rudedough:

Please don't talk about my poor grammar, you don't want to go there with me. Let's keep it real and have fun while we understand the bible.

Let's analyse that passage, but first let's see what "a Colt" is.

Colt (klt)
n.
1. A young male horse.

Adult's don't ride on "Colt" so could it be that "the owners" were Children against 2 hefty grown a$$ men? Or they were women against 2 grown a$$ men.

If that be the case, how can they defend themselves against these men who came to steal commandeer borrow untie their "Colt" without their consent. Whatever your excuses may be, you still haven't explained to this congregation why Jesus took away someone's "colt" with a command that "The Lord needs it".

Kindly explain that portion to us Sir, we will be delighted to know what happened there.

I asked you a simple question that didn't the 's' after OWNER tell they were more than one in response to your iPhone analogy. I was just being cheeky with the English bits

Adults don't ride on colt. This guy don kill me o. Yet Jesus at 33 rode on it. Go sleep son! Lol.

Did you read the rest of my post. Go back and read it.

rudedough: Hehehehe I just saw it honestly. You are one very funny guy. This guy will not kill me with laugh one day

So if i waka past @rationalmind see am dey press him iPhone, i come ask @PAGAN 9JA and @OlaoChi make them go that corner right there, say them go see @rationalmind dey press one iPhone, make them gba the iPhone, if him ask any question, make them tell am say "their chairman need am".

That one no be thief abi? Sey @rationalmind go fit fight @PAGAN 9JA and @OlaoChi together. You want make them do am strong thing?

If this is your explanation cos they didn't resist the theft, man you gotta go eat your akpu and ofe nsala ASAP, you're hungry.

Don't use comedy dodge the question na? Haba! Why were they not resisted? It is such a simple question. You wannabe atheists claim to be rational yet your rationality no reach there.

So your English language poor reach u no know say 's' after owner mean say NO BE one owner?

Mate another reason why I say you guys are blind. You see what you want to see.

rudedough:

@rationalmind I swear you no well...

Na name it and claim it. See yah mouth...lol

No be today I talk say your imagination is flawed. Go read my post, it is either you don't have a response or you are too scared to reply.

rudedough:

Trust me, that man is the last thing to a good guy. He's just like his father and he told you himself but you Christians like to cover it up.

Matthew 10:34-36
34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn

“‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’

In other words, he has come to scatter your family and kill you with the sword peel orange with the sword.

How do you guys read the bible? Do you guys see all these things and just ignore it or your brains have been configured to skip these "red flags".

How many times do you need to be taught?

Jesus said "you must carry your cross". How many crosses have you seen Christians carry on the street?

Jesus said "cut off your hand if it will you make you to sin". Does that mean you should cut off your hands?

Jesus said "pluck out your eyes, if it will cause you to sin". Does that mean you should pluck out your eyes?

Since the beginning of this discussion, has there been peace on this thread? Many people will hate you for talking about Jesus - just so you know, "your family will hate you"

What is the cause of the division? The word of God. Doesn't the bible you claimed to have read from cover to cover liken the word of God to "a double edged sword?" The mere fact that there has never been peace on this thread - does that not lend credence to the validity of the statement Jesus made in the verse?

The Christians believe the word of God, but you believe different. Didn't that cause division? Or has anyone used a sword to chase after you on this thread?

I can't be spoon feeding you man! Use your logical sense.

That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world - Matthew 13:35

I know what you will say next, "must these Christians deny everything?"

I have an answer for you;

1 Peter 3

14But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;

15But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and BE READY ALWAYS TO GIVE AN ANSWER TO EVERYMAN (plus including RUDEDOUGH ) that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

16Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.

rudedough:

[b]Ok i just see your EYE!! now The EYES!! have it **Knack Kpako on the table**

Luke 19:28-35
After Jesus had said this, he went on ahead, going up to Jerusalem. 29 As he approached Bethphage and Bethany at the hill called the Mount of Olives, he sent two of his disciples, saying to them, 30 “Go to the village ahead of you, and as you enter it, you will find a colt tied there, which no one has ever ridden. Untie it and bring it here. 31 If anyone asks you, ‘Why are you untying it?’ say, ‘The Lord needs it.’ ”

32 Those who were sent ahead went and found it just as he had told them. 33 As they were untying the colt, its owners asked them, “Why are you untying the colt?”

34 They replied, “The Lord needs it.”

35 They brought it to Jesus, threw their cloaks on the colt and put Jesus on it

My brother Jesus stole someone's horse korokoro and these Christians just dey the follow the Jesus like mugu, them no know say the guy self dey thief with the use of force.[/b]

Jesus: If anyone ask 'Why are you untying it? ' tell them 'the Lord needs it'

And they got there untying the Colt

The owners: Why are you untying the colt?
The Disciples: The Lord needs it.

Why didn't the owners say, "we don't know any Lord" and resist them?

Jesus gave them the question that would be asked and the answer they should give back.

Logical reasoning that you claim to have does not tell you that, the owners must know the Lord and there was a pre-arrangement.

The owner asked the exact question and the disciple gave the exact answer. DEAL DONE!

Oops I lied, the owners used 'colt' where Jesus used 'it'. Abi u get problem with that as well?

OlaoChi:

I think it is, most Christians only sit and pray instead of acting

It is not meant to be like that

2 Thessalonians 3

10For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

11For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.

12Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.

13But ye, brethren, be not weary in well doing

14And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.

15Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

OlaoChi:

A better reply than the one from Joshthefirst.
But then going by this Christian brethren are required to help their members, how often fo you help your members?

Judging by the standard of early Christians - we are not helping enough!!! And that is a big shame.

And as you know Christianity is not as excuse for laziness...

OlaoChi:

I know a Christian family that are so devote but yet still very poor and living in bad conditions upon all their hope in Jehovah

Is that a just God to you?

Act 4

34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, 35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

It is quite unfortunate.., isn't it? Please do not blame God. Blame Christians that see the family living in poverty and bad conditions but refuse to help them.

But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him? - 1 John 3:17

rudedough:

Mehn i don tire. You guys deny everything.

Ok i agree Jesus said buy the sword to peel orange. Can i rest now?

I like your imagination

rudedough:

I don't argue blindly, when i read a book, my imagination runs wild. But who bought the swords? Is a sword a tool to show love to thy neighbor as he preached? Could this be an hypocrisy? Don't you think so?

Please stop attacking my thoughts, my thoughts are crazy anyway but lets stick to the discussion about Jesus buying swords. What for?

What is your definition of hypocrisy?

Yes He said buy a sword. What is it Jesus that went to buy the swords?

Jesus said, "If your eye will cause you to sin, pluck it out". Does that mean you should remove your eye?

Ponder on those questions for now.

rudedough:

Shut up Bro, you gave people sword to "show some love to thy neighbor" and when someone ears is on the floor, you asked them to stop. Are you just dumb or i just have to explain everything to you? can't you guys think with your coconut head?

Picture this, use your imagination. I think they were outnumbered and after Peter stroked, Jesus saw the armies charging for revenge, Jesus quickly asked them to withdraw their sword cos "He who lives by the sword will die by the sword" meaning, if you strike the armies with your sword, they will retaliate with their swords.

But No you guys twist it like Jesus does not condone violence. Rubbish!! I can't believe that these Pastors completely ignored the part where Jesus asks his disciples to sell their cloaks and buy swords.

Lol..., you still dey lie lie. At least you said "picture this" which means your conclusion is just what you imagined. You need to be writing movie script....imaginations, that is the problem with you people.

When Peter slashed the guy, according to your theory, "shouldn't they have retaliated immediately?" You go attack a Nigerian soldier and see what will happen. I assume you are not as logical as you claimed to have thought of, "Why was Peter not butchered?"

Your imagination is faulty son! Don't read your imagination in what you read.

Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it?

It simply means, Peter we are not to resist the arrest!

rudedough:

Ahh see excuse oo... These my Christians brothers no go kill me with laugh

Is that not the sword one of disciples used to decapitate the ear of the Jewish soldier? What does he need swords for if it's not to "show some Christian-ly love to thy neighbor". huh

See bro, when i was younger, i thought the disciple loved Jesus so much he had to fight for Jesus. Little did i know that it was Jesus who asked them to buy the swords and be ready to attack.

But why don't our Pastors preach this part of the bible. Tell me that you know that Jesus bought those swords before now. Say the truth for once.

Peter slashed the ear of a soldier with it, and what did Jesus do and say after that?

rudedough:

Interesting, honestly I'm impressed but let's see how Jesus shows loves to one another.

Before his arrest, the holy Jesus was ready to show some love to his Jewish brothers.

Luke 22:36
He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.

I think I'll be needing a sword to show you some Jesus love . Talking about hypocrisy. In fact enough of God, let's discuss Jesus.

How many people did he kill with the sword?

I have come across atheists in the past; they are very logical and intelligent as well.

Having been a participant on this thread since it started, I have to come to a conclusion that all these guys parading themselves as 'atheists' are just 'WANNABE ATHEISTS'. You call yourselves 'atheists'...lol. U wish! You all lack the logic and reasoning to be counted when they are calling atheists.

I am not here to debate with anyone of you about if there is a God or not - whether you believe or not - it is your choice! My primary purpose here is to expose you all for who you are - JOKERS!!! I am deriving great pleasure doing that. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools - Roman 1:22

1. Let me school you a little on logic and reasoning.

Some of you are even damn too scared to write God as 'god'. (lol...that is going off tangent I agree)

You want to debate about the bible..., you pick up verses about the Law of Moses and start ranting to Christians about it.

Doesn't your logical reasoning dictate to you that if you want to debate the Laws of Moses you need to look for someone that practices Judaism. The number one FACT that you guys are so clueless is that ''you do not even have the understand of what to debate about and who you should really face'' yet you claim to have read the bible.

Who is a Christian (even though Jesus called them Disciples)?

A NEW COMMANDMENT I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. - John 13:34-35
King James Version (KJV)

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: Matthew 28:18 -19

Whatsoever I (Jesus) NOT MOSES commanded you. What command did Jesus give? LOVE!!!

All you FAKE ATHEISTS, if you have an issue with the commandments of God. Ask me 'why I should love' which Jesus commanded me NOT some Laws of Moses which I do not follow because I do not follow Judaism. That is a little logic and reasoning for you.

Now you argue that Jesus did not abolish the Law and that He came to fulfill it...are you serious? Lol. FULFILL that is what you have been blah blah blah about since yet you claim you think logically.

Let me school you on what FULFILLing the law and prophets is

Mathew 1:

20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

22 Now all this was done, that it might be FULFILLED which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,

23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

FULFILLED in that context mean it was predicted NOW IT HAS HAPPENED..., am I right? That means for you to say that it has been FULFILLED - it means it has now come to reality. So FULFILLMENT in the bible means PAST PREDICTIONS OR PROPHESY becoming a REALITY. I will give you further examples.

Matthew 2

13 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.

14 When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:

15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men. Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying,

18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.

19 But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a dream to Joseph in Egypt,

20 Saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel: for they are dead which sought the young child's life.

21 And he arose, and took the young child and his mother, and came into the land of Israel.

22 But when he heard that Archelaus did reign in Judaea in the room of his father Herod, he was afraid to go thither: notwithstanding, being warned of God in a dream, he turned aside into the parts of Galilee:

23 And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene.


Another example

Matthew 4

13 And leaving Nazareth, he came and dwelt in Capernaum, which is upon the sea coast, in the borders of Zabulon and Nephthalim:

14 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,

15 The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles;

16 The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.

17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Now the verse you have all been ranting about

Matthew 5

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Now tell me how FULFILL in that verse means that 'law says to stone so you should keep stoning'...lol. Jokers, you lot!

If FULFILL as you understand it means 'stone' how come Jesus did not stone the woman caught in adultery but he said to her, ''neither do I condemn you" - John 8:11

If FULFILL as you understand it means 'stone' how come Jesus said;

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved - John 3:17

If Jesus said ''I came to fulfill'' yet he never 'stoned' one person. He said ''I came to fulfill'' and yet he was LOUNGING (i love that word..allow me to use it ) with sinners. Does logical reasoning not tell you that your understanding FULFILL is faulty?

FULFILL as used in the verses simply means, ''bringing into reality what was prophesied in the law and prophets''.

Moses prophesied

Deuteronomy 18:15 – “The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your fellow Israelites, and you must listen to that prophet.”

Fulfillment - JESUS WAS BORN!

You guys are the most unintelligent, illogical, non-rational group of atheists I have come across. You are all disappointments to the atheist community.

Abeg make una park joor!!!

rudedough: Even in the face of defeat, a Christian still argues. It tells so much as to what extent religious fanatics are willing to go to defend their God even if it means going around the tangent shamelessly to do it.

Well I know how rebellious and stiff-necked you are so i wont be bothering myself with you. I'll just let you wander in your ignorance.

Good luck Mr. Christian.

Before you run. You need to submit the assignment I gave you.

rudedough:

When you haven't read your bible, you sound stu.pidly foolish when you quote me. Who told you that the Jews did not kill Jesus? Are you sure your are a Christian or you're the type that goes to Church to chase women.

John 18:12
Then the detachment of soldiers with its commander and the Jewish officials arrested Jesus. They bound him 13 and brought him first to Annas, who was the father-in-law of Caiaphas, the high priest that year.

Now who was Joseph Caiaphas? A Jewish high priest.

By the way, what has who killed Jesus and the 2 thieves got to do with the law Jesus came to fulfil? Stop going around the tangent, if you cannot present facts shut the hell up and look for somewhere to sit your a$$ down.

I'm done going back and front with you guys who discuss bible issues without presenting facts.

Do you not know that I have power to crucify you and power to release you - John 19:10

Go and study that bit and come back here to tell me again that it was the Jewish High priest that crucified Jesus and the 2 thieves.

After I have exposed your follies fully. Then I will present to you the truth. You can only speed up the process by stopping to sound ignorant.

rudedough:

Your problem is that you don't read your bible or you read it with so much emotional attachment.

Jesus did not come to change the law, he came to fulfill it. And now you're talking about the new covenant. What is the new covenant? Where did Jesus preach against the law in the bible?

According to the bible, where did they stop killing thieves and stoning disobedient children? Didn't you read that Jesus was crucified amongst 2 thieves? Mehn the way you guys interpret this bible is stu.pidly foo.lish in my opinion.

If the Jews could prosecute and hang the good Jesus according to the law, the son of God for an ordinary crime of blasphemy in the New Testament. Who is the supposedly ordinary man to suggest that the law wasn't invoke after the death of Jesus? Where did you read that in the bible?

Korokoro truth you dey try whine me...

Guy, you still dey lie lie for here. To all the atheists on this thread. RudeDough is not doing you any good at all. Yes, I agree he has read the bible and has raised some serious questions. But does he really know and understand what he has read? NO because the more he talks the more he exposes himself.

I will yet again expose you...lol.

Son, I was going to school you on "fulfilling the law" but If you keep showing your lack of understanding of simple verses of the bible..., how do I do that? Yes it is true that Jesus was crucified between two thieves. My questions for you is that...who crucified Jesus and the 2 thieves? The roman authority or the Jews?

rudedough:

[b]It's either one of 2 scenarios.

it is either i made a mistake which if that be the case i am deeply sorry or you have edited your post.

But since you have accepted that it was all a test, and they wouldn't have leached the woman if Jesus had asked them to, i think i can live with that. Cos the way you Christians talk about that part of the bible, feel as though Jesus was against the leaching of prostitute and adulterers.

Listen to your good Jesus

Matthew 5:17-18
Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished".

In other words, the 613 laws of Moses still stands. And it includes:

Stoning of Adulterer and Prostitute
Stoning of disobedient children.
Dashing of new born babies against a rock
If a man ra.pes a girl, and the woman did not shout so loud that the whole city hear her cry, she will be stoned to death.
And if a child is ra.ped by a man, no biggies, the man just need to pay some money and take her home and ra.pe her some more.

Yeah those are a few laws the Good Jesus came to fulfill. But when he was hanged according to the same law, Christians started crying fowl.[/b]

Guy na wa for you o. In which of my former posts did I

1. Accept it was a test
2. Accept that they would not have lynched the woman if he said they should?

Guy you dey fall my hand. You have read the whole bible and understood it yet my short posts you are mis-quoting and misinterpreting...lol

Now for the records I am accepting, "they asked him the question to test him". I agree with you on that. The reason why they asked him is another discussion for another day.

Jesus would never have said for them to stone her. NEVER!!! So your submission that "they wouldn't have lynched her if Jesus asked them to" is just your guess. It is not written in the bible so I don't accept it.

From what is written in the passage I know Jesus would never have asked them to stone her because

1. The woman's accusers themselves are not without sins - hypocrisy
2. He had the authority to forgive so he chose to forgive rather than condemn.

You know what Jesus asked his followers to do? To also forgive those that offend them. So I am going to forgive you for.

1. Mis-quoting my posts to suit yourself (i accept your apology cos anyone can make an error)
2. Having it as an option that I may have edited my post when i did not (that is a great defamation of my character)
3. And lying that I have accepted something you said when I was yet to.

Please try to read and understand my posts.

"Fulfillment of the law?". We will discuss that later bro.

rudedough:

[b]Shouldn't you be ashamed of yourself? I'm an Atheist but I've read your bible but you're a Christian and you know much less about your bible and religion. You don't even know that your God accepts human sacrifices like Ogun and Amadioha.

Stop talking please, you're making a show of shame. Go and study your bible 1st and tell your friend @seemylife that the woman he's talking about wasn't a prostitute. The teachers used her as a trap to accuse Jesus.

John 8:2–11
Then the scribes and Pharisees brought to Him a woman caught in adultery. And when they had set her in the midst, they said to Him,

“Teacher, this woman was caught in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses, in the law, commanded us that such should be stoned. But what do You say?”

This they said, testing Him, that they might have something of which to accuse Him.

When you guys have read your bible, I will be open to discuss with you about your bible and religion cos right now, you guys are only repeating what your Pastors told you like an automated machine.[/b]

Lol...,the more you open your mouth the more you expose yourself. Who said the woman was a prostitute...? lol? You are one of those that will go as low as lying to score prove a point. Aren't you? Go back and read my posts son!

And while you are at it ponder on why "Jesus did not allow her to be stoned"

rudedough:

You haven't read your bible yet you quoted me. Why do you Christians like to argue blindly without any knowledge of what you're arguing about except what was taught you in your Churches?

I don't want to get on that boat, I'm irritated by all you Christians. When you have read your bible, I will be willing to engage you in a more debatable discuss using sculptural evidences.

But for now, Goodluck reading your bible.

Since you have read the bible for so many times. I am wondering how you missed the bit when Jesus refused a woman to be stoned.

I am not irritated by you just so you know. I respect your view bro.

rudedough: [b]Instead of Christian to be ashamed of these acts of God they are trying to justify it, arguing blindly. With the comments here, none so far have read the bible.

If you're a Christian and you have read your bible thoroughly just 1 time please quote me. If you have not then you shouldn't be arguing about the God you don't know.

It's such a shame that you guys are talking about dispensation when God himself is saying he is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow and forever. He's unrepentant and Jesus is not any better.

The Jesus you all hold in high esteem never preached against the law, he encourages it (stoning of disobedient children and dashing of children against a rock), he said he didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfil it. He encourages slavery, immorality and disrespect to parents.

It's such a shame that the acclaimed Christians haven't read their bible but they're ready to kill and die to protect their believe. Study your bible 1st then come back and argue with full knowledge of the scripture.[/b]

Yet, Jesus did not allow a woman to be stoned!!!

Afrobasic:

And not before?

Like a Möbius strip this conversation goes
Back and forth without reaching a consensus. I'm kinda busy now... Some other time... Till then, have a merry Christmas.

And for the third time, No!, Jesus isn't the reason for the season, it's more of a tradition to celebrate Christmas.

*thinking to myself I guess that's why people call it x-mas *shrugs**

I tend to wonder you know..., if one waits for the December 25th before you visit the homeless people or give someone food. Does that mean they will go hungry for the rest 364 days? Christmas is overrated!!!

Afrobasic:

Well if you read my post well again, you'll realize I didn't add it to the 'scriptural' quote.

The "so he would have an excuse to satisfy his blood thirst.'' was part of my own rebuttal implied from the fact that there was no need for heart hardening

Lol..., I like this guy, AfroBasic! I still maintain tho...,please stick to what is written and not to where your inductive reasoning is leading you.

macof:

Now I see you Christians just twist the Bible to suit ur needs.

The very Bible stated that God hardened the mind of pharaoh. doesn't God have the power to do anything, must ur Bible God kill and taste innocent blood before he gets things done?

Couldn't he have softened the mind of pharaoh instead he hardened it to cause a fight

A lot we do! In so many areas. Couldn't he have softened the mind of Pharaoh? I wonder o!

In this same bible we find "pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction," James 1:27. I think we should throw that out!!!

Afrobasic:

Smh... Typical Christian argument always claiming "They twist scriptures". The issue here isn't twisting of scriptures but the convoluted nature of your god

Please tell us how you justify those actions in Rude's opening.

I am not God's lawyer, ask Him to appear at a tribunal and levy the charges against Him.

You quoted "God hardened Pharaoh's heart"..." I give you credit for that because it is written in the bible and you added

"so he would have an excuse to satisfy his blood thirst.'' ... that is not in there! So, don't add it!

If you are going to make God guilty of the charges, at least do it based on what He wrote (or probably said) and not what you have added to it.

Afrobasic:

Smh.. I can see you're either a troll or you don't understand the meaning of a 'point' in regard to a discussion.

Point in the context used means "the essential element of what is being discussed"

So I say again
You've got no point.

Lol..., so you do understand what contextual meaning is? Yet you twist the bible to suit your argument. SMH

Afrobasic:

Weren't you referring to pharaoh as the oppressor? And the isrealites as the opperessed?

If you were, you have no point.

Are your submissions about gaining POINTS? If it is ... good luck to you then. Because I feel you will do anything to gain POINTS even if it means adding to what is not written in the bible. I am outta here.

Afrobasic:

Answering a question with a question


Your question(answer) still doesn't answer the question.

"Why would any 'savior' harden the heart of the oppressor?"

I added that to your list of questions since you can think logically and know what I do not know...

Afrobasic:

That was in reply to this:



Why would any 'savior' harden the heart of the oppressor?

And later kill all their 1st born?

Why would the oppressor kill all the male babies of the oppressed?

Afrobasic:

On the contrary, god harden pharaoh's heart so he would have an excuse to satisfy his blood thirst.

Exodus 9:12
And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had spoken unto Moses.

Yes, God hardened Pharaoh's heart we all know that because it is recorded in the bible I read...

"so he would have an excuse to satisfy his blood thirst.'' ... I can't find that in my bible!

Yes, the bible has records of blood, flesh and destruction and all sort. Do I really want to argue His case for Him? No, He will defend Himself if He needs to.

The same bible talks about when religious people were about to stone a woman to death and Jesus asked, ''the first person that had no sin to cast the first stone''

There is judgement in the bible and there is love and forgiveness also. You either hate Him for His judgement or you love Him for His love and forgiveness. It is your choice!!!

Debate about whether there is a God or NOT is usually unfruitful. The only result is each party gaining supports but does it really produce the PROOF YOU want? NO.

All I know is this;

Look up into the sky,
and see the clouds high above you.
If you sin, how does that affect God?
Even if you sin again and again,
what effect will it have on him?
If you are good, is this some great gift to him?
What could you possibly give him?
No, your sins affect only people like yourself,
and your good deeds also affect only humans. [b]Job 35 (5 - 8 )[/b]

@ZIK where you there when all these scientific discoveries were made?