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TheEminentLaity:
I know scholastica16 has earned legendary status here as a prime contributor to this thread but if we are being honest, he started with the low blows and continued with the insults. Am I surprised that nobody called him out on repeated use of abrasive words, or even editing someone else's comment to one that is insulting? Not in the slightest or are we not nigerians again?

Hi, can you please never mention me again? Thanks!

CuteRedd:
you know the beautiful thing is that we all mean well and the end result is actually geared towards helping the person(the OP) as best as we can. I think we should all move pass this. I also know when the OP reads all the contributions here he/she would have gotten his/her answer which would enable him/her make the necessary decision.

You are 1000% correct.

Time2win:
That is your understanding and doesn't make it right or what the poster meant. Only the poster can tell what he actually meant. For me, i love the reply from bracelum, it augment what you said while you are saying bracelum got the question wrong. I won't agree with you on that.

Actually, I got the question right even if that may not be what the poster meant. Translation is subject to whomever is reading it but not transliteration. A good example is your post that I highlighted. I was the one being accused of being completely wrong whereas I have maintained that the other answer is surplus to requirement. Just like someone here made an allegation that I attacked first when the evidence is against this. A lot of people just read into whatever they are already biased about and side in with it. Normal level.

Time2win:
Your answer is coming as if the poster is asking if low GRE score will be a stigma for getting a job after school. We all know GRE can be retaken and the poster is asking if low score affects once chances so as to know if he can retake it now that he has the chance. I love the explanation dummy gave and it answers the guy's question well. Some consulting firm still request for it while some don't.

LOL. Because that is the question the poster asked. If you like your guy's post it is within your right to but it does not make it the right answer. I am not twisting any logic. My explanation only makes your guy's own, pleonastic. I get it.

MasterforceII:
"Idiot", "daft". Wrong choice of words bro. You have made your point. Please, let's move on.

Cheers.

LOL. Let me tell you how the logic works; maybe if I say "idiot, daft" first nobody will think I am describing myself. It is like the person who farted asking "why is this place smelling"?

Time2win:
Though your points are valid. dummy is still very right in all he said. The poster asked if low GRE affects ones chances in getting a job after graduation for those in business school. What Bracelum said is the right answer to it. He gave a comprehensive explanation on how low GRE can affect your chances of getting a job in some firm and the firms that doesn't need it. You both should just disagree to agree, we are one family.

Do you know that the capital of Somalia is Mogadishu? I have also made a correct statement as well but guess what: it does not answer your own post above. That is the difference between posting correct but extraneous information and answering the question put at you.

If the poster asked: will my low test scores affect my chances of getting an internship or a job? The answer will be yes, for some jobs. (I said it here before it started posting). But was that the question? No. The question was about low GRE scores and this person is wondering if it will be a stigma on him going forward.

My question to you is, how can something be a stigma to me if I can do without it? Let me ask a comparative question to show clarity. Will a low undergrad GPA affect my chances of getting into Harvard? The difference between the 2 questions is, whether Harvard accepts you or not, you are bound to include your undergrad GPA but for the former, you can make that application without even including the low GRE at all.

The implication is, the low GPA will definitely be a factor in their decision-making because they must of necessity see it, but the low GRE on the other hand does not because you can take it out of your application and replace it with something else.

So here is a slight re-enactment of the logic;
Will my low GPA affect my chances of getting into grad school? Yes, it will because most schools have minimum requirements which they adhere strictly to and you must include it in your application....

Will my low GRE affect my chances of getting into grad school? No, because you can (apply to schools who do not require it, retake it, or submit another test score that is acceptable to them) so they would not even get to see it.

Synopsis, Can low test scores affect...yes they can for certain jobs that require it. Can low GRE affect, no it won't because you can submit something else. Test scores are compared to GPA here being fixtures for some jobs. GRE is not a fixture here because it can be replaced.

Jeez

I skimmed through and realized you are still asking yourself your own questions and answering your own questions. A recycle stream of hopelessness.

This is why people fail exams. Here is the poster's question:

Does a low GRE score affect one's ability to get a good internship or job prospect after study especially for those in business school?
Or what does it affect apart from admission?

The poster did not ask for test scores where your windy drivel would have sufficed. He did not ask for GMAT where you would have told him to try to retake it even after getting an admit. He asked for GRE.

I told him that his low GRE score will not affect his chances. Why? Because he has a viable alternative. He only needed the GRE to get an admit. Now that he has it, if he was applying for a role where his test scores were required he can simply take the GMAT to bolster his chances. The weak GRE how will it now limit him? Is he bound to include his GRE if he has a GMAT?

Now compare that to one's undergrad GPA. Even if you had 4.0 in MSc, 4.0 PhD, 4.0 MBA etc you will still be bound to tender your undergrad GPA. If that GPA was weak (2.5/4.0) for instance, then one could argue that it could affect their chances of getting a job that wanted an undergrad GPA of say > 3.5 simply because you do not have an alternative for it.

That is why when CuteRedd mentioned GMAT, I immediately pointed at the disparity between GMAT and GRE as the question was about GRE.

You are trying too hard to appear learned but you are coming off as contrived, attention-seeking and for the most part insipid. Don't you think you should first understand what the argument is about, then employ logical reasoning before trying to pass off information you gobbled up like the lemming that you are?

bracelum:
Finally, you've clearly displayed your ignorance. Again, I repeat, if you don't know anything, keep your damn mouth shut! You are just sounding like an illiterate trying to recite Newton's Law.

Let me educate you - when consulting firms recruit business students for strategy/management consulting roles, they ask for test scores which includes GMAT and GRE! However, they mostly prefer the GMAT to the GRE but that doesn't mean they don't look at your GRE.

And remember the emphasis on strategy and management consulting because these consulting firms do not care about test scores from students applying to specialized/technical consulting roles such as technology and data analytics. Even some HR consulting firms do not bother for test scores from business school candidates. So, the test scores issue is strictly for elite strategy/management consulting firms.

So, McKinsey for instance, will definitely look at your GMAT and/or GRE score while recruiting for their management consulting roles but they do not bother about your test scores while recruiting for their data science consulting roles.

So, you tried to turn the goalpost by telling me that at least one of your friends wrote the GMAT - I know this is bullshit and just an attempt to sound logical even after saying gibberish. But interestingly, your friend (if that is true in the first place) could have still gotten into that strategy consulting role (assuming he/she is in strategy consulting) even with that GRE score (I know this sounds like a surprise to you, hahaha. That was why I said you sounded illogical in your previous comment).

So, in summary, some consulting firms look at your GMAT or GRE scores when recruiting business school students but they prefer the GMAT. When recruiting PhDs, it is a different ball game. Therefore, I just clearly nullified your assertion that companies do not care about the GRE scores of business students.

And when I say some consulting firms, I mean the elite firms such as MBB, AT Kearney and co. Big 4 and niche consulting firms hardly give two fvcks about your test scores because hardly a Grade A MBA student in an elite school desires to work in consulting for a big 4 firm.

I know it is sad to be ridiculed infront of your fans. I know it is hard to say "I don't know this" in front of people who think you know it all. But when it comes to issues like this, it is very good to sit down and learn from people that know better than you.

So keep your mouth shut and stop spilling trash just to sound like you know what you're saying. Your fans will understand that you don't know it all.

Nonsense!!!!

LOL. You don't have time, you won't waste time... but found time to write another long pile of beautiful garbage. Everything you are saying will make sense to another question but not the one the original poster put forward.

pragya2017:
Does a low GRE score affect one's ability to get a good internship or job prospect after study especially for those in business school?
Or what does it affect apart from admission?

Thank you

You are trying so hard to hide your illogic behind many words but true to style - you have just out-rubbished your last sh*t post. Even from part of your hogwash, you already answered the question. If some firms ask for test scores you can take the GMAT for that very purpose. Your low GRE score that you used to secure an admit will not matter. There is no GMAT and GRE. That is sophistry. They will not ask for GRE to go with GMAT.

Now if your GRE score was toppest percentile and you feel there is no need to take the GMAT, you can provide them that score. But it does not answer the original poster's question because it is not a LOW GRE score.

In all of these, the GRE as it were is not playing any role beyond deciding whether one has to take the GMAT or not. So how is it going to affect anyone's chances? You are sounding like the GRE is some fixture like a GPA that one cannot do without. It is not. Something more valuable than it, to the recruiters, exists and can be used in lieu of it. Logic 101; it cannot affect my chances if I can do without it.

BTW, I am flummoxed by your brilliance. Not until this very moment did I realise that one could spew thrash and shut their mouths up whilst typing with their hands. I feel educated already.

bracelum:
Mtchew!
Spending much time talking about this is a waste of my time.

You're even contradicting yourself. So you agreed that GMAT plays a role in consulting recruitment. Then you went ahead and said GRE is not necessary to enter consulting. So are you trying to say that if a consulting firm advertises summer internship roles, and receive applications from GMAT and GRE candidates, they will review the test scores of applicants that wrote GMAT and then ignore test scores of those that wrote GRE? Does that sound logical? Don't even bother to respond - I can't waste precious time talking with someone that knows nothing about something and still feels like he knows it.

This is what happens when you don't know something but you never agree to admit you don't know it.

Have a great weekend - bye!

Don't put your hand in your toilet bowl and post it here as a comment hoping it won't be sh*t. GRE and GMAT are not the same. I conceded that GMAT plays a role but I said GRE does not. They are not the same exams and they don't even test the same things which is what I was pointing out to CuteRedd. One is generic (which is why business schools can accept it for ADMISSION purposes) but the other is specific and meant for ONLY business schools. Now you can tell why consulting firms could be fixated on one but not the other for JOB purposes.

Before you started posting feces, you said a few friends of yours retook what? GRE or GMAT? That was my point. If someone wanted to get into some consulting firm, they went on to take or retake the GMAT not GRE to bolster their chances. That is why I told you that 3 people I know on here who are in consulting firms had <306 GRE scores, how? Because some (at least 1 of them) took the GMAT. I can't argue with someone who does not even know what is being argued in the first place. Some people call them fools, but I would not.

bracelum:
Hi,

The question was "does a low GRE affect internship or job prospects in a business school?" Your answer is totally wrong because consulting firms and investment banks take test scores into consideration when recruiting business students. Tech firms do not. I know you didn't know about this and there is nothing bad acknowledging that you didn't know about it.

Thanks!

Read someone's previous posts to get a general sense about who they are and what they know. It will save you the stress associated with preaching to the choir. For instance, this information about GMAT is not new. The poster who asked that question could have easily Googled it as cyberspace is rife with the impact of GMAT in recruitment purposes for consulting firms. As for GRE, it is pure and undiluted zobo.

If it is worth your time, create a thread and ask nairalanders who are in such firms what roles their GRE played in it. If they were even asked about it to begin with. There are at least 3 people who used to be on this thread who are either interning there as we speak or are on full-time appointments. I am talking McKinsey, BAIN, I forget the last one but my mind is saying E&Y. Of the 3 of them, none scored higher than 306 in the GRE. I am giving fax...no printer.

CuteRedd:
Nigeria isn’t the USA .... bracelum explains it beautifully.


bracelum:


It affects you if you're going to strategy/management consulting or investment banking. Some consulting firms like MBB, AT Kearney, BAH, Oliver Wyman (I think) look at your GMAT score. Yes, they prefer GMAT to GRE for those strategy consulting roles. Investment banks too do the same but if you network well, they might overlook it. Some of my MBA friends retook the GMAT either before they started their MBAs or during their first terms just before consulting recruitment started in October-December/January. Big 4 consulting firms do not really care about your GRE score. However, their consulting practices are not as prestigious as MBB.

Also for entry-level analyst roles, some consulting firms ask for SAT or ACT scores and for graduate students with no SAT scores, they usually seek for GMAT/GRE scores. However, your chances of an analyst position in top consulting firms is very slim for a graduate student with >1 year work experience.

But if you're targeting tech firms, they don't really bother about your GRE/GMAT and GPA. Big 4 consulting firms do not really bother about your GRE/GMAT.

That is the whole gist. It depends on your career path

https://www.qsleap.com/gmat/resources/role-of-gmat-score-in-management-consulting-recruitment

Was the question about GRE or GMAT? Even your link addressed GMAT. GMAT/ GRE is an invention not introduced either by your link or anything available here as they are not the same. If the question was, what role does GMAT play. The answer then will be, some consulting firms etc still ask for it. But if the question is about GRE, I can categorically tell you, it plays no dot of a role. Anyways, when you get here, you will experience why.

user4321:
So I wrote my GRE Today,
For a little back story, I just graduated a little over three months ago, and got a job immediately as a software engineer, at a fast moving company, with periodic crazy deadlines. So, I had to squeeze in time during mornings at nights to prepare, and learn as much vocabulary as I could.
Fast forward to test Day, I arrived at Dragnet prometric 2 hours before the test, did a quick review, and was first on the line. Got the quant section first, let's just say, it was deadlier than I thought, too many geometry problems, and i loathe euclidean circle geometry a lot. I moved on to the verbal; few mistakes here and there, but I just basically free styled.
At the end of the test, I was assured that I had done very terribly, and was superbly afraid to click "report scores". Then I clicked
QUANTITATIVE - 163
VERBAL - 161
TOTAL - 324
I feel i did terrible in the quant, as i focused too much on the verbal during prep, but I hope to never write GRE ever again, I accept my 324 "laidat".
Profile
Bsc. Electrical and Electronics Engineering
GPA - 4.74/5
WES (UNOFFICIAL) 3.82/4.0
GRE - 324 ( Q-163 V-161)
SCHOOLS
STANFORD UNIVERSITY -PHD
UT AUSTIN - PHD
RICE - PHD
CMU AFRICA - MSC


cc- scholastica16 quoran

Your profile is set as it is. You know the cliché; Strong SOPs, good LORs etc and you are good. Stanford is a real hard sell but the other 2 schools are achievable. Like most people said, add more schools to that list like UIUC, Washington state, Colorado Boulder etc (of that cadre). Everything really is not about rankings. When you get here, you will know why. Cheers. You are one very smart chap.

pragya2017:
Does a low GRE score affect one's ability to get a good internship or job prospect after study especially for those in business school?
Or what does it affect apart from admission?

Thank you

As soon as you have been admitted into a University, your GRE score does not matter. It is just like asking what role UTME score plays in getting an internship or a job in Nigeria.

Time2Smile:
Congratulations. Personally I think you should choose UNT. Denton is a northern suburb of Dallas. Dallas is one of the emerging tech hubs with real good paying jobs and openings.
I would want to teach you to game the system but you can always "master out".

I was going to suggest that to him. Passions can change after 2 years. Who knows?

solihp:
Per month kwa, is there any school that can do that?. It's per annum

New York University's MBA program gave someone I know $5000/month stipend. They waived her whole $71k tuition (for 2 years as well).

Edit; I believe the college of business is called STERN.

CptCharlesVane:
Rejecting because of another offer?

Yea, he said so earlier.

solihp:
Per month kwa, is there any school that can do that?. It's per annum

You will still need some more money but at all at all na im bad pass.

Georgia State is a good school.

solihp:
Hello everyone, I just wanted to inform the house that I have been admitted into the MS in Mathematics with concentration in Biostatistics in Georgia State University
It came with graduate assistantship: Full tuition waiver and 5k annual stipends

Very good! Congratulations!

Congrats Pierre92, As you can see, you did not need to retake the GRE to secure full funding. Washington State is a good school. A lot of Uni of Washington rejects which are also MIT, Stanford etc rejects go there...lol.

As for people asking for his profile, he posted it here..go through his posts.

scipy:
GUys, I just got an admit for USF
Elect/Elect

Praying funding follows

PhD or MSc?

doziej84:
My brother, the thing tire me sef....I've got 2 admits(PhD).....no funding.

Who knows if it's because I submitted unofficial scores of Transcript, GRE & TOEFL?......but it was explicitly stated on the school website, that one can submit officials after admittance.

My diastole & systole contraction rate has been on the increase, and these schools aren't helping matters.

Nobody will advise you to ever do a PhD in the US on your own and no serious school will even admit you without funding. So just relax..or better still communicate with the grad coordinator.

doziej84:
Like how long between admission notification, and notification of funding?

Depends again on the school. Some schools it is almost immediate, for some it is not. RPI for e.g, they took about 1 or 2 months to fund someone on this thread.

fatsonm:
Pls house what's the difference between masters of philosophy Mphil and masters of science Msc?

MPhil is not popular in the US because they have the direct PhD route.

FA13:
Good day everyone,
When you are offered admission (PhD) with no word on funding, do you accept it first before seeking funding or the other way round?

Depends on the school. Some schools admit you first and after a while, communicate funding decisions.

Nobody should do a PhD in the US without funding. It is your right to ask for it.

Editted

Yildiz:
Good morning all,
I recently sent a prof. at cleveland state university an email for an opening in his lab but he did not response. Just today I saw an email for the department Chair offering me a teaching assistantship. The offer came as an attached pdf file with my name on the letter. He also sent me an advert to apply to the department. On the teaching assistantship pdf, part of the conditions is for me to apply to the the school. I am just confused about the whole thing. He gave me 9 days to accept the offer.
First of all his email checks out on the department website. How should I proceed please.

They want you to apply to them. What is confusing about it? They probably had someone reject them and your profile makes them feel you are a great fit to replace the person. So when he saw your profile he spoke with the department chair and they offered you the provisional admission. Provisional because you have not yet applied and they want to make a decision soon.

Go to the school's portal, department etc, apply for the program and attach all attachables. I don't think there is anything confusing.

So touching, NoelJunior. It is well.

CuteRedd, can you PM reDazey? She will take it from there.

preciousnobel:
Good day all,
Big kudos to our seniors here! May your shadows never grow less!
I noticed that most applications here are engineering or related disciplines. Anybody here applying for Phd/Msc in any biomedical discipline? i am an undergraduate of human physiology in a Nigerian university and I intend to apply for Phd in neuroscience in the nearest future.

Also, the information I got is that it is impossible for immigrants to live legally after Phd in Trump's America. Is it true? What do you think is the best thing to do about this? It wouldn't be nice to travel back to Nigeria and start looking for an academic or industry job after Phd in US @Scholastica16 Time2Smile, CuteRedd, Sherlock5577, Pronto543

Thanks.

It is not true. Totally not true. PhDs even file papers for themselves to get a green card without the H1-B route or using a company to file. Nothing has changed.

Stop listening to alarmists. Just focus on the first thing you want which is a PhD. BTW, your program is heavily funded as well. I know a Nigerian who is in the biomedical discipline who as we speak has 3 PhD offers. He did his MS here though via PTDF scholarship.

CuteRedd:
monthly and it depends on the state

You misunderstood his question, I think.

calculator123:
is the $1,500 the Minimum money one must have for a PhD student?

It is not the minimum. Depending on where you plan to stay you could survive with $1000 pending when your stipends start coming in. They sometimes take between 2 weeks to a month before you start recieving them so in the interim you will you need your own personal money to cope.

CuteRedd:
nice view points. I have always wanted to know the actual living cost range in Boston and New York especially for an international student. I know that the rate stated on the school site is a watered-down version and not the true picture of things. Can you pls connect me to this person in Boston U? Would love to ask some questions about the school and other things. Thanks

I am working on this. Hopefully before today runs out, he will contact you himself. Perhaps via PM.

Time2Smile:
Funding levels depends on whether it is MSc or PhD. The monthly stipend ranges from 1000 to 2,500 with most PhD funding between 1700 and 2200 per month.
The biggest expense in the US is rent, so the best way to reduce expenses is by having a roommate. Therefore if a single student can keep rent below 500 per month, the other monthly expenditures should be less than $500, giving a total less than $1000. Although rent varies based on States and is most expensive in California and the North East (New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts).

Most PhD students end up saving. A fully funded single PhD student has no business taking illegal work to make ends meet, or else it is a case of greed.

You will however need to come with about $1500 to settle down before your stipend kicks in.

Everything here is on point. I will only add that some Boston, NYC and Cali PhDs get as much as 2800-3500 a month. There is someone in Boston University who even views this thread occasionally that earns $3500/month. But their rent no be here. A 4-bedroom apartment shared where he stays is $1300 per person. Some Stanford people see $5000 a month single bedroom apartments and $1800/month each in a 3 bedroom shared. Someone who visited recently and stayed with a friend said his friend pays $800 each a month in a 5 bedroom shared spot close to Stanford and that was even subsidised by the school.

In Iowa State here, the PhDs get $1900+ after taxes. The ball park figure is however $30k/year.