push.

ValeeLove:
Ehen, WWE fans have a problem with HIAC PLE because they believe it should be a grudge match stipulation and not a show; well what about War Games? Same issue here but not a single protest from anyone.

Wargames matches have always been a yearly event used to settle grudges between faces and heels since it's inception in the 1980s WCW.
Looking at Wikipedia they only skipped it in 1990 and 1999.
I'll give you credit though as the women matches last year didn't have a storyline leading to it. They did it because the men were having it.

ValeeLove:
you act like I watch WWE. I only have something to say on this matter because she once worked for AEW and by and far she still hasn't improved. You're talking Cagematch. The Cagematch ratings of her I saw were terrible. If you want me to post the evidence, I will.

You criticise what you don't watch?
I already post her cagematch rating screenshot eariier when I compared her to Marina who's been wrestling since 2018.
Jade has been wrestling for 4 years now which isn't a long time in wrestling years.

Not bad for a guy who sprouts emojis to backup his argument .
V must Vendet him Vandetta

Nia jax wins Queen of ring= Valeelove sleeps
Jade wins Queen of ring = Valeelove rages.
V for Vandetta.

ValeeLove:
again, yes, she buried the TBS division. Luckily they were mostly jobbers she beat. Brit is a decent wrestler (not a good one) but her character work is one of the best in the company regardless of division so that gives her an edge in status. We can't say the same about Jade's character work.
The Saudi fans have everything to do with this discussion. They are added points for me in this debate. She went to perform for them and they rejected her. The wrestling world panned the decision to make her Queen. And here you are, supporting the decision with no points to back you up, just emojis.

Britt a decent worker? Study cagematch and get back to me. Saudi fans booing has nothing to do with it. Fans boo faces, cheer heels in this modern day.
Na you carry mouth say Jade is the best by having the crown. She's also the best by having the TBS belt. Who she bury holds no water. She won that belt simple. Are you disproving your own theory?
The wrestling world my ass. Didn't Nia Jax beat Lyra last year to win it? Is Nia Jax a better worker than most women?
When E reach jade turn Na acrimony we go hear

ValeeLove:
I'm answering all your questions, answer mine. I'm not deflecting anything. You're the one deflecting. I ask about Jade, you're telling me about Brit Baker and AEW crowd.

You brought up her being the best by having the crown. You posited that theory. Theories are proven fact simple and short. She won the TBS belt which means she's the best. Britt won the AEW belt.
Na your logic we dey deduce here. Except say Na logical fallacy you dey posit.
Na you bring things out of context like Saudi crowd and me having no right to critique wrestling matches henceforth in that argument.
The points I brought like Britt, Cagematch ratings are relevant to the fact in issue

ValeeLove:
Corensweat is the most shabbily dressed and Kenny is the biggest - how will you think he isn't the wrestler? Mehn. Are you guys not happy the AEW is featuring DC stars or what?

I said show any rando this pic. You mean Corensweat the 6ft guy with biceps out look like a wrestler.

ValeeLove:
yeah, I question their pay too, but at least they do PPV numbers. I never liked Kenny in the video games division, he isn't an expert as far as I'm concerned and he gave them unnecessary stress. I believe he ruined it. It was bad investment due to carelessness and lack of proper preparation. Their biggest star was also a hot head, but yes they did it. I just want every party to take their blame.
Show on Fox, I don't know, it was probably when I wasn't watching.

I and valee agree on a subject?!!

ValeeLove:
Ehen, WWE fans have a problem with HIAC PLE because they believe it should be a grudge match stipulation and not a show; well what about War Games? Same issue here but not a single protest from anyone.

Deflect and run. Vintage Valee! as Micheal Cole is likely to say

ValeeLove:
he looks like a fan, like how you'd dress for a costume party or a comic con. I can't believe we're even having this conversation, so unnecessary.

show your people at home this pic. They're likely to point out Corensweat and Hoult as the wrestlers.

CoolUsername:
Look at how shabbily Kenny Omega is dressed. He looks like your average reddit neck beard touching grass for the first time in 6 months

but but muh workerate and real graps

Megan Bayne was propped up to be an instant threat to Toni Storm. She lost the match and is now stuck in tag limbo with Penelope Ford.
Where has Karmille been since her rift with Mercedes? Witness protection.
Our resident AEW sicko here would rather keep praying Jade slips on a banana peel than callout his favourite company for wasting these talents.

ValeeLove:
they'll be fine, as long as the money is coming and they make the right decisions. As for the E, making Jade Queen is a hell of a bad decision and there's so much marketing and business decisions can do when your product is bad.

They'll always be fine because Tony has a lot of money to burn. It's a hobby for him rather than a company which is suppose to turn profit.
They ran out their biggest star with a section of their audience.
Why should I pay you AEW wrestlers the WWE main roster money when na NXT developmental viewership I dey get each week? Five star bangers isn't putting butts in seats.
Every company is created for profit. WWE has bad decisions but them games, merchandise and live crowds are a draw.
What happened to AEW video game which Kenny was part of it's creative input? It died soon after release and went straight to bargain bin discount.
What happened to the AEW show on Fox that Swerve bragged about? Nowhere to be found.
Tony Khan runs a charity wrestling organisation.