₦airaland Forum

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TAO11:
Even Igbos too?? Hehehe! God is wonderful.

Everyone somehow need Oduduwa to validate their culture. Who no like better thing?

Lots and lots of ignorance being pumped in here. Touching on only two of the misinformation here, viz. (1)Igbo-Ukwu bronzes and (2)The Ogane who resides in the “east”:

(1) The archaeologist who worked on the Igbo-Ukwu ‘bronzes’ was Professor Thurstan Shaw.

Due to his work in the years 1959-60, the Igbo-Ukwu ‘bronzes’ is still thought, among common folks, to pre-date the Ife ‘bronzes’. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Such assumptions among common folks are terribly mistaken because the early dates initially associated with the Igbo-Ukwu 'bronzes' are now regarding as misleading by experts — including Professor Thurstan Shaw himself.

At the minimum, the radio-carbon dates initially attributed to the Igbo-Ukwu ‘bronzes’ are now noted to be due to erroneous exaggeration, and are therefore not absolute, not final, and not conclusive.

To quote the words of Professor Thurstan Shaw himself in a later publication in relation to the Igbo-Ukwu artefacts, he sums up and concludes as follows:

“SUMMARY: In the discussion of the reliance which should be placed on the Igbo-Ukwu radiocarbon dates, it is necessary to make certain that what evidence we have is correctly used. The precise locations of the samples used for dating are recalled and possible sources of error discussed. Consideration is given to the arguments for a date later than that suggested by the radiocarbon dates, stemming from the state of preservation of the textiles, the character of the beads, the pottery evidence, analogies with the presumed dating of Ife and Benin, the quantity and the source of the copper, and what is known of pre-European trading patterns in West Africa. The latter is probably the most serious objection to a very early date, but the question will only be settled with the acquisition of more archaeological evidence.”

Reference: Thurstan Shaw, “Those Igbo-Ukwu Radiocarbon Dates: Facts, Fictions and Probabilities”, The Journal of African History, Vol. 16, No. 4, (1975), p.517.

Furthermore and in relation to the foregoing, I should clarify and caution that the phrase: the earliest date obtained from the dated Ife ‘bronzes‘ is not one and the same thing as the phrase: the earliest date possibly obtainable from any of the not-yet-dated Ife ‘bronzes’.

This foregoing clarification is of utmost relevance here because “much of the bronze/brass art of Ife has not been dated.” — S.A. Akintoye, “A History of the Yoruba People”, 2010, p.52.

Moreover, the bronze casting tradition of the Yorubas is not isolated or restricted to the Ife subgroup. Later finds in the course of the 1900s came to prove that the ancient bronze casting art also existed in other parts of Yorubaland such as: Owo, Obo-Aiyegunle (in Northern Ekiti), Ijebu-Ode, etc.
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(2) Talking about the Ogané of the early Portuguese account who is noted to be “the most powerful monarch” in our part of the world, and who lived in the “east”.

Despite the description of “east” in this account, I am still unaware of any historian (past or present) who identified this monarch as an Igbo king.

From the beginning of the twentieth century, scholars had no reason to doubt that this Ogane of the Portuguese account is none other than the Ooni of Ife.

(see e.g. Stoll 1902:161-166; Roth 1903:6n1; Marquart 1913:52; Talbot 1926:1:155-156, 281-282, 3:573; Schurhammer 1928:28-30; Bradbury 1964:151, Paula Marti 1960:63, Mauny 1961:182; Akinjogbin 1967:41-43; Law 1973:17-19; Willett 1973:137-138; Obayemi 1976:247; Horton 1979: ; Akintoye 2010:141-142; among others).

Historians have maintained for, valid and factual reasons, that the description of “east” in the account is — rather than literal — of a religious significance.

The justification for this comes from the fact that every received detail about the Ogane in the account lines up perfectly only with the Ooni of Ife among all monarchs throughout the Gulf of Guinea.

Moreover, Ife is well-known among the ancient cultures of our region (at least west of the Niger River) by the religious epithet of: “the place from where the sun rises” — Ife Oodaiye, ibi ojumo tii mo wa.

(i) This ancient religious epithet of Ife as, the place of the rising sun, remains well-known even till date by every typical Yoruba person.

(ii) This ancient religious epithet of Ife was also well-known in Benin Kingdom at least up to the 1920s.

This fact comes from H.L. Ward-Price’s “Dark Subjects” wherein he noted that Oba Eweka(II) informed him that, every morning at dawn he faces the rising sun while observing certain rituals to his great-lord (Oghene) who lives in Ife.

(iv) This religious epithet of Ife is also found to be well-known in today’s Republic of Benin as Robin Horton’s citation of Maupoil, B’s “La Geomancie” 1943 publication shows below:

“Maupoil in his classic account of Dahomean religion, tells once more of a strong association of Ife with dawn and the east. He adds that although in this area the association is one that actually corresponds with geographical reality, in the minds of the people it is not so much a summary of geographical observation as a highly appropriate piece of symbolism. For Dahomeans, dawn and the east are in this context first and foremost symbols of certain admired attributes of Ife.”

(iv) This religious epithet of Ife was also recorded by David Hinderer during his missionary visit to Ife in the 1850s. He wrote:

“Ife is famous as being the seat of idolatory; all the multiple idols of this part of the country are said to emanate from the town; from there the sun and moon rises where they are buried in the ground, and all people of this country and even white men sprung from this town.”
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In summary: Scholars have from the beginning identified this Ogane (Oghene) as the Ooni of Ife. The only notable exception to this identification used to be A.F.C. Ryder who in 1965 hypothesized the geographical north-eastern direction, rather than the geographical western direction of Ife.

However, as Elizabeth A. Isichei has confirmed, Ryder later abandoned this solitary and radical idea in his 1969 work entitled “Benin and the Europeans”.

In sum, every redoubtable scholar and historian of precolonial Nigeria today has no iota of doubt in identifying the Ogane of the Portuguese account as the Ooni of Ife.

See the attached screenshot from page 47 of Adam Knobler’s (2016) work for a very recent apt summary of this identification.

cc: LegendH.ero, Sa.mmy07, 900.winer.

Thanks for your honorable mention .
I just had to unfollow the thread I was just tired of their baseles claims

D1official:
An average plot of land in Nnewi costs 10-20 million Sir, guess you know nothing about the east.

That's because the East is small in size .
There Is nothing in the East that is new to me

Three agbayas

Where was Bode George when Obasanjo almost ruined his political career?
The same way OBJ couldn't forgive kashamu is the same way Fayose can't forgive OBJ.

Anyways nah their problem.
That obj Ehn, he has the power to set Nigeria on good foundation, rather he keeps hunting his political enemies.

He has number of brilliant people his governments but he couldn't make use of them.

Awon Agbaya

Age restrictions no dey allow many 9ja youths pick am.

And it's costly here

Lastly are the youths even serious in this country ni

olaide92:
what salary structure is used for Nema?

I don't know actually but they should be under IPPS payroll

Tourism to where Abeq

Those structures we didn't maintain

OndoFirstBorn:
The Governor is still very much committed to the Araromi, Ondo State - Lekki, Lagos Road project. The Ongoing investigation at the NDDC is one of the things delaying the project. Governor Akeredolu is committed to opening the state to the world for economic growth.

The project is very important to Governor Akeredolu's investment drive to move Ondo State from Civil service driven economy to Industrial driven economy. By the time the Ondo Deep Seaport Project at Ilaje that Governor Akeredolu is proposing becomes a reality, the Araromi - Lekki coastal road will play a major role in it.

Hmm! It's good however, the deep port can't be completed during his tenure.

Lol

Igbos should work with Yorubas in 2023 so that when we win the elections they'll get either senate president or speaker house of reps.

How about the Ondo coastal road? In partnership of NDDC.

He said he wanna connect it to Lagos, we are yet to heard anything about it

Aaua fees is what I'm seeing here.
He should do similar thing in aaua

Danielomisco:
Inec?

Not possible inec salary is low.
Not even up to 100k for b.sc graduates as at 2014.

But now that minimum wage is implemented I don't know what they earn now

missyojo:
Please how does INEC and NAFDAC generate revenue? I don't think they generate revenue as you specified.

They do
They regulate political finances in Nigeria
They monitor their audit, the political parties in Nigeria usually submit their audit finances, they watch and see all activities in terms of spending or fund generation of political parties.

Pls read up inec code of conduct on political party it's a pdf

joyandfaith:
university is being owned by the two states but teaching hospitals are being owned by the respective states. there is a teaching hospital in ogbomoso and another one in osogbo. students rotate between the two hospitals for better exposure

This is correct

OlawaleBammie:
pls wat is d difference between agency and ministry

NNPC - Nigeria National Petroleum Corporation.
NLNG - Nigeria Liquefied Natural Gas.
DPR - Department of Petroleum Resources.
NEF - National Ecological Fund.
SEC - Securities and Exchange Commission.
CBN - Central Bank Of Nigeria.
BPE - Bureau of Public Enterprises.
CAC - Corporate Affairs Commission.
SON -Standards Organization of Nigeria.
NDIC - Nigeria Deposit Insurance Corporation.
NCC - Nigeria Communications Commission.
FAAN - Federal Airports Authority of Nigeria.
NIMASA - Nigeria Maritime Administration and Safety Agency.
NCS - Nigeria Customs Service.
FIRS - Federal Inland Revenue Service.
INEC - Independent National Electoral Commission.


Those are agencies, but if you hear something like Ministry of agriculture, ministry of water resources, ministry of information etc there are some departments under them. So they earn little.


In short agencies earns more than ministries and there are some agencies that generate revenue by themselves e.g EFCC, inec Nafdac firs NDLEA FRSC nnpc, nlng , custom etc

And there are some allowances wey dey agencies wey no dey ministries.

lordswill03:
My brother help me tell them oo, that's how people be giving me " a federal government worker" look. Not knowing say I de suffer

are you under Ministry?

Igwedollar
Gandollar 2.0

Nice info tho

I prefer working in agencies than ministries tho
Benefits are more in agencies than ministries

proeast:
If that's how you want to put it, then yes! If you disagree then mention those that are more hard-working than Igbos in Nigeria.

I'm waiting?!

okay bro

Anuoluwa1234:
Exactly, dat is why I don't want to talk much.. Igbos are majorly Christians.. so they must HV a very tangible reason for demolishing it
All those shouting war against Christianity are really dumb

like say the governor issa Muslim lol

Igbochief001:
Asking a question is breaking of rules ? ...I know u hate my gut but don't run mad on my head

that's what the guy does to all Yorubas here. And he never reported his igbo brethren

proeast:
Nigeria has three major ethnic groups i.e. the Hausa, Igbo and Yoruba. So, it isn't out of place to mention Yoruba. I can't start mentioning minorities in such context.

Okay Igbos are the most hardworking and brilliant people in Nigeria. Or what do you guys want. Why can't you mention Hausas instead of Yorubas

Thank God gbe governor and her citizens are both Igbos and Christians. Ain't expecting blame game here

proeast:
Nigeria has continued to frustrate us by deliberately making SE unattractive to big investments. It will even surprise some people to know that a good number of the industries in Lagos/Ogun axis are owned by Igbos. If only Enugu international airport is made functional and efficient, and P.H to Enugu railway is standardized like that of Lagos to Ibadan while the federal roads are made motorable like they are in the North, gas pipelines built to supply gas to Onitsha, Nnewi and Enugu, the East will immediately become an industrial powerhouse.

. And must you always make reference to Yorubas? There are over 250 ethnic groups in Nigeria. Can't you mention jukuns, gbwari, Tiv, nupe, Fulani, Hausa, ibiblo, Benin, Ijaws, Esan, urhobos, etc?

proeast:
The good thing is that we are gradually returning to our pre-civil war levels, and the sky is our limit.
A good number of the industrial brands in Nigeria today began as petty traders, buying and selling in what some mock as 4 by 4 shops. They begin by retailing, then to wholesale and supplies/distribution and ultimately to manufacturing. The likes of Ibeto, Tonimas, Innoson, AZ, Dozzy, Coscharis and lots of others began that way. These was even a generation that had little education. However, now that our traders are becoming more educated with many graduates going into trade and commerce, expect more of these springing up in large numbers.

. So are you telling us out of over,250 ethnic groups you're the most hardworking tribe? Other tribes are lazy and do nothing

So are you telling us that out of over 250 ethnic groups in Nigeria , only IGBOS are the most hardworking?

MinorityOpinion:
Cc legendhero, Sammy07, ThatFairGuy, Etinosa1234, obalatule, babaramota1980

.. Does that mean they came out of Yorubas??

Pimpmaride:
I volunteer myself..


I will handle the Sniper....


Igbalod eRaymond will handle sniper calculations and target for me..


H elinues will handle hand to hand combat


Sam my07 will handle logistics.

Lege ndhero will be our commander..

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Lols I no want ipobs to be there abeq

Pimpmaride:
Heli thank u very much


Sammy07, where are thou


I woke up smiling ooo


10000 Okoros can do me notin

morning boss

PericomaNwankwo:
Fool why did you change your signature. Childishness and idleness still dey worry you. You'll be fine las las

I know you must comment

I will still put it back