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MalcoImX:
Don't hinge all your hopes on democracy or it becomes your god. In The Republic, Plato outlined those who are qualified for leadership. They are what he called philosopher kings or aspiring philosophers. A leader must PHILOSOPHIZE. So, the first and most important prerequisite is wisdom, to be wise, and that does not include playing to the gallery or being overdramatic. It is foolishness, a facade, a simulation with a motive to deceive. It is unbecoming of a leader, whose main accessory is thinking. What we're having as a democracy these days is a caricature of the real. It is bestial, pedestrian and emotional. It is poverty of philosophy (wisdom) when you have unprincipled vagabond misleading the people in the name of democracy. How can the cross dressing, punk looking CB be an advocate of democracy as Plato defined it. Mind you, you were lacing your arguments with morality. I'll never be an advocate of leadership of waywards - gays, drug addicts, kidnappers, and the criminally minded, as is happening in America, where you have a male governor married to a male partner.
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This version of democracy, of the morally depraved you and CB want to push is not my type. I don't restrict my options to what you call 'democracy.'
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For Forms of Government let fools contest; whatever is best administered is best." – Alexander Pope

Plato? The Republic? Are you sure you are not misrepresenting what that book talked about? The Republic was hundred percent against Democracy. Let me shock you. What Socrates proposed in the Republic was wrong–Monarchical Fascism. That's off this discussion.

You are missing the point. Ours is a democracy and as along as it is, what is legally binding is what is sound. If we are to go by those morals about Philosopher-King you are trying to switch to, the first question will be if your current President with all his poor utterances and actions qualifies as one. Then even your moral prism is called to question.

MalcoImX:
And as the police said, CB is overdramatic. He acted for the camera. He's doing it for political correctness and all is for show up.

So is being overdramatic undemocratic and deserving of Jungle Justice?

MalcoImX:
You're advocating situational ethics, which is not good enough. Those who are selective in their treatment of events must have their motives questioned, and that's what is being done. You can't give what you don't have. What are your antecedents? What is your credibility? It's hard to question Oby or Falana, if they're the ones at the vanguard of this.
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As for what you call jungle justice - I can't condemn the state. It has the right to disrupt, arrest and even prosecute those it sees as breaching the peace. I am not condemning CB either. It's his motive that's not clear to me. You say Return r Resign: Return against medical advice and if it's Resigning on what basis? On what authority are you and CB basing your arguments. Is it legal (constitutional), medical or on sentiments?

How is situational ethics wrong in a democracy? Isn't Democracy about the legal correctness of issues?

MalcoImX:
I am by that statement supporting common sense. But still it's a matter of believe. If by all means CB believes that Buhari is not good for Nigeria, he has every reason to protest. I don't share his views, so I won't see it his way. And again, as I pointed out, there are cases like Buhari's and none of you or CB was seen demanding those should resign.

Your statement is off. The question is about the morality of Jungle Justice. Pointing at other cases of stupidity by elected officials is a different matter. Condemn jungle justice when you see it. That's the matter here. Anyone can choose whenever they deem fit to protest against evil, timing doesn't justify evil.

LordOfNaira:
He didn't bend to the culture. He only said what he could under the circumstance by charging people to be tolerant of one another's religions. It is like saying "this can be avoided. Let us work hand in hand to ensure that it does not repeat itself". When the killing of blacks by American police became rampant, Obama charged all Americans to be concerned about it. It is the least he could do while promising justice for the affected family.

That's not what it is like. It is like saying "if she had tolerated their religion she wouldn't have died". That's true but it was a very poor thing to say. It gives support rather than condemn the madness.

The President, just like others before him, showed that desire to maintain the status quo. He showed that people's emotions supersede whatever rationale found in any democratic and human society.

Obama didn't respond to the killings by insinuating that blacks should respect the feelings of the whites. His statement was attuned to the dictates of any rational democracy. Ours was different.

LordOfNaira:
I don't know what you all expected the president to say. He, just like every other Nigerian, knows that we don't yet have a very efficient police (except he wants to lie to himself to feel good). Our police is far from good. The least the president could do in the meantime is to ask people to promote tolerance. If there is tolerance, there would be peace. If you expected more from him, then you should endeavour to read his full speech. Because he said more than the words in bold.

If there is a culture of recklessness should the president bend to this culture or rise above them so that others will follow his example? If all presidents keep making statements like that who then will inspire the right thinking?

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MalcoImX:
My point is don't go to a market in SE and protest or be misperceived as abusing Ojukwu or the lesser god like Nnamdi. Even the girlish look of Charley is enough to draw a crowd to him and be mistaken as a homo in that environment; and you know what that means. Just use a little sense in whatever you're doing unless your name is Mr. Sorry.

Are you with these comments supporting Jungle Justice? Are you also supporting the abuse of the right to protest? A yes or no will do.

Dlordsamurai:
I believe NIGERIA is the most corrupt country on earth, so any bad thing that happens is expected, "The only way to reduce this madness is 2019, making sure that a christian and a man with good past records take the mantle of leadership, "A man like fani kayode, fayose, there are many good men both in niger delta and in the west.

There's a difference between opposing a government and being a good man and having capacity to run this country. That's not even the point. The point is, the creation of a culture of respect for the rule of law and commonsense. If we had not institutionalized evil the thought of lynching Charly Boy wouldn't have come up.

MalcoImX:
It's not unconstitutional to protest! but I won't do it in a market in Onitsha abusing Ojukwu or the iPOB master (Nnamdi).

Should we then support people who try to lynch others for showing displeasure at a particular person? Is it democratic and the right thing to do? Are we suppose to support the madness? Was he even insulting Buhari? Don't you think they derive strength from this sort of argument you are making?

MalcoImX:
Charles Kaye Okoye wrote:

Nigeria has been importing petroleum products for many years now despite being a major oil producer!
. . . U no protest!

For decades, all the nations refineries remained dead. Despite the humongous funds pumped into their rehabilitation, they remained dead as the funds ended in party men's pockets.
. . . U no protest!

The entire roads in the nation were death traps, despite funds disbursed yearly for rehabilitation. Still nothing! Monies ended up in few individuals' deep pocket.
. . . No protest!

N11trn wasted in power sector rehabilitation, even as the nation progressively sank into deeper darkness. Monies gone down the usual route!
. . . Oga no protest!

Oga hear say only madam conner money wey fit give this nation 10 world-class hospitals!
. . . Oga bone! No protest!

We all grew up meeting tap water dotting our streets, provided and serviced by water board. But we watched as these progressively went into extinction, despite huge budgetary allocation to water board every year.
. . . E no reach to protest!

We are inundated with Halliburton scandal, Siemens scandal, Malabu Oil scandal. NNPC missing $20bn.
. . . Dem no reach to protest!

Workers are owed many months despite prompt disbursement of monthly allocations, bailout funds, Paris Club refunds. Governors use the funds to build private hotels, while workers and their children starve.
. . . We no need to protest!

The only thing worth protesting is an ill president's 'long' absence on medical leave, despite fulfilling all constitutional requirements.

Bros, this nation belongs to us all. In what is clearly a scramble for the soul of this nation, I and millions of other well-meaning Nigerians that staged a bloodless revolution in 2015 to take back our nation, have taken our stand. We stand with Buhari! We stand with better Nigeria! We stand with change!

Months to the 2015 presidential election, Doyin Okupe could not help but acknowledge that Nigerians had rallied round Buhari with "Sai Baba" renting the air. Today, that same crowd is still there.

Charly Boy can go on to build a house in Fountain square, but until he beams his mirror on our self-serving NASS and money-for-judgement judiciary, Charles Oputa is completely on his own.

You have a point but did you read the article to understand the point it is trying to convey? When did it become unconstitutional and warrant jungle justice for a person to protest against whatever thing, no matter how silly, he feels is worth protesting for? Try to read the op.

You think the men who organised and partook in the attempted lynching of Late Justice Oputa’s Son, Charles Oputa, also known as Charly Boy, are the few men you saw that day? Do you really think that those ordinary men tried to put him to death because they cared so much about truth and justice and patriotic to the country they were trying to kill for? You think they did it simply because they were supporters of the President, Muhammadu Buhari?

You think they tried it because they are the most backward of this country’s backward citizens? All Charly Boy wanted was to give the country a face lift. He, like so many others, are tired of having a visiting President. The weak cord binding the fibres of this country’s soul has been weakened further in the man’s absence. Charly was, in his words, trying to wipe out our generational dumbness as a people. And that was what it seemed like.

Read Full Article Here:

http://www.mortalpoet.com/know-charly-boy-almost-lynched/

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Why do you write like that? Are you not suppose to be a graduate?

Who determines what's hate speech? The presidency, the national assembly through laws or one person? Dead on arrival. They know what to do to curb it but they won't do it.

Abagworo:
The writer is an opposition apologist and as usual came up with fictions to support his views. Most patriots know the fact that all these corrupt elements are doing all within their powers to make Buhari fail so that corruption will come back. It is our duty as citizens to make war against corruption succeed and maintained for at least 8 straight years.

Do you honestly think that Buhari is not corrupt and have the intelligence to govern a complex Nigeria?

Celebration of incompetence.

Basing it on likes will solve nothing. The haters will simply like each others comments as is the practise now and be let free. Basing it on quality of comments will solve nothing too because the persons assessing it, I mean the members are supportive of their respective arguments. I strongly believe that he knows what to do.

Makes little sense. All the radio stations I know in Abuja are doing a lot to curb hate speech. They cut you off and ban you from calling. This rule means that once any fool calls and spews hate, whether he is cut off later doesn't matter. It assumes that the radio presenters/stations have foreknowledge of what the caller is about to say. Dumb! I fear this is not a step to fascism. If you want to stop hate speeches the first thing to do is to terminate the things that breed them. What are these things? Impunity and Injustice.

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attackgat:
If Nnamdi Kanu wanted to go to war, he would not advertise it this way for the authorities to know about it. He would have armed the die hard Biafra fanatics and it would start. The man has said that all he wants is a referendum. If some Biafran youths decide to wear berets and take salutes from Kanu, nothing in the law says they are doing anything wrong. Boys Brigade, NYSC, Boyscouts and several others all take salutes, are they also going to war?

The mind of the average Nigerian has been conditioned to see Biafra as war when that is not the case.

If people take this BSS as some sort of preparstion for war, its a free world, anyone can think what they like.

What exactly do want the people to take it as? I mean you, how do you see it?

So, what else has the Police that accused Bishop found after 9 days? The same dude is walking boldly around. Or is Bishop a name the put out to cover the truth like some people suggested? Seems the people are doing more in unraveling the truth than the police are doing.

Truckpusher:
They don't read . Give them a Koran and yell "Allah ak bar" You'll see them in action.

Don't derail the thread.

attackgat:
I dont care what the video is meant to achieve as long as they are not breaking the law. Wearing a beret with black clothing and taking salute is not against any known law

That's true but we have ask what a person plans to achieve by doing something with such ambiguity. Would it help Biafra if that video sends an impression of war? Will anyone be wrong to assume that Kanu is training an army against Nigeria? What impression does he send? What exactly does he plan to achieve? Those are important questions. Kanu is a mortal and not a God and should be alerted when he goofs.

attackgat:
That is your personal opinion, dont make it Kanu or IPOB's opinion.

When I was a member of ny schools boyscouts, we saluted and had guards of honour.

When I was in the Redcross, we saluted and had guards of honour

Even during my NYSC days, we saluted and kept guards of honours which civilians occasionally inspected

IPOB gives Kanu a guard of honour which he inspects and salutes to and people start writting nonsense. All of a sudden it is about "applying force where necessary"

Kanu is not doing anything you dont see other organisation like the Boys Brigade, Boyscouts and so on doing

But because it is Kanu and IPOB, people start foaming at the mouth.

The write up was utter nonsense.

I don't think it's utter nonsense. The op may have said some illogical and irrational things up there but the bottom line is what such video seek to achieve. What exactly does that video seek to achieve? Can't such video be used as evidence against him? You can support Kanu but not everything he does. What's the point of that video? That he's preparing them to engage Nigeria in a war or what? What exactly?

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