Shelloween:
giving your life to Jesus won't cure your depression, seek professional help.
every thing no be church matter.

No be church matter, na Jesus matter...
Giving your life to Jesus will cure depression. Most people claim to give their lives to him only by mouth. It is deeper than that.

eezeribe:
But in Europe and America, psychologists who don't know Jesus still treat people of depression, addiction, nervous breakdown and even greater mental problems...
It's only in Africa that religion is the solution to all problems, no wonder we are this backward and intellectually deficient...

But Jesus is the greatest psychologist...
He's healing those who come to him in truth. Jesus is not a symbol of backwardness.

WebSurfer:
Was born into this religion thing but was thankfully able to grow up.

Truth is that these people have become rather stupid with baseless prejudice than accepting facts intelligently

If you're calling people stupid because they believe Jesus can heal, then you're wrong. Because Jesus heals people every time.
I don't know what religion you were born into but if it's Christianity, then you must grow in it, not out of it. Many Christians remain babies and refuse to grow spiritually, which leaves them void and vulnerable.
Jesus heals.

kmcutez:


Because of people like the poster I quoted. There is no difference between Christians and non Christians. The non Christians are more ethical than the Christians, so safe to assume there is no power in Jesus to transform lives.

But Jesus still transforms life... We all have different battles in life and it takes more time for some to be free. Sometimes, it's a lifelong journey. That's why we are called a body in Christ to encourage one another. If you think a fellow brethren is doing wrong, encourage them in the love of Christ. The poster you quoted might not even be a Christian but even if he was, he's not necessarily out of line. Some criticisms are meant to keep us from stumbling in the future.
Do not be discouraged by the fact that some of us (Christians) stumble and fall sometimes. Remember, different battles for different folks but those who persevere and conquer the desires of the flesh will be called the children of God.
God bless you.

This is why the bro code is different from the brother code: brothers help brothers up, in the light of righteousness, towards an unending happiness, regardless the pain.

In those days when I was still a bro, I used to hate criticism and corrections because those who were fellow bros would support me no matter my wrongs. But now, you realize that those people you shut out of your life because they chastised you are, in reality, your real brothers.

But, we all learn the hard way.

This is the very reason why Buhari will emerge winner... If all those other people are allowed to contest, massive votes will be shared among them. But, the few votes Buhari will get will be enough to edge them out one on one.

I know not all of them will make it to election day, but they're building a momentum of confusion already.

zinizta:


sexual sins... i struggled and i am still struggling with...

however, experience has taught me two things fester it ...

1. sexual communications.... via music, videos,pictures,associations that are promote sex, pornography etc

avoid any vain music ... seemingly harmless music
delete from your ipods, phones etc

2. Looks of lust.... Male or Female, subconsciously we all do this but lets take a cue from the bible character ...

Job 31:1 in all English translations “I made a covenant with my eyes 31
not to look lustfully at a young woman.

Not an easy fight bro... but the holy spirit is our strength. We'll conquer.

Jeferious:
Chairman...your comment is the exact gospel. I dunno how people think they can be selective when it comes to do wrong. Lemme first of all state that I myself have made mistake.

There was a time I could watch porn like a cartoon and not think of wanking. In fact back I didn't know I could get sexual pleasure if I stimulate my organ myself. I knew about the word 'm@sturbation'...but then it was just a mere entry in the dictionary to me. I can't relate with it by real-life experience.

Then I had a girl who stole my virginity. I now became aware of the concept of sexual pleasure. Mind you, I'm past 18 when this happened. Before then, I don't know the difference between a man and a woman. We were all human beings, according to my thought system. And it took time before I yielded to that girl because I don't understand what she was trying to do to me. But then she eventually succeeded, and the story changed.

We f##ked like rabbits then(at least thrice a day), before going home for long vac. And it was during that particular long vac that I did my first masturbation, which was due to the fact that I had some dose of porn and have accumulated the urge for a while. Gradually I kept falling. Now I have contacts of several call-girls who attend to me at home on my phone and a number of normal girls who I lay with. And I have visited a brothel. More painful is the fact that someone must have done abortion for me.

Right now, there is no sin I can't commit, so far as it would help me quench my primal urge, but deep down I know this isn't the right way. Humans are called higher animals for a reason. If we go about quenching every single primal hunger that we feel within us, then we are definitely in the same grade with goats, dogs, rats...and every other animal that we think we have an edge over. Even the kind sex sef is overrated. I never collect award for all my fucker¥.

Once again, you are on point.

Tnx boss... we're all sinners, chasing redemption.
Even I am fighting my own demons day after day, hoping to break free from the cycle of 'back and forth'.
God help us...

Gerrard59:


Morality is different from religion. Morality is subjective. To you, having sex before marriage is immoral, however it's not same to me.

@Post: One doesn't have to be very religious or even religious to be chaste. It's all about being determined not to have sex.

True, morality is subjective and quiet distinct from religion. But we can't go ahead and use that as a justification for any of our acts, whether they look harmless or not. Believe me, a serial rapist or killer is morally upright in his own rights and if he's given enough time to defend his actions, it will boil down to the fact that he has an incessant urge within him to kill/rape, thus, he succumbs.
It's true, we don't need religion to be chaste neither are religious people necessarily chaste. But, that's the difference between a man who really takes it upon himself to fight his primal urges (for some, it is premarital sex; others, stealing, cheating, raping, killing...) and a man who surrenders to such urges.
Religion helps those who are willing...

hopefulLandlord:


@bolded, You're pulling a fallacy called "Slippery Slope"

Those that think premarital sex is okay aren't just being dictated to by "Oyinbos" and those Oyinbos didn't just wake up one morning and declared it okay then started trying to convince "blacks" to do the same. they arrived at it by thinking deeply and logically, they can defend the reasons when facing oppositions and argue their case, gather evidence that supports them and address opposing arguments
This was how they got rid of slavery even though major religions around the world endorsed it or had nothing against slavery

Now let me address this point "There was a time when people kept themselves till marriage, premarital sex was frowned upon and it did not breed a generation of dummies."

This is a terrible look at history. premarital sex has always been with us. nobody influenced us into having premarital sex, its just that it was much more hidden and district in the past compared to now. Also marriage those days are much earlier and as soon as a girl has her first menses she's being pimped out for marriage or future marriage which brings its own unique issues

Morality isn't set in stone. even if you go by religious books like the bible you'd see the morality in Old Testament differs a lot from the morality in the New Testament. morality would continue to change and there's nothing any religion can do about it. religion can slow or attempt to slow it down but at the end they're fighting a lost battle

Slippery slope, maybe... but, you have to admit that if the legalization of abortion could face such a stern opposition despite the logical thinking and enlightenment of man, it is because many of us never believed such a thing could become so trivial it would be passed into law. Yea, that's what immorality does... it slowly unfolds, revealing layers of atrocities, never thought of.
It is true that premarital sex is not a new thing but as you also noted, it was an act that was discreet and most probably frowned upon. The discreteness alone will cause deterrence for many, who otherwise, will plunge into the act without remorse. Alas, the discreteness is fading now. We are no more frowning. Instead, we are endorsing it, by creating captivating terminologies such as 'sex education' (you also hear something like 'control parenting')...
My point on Africans being influenced by the whites was made in reference to what the other person said, when he claimed that African mentality will not let us advance to the point of logically thinking that premarital sex is not immoral.
But, the fact remains that, whether we're following the path of the white or not, we'll give the same reasons they gave if we're going to be logical about premarital sex.
Lastly (and I apologize for the long epistle) my religion, Christianity, teaches us to live a morally upright and holy life regardless of changing world order. You're right, the old and new testament differ in many 'moral' regards, but this was done to make life easier for us, by the coming of Jesus Christ... (this might become esoteric so I'll stop unless you're willing I continue.)
P.S... The Bible is not a book that revolves around holy people and morally upright people. In fact, most of great people we revere were people who fell short and the Bible shows us these flaws and teaches us not to make same mistakes.
Religion - Christianity, if I'm to be precise - is not fighting a battle against moral civilization or change in worldly beliefs, it teaches us how to live uprightly, regardless.
So, premarital sex is a norm, has always been... but, it is a urge that we must fight.
I'm really sorry for the long read, if you bothered to.

Akjwyzepal:
having romance or sex means you're not keeping yourself holy. If you are looking at it from a religious point of view. Then please don't quote me. We have several religious views even if we're of the same religion understanding of sermon or interpretation can differ. All in all getting things necessary is not a bad idea.
B4 u can even preach to me u must be able to show l me proof u relate with only virgins and you're a Virgin. Mind you sex is very very overated.

Religious POV or not, I doubt my reply to your comment was esoteric. Lemme rephrase, premarital sex is immoral, no matter how much sex education you get. There was a time when people kept themselves till marriage, premarital sex was frowned upon and it did not breed a generation of dummies.
Now, however, it's a norm to get laid whether you're married or not, even in Africa here... you also see legalization of abortion becoming a thing (of course we will join the train, lest they insult us of having African mentality)... and if in the future, killing of innocent children becomes a norm, we'll join the train too because, as parents, we are free to decide whether we want a child or not.
If you justify an immoral act, be ready to ride the train all along, because immorality is a cankerworm.
By the way, I'm not a virgin... I'm not married either. I've made mistakes I hope not to make again. It's not religion. It's morality. The topic is clear.

bennynaza:
The Most Powerful Hymn for a Believer.

Too bad I believe no more.

Why sir, if I may ask?

Akjwyzepal:
African mentality always come to play. @op There's something called sex education
2. Nobody wants to marry a dummy
3. We're all humans we all have urges. Reason why most good girls end up with unwanted pregnancy is accumulated urge? No or improper sex education.
4. In this journey of life get what you want legitimately. If you feel u have high libido and u can't control it have sex. Legitimately though
5. Stop being an hypocrite. U can't deceive yourself
6. Animals mate. So it's not a big deal if humans have sex or romance.
7. When you have sex dopamine is released this same toxin is released when people take hard drugs. It helps u to think faster and also relax the brain and aids sound sleep.
8. Life becomes hard when you don't make it simple.

Do you know a serial killer can be acquitted if he uses all your points to defend himself? Our journey in life is all about trying to conquer our urges and that's what differentiates us from animals. The institution of marriage is like any other, a learning process - getting married as a virgin doesn't make you a dummy.
Sex education is simple... Keep thyself holy at all times.

Hafeexla:
why bullshit ma, people like me have been begging you to empower me and you didn't even think of helping' it is when someone start a sympathy story that you will offering to help

She owes you nothing sir... She owes him nothing as well. He asked for an advice and he has gotten good and bad ones. I think there is a lesson in there for you too.

Brilliant post... Thanks.

Purewatermeji:
The reasons criminals like Adeboye and Oyedepo continues to thrive is that the ignorance of the populace benefits the politicians and fraudulent pastors. Every Sunday all churches are filled with empty headed worshipers repeating the same prayer points every day without realizing that their destiny is in their hands. Africans will rather go to church and mosques to pray for manners to fall from heaven. The most selfish continent in the world adding no productive output and value to humanity. We have been praying for decades yet our level of development cannot match countries with less religiosity and natural resources. We import everything and yet get angry when the west tells us to marry same gender. China is the largest economy right now and the factory of the world. The reason why their government is clamping down on religion and encouraging research in science and technology. No western nations dare dictate or enforce their beliefs on china because they liberated themselves economically. Instead of the brain dead leaders in Abuja to sponsor and encourage research in science and technology, they will rather spend billions of naira on pilgrimages to Saudi Arabia and Israel while the gullible masses continue to lavish in poverty and under-development. Africa is a cursed continent filled with greedy and mentally lazy idiots parading as political and religious leaders

Your backwardness is not a result of Christianity. The fact that Africa decides to use the worship of God for their sinister motives is a blemish on Africans, not Christianity. Just like every other good thing that you've been served, you've bastardized Christianity. See the educational sector, see everywhere... Churches are filling up, but few people are living a holy life, as preached. We have genuine pastors who are bent on teaching people the right thing. They don't force you to give... Naturally, a good clergyman will produce great men with good integrity in his church. Is it not only normal that he be rewarded. You make your congregation live well on earth and prepare for heaven. If you don't believe the latter, at least you belief in living a good life. That's what Christianity preaches. If we change the nature of Christianity, it is our own fault and an habit we've become used to.

Things are not going well at home... An unstable cabinet and the lack of a subtle strategy is ruining their FP. This is the highlight of a morally corrupt empire at the verge of peril. If it's not today, it will be tomorrow.

Anyway, the signs are here... Be ready.

Kotodoctor:
How do you tell Nigerians that this is not a right focus. My father use to say poor man pickin de get sense. Our is a developing nation. But that's is because it's a politically correct way of telling use we are in a shot hole.


Instead of use using blueprints of other advance countries to develop ourselves, we are busy endulging and triggering more of our pleasure sense.

Poor man pickin de get sense. Nigerians youth make una use una brain. This no be show to capture una focus. UNA go go church and listen to una pastor preach about right focus. And power of focus. But here we are.

See the kind of conversation we are having. Even if them do us...even if dem blow am for our eye. We no fit vex..charge free ourselves from this sex madness?

For music he de there. Only us go followup with porn
Sex doll nkor...wetin self.?

Money no de money no de...see wetin una de spend time money and data on...

UNA no de try oo...I cheek you guys not...una no de try.

Truth... Pls don't stop the message. Things must change.

chocorex:


no, they ain't failing. it's like you not liking football and says because u don't like it. it will not make your nation grow because people focus on watching football. theres nothing like price they paid. the bbn u condem has many positives , talk about the positives and the life it changes as u talk the negative. do u know how many families have been saved from poverty indirectly? do you know how many careers have been made? the ebuka today won't be ebuka if he wasn't on this show years ago. broke efe won't be a millionaire if not for this show. how much does the govt gives the best students? it's an adult show. im sure u dont have access to dstv. u c ppl de comment Imorality, u follow.

Yea, famous kidnappers and killers won't be who they are too if they didn't do what they did. And they probably won't be able to feed their families too...
These things aren't justifiable. Wrong is wrong and the fact that society has accepted it doesn't mean it is right.

Sexual immorality is killing us and we're barely aware of it. You can't justify a show that promotes such. Our development won't be built on few people enjoying the 'positive' side of the show, while millions continue to be drawn into the normalcy of such abnormality.
Our development will start when we uphold values and morals. That's when you have people who are morally upright, taking up leadership posts. People who will see the wrong in cheating and corruption. A sane society.

Yes, you're right. I don't have DSTV, but I watch interesting football matches; and I don't think you can use football as an analogy to justify your BBN. Try porn or genocide.

chocorex:

guy other countries like USA host reality show and even act porn, Great Britain name them. and their country still flourish. don't use the fact that 20 people left the country for bbn to look for an excuse. u can be in your office making millions while u follow the show. it don't stop u. who wants to grow go grow. I'm not a full fan to the show but truth be told

Are we other countries? Do you know the price they paid for their development?
Immorality condemns the mind. That's why all those countries you mentioned above have started failing as superpowers. Very soon, the table will turn and the likes of US and UK will pay for the immorality they've allowed to corrode their system.
I know the govt won't do anything about it (they never do anything about anything anyway), and the ppl who participate in the show are not even my problem. But, immorality is prevalent in our society and we can't achieve any development if we continue this way.
Of course, those who don't engage in any immoral act can decide to ignore these things but the society at large will keep crumbling and it will still affect everyone at the end of the day.

Is he a king in exile or...

Exaggerated title... We can be better than this.

Anyway, no better time to say this to my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ: As the society continues to challenge our faith; as the rumors of wars are growing, we have only one weapon: a holy life, free from sin and all immorality. It's high time we separated ourselves from the ills if the society.

Speaking directly to Freeze or his followers is just a waste of precious time. Because his problem is not Christianity or doctrine. His problem is more behavioural then any other thing. He's a condescending person and will still attack the church even if they do everything he suggests. If there were no church, he'd find something else to criticize.
I've seen this behavior in many people. Sometimes, it starts from childhood as a behavioural pattern and grows to this stage.

But for Christians, you should know these kind of people will come and question your faith. Some will even persecute you. The only weapon you have as a Christian is your lifestyle: a holy and morally upright lifestyle.
Fire does no harm to the righteous; it makes them shine brighter.

Femmedy:


Tithe has always been a personal thing for me. No pastor has ever compelled or force any of his congregation to pay tithe. The same way non-payment of tithe agitators cannot force those who pay tithe regularly to do otherwise. We are all free to do what we deem fit. What works for "A" might not work for "B" and vice versa

It's a good thing we have this kind of disagreements. If not for anything, it makes us to realize our level of commitment and understanding.
The problem is most people don't even have any real conviction about their faith (tithe payers and non tithe payers included). Many people are only paying because they're subjected to some kind of shameful treatment in the church. It is wrong. We need to understand that giving to the church is not compulsory. But when you gain meaningfully from your pastor, it is just right to reward him.
But nowadays, many pastors have deviated from the true teachings of holiness and they keep promising the members prosperity even when they continue in their sin. It is very wrong. So, many people go to church but their spiritual lives remain unchanged either because the pastor does not lead them to righteousness or they themselves are just not ready to yield.

don4real18:


First of all, Abraham giving to Melchizedek have no spiritual backing... If using Abraham as an example, there are other things he did that you are not following. And you should know that he gave melc a portion of his war spoils just because he wanted to.
Any pastor asking for tithes is wrong, a manipulator or lacks understanding of the scriptures.
Firstly, they are not Levites... The early church never collected it. Peter, Paul and even Jesus.
So, why will our born and bred Naija pastors that have no tie with Levites claim suddenly that they are supposed to collect our tithes.

I noted the voluntariness in payment of tithe. No pastor should enforce it on his church because enforcing it means adhering to the old laws.
But, you're free to pay/give your tithe to your pastor or any priest that leads you in the path of righteousness; not because it is his right, but because he deserves it.
Some things are worth doing and they go beyond the law. Just like the issue of faith. Abraham is the father of faith and we are supposed to follow his great example. But, of course, faith and tithes are two different things. (One is the whole basis of our relationship with God, while the other is an appreciation to the servants of God.)
It is not compulsory. And don't pay your tithe because you expect prosperity or blessing, pay it because you appreciate your pastor. And live a holy life.

perryy:


Abraham never paid tithe, he gave tithe. There is a difference between giving and paying. In paying, you are boud by the law to do so, but in giving, you are doing so out of your free will and not under compulsion. Moreover, Abraham only gave once. Now, was it only once the Jews were asked to pay tithe ? Simply no. The one pastors collect from their members, is it once in a lifetime like that of Abraham? Simply no. The ones pastors collect is similar to the one collected by the Levites, that is to say, Christians are still paying tithes like the Jews under the law.

Is it not surprising that the Jews whom the law was given no longer pay tithe , but the Christians whom the law was not given at all are the ones holding tenanciously to tithing.

I noted the voluntariness in payment of tithe. No pastor should enforce it on his church because enforcing it means adhering to the old laws.
But, you're free to pay/give your tithe to your pastor or any priest that leads you in the path of righteousness; not because it is his right, but because he deserves it.

Tollzara:
From the Old Testament God of war, terror, genocide, fury, anger and serial killing, to the New Testament God of unconditional love, sheepishness, foolishness, meekness and pacifism.

You still think your God doesn't change? Not only does he change----whenever he does, it has a 100% range.

Such a capricious, irrational deity is too unreliable and inconsistent to be trusted. He might change into something different again tomorrow. His words can't be trusted.

He is the same God... He will surely visit destruction on the wicked. And he will forever exalt the righteous. Your Bible is an account of how God dealt with generations after generations of people. The dynamics doesn't define God; it defines man's relationship with God.

There's a purpose for all and an account will be given at the end of the day. Each, according to his deeds, shall be judged. So, I encourage you to give your life to Christ. Let him lead you to God, through righteousness and Holiness.

achiever12:


I understand your point, but I think giving shouldn't even be under the guise of a tithe.

And also, Abraham gave tithe to Melchizedek only once, not every Sunday or every month.

I appreciate your reply. And you're right; giving shouldn't be under the guise of tithe, given the abuse of it by some pastors...
Above all, a holy life is what is required of us all. And it is the only ticket to salvation.

kabrud:

These are the preachers popping up from nowhere when it comes to heeboes but you will never see them when heeboes do worse to other tribes. Why is it so difficult to take what you happily give others? Sure, the problem is actually the imbs that share and like your comment but refuse to do same for him while at the same time liking and sharing vitriols poured at other tribes by heeboes.

Lol... I'm all against insensitive comments that are not true. It is not a tribe thing, sir. I see it every day on nairaland. Some people just post insensitive things, with no epitome of Truth and people are quick to praise them. Many nairalanders even look forward to such comments (don't want to mention names, though a few come to mind). I'm coming from the moral angle.
By the way, I didn't pop up from nowhere; I'm a Yoruba boy.

chysam:




So why did christ and the apostles and early christians chose to abandon tithing that preceeded the law？ Why did Paul make it clear that it has nothing absolutely to do with christians and he taught his followers about freewill giving？
Why is it up to modern day pastors to remind their followers that tithing predates the law even when nothing like that is stated in the bible？ Whose theory is this？

Jesus and the apostles werd the first christian leaders,and any christian must follow their footsteps,they operated and lived at a time tithe was paid and received by non christian judaism religion,but they as christians neither paid nor received because they were not quified nor entitled to do so. So when did this become a christian tradition if christian originators and progenitors rejected it？

Well, there's no compulsion to paying tithe. Pastors who claim it as their right are wrong.
My point, however, is that, if Abraham paid tithe to Melchizedek, (probably a thousand year before Moses) then you can chose to pay your tithe as well; but not out of compulsion, which is what Paul preaches against. It is true that Paul emphasized the abolition of the old laws, which includes compulsory tithe payment to the levites... So, if your pastor claims it as a Levitical right, he's wrong. But, out of sheer gratitude, you can pay your tithe to support your pastor.
Note my point again: it is not compulsory and it pains me to see pastors claiming it as a right. Because they do so, basing their claim on the Levitical regulations; in which case, they have no right to take tithes, because the entirety of Mosaic law needed change.
Most Nigerian pastors are of the habit of segregating their church members on the issue of tithe, which is wrong. This is what pains me.

achiever12:


Tithe has no connection with Christianity. The upkeep of the pastor is well described in the new testament. It isn't through tithe but through normal free-will giving. I'm sure you know where such things are written in the scriptures.

Well, there's no compulsion to paying tithe. Pastors who claim it as their right are wrong.
My point, however, is that, if Abraham paid tithe to Melchizedek, (probably a thousand year before Moses) then you can chose to pay your tithe as well. It is true that Paul emphasized the abolition of the old laws, which includes compulsory tithe payment to the levites... So, if your pastor claims it as a Levitical right, he's wrong. But, out of sheer gratitude, you can pay your tithe to support your pastor.
Note my point again: it is not compulsory and it pains me to see pastors claiming it as a right. Because they do so, basing their claim on the Levitical regulations; in which case, they have no right to take tithes, because the entirety of Mosaic law needed change.
Most Nigerian pastors are of the habit of segregating their church members on the issue of tithe, which is wrong. This is what pains me.