OlaoChi:

As I have read must atheist in the world were ones Christians who began reading the Bible

They start reading as Christians but end as atheist because they see nothing but lies in christianity

how is that hardening your mind against christianity? These people only start reading the Bible to learn more and hope to get closer to it's God only to find out there's nothing resourceful or reasonable in worshipping such a God, All this from the Bible

As the dude said "Christians don't read their bibles because if they did they wouldn't still be Christians"

There are over 1million people in rudedough's case who leave christianity after thorough reading of the Bible

rudedough: Are the apologist here already? Have they said:

1. Jesus did not steal the horse
2. Jesus did not commandeered the horse
3. Jesus did not borrow the horse

So why did Jesus untie someone's horse and took it away without consent?

Two (2) hefty men walked up to your horse and started untying it, and when you (the owners) asked. Why are you untying my horse? They told you "The Lord needs it".

The Lord na him get am? Na like so them dey take borrow horse in those days?
Is that not bullying to take possession of what does not belong to you?

Christians please explain to us what that passage mean as we Atheist don't have the "Spiritual eye glasses" to understand the bible.

Thank you.

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And after they explain, you will believe God exists or what exactly is the point of the explanation again?

Yes!! Let's start from there. There's no need to go around the tangent, i won't bend. Just please explain to us what the bible meant by "2 men untying someone's horse and taking it away even when the owners asked "why are you untying my horse" the 2 men commanded that the Lord needs it"

We really need to interpret that part of the bible. Maybe if you explain to me, i might consider following Christ.

rationalmind: ^ ^ ^ ^

I think courtesy demands they tell the owner of the horse before attempting to take it.

Or does courtesy not apply to Jesus just like yahweh

If i come where you sit down, grab your phone, you ask me "guy where you dey collect my phone" i come tell you say "my chairman need am". My brother wetin we go call that one?

rudedough:

If i come where you sit down, grab your phone, you ask me "guy where you dey collect my phone" i come tell you say "my chairman need am". My brother wetin we go call that one?

rationalmind:

oppression

@rationalmind I swear you no well...

rudedough: Are the apologist here already? Have they said:

1. Jesus did not steal the horse
2. Jesus did not commandeered the horse
3. Jesus did not borrow the horse

So why did Jesus untie someone's horse and took it away without consent?

Two (2) hefty men walked up to your horse and started untying it, and when you (the owners) asked. Why are you untying my horse? They told you "The Lord needs it".

The Lord na him get am? Na like so them dey take borrow horse in those days?
Is that not bullying to take possession of what does not belong to you?

Christians please explain to us what that passage mean as we Atheist don't have the "Spiritual eye glasses" to understand the bible.

Thank you.

rudedough:

@rationalmind I swear you no well...

Hehehehe I just saw it honestly. You are one very funny guy. This guy will not kill me with laugh one day

So if i waka past @rationalmind see am dey press him iPhone, i come ask @PAGAN 9JA and @OlaoChi make them go that corner right there, say them go see @rationalmind dey press one iPhone, make them gba the iPhone, if him ask any question, make them tell am say "their chairman need am".

That one no be thief abi? Sey @rationalmind go fit fight @PAGAN 9JA and @OlaoChi together. You want make them do am strong thing?

If this is your explanation cos they didn't resist the theft, man you gotta go eat your akpu and ofe nsala ASAP, you're hungry.

seemylife:

Jesus: If anyone ask 'Why are you untying it? ' tell them 'the Lord needs it'

And they got there untying the Colt

The owners: Why are you untying the colt?
The Disciples: The Lord needs it.

Why didn't the owners say, "we don't know any Lord" and resist them?

Jesus gave them the question that would be asked and the answer they should give back.

Logical reasoning that you claim to have does not tell you that, the owners must know the Lord and there was a pre-arrangement.

The owner asked the exact question and the disciple gave the exact answer. DEAL DONE!

Oops I lied, the owners used 'colt' where Jesus used 'it'. Abi u get problem with that as well?

rudedough: Hehehehe I just saw it honestly. You are one very funny guy. This guy will not kill me with laugh one day

So if i waka past @rationalmind see am dey press him iPhone, i come ask @PAGAN 9JA and @OlaoChi make them go that corner right there, say them go see @rationalmind dey press one iPhone, make them gba the iPhone, if him ask any question, make them tell am say "their chairman need am".

That one no be thief abi? Sey @rationalmind go fit fight @PAGAN 9JA and @OlaoChi together. You want make them do am strong thing?

If this is your explanation cos they didn't resist the theft, man you gotta go eat your akpu and ofe nsala ASAP, you're hungry.

rudedough:

Yes!! Let's start from there. There's no need to go around the tangent, i won't bend. Just please explain to us what the bible meant by "2 men untying someone's horse and taking it away even when the owners asked "why are you untying my horse" the 2 men commanded that the Lord needs it"

We really need to interpret that part of the bible. Maybe if you explain to me, i might consider following Christ.

seemylife:

Don't use comedy dodge the question na? Haba! Why were they not resisted? It is such a simple question. You wannabe atheists claim to be rational yet your rationality no reach there.

So your English language poor reach u no know say 's' after owner mean say NO BE one owner?

Mate another reason why I say you guys are blind. You see what you want to see.

nutty_hnic:


Breaking you from the forces of your ideological conformity is gonna be a very tedious task both spiritual and physical. Nevrtheless, I ll try to open your close minds.

Taking individually, each story and quote in the bible May nôt amount to a full case but when taken collectively, each event and quote will hammer home the truth to even the most skeptical reader.

Firstly how would you understand that event when you don't even believe in Christ?

[size=14pt]That event depicts or rather re affirms Jesus's position as the king of the earth. The Lord needed the colt. It was to bear up The Lord. [/size]
And when the disciples told the owners, the spirit of god must have been there to manifest his presence that was why they gave in.

You want to accuse Jesus of misapprhending the property of others here. if the disciples were stealing the colt on Jesus' behalf, and committing a criminal act, why did the owners let them take it?

the owners made no effort to stop what was going on, and the disciples were allowed to leave with the colt unhindered. So there is obviously more to this story.



It's a prophesy being fulfilled. Read below;

1. The Bible is, indeed, the Word of God. Matthew tells us that all this was done that the prophecy of Zechariah 9:9 might be fulfilled. — “Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.” Because that was written in the Book of Zechariah, Luke writes, “And it came to pass.”

2. Our great Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, is the omniscient, all-knowing God. He told his disciples exactly were they would find the ass and her colt and exactly what would happen when they found them.

Tbc.

Hmmmm Nice!! Jesus is the "KING OF THE EARTH" so he can take possession of people's property. That sums it all up, i think we Atheists understand that passage better now.

@rationalmind Who was the person that said God and Jesus are the best escape artist again? I think i need to meet that person right away.

rudedough:

Please don't talk about my poor grammar, you don't want to go there with me. Let's keep it real and have fun while we understand the bible.

Let's analyse that passage, but first let's see what "a Colt" is.

Colt (klt)
n.
1. A young male horse.

Adult's don't ride on "Colt" so could it be that "the owners" were Children against 2 hefty grown a$$ men? Or they were women against 2 grown a$$ men.

If that be the case, how can they defend themselves against these men who came to steal commandeer borrow untie their "Colt" without their consent. Whatever your excuses may be, you still haven't explained to this congregation why Jesus took away someone's "colt" with a command that "The Lord needs it".

Kindly explain that portion to us Sir, we will be delighted to know what happened there.

rudedough:

Hmmmm Nice!! Jesus is the "KING OF THE EARTH" so he can take possession of people's property. That sums it all up, i think we Atheists understand that passage better now.

@rationalmind Who was the person that said God and Jesus are the best escape artist again? I think i need to meet that person right away.

seemylife:

I asked you a simple question that didn't the 's' after OWNER tell they were more than one in response to your iPhone analogy. I was just being cheeky with the English bits

Adults don't ride on colt. This guy don kill me o. Yet Jesus at 33 rode on it. Go sleep son! Lol.

Did you read the rest of my post. Go back and read it.

seemylife:

I asked you a simple question that didn't the 's' after OWNER tell they were more than one in response to your iPhone analogy. I was just being cheeky with the English bits

Adults don't ride on colt. This guy don kill me o. Yet Jesus at 33 rode on it. Go sleep son! Lol.

Did you read the rest of my post. Go back and read it.

I don't need to engage in your back and forth argument without proof or facts. You still cannot explain the passage, but you keep ranting.

@nutty_hnic has given us a predicted answer and it is acceptable to us. A proof that when Jesus takes something that does not belong to him, it's not theft cos he is the "KING OF THE EARTH". So let's move on to the next.

rudedough:

Yes!! Let's start from there. There's no need to go around the tangent, i won't bend. Just please explain to us what the bible meant by "2 men untying someone's horse and taking it away even when the owners asked "why are you untying my horse" the 2 men commanded that the Lord needs it"

We really need to interpret that part of the bible. Maybe if you explain to me, i might consider following Christ.

rudedough:

I don't need to engage in your back and forth argument without proof or facts. You still cannot explain the passage, but you keep ranting.

@nutty_hnic has given us a predicted answer and it is acceptable to us. A proof that when Jesus takes something that does not belong to him, it's not theft cos he is the "KING OF THE EARTH". So let's move on to the next.

rudedough:

Hmmmm Nice!! Jesus is the "KING OF THE EARTH" so he can take possession of people's property. That sums it all up, i think we Atheists understand that passage better now.

@rationalmind Who was the person that said God and Jesus are the best escape artist again? I think i need to meet that person right away.

nutty_hnic:

That was the only thing you could pick from all I wrote?

I will not be surprised If you practice wizardry as your signature tells.

You are nt an atheist. You are trying hard to destroy gods gospel. One day you will answer to all these.

My brother, i don't like long stories, i like to hit the nail on the hammer, hit the hammer on the table, hammer the table on the nail, nail the table on the hammer... (English hard oo) In short i no dey like long thing.

Direct answers only please and that line sums up everything you wrote. Take a look at it again and see that the rest are mere excuses.

I'm a wizard, no lie.

I accept fowl, God accepts fowl too.
I accept human sacrifices, God accept human sacrifices too.
I kill, God kill more.
I harden people's heart, God hardens people's heart too.
I steal, God steals.
I like blood sacrifices and the smell of burnt flesh, God likes the aroma too.

My brother, we are all wizards in our own ways.

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Not a very juicy deal for me. You are being selfish. Anyways, the Bible passage shows that the 'owner' was okay with his animal being used by his Master. He asked for explanation and the explanation suited him, no point your taking panadol or what was not even an headache. i've seen people who are ready and pleased to entertain their masters and friends, nothing rocket science in that.

rationalmind:

Lol, na plaetton bro. That is the best quote I have ever read on nairaland.

Mehn invite that guy here, make him dey see the real escape. Those ones wey him don see (The Law and Grace and the rest) na small ones. Today we are discussing the NEW TESTAMENT and JESUS only.

But honestly i think say i don box them for corner but them still dey escape. .

rationalmind:

Question is, why should they start untying the horse without telling the owner.

Please note that, it was even a case of if any one asks them why untying it. Then, they should give a response

Meaning, if no one challenges them, they can as well take it without the owners consent.

Common, Jesus is morally deficient. No amount of twisting will change that.

seemylife:

He knew where the Colt was...
He knew no one had sat on it before...

Think man.., think! Does that suggest to you the possibility of pre arrangement or NOT?

rationalmind:

Question is, why should they start untying the horse without telling the owner.

Please note that, it was even a case of if any one asks them why untying it. Then, they should give a response

Meaning, if no one challenges them, they can as well take it without the owners consent.

Common, Jesus is morally deficient. No amount of twisting will change that.

seemylife:

He knew where the Colt was...
He knew no one had sat on it before...

Think man.., think! Does that suggest to you the possibility of pre arrangement or NOT?

rudedough:

Mehn invite that guy here, make him dey see the real escape. Those ones wey him don see (The Law and Grace and the rest) na small ones. Today we are discussing the NEW TESTAMENT and JESUS only.

But honestly i think say i don box them for corner but them still dey escape. .