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How do they know he has gone to hell.

ZolotuaLorenzo:
You shouldn’t even be here

Bros you should ask him who he wants out. He will not give you a straight answer because he doesn't know?

lymelyte:
Attention freaks

He has eventually gotten it..My worries is that some innocent and legally 9jerians will feel the heat..

Na Hushpuppie people.

JaceBlaze:
Fair point.

No! They are cheap hard labourers,greed and capitalism's ultimate favourites.

Then you must move your economy towards nationalization and socialism. Crony capitalism or what you guys over there refer to as "state capture" is the order of the day and your government are the guilty party not low hanging fruit like the Malawian who crossed the border illegally to come pick up the crumbs off the table.

Don't get me wrong now there is an illegal immigration problem in South Africa and no country should tolerate such illegality, but we can see clearly who is being scapegoated here.

Kobojunkie:
Do you have proof of this, or are you merely foaming at the mouth?

No be today South Africa start.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1clBopV8vMI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Knq89GdXSIM

Emmamay10:
Capetown policemen have arrested the guy today

Good. We support.

JaceBlaze:
Oh really? You do realise the "hard workers" who are now back in their countries like Zimbabwe,Malawi and so on are broke AF right now? Their greedy employers who exploited them over the years left them to hang and dry.No retirement packages,no contingencies set up for them l, nothing.Yeah we natives are jealous of all that.

No migrant working under the table is expecting retirement packages or contingencies. They know fully well when the game is up, its up which is why they usually send a majority of their earnings back home to build homes, fund childrens educations and save for the inevitable.

They are indeed "hard workers" in my book .

erico2k2:
Just Imagine In Nigeria you say a Ghanian, or a cameroonian, or a togolis is Illegal how?

SA just got independence in 94, they haven't gone through somethings the rest of Africa has post-independence so are oriented differently.

TimiofAbuja:
Illegal immigrants should be sent back to their respective countries which is a good policy for any reasonable nation. SA citizens created this awareness and Government should responsible for sending the illegal migrants back with the help of the locals but no. the local threaten them to leave and government did nothing about it. if illegal migrants were only the one sent back it would have been better but legal migrants were badly affected and some lives were cut short, businesses and shops were looted. what are the foreign policies SA government outlined as regards to the countries affected?

Bros its like we are seeing one thing and the South Africans are saying no we are doing another.

"What you do speaks so loudly that I can't hear what you are saying."

IronGalaxy:
Lol, here we go "xenophobia".. what else in that limited arsenal?

You know me.

IronGalaxy:
Oh here's the perpetual victim, always whining.. urgh..

How can I be a victim. I am not being harassed by xenophobes in SA.

boringdraw:
So the anger is a justification to murder people on the street. Why not direct your anger at immigration ministry.
If someone wear my traditional attire i will be glad his associating with my culture, but in SA, meaning will be read into it to justify their next barbaric action.
Most of you are truly dump.

Nowadays don't even dare to speak Zulu, you will be accused of stealing their Language. The foreigners are taking everything left, right and center.

Kobojunkie:
This one think say protecting his insecurities onto others is the way to win arguments. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy8dmelnjk7o

Where in the entirety of your post can you show were Ghana "invited" South Africa?


Go and drink your medicine Kobojunkie.

Kobojunkie:
Are you OK in the head? In the first seconds of the video, you are literally informed that the visit was planned, not imposed or without the knowledge of the Ghanian government.

You need to go drink your Medicine. The entire video is based around a request to be "approved" before any formal visits is made.

What does "impose" have to do with anything. Which government imposes a state visit on another?

Kobojunkie:
Did South invite itself to Ghana? State Visits are usually by invitation from the prospective host. 🥱

Please listen to the below starting from minute 5:00 and stopping opening your mouth to just talk.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlfOO21j-NA

RandDigital:
Alright, fair enough. Tourist hotspots aren't affected though, suburbs or foreign nationals in corporate or universities. The issue is localised - where there's a high concentration of illegal migrants like townships, Hillbrow, etc.

That's the travel advise countries should offer their citizens.

Tourists spots are affected like Vilakazi street in soweto, Maboneng, Durban beach, Suncity and the rest.

Which African will want to take the risk of being accosted in those areas.

Kobojunkie:
Did South invite itself to Ghana? State Visits are usually by invitation from the prospective host. 🥱

Not necessarily. Requests are usually made on behalf of the visiting country or delegates.

Kobojunkie:
1. Illegal immigrants impose themselves on the people and the system they illegally enter into. 🥱

2. Migration will never stop. Illegal immigration, though, may. 🥱

I thought you said people should stay put whereever they find themselves cause humans were territorial.

brain54:
:::


What do you mean by impose themselves on the south African people and government?


Secondly, if African governments build a better country for their people migration will automatically stop?

No mind am. The Europeans ran away from Europe because of religious prosecution to seek refugee in different parts of the world, no one talk.

Even Nazi's ran away instead of facing the music in Germany to seek asylum and nobody talk.

Kobojunkie:
Let's also push for other African countries to build better country for their people so they would be no incentive for them to impose themselves on the South African people and government. 🥱

Who is imposing. South Africa wanted to vist, Ghana said no thank you.

RandDigital:
Anyway, denial ain't just a river in Egypt. Will post when target reached. Ok wena 👍🏾

If you are asking for my input then a personal level I have a lot of friends here and across West Africa that I know have cancelled their trips to South Africa this coming summer and rebooked to Rwanda so in my opinion you will have economic effects.

RandDigital:
South African economy has grown at low levels for decades, resulting in high levels of unemployment and discontent. However, the country remains Africa's largest economy and bond for a record-breaking $500B GDP if the current 0.5-1% growth moment continues.

Economists say the biggest cost of June 30 may not have been the protests themselves, but the millions of rands in lost trade as businesses chose safety over opening their rather than risk operating.

Although widespread violence was largely averted during the anti-immigration marches on June 30, economists and business leaders say the uncertainty surrounding the demonstrations came at a significant cost to South Africa's economy, with millions of rands in trade lost as businesses opted to close their doors rather than risk operating.

Across Cape Town, shopping centres, township businesses, wholesalers, clothing retailers, furniture stores and informal traders either remained closed for the day or operated on reduced trading hours as concerns mounted over possible violence and looting.

Cape Chamber of Commerce spokesperson Bobby Jordan said while coordinated safety partnerships between business, law enforcement and government prevented widespread disruption to the broader regional economy, small businesses ultimately paid the price.

"While coordinated safety partnerships shielded the broader regional economy from widespread gridlock, the threat of unrest still imposed a financial and operational burden on SMMEs (small businesses). We received widespread reports of small business closures," Jordan said.

"When fear paralyses even a fraction of that ecosystem, forcing township traders and retailers to close their doors, millions of rands in unrecoverable daily cash flow evaporate from the communities that need it most."

Unlike larger corporations that often have financial reserves to cushion temporary setbacks, Jordan said many SMMEs simply could not recover the income lost during the day.

Jordan welcomed the coordinated response that kept much of the province peaceful but said longer-term solutions were needed.

"While business and law enforcement successfully demonstrated what can be achieved through proactive crisis coordination, stakeholders warn that reactive containment is not a permanent strategy.

"To restore long-term confidence, the government must move past short-term management and decisively address the root causes, specifically community discontent over crime, immigration regulation, and a lack of labour law enforcement, by strictly enforcing compliance across all sectors."

Economist Ulrich Joubert said the consequences extended far beyond small businesses, affecting the economy as a whole.

"We must remember that it's not only SMMEs that are affected by events like 30 June, it's the total economy. Big business is also adversely affected because these events cause disruption."

"Normally one must assume that that money is lost forever. So it has a negative impact on businesses, whether it's a small business or a big business."

"These disruptions have a negative impact on overall consumer confidence. If these marches continue over the next six months, as organisers have suggested, they will continue to weigh on consumer confidence."

Joubert also expressed concern about the message such disruptions send to international investors.

"Why would anyone from overseas come and invest in South Africa if they see these sorts of disruptions? Unfortunately, the overall situation is negative. It has a negative impact on small business, on big business, on consumers in general and on investment."

He further cautioned against overlooking the economic contribution made by skilled foreign nationals.

"Many foreign workers bring valuable skills to South Africa. In many cases they fill jobs that South Africans do not want to do or they bring qualifications and experience that benefit the economy. From an economic perspective, skilled foreign labour is an asset because the country benefits from those skills without having paid for that person's education."

Economist Dawie Roodt agreed that the day had undoubtedly affected businesses, particularly smaller enterprises that rely on daily income, although he believes some of the immediate losses could be recovered.

"There will be an impact on the economy, especially on smaller businesses that can't afford a day's lost business, because that is basically what in many cases happened on the day. But I'm not too concerned about that, because this lost revenue can usually be made up over the next couple of days or so. Lost production can be caught up, and South Africa has become quite resilient when it comes to these kinds of disruptions."

Roodt said his greater concern was the broader economic implications of growing hostility towards foreign nationals.

"It seems to me that we have been quite successful in expelling a lot of illegal immigrants, but also probably a lot of legal immigrants to South Africa."

While he stressed that everyone should comply with the country's immigration laws, he said immigrants make an important contribution to the economy.

"The reality is that those immigrants in South Africa are, on a net basis, significant contributors to the South African economy. In many instances they are job creators as well. They are not taking jobs away on a net basis, they are actually adding jobs to the economy."

Roodt warned that the consequences of xenophobia would extend well beyond a single day of disruption.

"I'm afraid the economy is going to suffer over time because of the xenophobia that we're currently experiencing in the country. That's the price we're going to pay, and it's a price that we will pay for a long time to come."

Seppuku Morpheus24 omoawake panafrican

Let me put like the average South Africa would' eh wena, We don't care!"

ArcSEMPECJ:
It really baffles me how Africans hate their fellow Africans....
What South Africa is having is a failed Government but instead of them to see and act on the truth ,they shifted the goal post ....

Go to UK, there are many migrants both lega and illegal but their Government is on top gear, they know how many to allow and how many not to allow...

Even in their labour market, they know the structures and utilize each individual that you can't hear that this person is taking our jaaaaaaab.....go beck to your countrieieyyy....

There is an illegal migrant "issue" in South Africa no doubt and you are correct, the people have been allowed to scapegoat and vent their frustrations on a majority of these economic migrants by accusing them of creating a crisis, engaging in crime, taking jobs, taking women, etc, floodding their schools e.t.c

The official number of migrants in SA stands at 5% of the population. If we were double that to 10% how does that constitute a crisis with a population of 65 million people.

They will tell you I am talking nonsense as usual.

Northsouth:
go ahead with your advocacy

My question to you is... Is it all black African foreigners they are chasing away.
Why no ask yourself first
Also, are you saying there are no legal black African foreigners and diplomats in south Africa right now.

Una just dey vex for nothing

Illegal na illegal
But una here too dey used to lawlessness no to understand lawfulness

I am not against the deportation of illegal foreigners. I am against the below


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhoUrNIgpEw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OpxNV3IEvU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TudaDGKdMRs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4499mLk--eI

Fujiyama:
^^^
No.

My point is that some of the most strident Nigerian voices on SA affairs have absolutely nothing to say about the goings on in their country, Nigeria. I just ran a casual check on one username on this thread who's very critical of SA (both people and government). He has said nothing on this PFIPC matter since the news broke. Absolutely nothing. And there'll no doubt be others like him/her on this platform. And yet there are still others who fight South Africans - and then come online to defend the indefensible about the BAT administration.

The point remains a majority of Nigerians on this forum discuss "Nigerian issues". Expecting "ALL" Nigerians to chip in on ALL problematic issues in Nigeria on a Nigerian platform defeats the objective of a diversified view of thought or interest.

We can walk and chew gum at the same time is a statement used in reference to Nigerians as a "collective" on nairaland and not individual contributions to political topics here in this forum.

Fujiyama:
Many Nigerians in SA are economic migrants. They are in the informal sector. Some are undocumented. They are largely unskilled or semi-skilled. They are not wealthy migrants arriving on business visas or FIPs. This causes all sorts of problems - and not just in South Africa.

If we get it together and Nigeria starts working (if not for all of us then at least the majority of us), then our migration story will change significantly.

I do not disagree with the above statement however trying to guilt shame a fleeing majority of mostly middle-class Nigerians who throughout the history of Nigeria have attempted in many cases to bring about change in the country and have been met with an overwhelming show of force, by accusing them of non-participation in vigorous discussions and mobilization on a Nigerian platform does not inspire me.

Many of us have already gone that route, some have given their lives, and many of are still here fighting for the Nigerian project to succeed.

Northsouth:
the country no go regret anything.
Everybody get him own country, go and build your country

Please if this is the new rhetoric, can we advocate to close the embassies as well and have them stop issuing tourist visas, study permits, work permits, spousal permits and the likes so we can draw a line in the sand and everybody face their palava?

ArcSEMPECJ:
You should hold your Government accountable for such sickness in the country than the illegal undocumented migrants ...

Is only when your country upholds such morals that you the citizens can actually breath a fresh air...

Soon, you will see that your enemies are not the illegal migrants but your Government...

Meanwhile, hope you are reinforcing to chase away the Whites that have enslaved you for years before the Africans you are chasing away came to rescue you all

My brother please stop reminding them of this. They don't care at this point. They will say you are blackmailing them into PAN AFRICANISM.

Kobojunkie:
2. The programs, again, have been around since 1917. It does not constitute cheap labor as you claim as their is nothing cheap about a worker getting paid at least minimum wage same as every other worker out there. Labor is labor so long as it is paid at minimum market value.

What are you on about here yourself. If the these programs have been on since the 1917 and the guest workers are being paid minimum wage, why are there a mass amount of illegal immigrants working in those industries and not "guest workers"?

Kobojunkie:
Also, your claim was that illegal immigrants are the backbone of the U.S agricultural sector is unfounded,and we both know that is just propaganda and nothing more. The U.S does not support or sanction slave labor, even within its borders.

3. The Government no longer wants illegal immigrants within its border, regardless of the ridiculous claims they hold. It is that simple!

I still don't know what you are on about yourself. Trump had to pull back on enforcing a mass action on "farm workers" because a majority of them were illegal workers. Why did he do that?

WatchYourSix:
Thats the problem with yall….. everyone is not a criminal… if u were not too blinded by hate, u would have seen that…
im only pointing out an obvious fact…. A man in a car is catching fun and Yall are already threatening fire and brimstone assuming he is a criminal..

News flash..there are southafricans in south African prison… but yall pretend every Nigerian and other foreigners are the only ones .

…trying to make all foreigners look like criminals is just convineint fallacy to cover your deficiency…… there are criminal everywhere and they are treated as criminals not attack tag everyone that looks like them as criminals

there are immigrants in Europe and many countries but their citizens are not murdering pple randomly on the street….. get a grip man..

The bolded is propaganda. I have not seen this phenomena in any other sane country in the world.

bengdededeng:
you hypocrite...you insulting Nigerians on the nairaland platform is no different from what the man did to your zulu mumu culture

When you point out that one, they will have no response to it.

Kobojunkie:
This response is balderdash!

What is balderdash about it. Elaborate?

Kobojunkie:
Wow... you really need to learn to read beyond the headlines at this point in time.

The reports literally explain that the plan is to enforce the migrant farmer programs which I posted(U.S has had a similar a program 1917 that allowed migrant workers to come into the U.S. legally, without receiving citizenship or the benefits thereof). See my previous post for link to the Government program that exists to date.

1.If they have had a "guest worker" program since 1917, why have they not been able to establish fair wages since that point in time.

2. The introduction of these "programs" you allude to does not diminish the point that these "guest" workers constitute cheap labor and thus the backbone of the agricultural sector in comparison to the situation in South Africa where the ZImbabweans also filled these roles so I am not sure what point you are trying to make at this point?