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Mkenya2019:
Kenya SGR - not crappy looking Nigeria SGR

Hahaha. Are you consoling yourself from all the beating you collect.
Anyway go and thank your star that I was not present to add to it

Mkenya2019:
Just when we thought we had seen the dumbest of them all - here he re-appears. As far as we know Nairobi-MSA has been operational for 2yrs now. Nairobi - Naivasha is 95% complete and will be operational before end of the year. I think what is pending is Dry Port in Naivasha - where Uganda and others will pick their cargo.

It running on loss remember

Mkenya2019:
Comparing kenya and TZ - is like comparing Kenya and Nigeria. It's like day and night.

TZ went Ethiopia way - they went for Class 2 - electrified railway. Ethiopia have been in operation for 3-4yrs and it's huge mess. Their electric trains stall mid-way every often because of erratic power supply. They are still one one or two trains from Addis to Djiboutti. It has no hope of repaying the loan...and they already asked Chinese for debt relief..they were given more time to repay.

Now Kenya has - again - some of the most QUALIFIED engineers, architect and designers - and policy wonks - you can think about.

We thought about all those issues. And we settled for Class 1 (heavy load) railway that is diesel-run - but with an option to electrify in the future - and the results - Kenya SGR is about to break even. We are doing 4 passengers trains and 28 cargo trains - 1 year in operations. In exactly 2yrs operations - Kenya has already surpassed it's 5th year projection.

Now Ethiopia is generally better in decision making than Tanzania and Nigeria.

Nigeria SGR of course is very sad story. Enough said of that.

Let try Tanzania. They are building brown-field (kenya is green-field - entirely new) electrified SGR from Dar to it's hinterland. It financed 50% by internal fund and 50% by commercial loan (CRAZY from South Africa's Stanchart bank. TZ main city is Dar - just like Nigeria - Lagos - nearly 60% of all cargo terminate at Dar. The railway will be just for transporting passengers and has no chance of in hell of breaking even in 30yrs. Unless they some minerals to ferry from the hinterland....there is little cargo that Rwanda or Burundi can do.

Tanzania is basically building the railway as competition against Kenya. They never thought through and they will of course be asking for debt forgiveness when StanChart squeeze their balls.

Kenya as always makes smart decisions. We have refused to extend the railway at China terms because it's doesn't make economic sense - China wants the railway to get to Congo - and they should fund it.

The cost variable - has been explained severally - Kenya is class 1, it's also green-field, it also include rolling stock, has several animal corridors - and when all that is factored it's competitively priced

Ugandans did comparison of the 3 - and choose the kenyan one.

Here is Uganda comparison...Kenya vs Tanzania vs Ethiopa.

https://www.sgr.go.ug/sites/default/files/downloads/SGR_comparison_of_Kenya_Tanzania_Ethiopia_Uganda.pdf


https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/business/Kampala-Addis-Ababa-rail-lines-costs/2560-3815786-rbewuez/index.html

OPONU.
No one listen to your cry anymore.
I know you are pained but let me add to it so next time you would think thoroughly before picking a topic that would affect you. YOU SGR IS A MASSIVE FAILURE AND A DISGRACE THAT CAN'T PERFORM IT'S FUNCTION PROPERLY DESPITE THE HEAVY RECKLESS LOAN YOUR GOVT ASSUMED

Mkenya2019:
Typical. You'll still remain the scum of earth just like your country. Now slowpoke - move on - I got better things to do with my time. I only deal with Issues..not personalities and adhominem.

Finally the fool backs off.
Obaderemiyou did a good job .
You hit him.where it hurts the most

cossano:
i have never really understood the hatred between Kenyans and Tanzanians, this thing f.vcks with me! as a luo man my community straddles both countries and whenever am in Tanzania i get nothing but love, i can't tell you how many times i have toyed with the idea of taking up a Tanzanian citizenship, people who don't understand our shared heritage are the ones always yapping Kenya this Tanzania that, guys stop planting seeds of discord amongst us communities with presence in both of these countries such as maasai and luos. where do you expect us to stand and that guy who is claiming to be Tanzanian, i mean come on, even I who ain't Tanzanian can see that you are not Tanzanian, i have always meant to ask you guys this, what do you get out of this useless arguments? if its a debate about devt indices however you like but do it with civility and humility, its not a must you defend your country even though its flaws are everywhere to be seen, as for me, i will always consider myself a citizen of the greater east Africa, my people are DRC,S SUDAN ETHIOPIA,UGANDA,KENYA and TANZANIA. So any development in any of these countries excites me, let promote integration and not disintegration. and please stop sharing photos of those starving turkanas, you are not helping matters, its not their fault that they are hungry and suffering but a dysfunctional system which the Kenyans do not want to accept.

True the turkana image are appalling and should not be posted, but your brothers leave us no choice

Mkenya2019:
Nobody can lend you serious money with your revenues. Kenya in last two weeks - got 2B dollars from Eurobond - and WB gave us another 1B dollars - we just ask and we get - because we have total revenues of 21B dollars annual.

Your revenue to debt servicing is 70%. Kenya is around 30%. Fake GDP cannot be banked in gov coffers and used to pay debts. What pay debt is taxes collected by FIRS. Your federal gov total budget is less than kenya. Lets not talk about Nigeria 36 states that are eye-balled with debts - those are already choked death - and paying salaries and pensions - is a monthly struggle.

Kenya debt management is robust. Our macro-economics solid. Save for few years in 90s - our public financial management is PRUDENT.

And we have never had a debt crisis - like you had - when you had to seek forgiveness of many loans.
Focus on DEBT SERVICING TO REVENUE. Not DEBT TO COOKED GDP.

You are beginning to cry vice president of taahira .
Tell me where was your "WE JUST ASK AND WW GET" HUH

obaaderemi:
How did they even allow that to happen? This Tonyebarcanista's thread has seriously shown Kenya as arguably Africa's most corrupt country.

Their sgr is a failure. All the borrowed billions pushed into it and it can't handle the desired cargo with which it was intended to carry

tylann:
Taahira arguing with emotions
Everyone is lending Kenya money because Kenya is able to repay we have never defaulted on loan payment and we have never borrowed to pay salaries like Nigeria

World bank has already approved a loan to Kenya
China is funding construction of superhighways in Nairobi
Chinese companies are investing in konza city

Yeah I know taahira . You like deceiving yourself

Your konza city is dead and buried never to rise again and your debt has been a created problem btw kenya and china due to unpaid accumulated debt.
Go and borrow money so you can invest in sense

Jonraid:
We can talk about money ritual practices in Nigeria.Let me tell you,the pictures of your folks holding other people's freshly cut off heads are so so out of this world!

Pls go ahead. It doesn't phase me

theenchanter:
nice, I've seen the mobius workshop, not yet a production line.

He is a fool that wants to deceive himself not us.
Can't you see they are machinery or other cars constructed except empty spaces with an uncoupled car

Problemkid1:
Who wants to travel to that dangerous country. I rather die here in Nigeria

No one. I personally can think of endangering my self

kikuyu1:
Yes, 30 kids go missing daily out of a 50 mn pop. There's things I've seen here about the fate of Naij kids I'D REALLY REALLY RATHER NOT MENTION.

You has better not just go and protect you kids on your supposed safer city so they don't fall victim of the cruel and barbaric act you guys engage in

rvp20182:
Abuja-Airport - carries 400 passengers. That phase cost 800M dolars in construction. Enough said. Show me a more wasteful investment in the entire planet and that Abuja light train will be up there.

Abuja-Kaduna - has done 1.5M passengers and zero cargo - 3yrs (1,000 days). MSA-NBO has done 3M passenger in 2yrs. What MSA-NBO does in 350 days - Nigeria's Abuja-Kaduna - do in 1,000 years.

Annually Abuja-Kaduna - carries about 0.6M passengers - which daily translate about 2,000 passengers - or 1,000 passenger one-way - assuming it has two trains - one going either direction.

Let not talk about CARGO - the main job of SGR is transport cargo - otherwise it would be wasted investment if you made it a light rail.

I am not sure how your expect to recoup money from rail - doing such kind of insanity. Entire Lagos-Kano was to cost 12B dollars - and but nearly 15yrs later - only Abuja-Kaduna section is complete - as your federal gov struggle with funding issues.

Kenya is miles ahead of your wasteful and incompetent gov..

yOur sgr is a failure. Tell your government to learn to cut their coat according to their size. You are not yet economical capable for the kind of project and borrowing has already made the future of every kenyan citizen hopeless. Crawl before you walk

rvp20182:
You'll find such articles funded or written by Western as Chines eat their challenges. The true story about Kenya SGR is great success. The NBO-MSA railway was constructed in record 3yrs - and began passengers services in June 2017 - and cargo in jan 2018. For passengers - four trains - two trains each direction ply the route daily. For Cargo - we began with 1 train in Jan - and kept adding a train every year - and now we are doing 14 trains each direction - about 28 trains per days.

Here is the chinese ambassador to Kenya take.

We believe SGR is economically viable. Note that in first year of operations, Mombasa-Nairobi SGR has earned Sh10.33 billion, which is close to the operating cost of Sh12 billion. It’s never easy for a railway project to achieve nearly break-even in a year. Kenyan and Chinese operators deserve credit for that achievement. China has full confidence in Kenya’s ability to make profits from SGR.

Common get out.I will not stop believing a reputable source just so I can settle for your ginger constructed lie.
Your sgr is a joke and it will never see the light if the day.
No one will lend you anymore cos you are resourcesless

EKO ATLANTIC IN ALL ITS GLORY

Pls kenyans can you stop going on YouTube to admire our project "EKOATLANTIC '

mtisTheQubit:
Do you know how many naija drug barons w've jailed or shot...let me give you a sample of jailed naijas in a kenyan prison

The guy standing is lexander Onyia from Onicha Uchie Ndokwa East L.G.A Delta State

Nonsense we handle your criminals here alot

kikuyu1:
[s]Nigga,what's all this redundant verbiage? You're not making any sense even by your own low standards. Before posting flush the estrogen out of your system-I can smell it from here and its stifling your already tiny brainpower[/s].

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Fool. That's just a tip of an iceberg. I am coming with more raw fact tomorrow. If you don't like it help your taahira self out and hug a transformer

mtisTheQubit:
which kids went missing if i may ask

Now you are beginning to sound like you taahira brother "tylann". But here it is.make sir your kids don't go missing tomorrow .make sure you watch your rural video



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc3XbzoCFps

tylann:
It sounds like mumu

Taahira-ism is taking over you

tylann:
You spewed nothing but emotions and feelings

You need to see a doctor or a therapist
You emotions are always clouding your thinking and reasoning

You get worked over nothing

Common shut your taahira mouth.don't mistake my insult for emotions.look around most Nigerians here can barely go a word without atleast one insult , it's just too much for you that I give you at least five before I hot the submit button. Insulting idiots like yourself is like a culture to a nigerian.
Insult will always be part of my necessary tools to reveal the truth

tylann:
Taahira aka mumu you are back
Now tell me which links list thing like these 1),2)3) .

Don't repeat my question taahira.
Tell me which new report or blog list things like this 1),2),3)

theenchanter:
lol, i name-called rvp cos of his pomposity in the part I emboldened in his post.

Yeah he is too pompous and loud over nothing, absolutely nothing to show for but a failed sgr and manufacturing car plant

rvp2018:
Mobius last I checked were using KVM - in Thika town - for their manufacture. They have original designers - have hired top guys from top European and US car manufacturers - and are actually manufacturing a car. Re-badging Chinese clones of cars is not something we need to discuss here.

It's not a matter of the last time you checked but providing simple proof that he requested from you .
Show us

rvp2018:
You're confusing - extension of SGR rail - new loan that Kenya wanted - and existing loan that Ethiopia asked for renegotiation for loan terms - for a loan already disbursed.

[b]Kenya has not had any problem repaying existing[/b]chinese loans and has NOT ASKED for any debt renegotiation.

The negotiation with China is on completion of Phase 2B and 2C - railway from Naivasha to Kisumu city and finally to Malaba(border with Uganda). Kenya wants China to give 50% grant on that - because beyond Nairobi - Kenya do not really need the rail - China want kenya to pay for it - and also put down security - plus for Uganda to sign.

This would be like you finally get to Lagos-Kano - and now you want to do KANO to Niger border..that would mainly benefit Niger(not Nigeria). Obviously Nigeria won't be getting to KANO anytime soon.

You hallucinate alot.wait for the day you become community sheriff in kisumu so you can change your country but for now kenyatta rules and he can damage it as he likes with debt only for you to pay with your life while his family goes on vacation to Namibia

obaaderemi:
Rvp and kikuyu1 are classical idiots. IVM is owned by a Nigerian while Möbius is owned by a Briton operating in Kenya. Posting such shows how desperate they are. They hardly own their own economy. I hope they don't bite me for this.

Please there is nothing in their economy apart from the following
Debt
White investment
2-cent accumulated profit

theenchanter:
unfortunately, u'll make me tear rvp apart again.mobius is still a not a vehicle company to me... it was incorporated in 2011 and it's just building a factory in nairobi (according to my findings).. u can prove me wrong by posting pics of mobius production line.

Mobius has only two brands (mobius I and II) mobius sold only 40 vehicles so far. u can't compare that with innoson. We even sell our vehicles to far-away Gambia.

Innoson also have different brands, he even produce firefighting vehicles with garbage trucks.

Envy they are jealous.always trying to measure up with us as though they can ever be better and greater than us even if they are breast fed by the whites.
We are the giant period.they should go and question nature

obaaderemi:
You like deceiving yourself. Kenya has been refused extension of its loans because it is struggling to pay what it owns China currently. This is already fuelling fears that the Chinese are preparing to relieve you of your Mombasa port.You are in a debt trap. Face it. Your flowers and avocados can not save you.
Ethiopia on the other side has been allowed by China to renegotiate its loans, so they are not afraid of losing anything to the Chinese.

https://qz.com/africa/1634659/ethiopia-kenya-struggle-with-chinese-debt-over-sgr-railways/

Your politicians have sold you down the river.

Omg .you stumbled upon these same disgrace sgr pictures that I got from the internet

They have no future, kenyatta made sure he jeopardised it.all thank to their idiot thuggish looking economic gangstar of a president

rvp2018:
Since 2006 - you're still building 1300kms - what Kind of Giant. Kindly start paying and collecting taxes - otherwise with 25B federal budget - you gov cannot do much - and contractors cannot do much too.

What kind of debtor are you.and also what kind of failure are you.please learn to borrow and put infastructure that would serve it intended purpose properly not this joke that can barely accumulate a cargo

rvp2018:
or Abuja - to Airport one - that cost nearly 1B dollars and transport 400 passengers daily!! You see Lagos - Ibandan or Lagos metro would be top priority - but because big cats are in Abuja - they will prioritize anything in Abuja and leave Lagos to rot away.

Lagos - Ibandan - distance of 150km - SGR still under construction since 2006 - and expressway - since I hear 1970s

If you are not aware of something then I advice you kindly shut your ignorant mouth and ask questions. The project is in six phase and the first phase is what was delivered.if you see this as a waste of money then I can say that is your own problem cause we can use our resources as we like, we dont have to think about borrowing and getting turned down most especially when we are almost completing it. I think the picture below is the second phase. While you are at it read this.





Abuja Light Rail System is a new light rail network being developed in Abuja, the capital city of Nigeria. It is the first light rail system being developed in Western Africa.

The first phase of the light rail system was commissioned by the President of Nigeria in July 2018. It is operated by China Civil Engineering Construction Corporation (CCECC).

The Abuja Light Rail System is mainly intended to reduce the traffic congestion and offer an enhanced travel experience to the commuters in the Federal Capital Territory (FCT) region of Abuja.

Abuja Light Rail System details

The Abuja Light Rail System is an integral part of the Abuja Rail Mass Transit System and the FCT Transportation Master Plan. The project is being implemented in six lots. A feasibility study for the remaining lots is under progress.

kikuyu1:
Then what was the point of building a new Abuja.Kaduna railway line ??

This is the point

rvp2018:
How has China ripped kenya off? Kenya main debt to Chinese is SGR (600Kms completed and operational rail done in record 3yrs) - it's 50% concessional loan (nearly zero interest) - and 50% commercial loan - and our SGR is already achieving 5yr projected target on it's 2nd year of projection. SGR did not give Mombasa port as security. What Kenya Ports was made to sign is reserve 40% of cargo to SGR or pay for it. The rest of chinese loans are mostly concessional and competitive with Brettonwood loans (Imf & WB).

I mean you can talk about Ethiopia struggling with SGR loan - because they already asked for 30yr extension - Kenya has no problem - and has historically never had debt crisis - we know what prudent management of funds is - something Nigeria or Tanzania have no idea what it's mean.

The one problem with you guys is that you lie alot and cover things too much. No wonder you hate cossano for always spewing the truth here and revealing your innermost, darkest secrets.
You talk too much but without sense.your sgr is suffering alot due to no funding from your soon to be colonial masters.but you will come here and start analysing train project in nigeria as though you have sought the useless, hopeless, not coming too light any time soon project, in your country . Go and speak doom on that project but while you are at it be aware that by 2023 the whole of nigeria will be connected by its sgr.below is a report from June 4 2019 which is just three days ago . Go and continue struggling cause no one will lend you to complete that white elephant project maybe now you will know the usefulness of resources .
What a waste after spending so much loans on that rubbish you call sgr it can not accommodate the cargos capacity that its due

You will never have a light rail in your shiithole if thats is what is making you jealous.just go and pray for rainfall