TAO11:


I boldened the first part of your comment to tell you to provide the academic evidence for the 2500 yeaars. Please i dont want to laugh.

See ehn my sister, anybody can type up any number and say for example that the Yoruba have been living in their homeland for since 7000 BC --- that is more than 5000 years ago --- which is actually true unlike your own false claim.

The oldest humain remains found in the whole of West Africa was found in Yorubaland at Iwo Eleru and the bones date to 7000BC.


Regarding your second boldened claim, the Binis do not have indigenous written history prior to Egharevba 1934, okay? Don't say what you don't know again oo. This is your last chance.


For the last part where you said I haven't answered you, I think it shows clearly that you don't read what yoi reply to.

It doesn't portray you well when you take your time to compose a reply in response to a comment that you know you didn't read. Think about that!

yes that skull is 13,000 years old and more primitive than its age but doesn't have the resemblance of the modern human.
Don't get me wrong I said the Benins used artworks an evidence to support their oral history and when those artworks were stolen the authenticity of their history was questioned. Hope you understand me now.

I did read your response to my questions but you didn't reply my on time that was why I kept repeating myself .don't conclude without knowing if I read them or not.

I will try to mention you where you said oduduwa didn't exist and I will apologise if it wasn't you that said it.

I didn't see any video you made mentioned of and I don't want to read the whole of that article because it was based on personal opinion not facts. If you really want me to go through it then you'll have to send me an article about his opinion regarding oduduwa.

You can't make believe that my oba came from people who claimed that their king came from the sky others said he was from mecca and some are even saying Egypt .so please I would like to know his opinion on oduduwa then I can view my opinion to myself.

TAO11:


You seem to be missing out only the most relevant parts of my comment.

Let me bolden it:
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Before 1970, Benin had its own written history, by the Binis. And that pre-1970 written history says the EXACT OPPOSITE of what the revisionists came up with from the 1970s upwards.

Do you now understand what I said?


Now, to the boldened part lf your comment.

First, historians don't simply give opinions as if it is something random --- doing that means that the subject called history is a joke.

Second, you obviously are shying away from reading by yourself yet you want to debate history.

Anyways, for all historians studying Yoruba history, Odudwa is the Yoruba king who became the first central king of a unified Ile-Ife.

And it is the same Ife palace from where he and his descendants rule that gave Benin its king.

The same palace visited by Oba Ewuare II in 2018, from where he then proceeded to pay homage at the burial site lf the h3@ds of certain Benin Obas.

See timestamp xxxx in the attaced Channels TV video below

I didn't care to read it because it's a history based on opinion not facts, I would also like to see his opinion about oduduwa which you earlier stated didnt exist.which of the Benin kings are buried in ife?

TAO11:


Lol. I gave you the submission of experts --- the leading historian on Benin history, and you said it's personal opinions.

He is no Yoruba by the way!

Moreover, there is no account in Benin history of any Izoduwa, etc. anywhere on this planet before the year 1970.

Yet Benin has written hostory long before the year 1970.

What does that mean to you?

Historians know who first came up with the Ekalderhan joke in the year 1970. His name is S. B. Omoregie.

I can give you references to his work if you please.

the Benin kingdom is dated back to 2500 years and their history is been passed down through oral and artworks .
When the kingdom was invaded in 1897 those artworks were stolen and the city walls were destroyed, meaning in 1897 their history was destroyed leaving them with just the oral version of history.You haven't still answered my questions about oduduwa and the palace that gave the Benins their king

TAO11:


It's your personal that you call an historical fact an opinion.

An historian does not just wake up one day and grab his computer to start typing that the Izoduwa theory is a joke.

No what they do is to gather and thoroughly examine the accounts (for contradiction, exxagerations, improbabilities, outright fabrications, etc.) from the actual people involved.

There is no historical account of any Izoduwa in all of Benin history prior to the year 1970.

Omoregie was the first to publish it despite earlier extant Benin history saying otherwise.

Oba Erediauwa was the first to formally pronounce it to the Benin public during his coronation.

Before then, such history was unheard of by the Bini man, woman, boy, or girl --- prior to that sudden change in their history.

And for the boldened part of your comment:
He did specifically state that which you said he didn't.

Wait! How do you know all the statements in an article before reading it?

You obviously haven't read the article.

it was unheard of by the Benin men and women doesn't mean that some of them don't know and oba Erediauwa needed to state the son of who he was because the yorubas were saying otherwise.
We the Benins are not in competition with anyone but the yorubas should stay in own lane .please tell me his opinions about the stories of oduduwa,the palace in yorubaland that gave the Benins a king.

TAO11:


Lol. I gave you the submission of experts --- the leading historian on Benin history, and you said it's personal opinions.

He is no Yoruba by the way!

Moreover, there is no account in Benin history of any Izoduwa, etc. anywhere on this planet before the year 1970.

Yet Benin has written long before the year 1970.

What does that mean to you?

Historians know who first came up with the Ekalderhan joke in the year 1970. His name is S. B. Omoregie.

I can give you references to his work if you please.

a leading historian opinion doesn't make the matter true or false and he didn't state that the Benins came from yoruba,he didn't also state the yorubas gave the Benins king and I would like to know his opinion about oduduwa and which palace in yorubaland gave the Benins a king.

TAO11:


Check out my quite short reply to the Ekaladerhan/Izoduwa fabrication at this particular link.

https://www.nairaland.com/5738539/benin-governor-kneels-greet-king/11#87682523


Read it carefully. I also provided full referencing.

this are not evidence but personal opinions.when you said you're doing some research I thought it was about reading books from the both sides,going to places to ask questions, finding some geological evidence and not some written opinion.

lefulefu:
agreement? will a man be dat foolish to sign off all his properties to his wife pending when a divorce takes place ? i think they are being forced by the govt to give all their properties to their wives .

most men signed those agreements knowing fully well that they don't have any properties over there at that moment but they forget to think about the future

TAO11:


There is no such thing as Izoduwa, or Idoduwa, or Imadoduwa.

The Ekaladerhan-Izoduwa idea have been disproven by world-renowned historians to be a fake rewriting of history.

The only recognized history by historians all over the world is of a Yoruba kingdom, Ife who made a prince available to the Edo to go rule over them.

I am willing to provide you with the evidence for this if you're willing to update yourself.

Let me know what you think.

Peace!

first let me see the evidence first before asking further questions

lefulefu:
divorce settlements and govt will give ur house and property to ur divorced wife is probably d reason

it depends on their agreement on their wedding day beside majority of men don't own properties over there.

Iyiataata92:

All these are not necessary. I'm not attending!!!


Modified: all these folks quoting me and asking why I asked for the name of the church in the first place, I only asked for the name of the Church not an introduction.
Learn how to answer questions precisely and tersly

this is the same reason this guy didn't mention the name of the church.
You are being unnecessary rude

gregyboy:


More research is going on by me to ascertain if ife and Oduduwa really had a connection if truly they didnt

Argument like who have the word oba
Who gave the word ubini
And so on will be forever settled

Do you know the Portuguese were the original people who had given the name benin to benin" before they arrived to africa they have had account of arabic merchant of a town name birni in the present kebbi state, Birni kebbi then was still a pagan state before our brother usman later converted all the pagan state in the north to islam, ibn buttua had already reported of a powerful pagan town birni kebbi to the Europeans on his venture to africa so Portuguese sailors had later set on a quest to sail to africa to spread Christianity and find Prester peter who had defeated the islamist spread on getting to africa they meant smaller disorganized kingdoms that didn't catch thier interest while they were sailing they meant some benins who were trading at the bight of benin they were well dressed and organized they had to stop to adress the benin people who later took them to the palace when they got to the palace the felt they had gotten to the Kingdom ibn buttua had mentioned birni" language barrier had made them unable to ask the name of the Kingdom they were, overtime time when language barrier was broken and they later knew it wasnt birni like they had thought it was already to late to change it. the name benin had already been imprinted to Europeans as benin city it was hard calling it the new name

This assertion can be proved because non of our neighbors had call us benin if true we had truly bore the name ubini or ile binu so how come it was only the Portuguese we had introduced the name only to, even when we conquered some areas even after the Portuguese arrival they had still maintained the corrupted form of edo( idu, ado)
It also not used in benin lexicon when a benin man identifes himself he identifes as ovbie edo
And never have they identified as ovbie binu " except the Portuguese were only the one who invented the name and had identified edo people as benin people, even without the benin people knowing they were been identified as benins by the Portuguese and not edo as thier name

Ile binu was just a construct by egharevba handwork to link benin with youruba ife people
Ife only became popular in the the early nigeria period as a result of artwork works found in ife it boasted the pretige of ife and it became a bedrock for thier mythology of thier history
Before then ife was not even recognize amongst yoruba at all


The fuuny things in this is our oba will still join them to say all this distorted history


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Mraphel

I agree with that it was the Portuguese who corrupted the name to Benin due to the difficulty in pronouncing ubinu, I Also agree with that the Benin don't introduce themselves as Benin because that word Benin is used to identify them foreigners.
I don't think the Benins have relationship with the yorubas except from the story of Izoduwa who the yorubas know as oduduwa.
Please be sure of your source of information during your research and you can also go to usen in edo state for more information if I may suggest. please keep us updated.

Mraphel:

Oba oranmiyan and Oba Eweka do not speak the Edo dialect. The initial palace language was Yoruba. It was the *Ogisos* native people i.e That speaks igodomigodo language.

Ado is the word, it was corrupted to Edo by the igodomigodo people

your ignorance is alarming...
Who is oranmiyan to eweka?
Who are the ogisos and what does it mean?
Who are the igodomigodos?
What does oba mean in Benin?
Does it make any sense to you that the palace speak different language from the people they precede over?
Where's oduduwa's family?
Why is it that is only in ife they practice oloku?
What is the conflict between the ooni of ife and aalafin of oyo ,oba of Lagos?

GreatResearcher1:
[s][/s]People like you made British what it is today. What have you done for Nigeria?

what has Nigeria done for me as a country?has it protected me?,has it given me any basic amenities?the answers are no......
What have I done for Nigeria?.. I have provided for myself and I have made a livelihood for myself, I have contributed to the gdp of the country without any assistance from the government.is only people that are living fat from the people's sweat that talk like you do....
Talking about British,please what relationship do I have with them?am I among the government who have lend their brains to the British?why do hypocrites like never seize to amaze me..

GreatResearcher1:
Well, it's not a continent. It's a country. The gaint of Africa

giant of Africa that don't even have something as simple as steady electricity,Nigeria is British company

The yorubas should provide the family of oduduwa because we all know that the ooni is not related to him

Even the Esama of Benin once claimed to be the oba of Benin in London

MetaPhysical:


Stop your uncivility on this thread.

The thread is self explanatory.

One of your partners that you have tabled as the early writers of your history and whose accounts is held in high regard said your Oba is a subject of a foreign and greater King to the East.

My quest here is not about Yoruba/Benin....but following logically to what your partner said, who is this Greater King that Oba of Benin gets his authority from in the East?

This is the goal of the thread. If you want to discuss Yoruba/Benin, there are threads for that.

Cc
TAO11

please were is the ogene and his kingdom located in the east?

AreaFada2:


A few Benin people were taken as slaves. Like narcotics today worldwide, one or two people will find a way to flout stringent laws risking even capital punishment.

The victims were usually communities on the fringes of Benin border with other non-Benin part of the empire. Usually areas nothing serious happens normally. So not militarily guarded.

I know this because preventing such rare ocassional raids into Benin was a big part of my family history.
There is also evidence of Benin clash or disagreement with Europeans long before 1897.

At Ughoton port, intelligence got to Benin that there were at times a couple of Benin people among slaves in cell blocks waiting for shipment.

So soldiers began to patrol the area more. To free any Benin they might have hidden among their transport to Ughoton. In case some escaped detection, at Night the soldiers will go to cell blocks asking if there were any Benin people.

If anyone spoke Benin they would break the cell open to free them. Generally all in the that broken cell would flee. Their lucky Day.
But that was a big economic loss to the Europeans. Because by agreement soldiers should not come to the cell area.

But Oba had a ready answer. That such an agreement only held water as long as no Benin person was held there.

If they have not kept their end of the bargain, Benin had no obligation whatsoever. Not even to keep the non-Benin inside the broken cells.

It lead to a serious between an Oba and Europeans. Something I'd prefer not to publicly state here.
Meanwhile Oyo Empire began to really flourish based on slave trade and Benin's economy suffered for refusing slave trade.

Benin even stopped trading with Europeans altogether as Europeans would only buy other things only if slaves were included.

People often cite Oba supporting slave trade in Lagos. That he supported Akintoye and supported Kosoko. Oba already did not control slave trade in territories or areas loyal to Benin.

Their had that autonomy already. He only supported the rule of his loyalists in their domains.

yes the disagreement has been there years before 1897 and the British has been looking for opportunity and planning for years on how to invade the kingdom,without Edo there would have been no Nigeria, the oba had influence on the other kings and because of this the British felt inferior and luck finally found them in 1897 during the igue festival

Mraphel:

What's the meaning?

check your mentions

Mraphel:

Edo still a Yoruba word from (Ado) which translates to new settlement.

Correction: Oba Eweka changed it to Ubinu not Edo

it was oranmiyan that named it ile ubinu ,oba eweka then named it after a slave boy who save his life.the agbor people call us 'idu ' so you should as well say the Benins came from them.We all have what we call other people in our different languages.you've still haven't answered my questions

TAO11:


I am sorry if I wasn't polite.

But those are loads of rhetorical questions.

They're emotional rants, sister.

Please cut it out.

they might be rhetorical questions to you but to me they are not.no knowledge is lost

Adebowale19:
The fight for the creation of Osun State Nigeria started in the 1950s. At that time, the current Osun State was under the Ibadan District Authority. The representatives of Osun West, East, and Central, submitted the petition to the British Colonial Government. They wanted to create an autonomy for Osun State. Moreover, they even proposed Oshogbo as the autonomy headquarters.The leaders of Osun State pursued this agenda up to 1951. Only the colonialists headed by H.L. Butcher, managed to settle down the leaders of Osun State. H.L. Butcher granted an autonomy for Osun District Towns on April 1st, 1951. After that, the leaders of Osun State had to wait more than 40 years for the creation of their state! Thanks

thanks, but wasn't Osun state calved from old oyo? Wasn't the creation of the state motivated by the aalafin of oyo because he refused ooni of ife supremacy over him?

Mraphel:

Don't know. Tell me the meaning of Benin?

I have told you the meaning of Benin so please tell me the meaning of yoruba.you can politely ask me for the meaning of oshodi and Eko in Benin and i will be glad to be of help

Mraphel:

Don't know. Tell me the meaning of Benin?

the original name of the Benin people were 'igodomigodo'then followed by 'ile ubinu' which was corrupted by the Portuguese to Benin .so technically Benin mean ile ubinu and ile ubinu means land of vexation in yoruba word,then it was changed to Edo by oba eweka.

Mraphel:

There was nothing like Yoruba but there's Oduduwa? Also there wasn't the word Benin before Oronmiyan grandson of oduduwa came to Benin.

oronmiyan's own was ' ile ubinu' it was the Portuguese who corrupted it to Benin.you know how Benin came about so tell me how that word 'yoruba 'came about and were are the oduduwa family in yoruba land?please also explained how ooni of ife was not a blue blood was crowned?

Mraphel:

That means in the past Benin were Yoruba. These modern Benin doesn't know the meaning of d names but yoruba people will tell you

tell me the meaning of oshodi,Eko,etc.if some modern Benins don't know some of the meanings doesn't make those names to be that of yoruba

Please why was Osun state created from oyo?

TAO11:


It's an unwritten rule that emotional rants will not be tolerated on this specific thread.

Please adjust.
Thanks!

this are not emotional rants but questions and facts directed to a specific person and not you

Mraphel:

Bini, Esan, Akoko ego Afenmai, igbanke , etc are tribes in Edo but Yoruba excluded.

you have to understand that there was nothing like yoruba and you have to go back to the grassroots to fully understand everything.

Mraphel:
These above questions comes to my mind about Edo state.



The Yorubas people are also native to Edo state like Esan, Afamai, Etc but why are edo people not giving Yoruba their deserved recognition in Edo state as a tribe in Edo state.

1. Many towns closed to Ore speaks the Yoruba language

2. Many towns in Akoko edo are yoruba migrants that settled in Edo state.

3. Many Yoruba kingship titles and chief titles in Edo state.

4. Many yoruba religions in Edo eg Ogun , Sango Oronmila, Ifa, Olokun , aiyelala etc

5. First oba of Bini (Yoruba) grandson of Oduduwa.

6. First onibilo of ibilo is Yoruba among others in Edo state

7. Many Edos bears Yoruba surnames



Then why are Edo people trying to put Yoruba at disadvantage in their Edo-state at all cost? These Edo yorubas are now afraid to bear Yoruba names because they will face discrimination of Jobs, tribe that will come with it...while the Edo people in Yoruba lands are not discriminated upon at all.

the names you claimed as yoruba names were initially Benin words or sentences which were corrupted by you people.

Mraphel:
Are yoruba and Edo the same, that can be used interchangeably in the state?

Are the Edos afraid of Yoruba dominance in Edo ?

is Edo a yoruba state?why do you people always feel entitled to what is not yours?if the yoruba speaking Edos claimed they are from yoruba and not Edo then they look for their entitlement in yoruba land.and it will interest your ignorant ass to know that all local government areas and villages have representatives in the palace no matter the language they speak.the great grandfather of the governor of the state was an igbo man and he was one of the reason why the iyase title was created .please try to do research before posting anything.

All this abroad people should stay one place,why are they this wicked knowing fully well Nigerians are barely surviving on their own