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bigfrancis21:
Just let him be. I stopped responding to him when he said I am envious of him. Everyone who knows me personally knows that I am very far from that. I don't envy people. Sometimes when you are telling our people how things truly are, they think you are jealous of them. Except you are telling them exactly what they want to hear, you are envious or jealous of them. Notice how every veteran here currently in the US has tried to caution his exuberance but he thinks he knows it all more than us. It is good to aim high and have high dreams but at the same time be reasonable. Experience they say is the best teacher. America is not as easy as newly arrived Nigerians always think. Few months later reality will set in. It happens to everyone.

Just let him be.

You are right.

I just realized he is yet to even write the GRE or TOEFL. Talk about counting chicks before they are hatched.

Chidinho10:
WTF do you think you are Oga?
I know you very well from the GRE thread
I know your story well
No dey carry shoulder for anybody here
If you don't know anything about a topic, it's better you stay silent.

I was minding my business until someone said MBAs are overrated (haha haha)

Haba!!!!!

Sure, if your own version of minding your business includes harping on posts that barely mentioned you.

The inferiority complex is screaming now. LOL

Chidinho10:
Maybe you didn't study hard for your GRE to know that those are GRE vocabs.

Hehehehehehehehehehehe
Now I see you're damn jealous
I can vouch with my salary that you were rejected from a top business school


Maybe you should have tried harder.
Kpele

The people who know me will be laughing at you. So specific words were created for GRE?

You are schizophrenic I swear.

Ok now I have joined BigFrancis21 in being jealous of you or MBA holders?

Do you know how stu.pid you sound if everyone that expresses divergent opinions from yours has to be jealous of you who has achieved nothing and is yet to even be accepted into an MBA program?

I can write down everything you know on a grain of rice.

Chidinho10:
You keep running from pillar to post. Let me sound it another time for you

1. A Harvard MBA holder CAN NEVER BE POOR if he chooses any of the lucrative career paths open to him.

2. Your Uber guy story (which is even unverified) does nothing to discredit the lucrative nature of a Harvard MBA. The said person can still quit his business (if he wishes), leverage on his school network and get a well paying job.

So I repeat for the umpteenth time, you don't know jack about MBAs and recruitments. It's better you stick to the PhD route you know very well and STFU whenever discussions are made in topics you don't know.

"No Harvard lawyer can be poor if they become counsel to a fortune 500 company".

Children of logic, does this mean that ALL Harvard lawyers work in fortune 500 companies?
Can a Harvard lawyer work in a fortune 500 company and still be poor?
Does earning high translate into never being poor?

I told you, you are bandying words you don't even understand. How can I be running in all directions yet you are the one introducing caveats to show a HBS graduate can be broke yet maintaining they can never be?

Now you are talking about discrediting the lucrative nature of HBS MBA. Abeg, where did I discredit the lucrative nature of HBS MBA?

Can you see, that you are bereft in logical reasoning, cannot read, have no memory and are yet emotional?

EMMAACHILE:
Scholastica16

Any Harvard MBA that is poor (which I still doubt) should not have gone there in the first place. Many ways to make money and even if I have the full capital, I will still go the loan path since the capital can be invested somewhere where the earnings will liquidate the loan. Getting an MBA top school admission is tough and getting the job should be the easier path. The stats show Harvard MBA graduate are 100% employable and I dont why you are stil arguing with that.
See link for stats https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings-articles/full-time-mba-rankings-global/harvard-tops-new-qs-global-mba-rankings-2018

The summary of what I am saying is that top schools to an extent make you who you are. If for example, I am to school in the USA, I will never seek admission outside the top 10.

Others may prefer the lower schools due to their own reasoning. That's their own cup of tea.

For your notice, the best graduates and best paid staffs are from the top schools.

As a rule of thumb, thread caution when citing these employability figures. 100% in nature is usually a figment and tool of brand marketing. The reality is often at variance with those stats.

But that is not to say that HBS grads do not earn well nor am I against MBAs at all. My position is, the post-life success of MBA grads from top schools is not as sweeping as your link or you are trying to make it look.

I can just toss you a few bones that puts my argument into perspective. The odds are, that the folks in HBS are already children of the rich whose parents already own companies or are CEOs of those companies. Therefore, their employment report will already be skewed because they would have gotten said jobs without the MBA.

Next, employment reports in themselves do not tell a complete story. Ask yourself how those reports were put together. The simple fact is they were arranged through questionnaires and polls many of which are as simplistic as "are you working post HBS"? and to that end, even the Uber guy I met would have clicked yes.

Then, some other % of the HBS entrees are people who already had great jobs and their respective companies opted to pay for the MBA for them. So they already had those jobs before getting into HBS.

Lastly, there are people like that uber guy I met who opted for entrepreneurship and may or may not make it because they took a detour that did not yield the financial windfall they desired.

In all of these, it is clear that though HBS and other top MBA programs can lay claim to part of the success of their graduates, it is the INDIVIDUALS themselves that make the difference. Which puts paid to the 100% fib of an employment report or the notion that HBS graduates can never be poor.

Chidinho10:
Chai!!!!!
Nawao!!!
Some people sha

One of my replies to bigfrancis clearly states that reaping the fruits of an MBA depends on the career path you choose. As an MBA student from a top school, you have a plethora of career choices to follow. Your decision to earn lower than expected is a function of your interests, not a function of how bad the labor market is... Some people go to MBAs to become entrepreneurs (I don't really advise this), and they tend to earn lower after graduation. This is not because the market for hiring MBAs is bad, but because of the choices they make. One of my FB contacts even dropped from Stanford GSB to create his startup cos he knew he would have to take up a job to repay his loan before entering entrepreneurship (his dream career)

Oga, if you have an issue with comprehension, please consult a medical practitioner. I can't be wasting my time hammering a simple point into your dead brain.

From day 1, you sounded off!!! You clearly know nothing about MBA recruitment, yet you stuck your nose into what you don't know about.

Abeg swerve! Na me dey waste my time argue with you self.

I shared a story because someone else made a senseless comment that you endorsed. You are the itchy-fingered lunatic that harped on my post to prove that you were certain about the facts in that post that you were endorsing. Now the same jumbo-sized dumbo turns around and starts going off about not knowing how MBA's are recruited and career paths.

And my question to you is, if you knew that some MBA graduates could still end up being poor due to entrepreneurship etc why was that not your reply to the guy who said they can never be? And when I shared a story of a guy who was "poor" after the HBS MBA why was it initially incredible to you?

The simple fact is, you wanted to make this post-MBA life larger than the reality on ground and my story was a stumbling block to you. The only reason you are threading caution now is that I have shown you how illogical your post was. So you are the one who needs to see someone for your neurosis.

Were we not here when you said BigFrancis21 was jealous of MBA holders and now you have shaku shaku'ed into telling me I don't know about MBA recruitment. Abeg, what about any of my posts was addressing MBA recruitments?

You see why they say "some of you are mad but have nobody to tell you?". You are welcome.

Chidinho10:
Oga, STFU!!!
I can't imagine you typed all these rubbish without making a single point.
All you do is pile your comments with loads of Magoosh and Barron's jargons you learnt from GRE prep. Unfortunately, none of them makes sense.

Colloquial and ab initio are GRE words. And you are the high IQ guy who is supposed to earn 120k/year after his MBA.

Your version of idio.cy is unique.

Chidinho10:
Hehehehehehehehehehehehhe
You keep using words to describe your low IQ

You clearly could not understand when I said your post MBA salary depends on your career path. If you were smart enough, you would have understood clearly that my analysis holds for people that choose the right paying career paths


Oga, I'm tired of these jabs. Arguments are worse when you're talking to someone with no clue of the subject matter.

Abeg, in God's name, I'm going to bed
It's night here and I guess it's night there too
So let's do the needful.
Bye

Sure, your opinion holds sway except for areas that it does not hold sway. The colloquial phrase for you is “Captain obvious”.

The football team wins 100% in a game they score more goals than the other. Ground breaking Nobel prize intelligence right there.

The same top school MBA that guarantees 6-figures is still hinged on the career path one chooses to have in spite of it all yet you still cannot see that your ab initio argument has been murdered by the same inanity that conjectured it.

Chidinho10:
Heheheheheheehehehehheheeehe

You sound like a broken record fam

Just dancing around after committing the blunder of not reading my post carefully before attacking me

I clearly stated that the ROI of an MBA degree is dependent on your career path after graduation. Your low IQ failed to assimilate this point and you brought up an erroneous example to backup your claim.

I've countered your points neatly bro. Ive floored your points. I've clearly shown that you have no clue what an MBA entails. So it's best you stick to what you know and don't dabble into things you have no idea about. The best you can do is to watch, read and learn

You can start from GMATclub.com, poetsandquants.com and Wallstreetaosis.com


Please no need stretching my argument cos I wouldn't want to waste my time arguing with you on something you have no idea about. FYI, the rank of an MBA in the US is even more important for an INTERNATIONAL student (I'm highlighting key points so you don't end up confusing yourself again). Top 10 is best so you can join a target firm that can explore several means to sponsor your visa. I wouldn't advise any school below top 25 as the risks are higher.

No words from me on this again.
Goodnight

I already called it. You are trying hard to convince me that you have escaped complete duncery but I can read you from a mile away and you are still Olodo positive.

So everybody who went to Wharton or HBS are rich making 6-figures except those who ventured into entrepreneurship, are not connected or did not go down certain sub-MBA career paths?

That is like saying everyone who wrote the test passed apart from those who did not meet the cutoff, did not give the right answers to the questions and did not understand what was asked.

You have truly shown us how high your IQ is.

The only problem is, the conditions for not earning 6-figures via MBAs defeats the stance that everyone who gets MBAs gets the 6 figures. A stance, you brazenly endorsed because...well...you are a nattering nabob of grandscale olodoism.

Chidinho10:
How can you make a generic conclusion of a degree using someone that decided to set out and start his business after school? How many successful businesses today started without a humble background? Did your Uber driver tell you he couldn't secure a job in Tech, finance or consulting with his HBS MBA degree before choosing to start his business?

Mtchew!!!
Sometimes it's just best you keep shut in things you have no idea about

Now you are throwing words around hoping they would stick.

I presented an isolated situation to contradict your generic one.

Hope you know what the word generic means.

For e.g if I say, there is no broke Harvard MBA graduate I have just generalized as though I know all the Harvard MBA grads.

This is what talking first and thinking next does to people.

Chidinho10:
Hehehehe
I also know where you stand psychologically and intellectually for you not to notice where I clearly stated that your MBA salary is dependent on the career path you choose to follow. Some areas pay higher than others.... I wonder why you are finding this so difficult to understand. This is simple English brother!!!!

You are dancing palongo.

You just came to defend how no top school attending MBAs are broke and I presented a case that pours egg on your face.

Someone with more tact will dilute his initial stance even if he likes the zobo he has been drinking but not you.

You are now contorting arguments out of shape like a bad gymnast.

Should I also stretch your argument to say it is not the MBA that made them wealthy but the careeer path within the MBA?

If you understand English and logic as much as you think you do, you’d know I am allowed to.

Chidinho10:
You have finally answered yourself


He went into entrepreneurship after an MBA. Something he was passionate about. If he had gone into consulting or finance, he wouldnt have been in a tight financial condition.

Entrepreneurs earn lowest after their MBAs cos their projects take lots of time to mature. An example of Mira Mehta of Tomato Jos

So if you ain't showing me any HBS MBA grad into consulting, Finance or tech doing Uber, you're just saying something you know nothing about

Like I said, I can see through you like I have X-Ray glasses on.

You are actually and vociferously defending an experience that you are yet to partake in. Tell me the type of people that do that.

Chidinho10:
Hahahahahahahhahahaha
You even forgot to mention that he had an exchange semester at Caltech

I know where you are psychologically and perhaps intellectually. But it is more foolhardy to endorse that everyone who went to HBS did not end up poor. I wonder who took that position.

The reality is what I presented to you. A real time story that bludgeons the snake oil brand marketing that you have been sold on.

If you are smart enough, just use your tongue to count your teeth.

Walspring:
Are you kidding me? No be same thing ooo

No I am not.

Had his first degree in MIT and got an MBA in HBS. Used some loan to pay part of the HBS he said and decided to institute a start-up that is yet to fully become a moneymaker.

Uber is paying his bills till his ideas fly. He is not unique. Go to Quora and read former Whartoners or HBSers who found other distractions that are not exactly bathed in Glory.

Jared Krushner is a popular Harvard boy these days but I wager his life would have been the same had he not gone to Harvard.

People want to reside in a fool’s paradise but they would need reality checks to pay for it.

Chidinho10:
Hehehehehehehehe
One funny thing about this scenario is that someone can just jump up and forge a story as long as it cannot be verified

Ma laugh again (hahahahahaahahahhaahhaahaha)

Sometimes before you reply, read a few posts from the poster to know whether he or she talks carelessly.

You seem to have your emotions all over the place.

In fact, the man in question had his first degree in MIT.

Oya, prate on.

Quoran:
Hello Guys. Please I need your help on this. If you have a fully funded offer (Tuition waived and stipend) and you are just required to pay some mandatory fees and health insurance, do you have to pay for these before applying for visa or simply present the account statement to the VO duing the visa interview (If he asks for it)?

Your I20 will have the funding on it so the only bank statement you may need to present is the difference between the funding you got and what you need to make up for.

However, this depends on how much funding you are to receive. For e.g, if it covers your stipend and tuition, then the mandatory fees and insurance are already subsets of that stipend and therefore only your I20 will suffice as a financial statement.

biikeys:
Yes, a Harvard MBA grad can be 'poor'..there are lots of stories out there on the internet. Like I've mentioned a few times here, it's more about your networks, potential referrals at top schools. You can spend several thousands of dollars and still not get a decent job.

The Uber guy that gave me a ride a while back went to Harvard business school. Not saying he is wretched but he certainly does not earn $120k/year with or without bonuses.

Godchangemylife:
Hello, you can register for TOEFL on ets.org/toefl...it's around #67k. For free materials you will be offered when you register for the tutorial. If you have been denied before kindly state a reason for that so it can be figured out here.

N67k for TOEFL at this day and age?

Google B.Y MAFIT or contact Ponpon on nairaland.

gokuu:
One thing you have to take note of is that what you’re paying for in these top programs is “access” to their professional network. But beyond the introductions, you will need to have a strong profile that speaks to the human capital needs of the organization. What you have done in your professional career? How exactly can that add value to their firm?

Of course, elite schools/programs have a significant advantage because their alums tend dominate Wall Street and DC politics and many industries, and connection is almost everything in America. But you must bring something to the table that goes beyond a degree certificate.

And, “averages” can be misleading. In the simplest form, an average of two individuals where one earns 250k and the other earns 50k, is 150k. The story behind the number is crucial.

I endorse this message.

akatovic1:
ok I am back again and here are my admission decisions( for now) for fall 2018
- University of Texas Austin (msc/Ph.D)- Rejected
-Renssaeler Poly (Direct Ph.D)- Accepted but no news on funding yet sha

I am still awaiting the rest and may God help us all.

Congrats man. Funding should be dropping in the first week of April. I learnt Learner007 got into UIUC as well. Happy for you guys. I am joining my faith with Rexcheeng, MasterforceII and the rest of the crew for more testimonies of this magnitude.

#YesWeWill

Congrats Learner007.

I was rooting for you silently and am elated to see you got a biggie fully funded at MSc level!!

I am waiting on the testimonies of RexCheeng, Mfarad and the other guys on the thread.

Charlise:
Pls is there anyone doing MSC in Norfolk state university Virginia or knows someone there, pls I need to know, haven't red anytin about the school here before. Thanks

I know a Nigerian there doing his MSc in EE (fully funded). Depends on your question, I can relay the information to him.

Quoran:
How do you guys see/access this school,Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute? Seen alot about the school on Quora (Rankings and all) though I don't like the name of the school lol. I only applied because of the fee application waiver. I have been admitted but no funding ,at least for now.



Scholastica16

RPI is a top school in the USA for engineering. Forget the Polytechnique part of their nomenclature (it started out as a skill-imbibing institute but is a research power house today). They are top 10 for Civil, Mech and EE in the USA. If their research interest matches yours, grab the offer with both hands and a leg. Some people have taken RPI over MIT. I kid you not.

rasheedtobi:
What do you guys think. I had a modest application list- 3 schools for MS EE. I was a little disappointed in my GRE scores so I felt applying to many schools would not make much difference. I was wrong actually.

I was accepted in all but nothing on full funding yet. I have a pending application for a direct phD program, recommendation letters delaying things do you think funding could still come through the PhD route given the time constraints for fall 2018..deadline is May BTW.

CSU ft Collins: Accepted
Cleveland state Ohio: Accepted
Southern Illinois University Edwardsville: Accepted+ (partial funding)

UTD - PhD....pending --Application incomplete.





GRE: 311 TOEFL 100
GPA: 3.61/4.00
RESEARCH : NIL
Relevant PROFESSIONAL work: 5years

Cc: masterforce Scholastica16 Dremanuel Yildiz


Shout out to Scholastica16. How are you doing Sir

I am very well and happy for you.

As for Cleveland State, most of the people who got funded for MSc resumed there first before they got it. That could be your last resort if no one else funds you before you enter the USA.

Why is your UTD app incomplete and how can you complete it readily?

Quoran:
I have not heard from TAMU despite seeing a couple of admission decisions on gradcafe. I submitted my application before the December 20th deadline.

tizentos:
All masters except TAMU(Phd).

Depends on how you think you would hear from them. TAMU will not alert you via an email. You would have to log back into that portal for uploading documents to check their decision. It is usually uploaded there.

ibksolar:
Thanks Scholastica16 for your response.

Yes, the bank is GTBank and I have internet banking options. What online banking options is available?

Also, I checked TransferWise and it seems they only move money into Nigeria and not the other way round.

Correct me if I'm wrong...

What options do you know of that's reliable and economical?

I believe they can move money in either directions and I mentioned them to you because they had better rates than commercial banks etc. You are still implored to do your own investigations.

briliantsak:
I got into University of Florida (direct PhD) few days ago, still awaiting fellowship result in couple of weeks. I discussed with a supervisor before applying for admission, she asked me to select her as my advisor... which I actually did during application. Buh when I got the admission letter, they've changed my advisor to another person...who happens to be a senior colleague to the former advisor and he's even the PhD program coordinator for the program. I contacted him and we discuss about funding... he asked me to get back to him in couple of weeks for the fellowship result.

Hoping and praying sha...
Thanks Scholastica16, Ponpon, annexplus, and others


Thou I v fully funded direct PhD in HK already, buh US is kinda better.

Congratulations. UF is a very good school in Gainesville, Florida with usually Clement weather. I hear the women there are very pretty (so they can admire your brilliance ).

Regards.

tizentos:
UPDATE:

After waiting endlessly for weeks, my US dream almost withered. At last, admit decisions finally roll in. This is my update.

Confirmed List:

Stevens Institute of Technology(Ms)( accepted plus $15k fellowship award)

Auburn University(Ms)(accepted, scheduled a Skype interview with a prof later in the week)

Cleveland State University(Ms) (accepted)

Stanford University(Ms) (accepted, I actually applied cuz of the Knight Hennessey scholarship but I wasn't awarded).

Pending list,

UT Austin(Ms)
UC boulder (Ms
TAMU,College station (PhD).

Please guys, I need you advice on the Skype interview and how I can go about securing full funding. Your advice will be highly appreciated. #teamfall2018

Congrats. You have really good schools on that list but I am not surprised.

I will tell you something though, funding for MSc is hard and it got harder with funding cuts from the government so prepare your mind to really fight and maybe be disappointed if you do not get funded for MSc.

If you get a chance to talk to PIs, pitch PhD dreams to them as those are the only cadre of people to still benefit from the reduced financial grant from the government. Of course, MSc students still do get funded but that number is getting far reduced.

As per Skype interview, the PI is not trying to rate your intelligence. He pretty much got that from your GPA..Test scores and supporting documents. All he would care about is to see if your research experiences match what he is looking out for in research students or if you have something unique that you can bring to his group.

So don't expect him to say "define this, define that". Far from it. He will ask about the research you did, things you figured out and skillsets you possess (like if you are a programmer, or an analyst etc). I don't think you have anything to worry about since I know you know your stuff very well.

Just set a good time, get quality internet service, understand your CV well and talk freely. He is a professional colleague not a Mafioso so treat him as such. In fact, talk to him like you would your age mate even if you should not forget the home training we have received from Nigeria. It will go well.

Cheers.

jelmusboy:
Just finished my GRE

Going for PhD in Medical Microbiology, Molecular Biology at SIU. Already spoke to a Professor who said I should write my GRE and get back to him. He said he will likely take one student in Fall 2018 and we have the same research interest.

VR - 150
QR - 147

Undergrad (Nigeria) - 3.10/5.0 (2.96/4.0) Bachelor of Medical Laboratory Science

Postgrad (UK) - 70.67% (3.72/4.0) MSc Environmental and Public Health

Five peer-reviewed publications and over 4 years work experience in Nigeria and UK.

Any suggestion, advice etc?

The GRE is slightly weak but the truth is a Prof who wants to work with you will hardly care. GRE is still not a fair or accurate means of predicting those who will likely succeed in research. They are mutually exclusive things.

Just reach out again to him with the score and sell the hell-out of your peer reviewed publications. The truth is, those pull more weight than GRE scores when it comes to wooing Profs who need PhDs.

GucciOluwa:
Good morning house.
It is a sad morning for me, I applied to five schools:
University of Wisconsin- PhD Phil
University of Cincinnati - PhD Phil
University of Connecticut - PhD Phil
Wayne state university -PhD Phil
University at Buffalo - MA/PhD Phil.
I was given admission for MA, university at Buffalo (zero funding ) with an assurance of PhD after one year if my grades are good.
I just received my first rejection from university of Cincinnati and I'm heartbroken.
The fact that I've seen two PhD admissions from university of Wisconsin on gradcafe further complicates my situation.
I'm beginning to regret not applying to more schools.
Does anyone know of schools that are still taking applications?

Don’t be crestfallen. Atimes there are early decisions from schools to their first choice or early bird applicants. Does not necessarily mean the journey is over.

Some schools have 2 rounds of admissions and funding -sometimes- depending on if the first round guys opted for other schools. It is usually the case.

Just be optimistic. Admission seasons go unpredictably most times. You tender an app, hope and pray.

haywhizzy21:
hello house,, please who knows if Case western Reserve University is a good school in the United States, I got a scholarship from them..

Help me understand how Case Western Uni could give you a scholarship, and you could not tel if they were good or not.

Did you apply by yourself?
Did you take tests?
How did you discover them?

ibksolar:
Hello everyone.

Can someone kindly answer this?

Thank you.

If there's anyone who needs naira, kindly PM me.

cc: Walspring, Lagosismyhome, scholastica16, justwise, Twoods

Depending on if your bank in Nigeria allows you to do online banking, Transfer Wise is a good platform. Do your due diligence first.

Sorry I am just seeing this.