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blueAgent:
i will read the one of david and respond . but for now Look God is not equal to you or answerable to you. eg if i make robot i have the right to program the robot the way i like. and can also destory it any time or how i want.
same with God. God is not running a deomocracy. if it was so he could have requested for your permission before bringing you into this world.

Isaiah 46:10
New International Version
I make known the end from the beginning, from
ancient times, what is still to come. I say, 'My
purpose will stand, and I will do all that I
please.'

God can kill becos he has the moral right but man can not becos he cannot create human being. Eziekel 18:4
King James Bible
Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the
father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the
soul that sinneth, it shall die.
God is our maker . the same way a government has authority to punishe offenders. so has God .even more authority becos he is our sole maker.

Your God kills because he has a moral right to do so? What an absurdity!!!
Your God can lie because he has the moral right to lie?
Your God can enslave because he has the right to do so?
Your God do all kinds of sin because he has the moral right? WHAT IS THE ESSENCE OF MORALITY?

He is not qualify to be a god!!! He committed all kinds of sin yet you say he is a perfect God? Your Bible God is not worth to punish people for their sin. Isn't wickedness to punish people for the sin you yourself do commit? If your God created humans therefore there is another God that created that your God. So you mean your father has the moral right to kill you because they gave birth to you?

blueAgent:
While their zeal is appreciated and
applauded, it is misguided. Morality by its
very nature allows for exemptions in certain
circumstances; and this occurs not because
God’s law lacks universal validity, but because
God’s law accounts for conflicts of moral
goods—that is, moral dilemmas. Moral
dilemmas occur whenever there are, in God’s
providence, decisions whose alternatives all
have moral reasons opposing them to some
extent. 2 For instance, imagine a dreadful
situation where a killer has taken a mother’s
two sons; the criminal then tells the mother
at gunpoint that she must choose to save
only one of her two sons or else lose them
both, and the mother, unfortunately, is
entirely unable to fight back. The mother
therefore has the very difficult decision of
choosing one (or both) of her own sons to
die. Such a situation would be a moral
dilemma, for moral reasons resist all three of
the options (choosing the first son, choosing
the second son, and choosing neither) but
one of them must be selected. Choosing a
child to die is grievously wrong in ordinary
circumstances, but it might be permitted in
these very dire circumstances. 3
To use a better and less ghastly example of
a moral dilemma, consider the Hebrew
midwives who lied to Pharaoh in order to
save their own people’s babies (Exodus
1:15-20). Lying is ordinarily sinful—there is a
strong moral presumption forbidding
deception—but here is a circumstance where
moral reasons even more strongly forbade
truth-telling, since it would have led to the
babies’ (and their own) deaths. Lying is an
act which would be wrong in normal
circumstances, but here it is permitted due to
overriding moral concerns. Additionally,
consider the practice of divorce. Many
Christians hold that divorce is permissible
only in cases of adultery and abandonment.
According to them, divorce is ordinarily wrong
—something that God hates (Mal. 2:16)—but
it is permitted by these rarer and overriding
moral reasons. (Even then, there are more
complicated moral concerns to take into
account, since it can also be better for
couples to reconcile even after adultery or
abandonment has occurred.) While Christians
might not all apply the language of intrinsic
immorality to divorce, they would still
certainly refer to lying (and selecting a child
to die) as intrinsically immoral. Nonetheless,
without denying these acts’ intrinsic
immorality, one can posit exceedingly rare
circumstances which morally legitimize
instances of these intrinsically immoral acts.
This is not a contradiction of the idea that
some acts are inherently wrong; it is just a
clarification of the idea of an act’s being
inherently wrong. Similarly, this is not an
idea that God’s law contradicts itself; it is
just an affirmation that God’s law accounts
for all the complexities and interrelations of
competing moral goods in all possible
circumstances. The possibility of moral
dilemmas does not entail that we must
sometimes choose between sin and sin—
which is awful and blasphemous to suggest,
for God could never force us to sin—but it
does mean that our moral choices sometimes
will be very difficult and strenuous.

Morality or your Bible God allow exemption? Lol... "Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons" - Acts:10:34 This is just another contradiction. That shows your God is a partial God. He will roast other people in hell fire for lying while he allow other people to lie. He himself lies!!!

Sin is sin, whether you lied to defend yourself or otherwise it's still sin. Why did he put his law without stating its exemptions? At least humans laws still have a stated exemption.

blueAgent:
Don't confuse yourself. Jehovah is the same being as God. God is the only creator o of all things and lives both arabs,blacks,white.asians. people call him different names in their language.
yes the bible is God's inspired word. and only the bible has ever explianed human existence and creation of this earth and its end. God knows the end from the begining.
go and check history books all the prophices have been fullifilled and confirmed by historians and archologists.eg.
in the book of Isaiah 20New International Version (NIV)
A Prophecy Against Egypt and Cush
20 In the year that the supreme commander, sent
by Sargon king of Assyria, came to Ashdod and
attacked and captured it— 2 at that time the Lord
spoke through Isaiah son of Amoz. He said to
him, “Take off the sackcloth from your body and
the sandals from your feet.” And he did so, going
around stripped and barefoot.
3 Then the Lord said, “Just as my servant Isaiah
has gone stripped and barefoot for three years, as
a sign and portent against Egypt and Cush,[ a] 4 so
the king of Assyria will lead away stripped and
barefoot the Egyptian captives and Cushite exiles,
young and old, with buttocks bared—to Egypt’s
shame. 5 Those who trusted in Cush and boasted
in Egypt will be dismayed and put to shame. 6 In
that day the people who live on this coast will
say, ‘See what has happened to those we relied
on, those we fled to for help and deliverance
from the king of Assyria! How then can we
escape?’”
Footnotes:
a. Isaiah 20:3 That is, the upper Nile region;
also in verse 5
New International Version (NIV)
did it happen yes. and confirmed by historians. Egypt was invaded by the Assyrians and many more.

Really? People call the same God in different names? Therefore you worship the same God but why do you reject to worship in shrine after all you worship the same God. Do you now see why God is wicked? He is the same person who created many holy books so that they can fight each other? He gave Christian Bible, Islam Quran and other books. He causes confusion and put some being to slavery. Why can't he give one perfect book to mankind? Don't be deceived your God is different from other gods as what you people do preach.

Your Bible God also inspired slavery,lies, killings and also invented hell fire where he will roast them. Your Bible God was sleeping when he was giving his inspiration. He didn't realize he was giving out contradictions and confusions.

seggzz:
Provided the two women can swim. And you know women need money, I will go for the money. If only my mum can swim, I will asked her to save/take the money while I save my wife.

Shikena!!

I will save my mum and hide the money inside her bra and enjoy

Provided the two women can swim. And you know women need money, I will go for the money. If only my mum can swim, I will asked her to save/take the money while I save my wife.

Shikena!!

Here in this forum, anything against Islam is almost prohibited. You can't see anything of such in front page of this forum. You see as a free thinker, i read anything that comes my way. Be it Quran, Bible and others.

For thinkers, we don't just talk about christianity but about religion entirely. Check my post where issue of slave rape is highly accepted in Islam. And this was supported by a scholar in Islam.

blueAgent:
Lies. their are people serving GOD faithfully stop decieving Yourself.

Under what are they serving God faithfully? By old Testament or new testaments? Is it by faith or obeying the ten commandments?
How do Bible says tithes should be collected? If you claimed you are righteous, I can list over 20 sins you committed daily.

blueAgent:
U are a proper fool. If men with power could do all this evil in this world without been questioned by U. how much more God Almighty who made U without requesting for ur opinion. secondly what lie did God Lie.?
so if governments can fight wars and kill. so God who owns everything including humans can not kill when he pleases. faith is only a demonstration of your alligenance to GOD . the bible says faith without Works is dead. you cannot say you have faith and still disobey God's moral laws. their are laws and they require faith in GOD for you to live properly by that law.

First of all, you just call somebody a fool. He that call his brother a fool shall be roasted in hell fire, do you know this is in your Bible? Check Matthew 5: 22.

Evil men are always questioned and judge by an incorruptible governments. Even president Buhari questioned Dasuki's arms deals. Your God allow it also.

What can you say about the book of 1kings 22:21-22? In these verses, God put lying tongues or spirits in the mouth of his prophets. Must He tells them to lie before He can prove something?

blueAgent:
Spontaneous Generation
How does the evolutionist explain the existence
of that first one-celled animal from which all life
forms supposedly evolved? For many years the
medieval idea of spontaneous generation was the
accepted explanation. According to Webster,
spontaneous generation is "the generation of
living from nonliving matter … [it is taken] from
the belief, now abandoned, that organisms found
in putrid organic matter arose spontaneously
from it."
Simply stated, this means that under the proper
conditions of temperature, time, place, etc.,
decaying matter simply turns into organic life.
This simplistic idea dominated scientific thinking
until 1846, when Louis Pasteur completely
shattered the theory by his experiments. He
exposed the whole concept as utter foolishness.
Under controlled laboratory conditions, in a
semi-vacuum, no organic life ever emerged from
decaying, nonliving matter. Reluctantly it was
abandoned as a valid scientific issue. Today no
reputable scientist tries to defend it on a
demonstrable basis. That is why Webster says it
is "now abandoned." It never has been and never
can be demonstrated in the test tube. No present
process is observed that could support the idea
of spontaneous generation. Obviously, if
spontaneous generation actually did take place in
the distant past to produce the first spark of life,
it must be assumed that the laws that govern life
had to be completely different from what they are
now. But wait a minute! This won't work either,
because the whole evolutionary theory rests upon
the assumption that conditions on the earth have
remained uniform throughout the ages.
Do you begin to see the dilemma of the
evolutionists in explaining that first amoeba, or
monad, or whatever formed the first cell of life? If
it sprang up spontaneously from no previous life,
it contradicts a basic law of nature that forms the
foundation of the entire theory. Yet, without
believing in spontane¬ous generation, the
evolutionist would have to acknowledge
something other than natural forces at work—in
other words, God. How do they get around this
dilemma?
Dr. George Wald, Nobel Prize winner of Harvard
University, states it as cryptically and honestly as
an evolutionist can:
"One has only to contemplate the magnitude
of this task to concede that the spontaneous
generation of a living organism is
impossible. Yet here we are—as a result, I
believe, of spontaneous generation."
Scientific American, August 1954.
That statement by Dr. Wald demonstrates a much
greater faith than a religious creationist can
muster. Notice that the great evolutionary
scientist says it could not have happened. It was
impossible. Yet he believes it did happen. What
can we say to that kind of faith? At least the
creationist believes that God was able to speak
life into existence. His is not a blind faith in
something that he concedes to be impossible.
So here we are, face to face with the first
contradiction of evolution with a basic law of
science. In order to sustain his humanistic
explanation of the origin of life, he must accept
the exploded, unscientific theory of spontaneous
generation. And the big question is this: Why is
he so violently opposed to the spontaneous
generation spoken of in the Bible? A miracle of

Are you saying it's only your Bible God who created lives? What of Allah, Sango, Jehovah and others? Did Jehovah God created only Isreal? Did Allah created only Arab? What made you think that the God that created lives is your Bible God? Can you prove that to me?

blueAgent:
Let any
reasonable mind contemplate the alternatives for
a moment. Doesn't it take more faith to believe
that chance could produce life than it does to
believe infinite intelligence could produce it?

I believed that there is a super natural being who is perfect, sin free, who doesn't kill or lie. I believe in all perfect creator and the all in all. The almighty Creator I believe in is not the wicked one who established religion to torment. He shouldn't be the one that would enslave, kill, lie and roast people in fire. My Almighty Creator should be more merciful than my parents. I know my parents cannot throw me inside fire just for lying. How much more the most merciful.......

blueAgent:
Over 100000000000000000000000000000000000% perfect.

Really? I got hundreds of contradictions found in your Holy Bible? Why will your God purposely put confusion in the mind of his followers. Check out some things that probably make HIM perfect as you said.

(1). There's contradiction on the number of men chief of David's captain killed.
A. 2 Samuel 23:8 wrote 800 men were killed by him
B. 1 chronicles 11:11 wrote 300 men were killed.

(2). The Bible made us know that we should not kill. God Himself killed, check the story of flood and Noah, story of ten plagues, etc

(3) God said you should not lie? Check about the woman that hid the Isreal spies, check the story of the lying prophets, check how the Egyptian midwives were rewarded for lying and many more.

You can keep me loading...... If you want.

yemmit90:
I'm speaking from experience sir. i spent less than 500k on the same 3 bedroom flat(large sitting room with separate designed dinning,each room with toilet and bathroom,store room etc).

May i ask, how much is a block go for in your area?

He can spend 1.2m depending on the width and length of the rooms. Just 3500 blocks is enough for the whole building. Just give contract to one person who in turn pays his fellow workers. For omo onile boys you could settle them 200k and many other expenses involved. I built my two bedrooms flat with just 1m. For more advice you could pm me

PNomsule:
Wouldn't you rather quantify contextually how he would make more money selling the anti-virus compared to Microsoft usage, perhaps would help drive home your point, don't forget also that a depopulated world would mean less money for Microsoft obviously plus again, a reducing number of patronage for his Antivirus.

Did you know that there was a vaccine against Ebola. Pentagon scientists were developing it for 30 years, and all the rights for the drug belong to the government of the United States. Do you know the other purposes of these bio weapons?

PNomsule:
What does Bill Gates stand to gain by a depopulated world?! Methinks he would gain more financially with a growing number of world populace - more money for Microsoft...

He will gain more than you expected. He that created the virus sells Antivirus. And thereby gaining much money. Do you know number drugs that will sell?

aAK1:
i keep an open mind when it comes to matters like this,i dont trust the west

My findings last year has begin to show up practically. I posted some food we ignorantly eat without knowing we are killing ourselves. Check out the response from some from this post www.nairaland.com/2161593/ten-poisons-found-foodcheck-how

NobleAngell:
Did she say cool or chilled? Agbaya lason.

All join

Keneking:
Ok

Bet with me, over 90% of Nigerian still eat outside. I mean they eat in the eateries and other public places. They can't do without them if they eat out. It is in this forum I gave reasons you need to cook and eat at home.

iamclime:
THE COST OF LIVING IN SAGAMU IS DEFINITELY LOWER THAN THAT OF IKEJA. TRAFFIC SITUATION IS ALSO BETTER. YOUR FRIEND MAY END UP HAVING MORE DISPOSABLE INCOME AT THE END OF THE MONTH COMPARED TO IKEJA WHERE THE COST OF ACCOMMODATION, TRANSPORT, FEEDING, AND UTILITIES WILL ALMOST SWALLOW THE WHOLE SALARY.HOWEVER, HE MAY DECIDE TO RENT A PLACE IN LOCATIONS LIKE IPAJA, AYOBO, ABORU, IJEGUN, ETC WHERE PRICES ARE RELATIVELY LOW BUT HE WILL HAVE TRAFFIC TO CONTEND WITH. WILL PROVIDE MORE INFO. LATER.

Thanks but do you know how much will he spend on food, security, waste management, others. Your points will be highly appreciated.

raf2angel:
Becarefull of what you wish for

He is wishing good thing for himself. Some said he'll is grave. The common place all dead people go.

Chukzyfcb:
Okay now I get you. Its good you believe in God. Well as wee christians, we are to believe and do all that's in the bible. In the end, LOVE is seen as the biggest commandment. I'm not one who says christianity is the most superior form of religion. But its one I have known about, and I agree with its norms & teachings. Because the basis for the christian movement is LOVE. But I'll advice you dig deeper into religion and find the true one. You cannot just say You believe in God and don't know nada about who you believe in. Search for this God you believe in, seek out reviews from all forms of religion and settle with that your instincts tells you itss right! Coz to me, No religion is more superior . The diff Religion is just a spiritual bond!

Are you dodging my question? I'm waiting

promise10:
That's how they used to dodge.

I have given him the clear answer. Evolution is the process whereby primitive life gives rise to different and more complex life. That's all it is. It starts with something and produces other somethings, and the better somethings persist. It usually takes millions of years for a complete revolution.

Abiogenesis is the process whereby primitive life was created in the first place. We don't know how this happened, though there are hypotheses (one experiment zapped mini-lightning into a sample of primitive Earth's atmosphere and produced amino acids - not life, but quite close).
Abiogenesis was a chemical process, and it could afford to be extremely unlikely because it only had to happen once. Abiogenesis starts with a non-organic compound and produces a one-in-a-zillion organic something, once. Not hard to accept; it's a big, old planet and there were a zillion chances to do it.

My questions for only you to answer.
If a god can have existed forever, why can't the universe have always existed in some form? The universe is a lot simpler than a god must be. And if the universe can't have existed forever, how can you know that a god has, other than by declaring it? Whatever constraints you place on the universe to necessitate God, you immediately have to break them to ALLOW God to exist.

OneManLegion:
My dear brother, who told you evolution has stalled?
What made you believe that 1000 years is significant in the time-scale of evolution?
Evolution takes MILLIONS OF YEARS, not a couple of thousand years. I think you may want to read on that.
As regards the big-bang theory, I'm an not in the science field but I'm sufficiently knowledgable about the topic to tell you that the big-bang theoretically occurred via the explosion cause by the contact of matter and anti-matter(also called the god-particle) on a very massive scale.

I never said evolution has stalled. I agree that proper evolution takes million years. It doesn't just 1000 years for a complete evolution. But still, the way they think 1000 years ago is different now.

Chukzyfcb:
What are the questions? I didn't get any

Is your Bible God perfect?

Chukzyfcb:
Okay let's talk about the "big-bang".....what causedd the big bang, yea yea science say explosion led to the scattering of planets bla bla, but what led to the big bang to first occur, science do not know......
About evolution; we'v been taught in biology that man evolved from one form to now complex form. But the question is, why has the evolution stopped? Why hasn't man evolved since over a 1000years. We still share similar body features with our ancestors of a 1000yrs. Why has the evolution stalled?

At least have answered one of you questions. Will you answer my questions too? I said once again it's muddled among abiogenesis, evolution and big bang theory. What does abiogenesis say about life? Science are still in continuous search and making findings. We don't share all the physical and mental structure as they were 1000 years ago.

Chukzyfcb:
I told yu to summarize and you craftily dodged the questions. Perhaps , its because you have no concrete answer. How does metal flying or discovering more planets contradict what's in the bible. Or were you told metals flew In the bible? Bring up relevant points to buttress your liberal thoughts. OGA, HOW WAS HUMAN CREATED, SIMPLE QUESSTION!!! #write a 3line sentence to explain the Creation of man, stop beating around the bush!

I looked to science to answer questions on creation of humans and universe. I believe creation of human and the universe is muddled among evolution, abiogenesis and the big bang theory. If God is the creator of human I don't think that God is the God of your Bible. The same God can't just approve slavery and evil things on the people he created.

iamclime:
YOUR POST IS A BIT AMBIGUOUS; PLEASE CLARIFY. WHAT ARE THE LOCATIONS IN LAGOS AND OGUN? WHAT IS THE NATURE OF THE JOBS? THE COST OF LIVING AND THE STANDARD OF LIVING IN THE TWO PLACES CAN THEN BE FACTORED IN.

They deal with services, the Location in Ogun and Lagos state are in sagamu and Ikeja. How will he know the cost and standard of living in sagamu when he has not been there? Your points are needed on reasons you will take one over the other.

Chukzyfcb:
Okay, sorry for calling you an atheist, you seem to know lots about christianity. I'll like to know about your free thinking. So please summarize for us christians how humans were created?

This your question is not a day question. It's not just a page write-up. Do you think your God created humans? Do you believe in gravity? Do you believe in evolution? I look to science to answer the questions of the universe. There was once a notion that we have only one planet and heaven is the cloud we see above. But today, science has made us know that there about ten planets and still searching..... We were no longer seeing the atmosphere again as heaven. Science are still in process of discovering things. Thank God for scientists who discovered Ebola cure. Many things that are beliefs before are proven wrong today. Can you believe metal can fly in the sky?

Chukzyfcb:
Oky Mr seggz since you re an atheist, can you pls say; how humans were created? How did life form begin from your atheist theory

For your information, I'm not an atheist, I'm a free thinker. I believe there is a creator but not the one in religion.

The God in your religion is too wicked to follow. He wants to roast people on fire. He kills and asked people not to kill; He lies and asked people not to lie and many others.

Why is faith only the requirements to enter heaven and not laws?

geez18:
i see you're just here to argue and not to make meaningful discussion.anyways,i'm not suprised,unbelieve is a tool of the devil.

You got it wrong by saying there is hell fire? God created humans as you believe and that same God want to roast them on fire. Is that God fair enough? Can you yourself roast your son on fire because he lied? How come the all mercy God want to roast sinners on fire?

Did you just call devil? Who is the creator of free will? Why must you punish someone for doing what you wanted. You wanted free will in men and you still punish them, ehn?

geez18:
i have never said i'm perfect. believing in God,believing in his son Jesus is the first step to redemption for there is no salvation without confession. a fool says there's no God!

You have just committed sin by calling another person a fool. The Bible said you shouldn't call someone a fool, ehn? What criteria is used in believing in the son? Lets start from there.

geez18:
for those doubting the existence of hell i have one question for you. you say there's no hell,you say there's no God,ok.but myself,i believe there is God and there is hell.now,if at the end of time;at the end of our lives,we find there is no God and neither is there hell,fine.we've lost nothing,you and i since believing cost me nothing.but i ask this question,what if at the end of time we discover there is God and there is hell,what will you do?would it not be better that you erred on the side of caution by simply believing?afterall,what does it cost you to believe?

Are you righteous? From what I know all are sinners? I'm sure you don't obey the law of Moses. Therefore you will end up a sinner when you die. Book of leviticus chapter 19 made me know that all Christians are sinners. Do you eat meat? Barb your hair? What of wearing fabrics clothes? And many more.

So to your points now, if you find out there is hell and God, you would be more punish than the others. This is because you know the law and you can't follow it. You will surely die as sinner because no humans can obey all that laws.